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Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:48 pm

Autumn greetings everyone. Welcome to the October thread

TK787 asked me to get this month's thread started.

I will kick it off with a link to new 56 minute movie (in English) about the design and construction of the new Istanbul Airport. I found it pretty interesting.

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https://youtu.be/vU1fK6eRr1I


In other events:

o TK 13th and 14th 787 are getting ready for delivery from Everett. Pretty amazing how fast the fleet has grown since first service entry July 2019.

o TK also published its updated W20 international schedule. Will be operating back to 91 medium/longhaul markets. Let see if pandemic events will allow many of these markets to indeed be operated

o Statistics show TK Cargo was the worlds fastest growing cargo airline for the first 6 months of 2020 with tonnage up 67%, and TK carrying nearly 5% of global air freight volume.

o As posted last month long time charter operator Freebird is entering the scheduled service arena this winter with service from 15 German cities, expanding to additional European markets next summer. This largely appears to be seat only sales on what were previous charter routes.

o Pegasus commenced service to ever more distant lands with service to Karachi Pakistan 4x weekly launched on September 25th. Flights are timed to connect from host of European markets especially UK markets of London and Manchester.

o Meanwhile Pegasus CEO has called on governments to fund preflight COVID testing as part of national health programs as otherwise, it threatens the democratization of air travel as only the more affluent that can afford to pay for the test themselves will fly.


Wishing everyone a safe and healthy month !


For the record, month’s thread is below:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1451155
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:33 pm

Is there enough room for more operators on Germany-Turkey flights in a Covid19 world, whatwith TK,Pegasus,SunExpress, Corendon, Onur Air already playing the field and with demand historically down? Yes,of course during the summer there will be,if worldwide covid conditions allow it, demand for holiday flights to Turkey but not on the 2019 levels..And lets not forget that Condor,Eurowings and LH offer flights too..
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:46 pm

Thanks for the new thread "LAXintl" :)
It is in fact an impressive documentary, I've seen it before. Still, crazy to be able to finish in such a short time and moving from Ataturk without a hitch.
 
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Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:07 pm

Hi alll,
I saw a news at Tolga Ozbek web page and claims that first 2 A359 will be delivered on October 21 and 23rd
An other note is that A332 fleet is now 14 which is close to initial planned 13 for end of 2020
Do you see any economical feasible way to get rid of leased 332s and some leased 333 (ex wow birds etc)
An other question is what will be future of 5 A332 er s (jna.jne), are they really needed any more? They are around 16years age and a340 fleet started to be retired at same age?
 
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Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 pm

Can't wait :)
They look beautiful.

 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:26 am

Thanks for a new thread LAXintl Looks like both 13th and 14th 787 for TK are on the way to IST https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6832/25a627d8 TC-LLO and https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6830/25a654e6 TC-LLN
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:08 pm

TK773ER wrote:
Thanks for a new thread LAXintl Looks like both 13th and 14th 787 for TK are on the way to IST

It is about time, don't you think??
I wonder if TK will try to take more of the 787s/350s instead of postponing the deliveries; and get rid of some of the 330s.
TK seems to like the 787s for pax routes to N.America and Asia, using few 77Ws for trunk pax routes, the rest is Cargo and parked most of the 330 fleet seems like it.
Similar situation with the MAXs. Finally things are looking UP in that front, even the FAA chief flew one himself yesterday. It could be very possible to see TK MAX's in the air by the end of the year. With more MAXs and 321NEOs, we might see early retirement for single aisle aircraft also.
Again, all this is only be possible with the arrival of a successful vaccine for the virus.
Maybe some sort of improvement by next late Spring, early summer?

-By the way, looking at an early Nov JFK-IST flight, I see that in Nov. TK is planning to go 2 x D, let's hope so, fingers crossed.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:59 pm

LAXintl wrote:
I will kick it off with a link to new 56 minute movie (in English) about the design and construction of the new Istanbul Airport. I found it pretty interesting.

An airport being a "monument of victory"? Last I checked an airport is infrastructure to enable flights. :roll: Only in Turkey I guess. Ridiculous political propaganda. Seriously, which respectable airport operator includes frames like this in a documentary?
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:24 pm

Turkey has been added to UK's quarantine list as of this Saturday Oct 3rd. Apparently Turkey has been under reporting the numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54376357
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:34 pm

767Forever wrote:
Turkey has been added to UK's quarantine list as of this Saturday Oct 3rd. Apparently Turkey has been under reporting the numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54376357


The articles states that the UK gov has signs that Turkey is under reporting. I wonder what the signs or evidences are. Because this is something serious.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:44 pm

TK has extended the Miles&Smiles status expiration date for 1 more year. Was informed today by email. Finally some great news from TK.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:21 pm

Both TK and Pegasus suspended flights to Iran until OCT4, due to rise of infection numbers there.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:32 pm

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
767Forever wrote:
Turkey has been added to UK's quarantine list as of this Saturday Oct 3rd. Apparently Turkey has been under reporting the numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54376357


The articles states that the UK gov has signs that Turkey is under reporting. I wonder what the signs or evidences are. Because this is something serious.

What is at least suspicious is the amount of deaths. In September Turkey reported fewer infections than i.e. The UK, The Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy yet there are (many) more deaths. The reported infection/death ratio is the worst out of all European countries. Either the reporting is very off or there are healthcare related reasons.
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:31 am

So I connected once through the old airport. Is the new airport closer or further from the city center? Also what is happening with the old airport? Is the space being used to do something new? Apartments, a park?
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:20 am

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So I connected once through the old airport. Is the new airport closer or further from the city center? Also what is happening with the old airport? Is the space being used to do something new? Apartments, a park?

Where have you been??? :)
Let me try...... the new airport, IST, is North of the city, pretty much in the middle of nowhere, it is a bit farther to the city center but things are improving and a new metro line is in works. It has been open for more than year and a half. The old airport, now ISL, is still open with one runway still serving Cargo ops, till the new Cargo center is functional at the new airport. It is crazy but on top of the two other runways at the old airport, a COVID hospital has been built. Not sure what else is going to be built at the old airport.
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:34 am

Map of Istanbul airports

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Part of ISL has already turned into a hospital

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Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:38 am

I feel we are entering a dark autumn and likely a rather terrible winter for airlines especially here in Europe.

UK placing Turkey on quarantine is interesting as UK own criteria measurements published 30 September rank Turkey quite well compared to others in Europe.

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Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:27 am

TK787 wrote:
TK773ER wrote:
Thanks for a new thread LAXintl Looks like both 13th and 14th 787 for TK are on the way to IST

It is about time, don't you think??
I wonder if TK will try to take more of the 787s/350s instead of postponing the deliveries; and get rid of some of the 330s.

I totally agree i personally think the 15th 787 will arrive this year together with maybe 2 A350 the rest will slowly trickle into the new year, Speaking of new year TK is delaying yet again Newark / Vancouver service to Jan 2021
Turkish Airlines as of 01OCT20 further postpones planned service for Newark and Vancouver, previously scheduled from late-November and early-December 2020. Latest tentative launch date for both destinations has been re-scheduled to 01JAN21 and 03JAN21 respectively, although further changes remain likely.

Istanbul – Newark eff 01JAN21 1 daily A330-300
TK029 IST1850 – 2220EWR 333 D
TK030 EWR0015 – 1810IST 333 D

Istanbul – Vancouver eff 03JAN21 3 weekly 787-9
TK075 IST1530 – 1635YVR 789 247
TK076 YVR1805 – 1635+1IST 789 247

January 1 for Newark https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -jan-2021/
Lets see what eventuates.
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:52 am

mercure1 wrote:
UK placing Turkey on quarantine is interesting as UK own criteria measurements published 30 September rank Turkey quite well compared to others in Europe.

The problem is Turkey cannot be ranked at all because they don’t publish comparable data and instead only report ‘patients’, leaving out confirmed cases who are not a ‘patient’ (yet these are included in the numbers of every other country). The UK has now apparently figured this out.

Health minister Fahrettin Koca said the the word “patients” means those who had tested positive and had symptoms of coronavirus - but those who tested positive and had no symptoms, were not included in the table.

He said in a press conference that "not every case is a patient," explaining: “Because there are people who receive a positive test result but show no symptoms. These [cases] make up the vast majority.”


https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/1282036 ... uarantine/
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:28 am

Jetty wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
I will kick it off with a link to new 56 minute movie (in English) about the design and construction of the new Istanbul Airport. I found it pretty interesting.

An airport being a "monument of victory"? Last I checked an airport is infrastructure to enable flights. :roll: Only in Turkey I guess. Ridiculous political propaganda. Seriously, which respectable airport operator includes frames like this in a documentary?
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I agree, this wording supports the message "everybody is against us and jealous", particularly in a country where terminals and airports are many peoples' last concerns...; a bit contradictory also to their confession having forgotten the metro station which as a result is not within the terminal but a bit outside...

Another topic: now as Boeing stops 787 production in Everett, I guess we can expect some frames from Charleston to join TK fleet?
 
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:04 pm

I don't want to underestimate the fact that New Istanbul Airport has been constructed within a record time period. However, some facts have been deliberately twisted and some pink lies have been freely told. To recapitulate:
1) The B.O.T.S. Tender was finalised some time in late April 2013. The winning party (i.e. the IGA Consortium) started earth leveling process by Autumn 2013. Doesn't his openly mean the starting date for the overall construction?
2) The foundation ceremony of the current Terminal Building took place on late June 2014. In this event Mr. Tayyip Erdoğan (being the PM at that time period) was present.
3) The State officially handed over the entire landsite (76.5 km2) to IGA only by 01.05.2015. These 42 months started "counting" only from that date onwards. At the said date, part of the Terminal's body was already observable.
4) The facility (Terminal, 2 runway sets, ATC Tower, Fuel Farm and some other support facilities) were officially opened on 29.10.2018, exactly afterv42 months. However this was only a soft opening and only limited number of flights took place until 06.04.2019, when almost the entire Ataturk Airport passenger facilities were moved to the New facility. During this 5 months' period I went there 6 times: 3 times as a visitor only on the landside and 3 times to fly out (domestic). There were a lot of missing things inside the terminal. Some of these could be completed only after April 6th big move! There were even some lacking facilities inside the terminal, after the soft opening that could have endangered security.

So, don't believe blindly to everything written out... :(
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:06 pm

mafaky wrote:
I don't want to underestimate the fact that New Istanbul Airport has been constructed within a record time period. However, some facts have been deliberately twisted and some pink lies have been freely told.

If we go with those numbers, it was completed in 68 months as opposed to the advertised 42 months. I am still impressed with that :)
I am even more impressed with the whole "Migration" from Ataturk to IST in a matter of hours. Close down a 60+M pax capacity airport and move everything overnight to a brand new one. Wow!!
I admit, I was the one, here on these threads, saying: " Personally, I will not go near IST for many months till they get things sorted out. I would rather fly to somewhere in Europe to fly to SAW instead" I did not trust them and I was wrong. I ended up flying out of the new airport 9 days after it opened and it was fine.
That is why I tend to be less critical when I can, which is pretty hard :) I am just a couch aviation enthusiasts :)
 
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Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:57 pm

Jetty wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
I will kick it off with a link to new 56 minute movie (in English) about the design and construction of the new Istanbul Airport. I found it pretty interesting.

An airport being a "monument of victory"? Last I checked an airport is infrastructure to enable flights. :roll: Only in Turkey I guess. Ridiculous political propaganda. Seriously, which respectable airport operator includes frames like this in a documentary?
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It comes with the territory but do what the rest of us do and smile/laugh and move on. These projects always are used in this way not just in Turkey either. It still does not take away from the fact its an impressive infrastructure project and having been through it 4 times since opening despite some issues including some rushed corner cutting on the attention to detail its a great facility.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:19 am

One last complaint I heard about the TK Business Class experience was they were not handing out Amenity Kits either. Is this a one off, or anyone else can confirm this is the new norm? Thank you.
On another unrelated personal news, I bought yet another ticket for next year :) I am going to try out the new DL Business Class Suites on the 330-900NEO.
 
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:56 pm

It surprises me that KLM operates two flights to İstanbul on every Thursday and Sunday, they used to fly once a day, while years ago they served İstanbul twice day. Now it’s 9 flights a week. Is there really a demand? Or is KL just operating these flights to keep their blue birds in the sky? Does anyone have load factors for AMS - IST?
 
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:53 pm

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
It surprises me that KLM operates two flights to İstanbul on every Thursday and Sunday, they used to fly once a day, while years ago they served İstanbul twice day. Now it’s 9 flights a week. Is there really a demand? Or is KL just operating these flights to keep their blue birds in the sky? Does anyone have load factors for AMS - IST?


i took the thursday earlier flight and it was full . a passenger flying with us had to take the other flight and it was also full.

keep in mind that during covid i think even till now KLM and Air France were the only airlines selling flights out of Colombia twice or once x week they were branded and sold as humanitarian so a lot of us were connecting through Amsterdam and Istanbul to the middle east
 
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:15 pm

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
It surprises me that KLM operates two flights to İstanbul on every Thursday and Sunday, they used to fly once a day, while years ago they served İstanbul twice day. Now it’s 9 flights a week. Is there really a demand? Or is KL just operating these flights to keep their blue birds in the sky? Does anyone have load factors for AMS - IST?


Netherlands to IST market is very large, KLM only operated once a week last year but was codesharing on Atlasglobal and Pegasus.
Atlasglobal used to send their A330 from times to times, must have been due to the demand!
Probably a good market for double daily post-Covid for KLM!
 
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One last complaint I heard about the TK Business Class experience was they were not handing out Amenity Kits either. Is this a one off, or anyone else can confirm this is the new norm? Thank you.
On another unrelated personal news, I bought yet another ticket for next year :) I am going to try out the new DL Business Class Suites on the 330-900NEO.


I can confirm that no amenity kits is part of the new TK norm (for the time being).
 
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:31 pm

TK787 wrote:
One last complaint I heard about the TK Business Class experience was they were not handing out Amenity Kits either. Is this a one off, or anyone else can confirm this is the new norm? Thank you.
On another unrelated personal news, I bought yet another ticket for next year :) I am going to try out the new DL Business Class Suites on the 330-900NEO.



B/C kits will start loading next week. I am not sure exact date may be earlier but no later than next week.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:36 am

A330Inter wrote:
OTTOMANAIR wrote:
It surprises me that KLM operates two flights to İstanbul on every Thursday and Sunday, they used to fly once a day, while years ago they served İstanbul twice day. Now it’s 9 flights a week. Is there really a demand? Or is KL just operating these flights to keep their blue birds in the sky? Does anyone have load factors for AMS - IST?


Netherlands to IST market is very large, KLM only operated once a week last year but was codesharing on Atlasglobal and Pegasus.
Atlasglobal used to send their A330 from times to times, must have been due to the demand!
Probably a good market for double daily post-Covid for KLM!


I assume KLM operated a daily flight to IST when KK was still around. Because KLM didn’t down gauge to a weekly flight to IST. KK was operating twice daily flights to Amsterdam during high season. But it surprises me that KL is operating two daily flights on those particular days during these hard covid days.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:37 am

MeCe wrote:
TK787 wrote:
One last complaint I heard about the TK Business Class experience was they were not handing out Amenity Kits either. Is this a one off, or anyone else can confirm this is the new norm? Thank you.
On another unrelated personal news, I bought yet another ticket for next year :) I am going to try out the new DL Business Class Suites on the 330-900NEO.



B/C kits will start loading next week. I am not sure exact date may be earlier but no later than next week.


Are business class meals/service coming back next week?
 
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B/C kits will start loading next week. I am not sure exact date may be earlier but no later than next week.

Are business class meals/service coming back next week?[/quote]

I'm afraid that will be a pre-mature wishful thinking as far as Business Class full meal servicing is concerned... :? :banghead:
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:10 pm

When can business class service be expected to get back to normal? The risks will not disappear overnight after the vaccine will be introduced. So what is it going to be? Vaccine roll-out + a month, two, three, half a year? I wholeheartedly support the security limitations, but isn't there a solution, allowing both serving food/amenities and being safe?
 
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uzzzer wrote:
When can business class service be expected to get back to normal? The risks will not disappear overnight after the vaccine will be introduced. So what is it going to be? Vaccine roll-out + a month, two, three, half a year? I wholeheartedly support the security limitations, but isn't there a solution, allowing both serving food/amenities and being safe?

I personally don't think it is a huge issue if everything will be desinfected properly. All in all it is very good news.
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:32 pm

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
MeCe wrote:
TK787 wrote:
One last complaint I heard about the TK Business Class experience was they were not handing out Amenity Kits either. Is this a one off, or anyone else can confirm this is the new norm? Thank you.
On another unrelated personal news, I bought yet another ticket for next year :) I am going to try out the new DL Business Class Suites on the 330-900NEO.



B/C kits will start loading next week. I am not sure exact date may be earlier but no later than next week.


Are business class meals/service coming back next week?



No, I did not hear anything about this.
 
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:01 pm

I saw in a Facebook group I am in someone posted that TK is cancelling SFO-IST flights on certain days in November? Poster was saying to make sure to not book on two specific days of the week. Is this accurate? I am looking to book NYC to IST for November. Is it likely my flight will be cancelled?
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:22 pm

Turkish Technic formally opened its first base maintenance hangar complex at IST last week. The facility with an indoor area of about 60,000 square meters is the largest in Turkey and can accommodate 3 widebody and 6 narrowbody aircraft simultaneously.
Upon completion of all phases in the TK Technic MRO complex at IST will have hangar space for 45 aircraft.

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Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:51 am

The 15th 787 for TK is ready for delivery https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:34 am

Interesting trip report for BEG-IST-HKG on TK. Besides there being 50 passengers on the B77W to HKG, I have to say that such behavior by the crew and the level of service the brand will suffer the most.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/10/tr ... grade.html
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:12 am

TK catering has hit rock bottom sadly and that was a major reason for its high ratings. Other Star carriers manage to serve that lunch box on intra EU flights so for a long haul its terrible and really no excuse for it. The sooner they realise that the better.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:14 am

As said before, the pandemic is being used as an excuse by TK to cut costs drastically, as the economy in Turkey isn't doing well, tourism is way down and business travel dried up so TK isn't doing well. However, they should find a better solution to the financial issues they're facing, if they want to keep their passengers.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:23 pm

I find it quite bizarre yet intriguing that, TK still did not announce an official aircraft retirement plan in contrast to, DL, AA, LH, and BA which are in the process of shrinking their fleet or have already shrunken the vast majority as of now.

It also makes one wonder as to, how justifiable TK's current load factors are, in order for them to still hang onto their current bloated fleet as of right now, not to mention the future heap of capacity which will progressively end up in the possession of TK's hands sooner or later. Are they anticipating a quicker recovery time compared to other operators in the industry?
Perhaps it's about time, that the airline started to evaluate the retirement of some of their elderly A320/321's and B738's as some are already in bad nick, internally. Not only will this be a beneficial factor for the airline, by annually paying less on fuel prices, but it will also steadily improve customer satisfaction. I can already foresee, TK, offering a batch or two of their B738's to the likes of Amazon, or any other freighter company for a bargain deal in this case!
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:30 pm

Maybe TK is waiting for the MAX to fly again, and it would make those single aisle retirements lot easier.
 
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:15 am

IMHO the phase-out of elderly A321s can be now organised much easier with lots of NEOs coming.
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:38 am

Aviation is such a up and down business. Knowing TK and its situation, this is not an easy decision. Traffic down close to 50% compared to 2019. But if there is a successful vaccine/distribution resulting in prolonged immunity, there could be a very sharp U-turn by next year this time and companies trying to keep personnel and equipment close by if and when that happens.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:07 pm

They survived and get out bigger from other crisis. There is still hope for turning things back to normal and they dont want catch that wave under capacity. Staff expenses was low before pandemic than signed additional agreement cuts from salaries. So, not so bad as we think.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:01 pm

TK has a 787 scheduled to operate TK1967/1968 to/from Birmingham next Monday! I was very surprised to see this.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:57 pm

TK does not need some grand announcement about fleet retirements as many are scheduled to leave anyhow as leases roll-off.
This year alone, leases on 28 aircraft were due to terminate, with more in the coming years.

Combined with lease ends and new aircraft delivery deferments, TK is quite well positioned to pivot down or up as demand requires. Combined with the recent labor agreement that will help make TK an even lower-cost operation, I see them as quite well positioned to deal with the future unknowns.
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:58 am

TC-LSE, TK's final A321neo that was in storage due to engine issues is finally back in service. Also, TC-JSK, a TK A321 that had a landing incident at the start of the year went for a test flight (?) a few days ago.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - October 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:47 am

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
A330Inter wrote:
OTTOMANAIR wrote:
It surprises me that KLM operates two flights to İstanbul on every Thursday and Sunday, they used to fly once a day, while years ago they served İstanbul twice day. Now it’s 9 flights a week. Is there really a demand? Or is KL just operating these flights to keep their blue birds in the sky? Does anyone have load factors for AMS - IST?


Netherlands to IST market is very large, KLM only operated once a week last year but was codesharing on Atlasglobal and Pegasus.
Atlasglobal used to send their A330 from times to times, must have been due to the demand!
Probably a good market for double daily post-Covid for KLM!


I assume KLM operated a daily flight to IST when KK was still around. Because KLM didn’t down gauge to a weekly flight to IST. KK was operating twice daily flights to Amsterdam during high season. But it surprises me that KL is operating two daily flights on those particular days during these hard covid days.


Loads are over 95%

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