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Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:52 pm

Southwest Airlines will be adding Detroit-Houston Hobby Nonstops effective 03/11/2021


DTW-HOU Flight 5197 7:30AM 10:00AM Nonstop
HOU-DTW Flight 5812 6:35PM 11:00PM Nonstop
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:35 pm

They’ve added a bunch of longer hub-outstation stuff during COVID. Hopefully some of it sticks.
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:45 pm

Kind of big for WN/DTW though, as they really have done zippo with that station for what seems like decades
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:57 pm

Spirit is on the city pair already so there can be some competitive fares but WN will be a nice add.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:28 am

Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:18 am

Does this really need a new thread over the Southwest Network Thread?

There have been a ton of new routes coming available and being discussed there.

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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:35 am

Isn’t that city pair also known as the Lee Greenwood Express, along with JFK-LAX?
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:09 pm

737max8 wrote:
Does this really need a new thread over the Southwest Network Thread?

There have been a ton of new routes coming available and being discussed there.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437991&start=450

Not every thread needs to be merged into a mega thread.

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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:43 pm

Well they plan on adding a weekly BOI-GEG in March. Guess I'll make a separate thread for that, too..... I hate mega threads as much as threads for each route that's maybe going to operate lol. Site blows now...
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:14 pm

Wow, WN is filling a lot of holes in their Houston network.

This winter, Southwest will add ONT and resume SNA, filling out their SoCal profile. Then, there's the recently announced HOU-CVG and HOU-DTW. Definitely makes them very competitive against UA for Houston based travelers.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:09 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:46 pm

ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter.


You think so? DL doesn't serve any Texas destinations other than DFW, IAH, AUS and SAT from DTW. I've lived here most of the past thirty years and never recall anybody say they were going to TX beaches in winter. MCO, MIA, TPA, SRQ, RSW - sure. Harlingen was always from MSP, right?
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter.


You think so? DL doesn't serve any Texas destinations other than DFW, IAH, AUS and SAT from DTW. I've lived here most of the past thirty years and never recall anybody say they were going to TX beaches in winter. MCO, MIA, TPA, SRQ, RSW - sure. Harlingen was always from MSP, right?


I used to go to the Valley with some frequency and, just anecdotally, you run into a lot more people from Minnesota, North Dakota, and South Dakota than the eastern part of the Midwest.
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:52 am

ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.


Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:19 am

LH658 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.


Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?


Maybe for those who cant afford Florida beaches LOL, otherwise never heard of anyone to Texas for this
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:33 am

This add seems well timed for international connections. People may not be thinking big enough. This could be an option for DTW-Mexico/Belize/Caribbean connections that will fight for DL passengers.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:09 am

Why does Delta fly MSP to HRL?
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:39 am

LH658 wrote:
Why does Delta fly MSP to HRL?


Because they felt they could make a profit.

SY has flown it for some time and DL came along with a CR9 to pick off a few more passengers on the route.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:23 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter.


You think so? DL doesn't serve any Texas destinations other than DFW, IAH, AUS and SAT from DTW. I've lived here most of the past thirty years and never recall anybody say they were going to TX beaches in winter. MCO, MIA, TPA, SRQ, RSW - sure. Harlingen was always from MSP, right?


I'm aware of a number of Michiganders that winter on South Padre Island.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:33 pm

Lot less going to Galveston because of cruise lines being stuck at port.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:08 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Why does Delta fly MSP to HRL?


Because they felt they could make a profit.

SY has flown it for some time and DL came along with a CR9 to pick off a few more passengers on the route.


DL started with a mix of A320s/A319s the first year of service to HRL in 2013, then the next winter dropped to Endeavor CRJ900s. The loads were supposedly good. I read locally that DL was dropping seasonal routes because of COVID. Maybe due to an older market (retirees) and the high rate of transmission of COVID, they decided to forgo this year.

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/loca ... harlingen/
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:01 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
You think so? DL doesn't serve any Texas destinations other than DFW, IAH, AUS and SAT from DTW. I've lived here most of the past thirty years and never recall anybody say they were going to TX beaches in winter. MCO, MIA, TPA, SRQ, RSW - sure. Harlingen was always from MSP, right?


I spent a lot of time in Galveston growing up, and there were a surprising number of Michigan plates on the road in the winter/spring months.

FWIW they're still operating to CUN/SJD/PVR from HOU so presumably connections to Mexico would also be available if the DTW flights are timed correctly.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:37 pm

LH658 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.


Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?


The beach at Galveston is surprisingly clean, with clear water. This is due a ocean winds phenomena, previously were going east and bringing in sediments from the Trinity and Mississippi rivers. This will last a few years.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:42 pm

I think this is just a simple play to market itching to travel.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:59 pm

It also may simply be that WN has been reluctant to add DTW-HOU over the years simply because they assumed DL would retaliate. This is likely one of those routes that has enough traffic to justify, but not if the market is flooded with capacity.

In the Covid era, retaliation may be less of a threat so WN decided now is the time to finally make the add.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:05 pm

hohd wrote:
LH658 wrote:
ScottB wrote:

Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.


Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?


The beach at Galveston is surprisingly clean, with clear water. This is due a ocean winds phenomena, previously were going east and bringing in sediments from the Trinity and Mississippi rivers. This will last a few years.


When did you last go to Galveston?
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:42 pm

kavok wrote:
It also may simply be that WN has been reluctant to add DTW-HOU over the years simply because they assumed DL would retaliate. This is likely one of those routes that has enough traffic to justify, but not if the market is flooded with capacity.

In the Covid era, retaliation may be less of a threat so WN decided now is the time to finally make the add.


Hopefully we will see more diversity in the Detroit market that carriers see Delta as less of a threat. So far we've gotten B6 to JFK and WN to HOU.
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:04 pm

LH658 wrote:
hohd wrote:
LH658 wrote:

Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?


The beach at Galveston is surprisingly clean, with clear water. This is due a ocean winds phenomena, previously were going east and bringing in sediments from the Trinity and Mississippi rivers. This will last a few years.


When did you last go to Galveston?

About two months ago
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:13 pm

hohd wrote:
LH658 wrote:
hohd wrote:

The beach at Galveston is surprisingly clean, with clear water. This is due a ocean winds phenomena, previously were going east and bringing in sediments from the Trinity and Mississippi rivers. This will last a few years.


When did you last go to Galveston?

About two months ago


I was there last week. The only thing that stood out was the massive numbers of Jellyfish, not really how clean or dirty it is.

Its not a very nice beach. I would take anywhere South of Corpus than it. The Gulf Coast of MS, AL, and FL is also a lot better.
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:33 pm

LH658 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Makes sense to give it a try. WN has a lot of capacity to redeploy off of some of their business heavy routes so routes like this now become more willing for them to try in the current environment.


Plus Texas is reasonably popular with Michiganders in the winter. There's something approximating a beach in Galveston and connections are available at HOU to CRP & HRL.


Have you seen the beach at Galveston lol?


Ha! I remember getting a tarball in my swimsuit there many years ago. It was not a pleasurable experience to remove.
 
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Re: Southwest adds DTW-HOU effective 3/11/21

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:00 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
hohd wrote:
LH658 wrote:

When did you last go to Galveston?

About two months ago


I was there last week. The only thing that stood out was the massive numbers of Jellyfish, not really how clean or dirty it is.

Its not a very nice beach. I would take anywhere South of Corpus than it. The Gulf Coast of MS, AL, and FL is also a lot better.


Ditto, the farther you are from the Mississippi River Delta, the better the water quality. South Padre is much much more desirable than Galveston. I call that the carcinogenic coast.

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