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Why did Malaysia have to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:53 pm



I'm talking about the three passenger aircraft they leased from World Airways for a duration ranging between 18 and 24 months. Were they short on capacity or were they leased to launch new routes?

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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:46 pm

PR also leased some MD-11s from World around that time, but I'm not sure if it was related to MH doing the same.
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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:50 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR also leased some MD-11s from World around that time, but I'm not sure if it was related to MH doing the same.


I remember that. PR leased amongst others the two MD-11ER with which they were able to operate MNL-YVL-EWR & MNL-LAX.
 
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Re: Why did Malaysia have to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:00 am

My guess was to provide smaller long haul capacity until their 777s arrived as DC-10s exited the fleet (or were those only regionally? Unsure). Bulk or all of their long haul flying was the 747 at the time.
 
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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:17 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR also leased some MD-11s from World around that time, but I'm not sure if it was related to MH doing the same.


I remember that. PR leased amongst others the two MD-11ER with which they were able to operate MNL-YVL-EWR & MNL-LAX.


From what I've seen in pics the planes were also used to Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong.
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Re: Why did Malaysia have to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:45 pm

Sounds like the MH MD11's lease was just a temporary solution until their 777's arrived. They were probably also used on shorter flights to Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong just to not have the airplanes sitting idle doing nothing between their long haul operations. Just my guess(?)

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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:20 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR also leased some MD-11s from World around that time, but I'm not sure if it was related to MH doing the same.


I remember that. PR leased amongst others the two MD-11ER with which they were able to operate MNL-YVL-EWR & MNL-LAX.


The reasoning for that was, back in the 90s, the Philippines was downgraded to Category 2 by the FAA, thus PAL couldn't fly their own metal for new services to the USA. PR could still fly the 747 to the States, but only to HNL, LAX and SFO on existing frequencies. The World Airways lease was one of the ways they got around it IIRC.
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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:45 am

Philippine747 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR also leased some MD-11s from World around that time, but I'm not sure if it was related to MH doing the same.


I remember that. PR leased amongst others the two MD-11ER with which they were able to operate MNL-YVL-EWR & MNL-LAX.


The reasoning for that was, back in the 90s, the Philippines was downgraded to Category 2 by the FAA, thus PAL couldn't fly their own metal for new services to the USA. PR could still fly the 747 to the States, but only to HNL, LAX and SFO on existing frequencies. The World Airways lease was one of the ways they got around it IIRC.

I've heard of that, but it doesn't explain why the planes were also used on non-US routes, like for example flights to HKG/SIN/Australia (based on the pics that I've seen online).
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Re: Why did Malaysia had to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:00 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

I remember that. PR leased amongst others the two MD-11ER with which they were able to operate MNL-YVL-EWR & MNL-LAX.


The reasoning for that was, back in the 90s, the Philippines was downgraded to Category 2 by the FAA, thus PAL couldn't fly their own metal for new services to the USA. PR could still fly the 747 to the States, but only to HNL, LAX and SFO on existing frequencies. The World Airways lease was one of the ways they got around it IIRC.

I've heard of that, but it doesn't explain why the planes were also used on non-US routes, like for example flights to HKG/SIN/Australia (based on the pics that I've seen online).

When you have the planes on property you probably want to utilise them to the best you can instead of sitting around earning no money during the day

I guess what's the rationale behind regional flights - and probably the Australia flights as well.

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Re: Why did Malaysia have to lease MD-11s during the 1990s?

Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:00 pm

A388 wrote:
Sounds like the MH MD11's lease was just a temporary solution until their 777's arrived. They were probably also used on shorter flights to Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong just to not have the airplanes sitting idle doing nothing between their long haul operations. Just my guess(?)

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MH MD11 were used as mid size long haul aircraft before 777 arrived, they have used it on KCH-NRT and also uses them on KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE, most other long haul service with MH at the time, were 744 though
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