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Re: DL parks some A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:39 pm

burnsie28 wrote:
EASA wouldn't effect the Delta aircraft, the only AD's right now on the 221 from the FAA are Cargo and accessory compartment issue and Time Limit/Maintenance checks.


Ok. Tnx for the breakdown.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:41 pm

burnsie28 wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:

Cite your source.


I found this on EASA website.

AD CF-2020-322020-09-28 Fuselage - Cracks on Aft Wing To Body FairingStructure AIRBUS CANADA LP BD-500 (A220 Series)2020-10-0953


https://ad.easa.europa.eu/search/advanc ... =pdf&r=314
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32

I'm not saying this is related to the grounding just that such an AD exists.


EASA wouldn't effect the Delta aircraft, the only AD's right now on the 221 from the FAA are Cargo and accessory compartment issue and Time Limit/Maintenance checks.


Delta has encountered the issues covered in the EASA AD and their findings likely contributed to the AD. Repairs are needed, regardless of where the FAA is on issuing their AD.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:19 pm

sxf24 wrote:
burnsie28 wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:

I found this on EASA website.



https://ad.easa.europa.eu/search/advanc ... =pdf&r=314
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32

I'm not saying this is related to the grounding just that such an AD exists.


EASA wouldn't effect the Delta aircraft, the only AD's right now on the 221 from the FAA are Cargo and accessory compartment issue and Time Limit/Maintenance checks.


Delta has encountered the issues covered in the EASA AD and their findings likely contributed to the AD. Repairs are needed, regardless of where the FAA is on issuing their AD.


It’s actually a Transport Canada AD.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:36 pm

burnsie28 wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:

Cite your source.


I found this on EASA website.

AD CF-2020-322020-09-28 Fuselage - Cracks on Aft Wing To Body FairingStructure AIRBUS CANADA LP BD-500 (A220 Series)2020-10-0953


https://ad.easa.europa.eu/search/advanc ... =pdf&r=314
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32

I'm not saying this is related to the grounding just that such an AD exists.


EASA wouldn't effect the Delta aircraft, the only AD's right now on the 221 from the FAA are Cargo and accessory compartment issue and Time Limit/Maintenance checks.

I don’t know if the AD is the reason for the grounding, but if EASA has an AD on an aircraft you can be sure the FAA has the same AD following soon after (and vice versa). The problems the AD address don’t magically depend on what jurisdiction the aircraft is operated under.
 
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Re: DL parks A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:12 pm

FlyGuyNash wrote:
Our union has a meeting tomorrow where we should find out more about our current tentative agreement for cost cutting...


I received a text earlier saying the union narrowly approved the measure. Did you hear anything? It would be a big step but there’s still a huge hurdle with furloughs especially the poor 117 and 220 crews. Their twisting in the wind.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:24 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
The parking is due to an AD related to manufacturing problems and structural cracking.


Cite your source.


I found this on EASA website.

AD CF-2020-322020-09-28 Fuselage - Cracks on Aft Wing To Body FairingStructure AIRBUS CANADA LP BD-500 (A220 Series)2020-10-0953


https://ad.easa.europa.eu/search/advanc ... =pdf&r=314
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32

I'm not saying this is related to the grounding just that such an AD exists.

Thank you for the links! The 2nd link has the details.
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32


The AD becomes effective 850 flight hours or by 4850 total flight hours.

Looking up DL 717s
https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Del ... ve-csr.htm

Registration, hours, date, estimated hours at 8.5 hours/day today

101DU 4025 hours on 8/20 4382 est hours
102DU 2054 hours on 9/15 2199
103DU 3469 hours on 3/23 (5101 might be grounded)
104DU 4147 hours on 8/14 4555
105DU 3378 hours on 6/17 4279
107DU3650 hours on 8/20 4007
108DQ 3040 hours on 7/8 2763

These aren't grounded on the AD, yet. Only 1 has enough hours it could be on 10/16.

Lightsaber

Just to be clear, the AD gives plenty of time.

Only one DL A220 I could find *might* be impacted.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:35 am

This topic is about parked A220s.
Discuss Deltas pilot union contract elsewhere.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:05 am

I've been able to fly Delta's A220 twice now. Such a cool aircraft!
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:32 am

sxf24 wrote:
The parking is due to an AD related to manufacturing problems and structural cracking.


This is not the case. The AD you mentioned has already been addressed by DL on all the A220 aircraft by replacing the intercostals with an improved part. All current DL aircraft have already been modified. The replacement takes about 48 hours.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:05 pm

B757Forever wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
The parking is due to an AD related to manufacturing problems and structural cracking.


This is not the case. The AD you mentioned has already been addressed by DL on all the A220 aircraft by replacing the intercostals with an improved part. All current DL aircraft have already been modified. The replacement takes about 48 hours.


There are a lot of folks in the regulatory and technical part of the world that believe differently. I’m hearing the parts Delta made and installed address another issue.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:24 pm

Call my pessimistic but I think this has to do with staffing. A lot of pilots probably cascaded down to the A220 in the October bids as they couldn't hold a line on a higher aircraft, but they aren't trained on the A220 yet. Delta doesn't want to drastically ramp up training at a time like this so its easier to park part of the fleet while the people who have fallen down to the A220 get trained.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:48 pm

sxf24 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
The parking is due to an AD related to manufacturing problems and structural cracking.


This is not the case. The AD you mentioned has already been addressed by DL on all the A220 aircraft by replacing the intercostals with an improved part. All current DL aircraft have already been modified. The replacement takes about 48 hours.


There are a lot of folks in the regulatory and technical part of the world that believe differently. I’m hearing the parts Delta made and installed address another issue.
Regardless, the aircraft are not being parked because of any regulatory reason.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:08 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
I found this on EASA website.
AD CF-2020-322020-09-28 Fuselage - Cracks on Aft Wing To Body FairingStructure AIRBUS CANADA LP BD-500 (A220 Series)2020-10-0953

Thank you for the links! The 2nd link has the details.
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/CF-2020-32

The AD becomes effective 850 flight hours or by 4850 total flight hours. X

Registration, hours, date, estimated hours at 8.5 hours/day today
101DU 4025 hours on 8/20 4382 est hours
102DU 2054 hours on 9/15 2199
etc

Er.... Aren't Delta's A220's all "Group B"?
So we're looking at;
For aeroplanes with 1200 hours total air time or more accumulated as of the effective date of this AD
{Action} Within 500 hours air time from the effective date of this AD {Oct 9th}

and
For aeroplanes with less than 1200 hours total air time accumulated as of the effective date of this AD
{Action} Within 850 hours air time from the effective date of this AD


That is almost the same as what you wrote, but excludes ANY reference to 4850 total hours.

Hence it comes down to within ~60 days (500hrs @ 8.5hrs/day?) from 9th October for most or all of the Delta A220s
(Could there be a couple with less than 1200 hrs TT because they were delivered shortly before lockdown, and didn't see heavy usage?)

Feel free to tell me I'm reading this all wrong! :scratchchin:
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:16 am

sxf24 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
The parking is due to an AD related to manufacturing problems and structural cracking.


This is not the case. The AD you mentioned has already been addressed by DL on all the A220 aircraft by replacing the intercostals with an improved part. All current DL aircraft have already been modified. The replacement takes about 48 hours.


There are a lot of folks in the regulatory and technical part of the world that believe differently. I’m hearing the parts Delta made and installed address another issue.


What you heard is incorrect. The longerons Delta replaced were to address this exact issue. The A220 parking is a pilot staffing issue.
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:30 pm

Revelation wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
I think that last CRJ-200 will be taking all the crews back to SLC too. It's only scheduled to be on the ground for 30 minutes.

Maybe the old aviation meme will finally become true!

Airbuser wrote:
The cost of parking airplanes is amazing. Pilots awaiting training are still getting paid. At my airline I have a mate that has not set foot on an airplane since February and is awaiting training since his plane is in a desert somewhere. He is actually making more money now due to contract. He is supposed to go to training on his new plane in November but that will be pushed back because of unforeseen training backlogs. Broken simulators, no check airmen, and pilots needing more training than the bare minimum cause massive delays. I once had a simulator break and that gave me almost two months off before they could get me back to training.

Juan Brown from Blancolario channel on u2b says he got trained for a plane he never flew in revenue service, since by the time he got scheduled for and finished his training there was another displacement bid and he got bumped off it and on to a third type.

I know multiple guys who were displaced into a second aircraft and awarded a bid for aircraft number three while in training for the one they were displaced into.


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Re: DL parks some A220s

Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:36 pm

How many A220 remain parked?

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Re: DL parks some A220s

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:40 pm

lightsaber wrote:
How many A220 remain parked?

Lightsaber


According to Planespotters 13 A220's are parked 12 A220-100's and 1 A220-300.
 
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Re: DL parks some A220s

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:47 pm

I saw a A220 parked in the middle apron of the removed gates at LGA terminal D during the morning non-existent rush.

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