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End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:54 pm

I read in the "Air France KLM Master Thread" that AF retired its last A340 on 15 October

viewtopic.php?p=22451469#p22451469 goto post 379, and read the next few posts.

I would copy over more of the posts from this Mega Thread, but i am not clever enough!! I Do not like Mega Threads as they tend to become the stomping ground of fewer and fewer posters, and the hiding place for topics of wider interest. This is in my opinion a topic that deserves its own thread, free of all other topics mixed into the Mega Thread

This brings to an end continuous operation of quad jets at AF since 1959, which started with the B707. I am sure that apart from the common fact that the first AF B707 had 4 engines as did the last A340, almost everything about the aircraft, their characteristics, operation and facilities, safety, etc evolved in a spectacular manner that could not have been predicted at the start. Also sad that the last type to retire was not the A380

The point of this thread? Just to bring to the attention of a.netters who do not frequent the AF KLM Master thread this moment of history. The number of airlines with quads in operation must be reducing quite quickly. I read elsewhere (in the A330/340 scrapping thread) that SAS is now also quad-less.

How many airlines still operate quads, I wonder, and for how long will each continue?
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:32 pm

Well if we look back at the Quads with Air France. They actually started with the DH Comet. Not sure the length of time they served with Air France, but they were in AF colours.
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:44 pm

Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

To answer your question, there are still quite a few airlines that fly quads:
- Korean still flies the 747-8i and the A380.
- Air China still flies the 747-8i.
- Lufthansa still flies the 747-8i and the A340 (not sure about the A343 but at least the A346 they still fly). Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- BA just retired the 747 but still flies the A380. Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.
- Air Belgium has one A340.
- Iberia, I don't think they fly the A340 anymore.
- Qantas, I don' think they still fly the A380 anymore. Maybe they still do but not for long. I know they don't have 747s anymore.
- Mahan Air, I believe that they still fly the Classic 747 and the A340. They are probably the only airline in the world to still fly Classic 747s.

And yes, now that at Air France the A340 is leaving, they now have a quad free fleet. So is KLM. Air France started flying the 707 in 1959 and KLM started flying the DC-8 not long after that. End of an era at Air France / KLM.
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:47 pm

American 767 wrote:
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.


Minor quibble. Rossiya does fly 747s however they did not get them from BA. The 744s have been in their fleet since 2016 (?)
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:56 pm

American 767 wrote:
Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

To answer your question, there are still quite a few airlines that fly quads:
- Korean still flies the 747-8i and the A380.
- Air China still flies the 747-8i.
- Lufthansa still flies the 747-8i and the A340 (not sure about the A343 but at least the A346 they still fly). Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- BA just retired the 747 but still flies the A380. Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.
- Air Belgium has one A340.
- Iberia, I don't think they fly the A340 anymore.
- Qantas, I don' think they still fly the A380 anymore. Maybe they still do but not for long. I know they don't have 747s anymore.
- Mahan Air, I believe that they still fly the Classic 747 and the A340. They are probably the only airline in the world to still fly Classic 747s.

And yes, now that at Air France the A340 is leaving, they now have a quad free fleet. So is KLM. Air France started flying the 707 in 1959 and KLM started flying the DC-8 not long after that. End of an era at Air France / KLM.


LH and Swiss still fly the A343 with no plans to retire them as of right now, but LH has parked some of its A346s only to be brought back if there is a sudden demand in travel,(their words)

Iberia, South African have retired their A340s

Plus Ultra has parked their A340-600s

I thought Air Belgium had 2 A340s

Conviasa, HiFly, Maleth Aerospace still fly the 340 around as well but with the 2 latter airlines being pax/cargo and cargo respectively
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:10 pm

airman99o wrote:
Well if we look back at the Quads with Air France. They actually started with the DH Comet. Not sure the length of time they served with Air France, but they were in AF colours.


Good one! Little known. The most treasured piece in my collection of airline marketing is an Air France Comet brochure, that was given to me by my Uncle Andre, who was a manager with Meccano (Dinky Toys) in Paris. My mother's best friend back home in France was married to Captain Andre Chatel of Air France, whom I believe delivered the first AF707 from Seattle. I never thought to ask to see his logbook- I hope it's preserved somewhere. Nor did I think to ask if he flew the Comet; he died in the mid 1990s. R.I.P.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:25 pm

American 767 wrote:
Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

- Lufthansa still flies the 747-8i and the A340 (not sure about the A343 but at least the A346 they still fly). Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- BA just retired the 747 but still flies the A380. Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- Qantas, I don' think they still fly the A380 anymore. Maybe they still do but not for long. I know they don't have 747s anymore.


Lufthansa will also keep the 747-400. The A346 & A380 are in long term storage and will only come back if there is an unexpected return in demand. A343 are still in service. via their CEO: https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-boeing-747-no-early-retirement/

BA expects to keep the A380: via an official statement from the airline last week https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/british-airways-says-airbus-a380-19075628

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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:34 pm

Antarius wrote:
American 767 wrote:
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.


Minor quibble. Rossiya does fly 747s however they did not get them from BA. The 744s have been in their fleet since 2016 (?)

Yeah people need to get past this idea of Rossiya geting ex BA 744s, especially considering most of the ones they were rumoured to get are now engineless in GBA/DGX etc with their cargo doors wide open and various parts missing. It was all just wishful thinking unfortunately.
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:35 pm

SQ is still flying 380s.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:05 pm

Doesn't ANA have 3 Airbus 380, Thai Airways A380 and Malaysia A380
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:57 pm

Antarius wrote:
American 767 wrote:
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.


Minor quibble. Rossiya does fly 747s however they did not get them from BA. The 744s have been in their fleet since 2016 (?)


The story of Rossiya picking up 747s from British Airways back in September was stated as untrue from British Airways.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:02 pm

No more A380 for AF?!? Well that was a big waste of money. Smh
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:07 am

I think SAS still has 3 Airbus 340-300's. But they are all being replaced by Airbus 350 soon
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:52 am

jworks158 wrote:
...Lufthansa will also keep the 747-400. The A346 & A380 are in long term storage and will only come back if there is an unexpected return in demand...


Funny thing, to keep a 744 when you have a 346. Is this a type commonality thing?
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:08 am

smithhaddon123 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
...Lufthansa will also keep the 747-400. The A346 & A380 are in long term storage and will only come back if there is an unexpected return in demand...


Funny thing, to keep a 744 when you have a 346. Is this a type commonality thing?


Agreed. And why keep the A343s going when you park A346s? Isn't the 346 preferrable?

An LH A346 in 2017 might go down as my last 4-holer flight. I hope not, but these days, it's looking very likely.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:31 am

American 767 wrote:
Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

To answer your question, there are still quite a few airlines that fly quads:
- Korean still flies the 747-8i and the A380.
- Air China still flies the 747-8i.
- Lufthansa still flies the 747-8i and the A340 (not sure about the A343 but at least the A346 they still fly). Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- BA just retired the 747 but still flies the A380. Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.
- Air Belgium has one A340.
- Iberia, I don't think they fly the A340 anymore.
- Qantas, I don' think they still fly the A380 anymore. Maybe they still do but not for long. I know they don't have 747s anymore.
- Mahan Air, I believe that they still fly the Classic 747 and the A340. They are probably the only airline in the world to still fly Classic 747s.

And yes, now that at Air France the A340 is leaving, they now have a quad free fleet. So is KLM. Air France started flying the 707 in 1959 and KLM started flying the DC-8 not long after that. End of an era at Air France / KLM.


Can add Emirates with their A380s, Qatar Airways which recently removed the A340 but still has their A380s too. China Airlines has still 4 747s.

Swiss and Edelweiss still operate A340s and Air Belgium actually has 4 A340s - not just one.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:44 am

MRYapproach wrote:
smithhaddon123 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
...Lufthansa will also keep the 747-400. The A346 & A380 are in long term storage and will only come back if there is an unexpected return in demand...


Funny thing, to keep a 744 when you have a 346. Is this a type commonality thing?


Agreed. And why keep the A343s going when you park A346s? Isn't the 346 preferrable?

An LH A346 in 2017 might go down as my last 4-holer flight. I hope not, but these days, it's looking very likely.


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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:59 am

The Comet 1A was indeed put into service for a short time, from August 1953 until the type was grounded in 1954. The first 707 was delivered in November 1959, but didn't enter service until 31 January 1960, on the PAR-IDW route.
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:38 am

airman99o wrote:
Well if we look back at the Quads with Air France. They actually started with the DH Comet. Not sure the length of time they served with Air France, but they were in AF colours.


Here is a link to the Air France Comet 1 flights. It certainly flew in the stylish AF colours across Europe and Africa.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/comet1.htm
 
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:01 am

Gangurru wrote:
airman99o wrote:
Well if we look back at the Quads with Air France. They actually started with the DH Comet. Not sure the length of time they served with Air France, but they were in AF colours.


Here is a link to the Air France Comet 1 flights. It certainly flew in the stylish AF colours across Europe and Africa.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/comet1.htm


Air France flew three Comet 1s
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:06 am

777luver wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

To answer your question, there are still quite a few airlines that fly quads:
- Air Belgium has one A340.

And yes, now that at Air France the A340 is leaving, they now have a quad free fleet. So is KLM. Air France started flying the 707 in 1959 and KLM started flying the DC-8 not long after that. End of an era at Air France / KLM.


I thought Air Belgium had 2 A340s



Air Belgium have four A340s.
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Re: End of an era - quad jets at Air France

Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:15 pm

American 767 wrote:
Yes the A340s are now becoming rare with the major airlines.

To answer your question, there are still quite a few airlines that fly quads:
- Korean still flies the 747-8i and the A380.
- Air China still flies the 747-8i.
- Lufthansa still flies the 747-8i and the A340 (not sure about the A343 but at least the A346 they still fly). Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- BA just retired the 747 but still flies the A380. Not sure how much longer they will keep the A380.
- Rossiya, some Russian airline, recently acquired 7 or 8 ex-BA 744s.
- Air Belgium has one A340.
- Iberia, I don't think they fly the A340 anymore.
- Qantas, I don' think they still fly the A380 anymore. Maybe they still do but not for long. I know they don't have 747s anymore.
- Mahan Air, I believe that they still fly the Classic 747 and the A340. They are probably the only airline in the world to still fly Classic 747s.

And yes, now that at Air France the A340 is leaving, they now have a quad free fleet. So is KLM. Air France started flying the 707 in 1959 and KLM started flying the DC-8 not long after that. End of an era at Air France / KLM.


Cubana still flies IL-96-300s, I think.

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