OAG Changes 10/20/2020:KEEP IT ROLLING (THE CANCELS);EK Suspends ATHEWR,JFKMXP,DXBSEA;UA Adds IAD-ABE/ERI/Carib,LAXSAP

enilria · Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:52 pm

FAQ

SOURCE: OAG

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2D ASU-MIA DEC 0>0.2[0]
2D GEO-JFK NOV 0.3>0.5[0.3] DEC 0.3>0.6[0] JAN 0.3>0.5[0]

3M BIM-FLL DEC 0.5>0[1.4] JAN 1.0>0.3[1.4] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.0]
3M ELH-FLL DEC 1.5>0.4[1.7] JAN 2>0.6[1.7] FEB 2>1.6[1.8]
3M EYW-FLL DEC 1.6>0.8[3] JAN 2>1.1[3] FEB 2>1.8[3]
3M EYW-MCO DEC 1.3>0.7[1.7] JAN 2>1.3[1.7] FEB 2>1.3[1.8]
3M EYW-TPA DEC 1.8>0.9[2] JAN 3>1.9[3] FEB 3>2.0[3]
3M FLL-FPO DEC 0.3>0[0.8] JAN 0.6>0.2[0.4]
3M FLL-GGT JAN 1.6>0.6[1.2] FEB 1.6>1.1[1.2]
*3M FLL-GHB JAN 0.3>0[0.4] FEB 0.3>0[0.4]
3M FLL-MCO JAN 1.8>1.1[1.9] FEB 1.8>1.4[2]
*3M FLL-MHH JAN 0.3>0[0.3] FEB 0.3>0[0.8]
3M FLL-PNS DEC 0.5>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.2[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.1]
3M FLL-TLH DEC 0.8>0.1[1.5] JAN 1.5>0.5[1.5] FEB 1.6>1.0[1.7]
3M FLL-TPA DEC 1.3>0.8[1.9] JAN 2>0.9[1.8] FEB 2>1.6[1.9]
3M HSV-MCO JAN 1.0>0.6[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.8[1.1]
3M MCO-PNS DEC 1.2>0.7[1.6] JAN 1.7>0.9[1.7] FEB 1.7>1.3[1.8]
3M NAS-TPA DEC 0.6>0.2[0.7] JAN 1.0>0.3[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.8]
3M PNS-TPA DEC 1.1>0.5[1.6] JAN 1.7>0.9[1.6] FEB 1.7>1.3[1.8]
3M TLH-TPA DEC 0.8>0[1.5] JAN 1.5>0.5[1.5] FEB 1.6>1.0[1.7]

4B ALS-DEN NOV 1.3>0.4[0.5] DEC 0.4>0[4]
4B BWI-JST NOV 1.7>0[0]
4B CEZ-DEN JAN 1.4>1.0[3]
4B CEZ-PHX JAN 0.8>0.4[1.0]
4B DEN-MCK NOV 0.8>0.4[0]
4B JST-PIT NOV 2>0[0]
4B LAX-PSP NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[0]
4B PDX-RDM DEC 1.5>0[0] JAN 1.5>2[0] FEB 1.5>2[0]

9X ACK-EWB NOV 0>0.3[0]

AA AGU-DFW NOV 0.8>1.7[2] DEC 1.5>2[1.9] JAN 1.4>2[2]
AA ALB-ORD NOV 0.2>0.7[1.6]
AA ALB-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
AA ART-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 4>5[4]
AA AUS-DFW NOV 4>5[11]
AA AVL-PHL MAR 0.8>0.6[0.9]
AA AZO-ORD NOV 0.3>0[2]
AA BDL-ORD NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA BHM-MIA MAR 1.1>1.7[1.9]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 1.6>2[2] JAN 1.9>3[2]
AA BJX-DFW NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA BMI-ORD NOV 0.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA BNA-MIA MAR 3>4[2]
AA BNA-ORD NOV 1.2>1.6[6]
AA BNA-PHL MAR 6>5[3]
AA BNA-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA BOS-ORD DEC 6>7[7]
AA BTV-PHL NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
AA BUF-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[3]
AA BWI-ORD NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
AA BWI-PHL MAR 3>2.0[3]
AA CAE-DFW NOV 0.7>1.7[3]
AA CAE-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.9]
AA CAE-PHL DEC 1.1>0.8[3]
AA CAK-PHL MAR 0.9>0.7[1.9]
AA CHA-DFW NOV 0.8>1.0[3]
AA CHS-MIA DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA CHS-PHL NOV 1.4>1.0[4]
AA CLE-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5] JAN 5>6[6]
AA CLT-FLO NOV 1.2>0[4]
AA CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]
AA CLT-HVN NOV 0.8>0[1.9]
AA CLT-IPT NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
AA CLT-ORD NOV 4>6[10]
AA CLT-PGV NOV 1.4>0[4]
AA CMH-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CMH-ORD NOV 0.4>0.7[7] JAN 6>8[8]
AA CUU-DFW NOV 0.3>1.6[2]
AA CVG-DFW NOV 2>3[5]
AA CVG-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CVG-ORD NOV 0.7>0.3[6]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA DAY-DFW NOV 1.6>2[4]
AA DAY-ORD DEC 0.4>1.9[5] JAN 1.8>3[4]
AA DAY-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[1.7]
AA DBQ-ORD NOV 0.5>0[3]
AA DCA-ORD NOV 1.9>3[8]
AA DEN-LAX NOV 1.3>1.0[2]
AA DEN-MIA DEC 1.4>1.9[1.9] JAN 1.6>2[3] MAR 1.4>1.7[1.9]
AA DFW-DRT NOV 1.2>0[2]
AA DFW-ELP NOV 4>5[7] JAN 7>8[8]
AA DFW-EVV NOV 0.4>1.2[2]
AA DFW-GDL NOV 1.1>1.4[2] JAN 1.5>2[2]
AA DFW-GSO NOV 0.5>1.5[2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 1.2>3[6] JAN 5>8[7]
AA DFW-HSV NOV 1.4>4[6] DEC 4>6[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA DFW-IAH NOV 1.9>3[10]
AA DFW-ICT NOV 2>3[5] JAN 4>5[7]
AA DFW-IND NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-JAX NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-LCH NOV 1.5>0[3]
AA DFW-LEX NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIT NOV 3>4[7]
AA DFW-MEX NOV 1.9>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA DFW-MGM NOV 1.0>1.2[3]
AA DFW-MSY NOV 3>4[9]
AA DFW-MTY NOV 0.7>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 3>5[5]
AA DFW-OKC NOV 4>5[8]
AA DFW-ORF NOV 1.2>1.7[3]
AA DFW-PBI NOV 1.8>3[3]
AA DFW-PIA MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA DFW-PNS NOV 3>4[5]
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.6>1.9[3]
AA DFW-QRO NOV 0.6>0.9[1.5]
AA DFW-RDU NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-ROW DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-SAT NOV 3>5[11]
AA DFW-SDF NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-SPI NOV 1.0>0[2]
AA DFW-TYS NOV 1.5>3[5]
AA DSM-ORD NOV 0.5>1.1[5]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 3>4[6]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 5>6[4]
AA EWR-ORD NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
AA EYW-MIA DEC 3>4[5] MAR 2>3[4]
AA FLL-ORD NOV 0.3>0.7[2.0]
AA FWA-PHL MAR 0.9>0.6[0.9]
AA GCM-MIA NOV 0.7>0.3[1.5]
AA GNV-MIA DEC 1.1>1.6[1.7] MAR 0.9>1.4[1.8]
AA GRR-ORD NOV 1.1>1.9[6]
AA GSO-MIA NOV 0.4>0.6[1.5] DEC 1.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.7]
AA GSO-PHL DEC 2>3[4]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 1.3>1.7[1.5]
AA IAH-ORD DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA IND-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA IND-ORD NOV 1.4>1.7[7]
AA ISP-PHL MAR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-PIT DEC 4>3[1.2]
AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.4>1.8[0.9]
AA LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>2[3]
AA LEX-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[2] JAN 1.5>2[3]
AA LEX-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.1] FEB 2>3[1.7] MAR 1.1>1.3[1.7]
AA LGA-MIA JAN 12>11[11]
AA LGA-ORD NOV 1.4>3[11] DEC 10>11[9]
AA MCI-MIA MAR 1.5>1.9[2]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 2>3[3]
AA MDT-PHL NOV 0.8>0.4[3]
AA MEM-MIA DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 1.8>3[4] JAN 3>4[4]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 2>3[1.8]
AA MHT-ORD NOV 1.1>1.4[2]
AA MIA-MSP DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0.2>0.5[0] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.8]
AA MIA-ORF DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA MIA-PIT MAR 2>3[3]
AA MIA-PNS DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.6>3[3]
AA MIA-POS NOV 1.5>0.6[2]
AA MIA-SAV MAR 1.6>2[1.9]
AA MIA-STL MAR 1.8>2[3]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3] MAR 1.6>3[4]
AA MIA-TPA MAR 6>7[4]
AA MIA-TYS MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MKE-ORD NOV 0.5>1.4[3]
AA MKE-PHL JAN 4>5[3]
AA MSN-ORD NOV 0.6>0.2[7]
AA MSN-PHL DEC 0.3>0.5[1.6]
AA MSP-ORD NOV 1.1>1.7[7] DEC 5>6[6] JAN 6>7[5]
AA MYR-PHL MAR 1.2>1.6[0.9]
AA OMA-ORD NOV 0.7>1.0[4]
AA OMA-PHL MAR 0.6>0.3[0.9]
AA ORD-PIA NOV 0.2>0.7[2]
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5] DEC 3>4[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA ORD-RDU NOV 0.4>0.9[4]
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
AA ORD-ROC NOV 0.2>0.7[4]
AA ORD-SAT DEC 1.7>2[1.9] JAN 2>3[2]
AA ORD-SDF NOV 0.4>0.7[5]
AA ORD-TOL DEC 1.0>1.3[3] JAN 1.6>2[3]
AA ORD-TUL DEC 0.5>0.9[3] JAN 1.2>1.4[3]
AA ORD-TVC NOV 1.6>2.0[6]
AA ORD-TYS NOV 0.2>0.5[3] DEC 2>3[3]
AA ORD-XNA NOV 0.5>0.7[5]
AA PHF-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.8]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.0>0.7[1.8] MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 4>5[4]
AA PHL-ROA NOV 0.9>0.6[0.6] DEC 0.8>1.0[1.5]
AA PHL-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
AA PHL-SAV NOV 1.5>1.2[0.8] MAR 1.4>0.9[2.0]
AA PHL-SRQ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
AA PHL-SWF NOV 0.4>0[1.7] MAR 2>1.3[3]
AA PHL-SYR NOV 1.6>1.3[3] DEC 3>4[5]
AA PHL-TYS NOV 1.1>0.6[1.2]

AC FLL-YUL NOV 1.9>1.5[4]
AC MCO-YUL NOV 1.0>0.7[2]
AC MIA-YYZ NOV 0.4>0[3]
AC PDX-YVR NOV 0.9>0.6[4]

AD FLL-VCP DEC 1.0>0.7[1.0]

AI DEL-SFO NOV 1.1>0.7[1.2] DEC 1.1>0.7[1.3] JAN 1.2>0.7[1.3] FEB 1.1>0.7[1.4] MAR 1.1>0.7[1.2]

Response to DL. "2020 The War for Reno" ???
*AS LAX-RNO JAN 1.0>1.9[0] FEB 1.0>2[0] MAR 1.0>2[0] APR 1.0>2[0] MAY 1.0>2[0] JUN 1.0>2[0]
AS LAX-STS NOV 1.9>1.3[3]

B6 ATL-BOS NOV 1.5>0.9[2]
B6 ATL-JFK NOV 1.5>1.2[3]
B6 AUA-BOS NOV 1.4>1.0[2]
B6 BDA-JFK NOV 0.4>0.1[0.6]
B6 BDL-PBI NOV 0.9>0.6[1.0]
B6 BDL-SJU NOV 0.9>0.3[2.6]
B6 BNA-BOS NOV 0.6>0.4[1.2]
B6 BOS-BUR DEC 0.4>0[1.0]
*B6 BOS-BWI DEC 1.7>0[5]
B6 BOS-CLE NOV 1.2>0.9[3]
B6 BOS-DTW NOV 1.0>0.7[2]
B6 BOS-JFK NOV 3>2[4]
B6 BOS-LAX MAY 4>5[3] JUN 2>3[3]
B6 BOS-SJU NOV 2.4>1.8[3.9]
B6 BUF-FLL NOV 0.2>0[0.7]
B6 BUF-JFK NOV 1.7>1.0[4]
B6 BUR-JFK DEC 0.7>0[1.6]
B6 CHS-EWR NOV 0.7>0.5[1.0]
B6 FLL-HPN NOV 0.8>0.6[1.9]
B6 FLL-LIM NOV 0.6>0.3[1.0]
B6 FLL-NAS NOV 1.0>0.6[3]
B6 FLL-ORH DEC 0.4>0[1.0]
B6 FLL-SFO NOV 1.9>1.3[2]
B6 FLL-SWF DEC 0.4>0[1.0]
B6 GEO-JFK MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 0.5>0[0]
B6 HPN-MCO NOV 1.3>1.0[3]
B6 HPN-RSW NOV 1.3>1.0[1.9]
B6 JAX-JFK NOV 1.0>0.8[3]
B6 JFK-KIN NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-LAS NOV 1.8>1.3[3]
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.1>0.8[2]
B6 JFK-MSP NOV 0.6>0.3[1.8]
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 0.2>0[1.3]
B6 JFK-ONT DEC 0.4>0[1.0]
B6 JFK-ORD NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-PBI NOV 2>1.6[5]
B6 JFK-PLS NOV 0.5>0.2[1.4]
B6 JFK-ROC NOV 1.8>1.3[3]
B6 JFK-SAV NOV 1.0>0.7[1.8]
B6 JFK-SFO NOV 2>1.8[5]
B6 JFK-SJC DEC 0.4>0[0.7]
B6 JFK-SRQ NOV 0.6>0.4[0.9]
B6 JFK-TPA NOV 1.4>1.1[3]
B6 LAX-SFO NOV 0.7>0.4[1.8]
B6 LGA-MCO NOV 1.4>1.0[2.0]
B6 LGA-PBI NOV 1.2>0.4[1.9]
B6 MBJ-RDU NOV 0.4>0.1[1.0]
B6 MCO-ORH DEC 0.4>0[1.0]
B6 MCO-SWF DEC 0.4>0[0.8]
B6 PBI-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[1.8]
B6 RDU-RSW NOV 0.4>0.2[1.0]

BA ATL-LHR NOV 0.6>1.0[0.6]
BA AUS-LHR NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
BA BNA-LHR NOV 0.6>0[0.6]
BA BWI-LHR NOV 0.6>0[0.6]
BA DEN-LHR NOV 0.9>0.4[1.0]
BA IAH-LHR NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
BA JFK-LHR NOV 6>5[6]
BA LAS-LHR NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
BA LGW-TPA NOV 0.9>0[0.8]
BA LHR-MCO NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
BA LHR-MIA NOV 2>1.0[2]
BA LHR-MSY NOV 0.5>0[0.6]
BA LHR-PHL NOV 1.0>0.5[1.0]
BA LHR-PHX NOV 0.7>0.4[0.7]
BA LHR-SAN NOV 0.6>0[0.6]
BA LHR-SJC NOV 0.5>0[0.5]

BF ORY-SFO NOV 0.3>0.1[0.4]
BF PPT-SFO NOV 0.3>0.1[0.4]

CA JFK-PEK NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.4]
CA LAX-PEK NOV 1.0>0.2[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.1[1.9]

CM BOS-PTY NOV 0.4>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.7[1.0]
CM DEN-PTY NOV 0.2>0[0.6]
CM FLL-PTY NOV 0.4>0.1[1.0]
CM IAD-PTY NOV 1.4>1.0[3]
CM LAS-PTY NOV 0.4>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.8]
CM LAX-PTY NOV 1.7>1.0[3]
CM MCO-PTY NOV 3>1.7[5] DEC 5>4[5]
CM MIA-PTY NOV 4>3[6]
CM MSY-PTY NOV 0.2>0[0.6]
CM ORD-PTY NOV 0.7>0.1[2] DEC 2>1.5[1.6]
CM PTY-SFO NOV 0.6>0.2[2] DEC 2>1.5[1.7]
CM PTY-TPA NOV 0.3>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.6]

CX BOS-HKG DEC 1.0>0[0.8]
CX HKG-IAD DEC 0.5>0[0.5]
CX HKG-ORD DEC 1.0>0[0.7]

DL ATL-GCM NOV 0.3>0[1.3] FEB 1.3>1.0[1.4] MAR 1.4>1.0[1.2]
DL ATL-LHR APR 1.8>1.0[2] MAY 2>1.0[1.8] JUN 2>1.0[1.0]
DL ATL-PTY NOV 0.5>0.3[1.0]
DL ATL-SCL NOV 0.7>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
DL BOS-CHS NOV 0.4>0[1.0] DEC 0.9>0.7[0.9]
DL BOS-LAS NOV 0.6>0.3[1.0]
DL BOS-MCO NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
DL CUN-JFK JAN 4>3[2] FEB 4>3[3] MAR 4>3[3]
DL DCA-JFK DEC 3>2[4]
DL DTW-RSW NOV 2>3[5]
DL IAD-JFK DEC 1.8>1.4[3]
DL KOA-SEA NOV 0.8>0.3[1.0]
**DL LHR-SEA APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL MSP-SAT NOV 1.0>1.2[2]

EI BOS-DUB NOV 1.9>1.2[2.0]
EI DUB-JFK NOV 1.9>1.2[2.0]
EI DUB-ORD NOV 1.9>1.2[2.0]

I believe SEA/EWR are now offically suspended
**EK ATH-EWR DEC 0.5>0[1.0] JAN 0.6>0[1.0] FEB 0.6>0[1.1]
**EK DXB-SEA DEC 0.5>0[1.0] JAN 0.4>0[1.0] FEB 0.4>0[1.1] MAR 0.5>0.1[0.9]
**EK JFK-MXP DEC 0.5>0[1.0] JAN 0.6>0[1.0] FEB 0.6>0[1.1]

F9 ALB-MCO DEC 0.5>0.2[0.5]
F9 ALB-TPA DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 ATL-CVG DEC 0.4>0[0.2]
F9 ATL-DEN DEC 1.3>1.7[1.1]
F9 ATL-EWR DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 ATL-ISP DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 ATL-MCO DEC 1.5>1.1[1.7]
F9 ATL-MIA DEC 1.1>0.5[0.7]
F9 ATL-RDU DEC 0.5>0[0.5]
F9 ATL-SLC DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 ATL-TPA DEC 0.5>0[0.4]
F9 ATL-TTN DEC 0.5>0.3[1.0]
F9 AUS-DEN DEC 0.9>0.7[0.9]
F9 AUS-MCO DEC 0.6>0.4[0.5]
F9 AUS-MIA DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 AUS-SAN DEC 0.2>0[0.6]
F9 AUS-SLC DEC 0.3>0[0.6]
F9 BDL-MIA DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 BNA-DEN DEC 0.7>1.0[0.7]
F9 BNA-MCO DEC 0.6>0.4[0.8]
F9 BOS-MIA DEC 0.5>0.2[0.5]
F9 BOS-PHL DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 BOS-RSW DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 BOS-SJU DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 BOS-TPA DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 BUF-DEN DEC 0.0>0.3[0.5]
F9 BUF-MCO DEC 0.9>0.6[1.0]
F9 BUF-MIA DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 BWI-SJU DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 CLE-CUN DEC 0.3>0[0.3]
F9 CLE-DEN DEC 0.6>0.9[0.7]
F9 CLE-MCO DEC 2>3[1.4]
F9 CLE-PBI DEC 0.2>0[0.3]
F9 CLE-PUJ DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 CLE-SRQ DEC 0.3>0.1[0.4]
F9 CLT-LAS DEC 0.5>0[1.0]
F9 CLT-MCO DEC 0.5>0.2[0.8]
F9 CLT-PHL DEC 0.7>0.5[1.0]
F9 CLT-TTN DEC 0.3>0[0.6]
F9 CUN-EWR DEC 0.5>0.3[0]
F9 CUN-MCI DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 CUN-PHL DEC 0.6>0.3[0.5]
F9 CVG-DEN DEC 1.1>0.7[0.7]
F9 CVG-DFW DEC 0.4>0[0]
F9 CVG-LAS DEC 0.8>0.6[1.1]
F9 CVG-MCO DEC 2>1.4[1.4]
F9 CVG-RSW DEC 1.3>0.7[1.0]
F9 CVG-SRQ DEC 0.2>0[0.4]
F9 CVG-TPA DEC 1.3>0.7[0.6]
F9 DEN-DTW DEC 0.3>0.5[0.4]
F9 DEN-EWR DEC 0.3>0.5[0]
F9 DEN-FAR DEC 0.1>0.4[0.4]
F9 DEN-ICT DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 DEN-IND DEC 0.7>0.5[0.7]
F9 DEN-MSP DEC 0.8>1.3[1.9]
F9 DEN-MSY DEC 0.7>0.5[0.7]
F9 DEN-ONT DEC 0.8>0.6[1.0]
F9 DEN-PNS DEC 0.5>0.7[0.4]
F9 DEN-PVR DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 DEN-SEA DEC 0.8>1.0[1.1]
F9 DEN-SMF DEC 0.8>0.5[0.5]
F9 DFW-MCO DEC 0.6>0.4[0.5]
F9 DFW-PHL DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 DTW-LAS DEC 0.7>0.5[0.9]
F9 DTW-MIA DEC 0.5>0.1[0.3]
F9 DTW-PHX DEC 0.5>0[0.3]
F9 EWR-MCO DEC 1.2>0.9[1.1]
F9 EWR-MIA DEC 1.1>0.6[0.5]
F9 EWR-MYR DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 EWR-PBI DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 EWR-PHX DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 EWR-RSW DEC 0.2>0[0]
F9 EWR-TPA DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 GEG-LAS DEC 0.3>0[0.6]
F9 GRR-MCO DEC 0.6>0.3[0.5]
F9 GRR-TPA DEC 0.2>0[0.3]
F9 IAD-MCO DEC 0.5>0.2[0.2]
F9 IND-MCO DEC 0.7>0.4[0.5]
F9 ISP-MCO DEC 3>1.7[1.5]
F9 ISP-MIA DEC 0.5>0.3[0]
F9 ISP-PBI DEC 1.2>0.7[0.7]
F9 ISP-TPA DEC 1.1>0.4[0.8]
F9 LAS-MIA DEC 0.5>0[0.6]
F9 LAS-ONT DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 LAS-PHL DEC 0.5>0.3[1.1]
F9 LAS-RDU DEC 0.5>0[1.0]
F9 LAS-SJC DEC 1.2>0.6[0.9]
F9 LAS-SNA DEC 0.7>0.5[0.5]
F9 LAS-TPA DEC 0.5>0[1.0]
F9 LGA-MCO DEC 0.8>0.6[0.5]
F9 MCI-MCO DEC 0.2>0[0.2]
F9 MCO-MSP DEC 0.2>0[0.7]
F9 MCO-MSY DEC 0.6>0.4[0.4]
F9 MCO-ONT DEC 0.5>0[1.0]
F9 MCO-PHL DEC 4>3[3]
F9 MCO-PVD DEC 1.1>0.5[0.8]
F9 MCO-PWM DEC 0.6>0.4[0.4]
F9 MCO-RDU DEC 0.7>0.5[1.0]
F9 MCO-STL DEC 1.5>0.8[1.0]
F9 MCO-SYR DEC 0.4>0.6[0.5]
F9 MIA-ORD DEC 0.5>0.2[0.5]
F9 MIA-PHL DEC 1.6>0.5[1.2]
F9 MIA-PVD DEC 0.4>0[0]
F9 MIA-RDU DEC 0.5>0[0.7]
F9 MIA-TTN DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 MKE-RSW DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
F9 MKE-TPA DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
F9 MSP-TPA DEC 0.2>0[0.3]
F9 MSY-PHL DEC 0.6>0.3[0.8]
F9 ORD-PHL DEC 0.3>0[0]
F9 ORD-RSW DEC 0.2>0[0.5]
F9 ORD-TPA DEC 0.3>0[0.7]
F9 PBI-PHL DEC 0.5>0.2[0.5]
F9 PHL-PHX DEC 0.5>0[0]
F9 PHL-PUJ DEC 0.3>0.1[0.4]
F9 PHL-RSW DEC 1.3>0.8[1.5]
F9 PHL-SJU DEC 1.5>1.0[2.0]
F9 PHL-SRQ DEC 0.3>0[0.2]
F9 PHL-TPA DEC 1.7>0.6[1.5]
F9 PVD-TPA DEC 0.5>0.1[0.3]
F9 RDU-TTN DEC 0.3>0[0.6]
F9 RSW-TTN DEC 0.6>0.4[0.7]
F9 SRQ-TTN DEC 0.3>0[0.3]
F9 TPA-TTN DEC 0.5>0.2[0.8]

FI IAD-KEF NOV 1.0>0.7[0.9]
FI JFK-KEF NOV 1.0>0.7[1.0]
FI KEF-MCO NOV 0.9>0.7[0.8]
FI KEF-SEA NOV 1.0>0.7[0.9]

G3 BSB-MCO JAN 0.8>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.1[0.9] APR 1.0>0.6[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.6[0] JUN 1.0>0.6[0]
G3 BSB-MIA JAN 0.8>0[0.6] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.0[0.5] APR 1.0>0.4[0.6] MAY 1.0>0.5[0] JUN 1.0>0.5[0]
G3 FOR-MCO FEB 1.0>0[0.6] MAR 1.0>0[0.4] APR 1.0>0[0.4] MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 1.0>0[0]
G3 FOR-MIA FEB 1.0>0[0.4] MAR 1.0>0[0] APR 1.0>0[0] MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 1.0>0.1[0]

G4 AZA-BIS FEB 0.4>0.1[0.8]
G4 AZA-DSM MAR 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 AZA-FAR FEB 0.8>0.6[1.0] MAR 0.7>0.3[1.3]
G4 AZA-RAP MAR 0.4>0.1[0.5]
G4 BGR-PIE FEB 0.6>0.3[0.3]
G4 BIS-LAS FEB 0.3>0.1[0.4]
G4 CID-LAS MAR 0.3>0.1[0.5]
G4 CVG-LAS DEC 0.5>0.3[0.6]
G4 CVG-PIE DEC 0.5>0.2[0.9] FEB 1.1>0.8[0.8] MAR 1.2>0.9[1.3]
G4 CVG-SRQ DEC 0.5>0.1[0.4]
G4 DSM-PIE DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3] MAR 0.5>0.2[0.4]
G4 FLL-IND MAR 0.9>0.5[0.5]
G4 FNT-PIE MAR 0.6>0.4[1.0]
G4 GRR-LAS FEB 0.3>0.1[0.6]
G4 GRR-PIE FEB 0.8>0.6[1.4] APR 0.5>0.2[1.7]
G4 GRR-SRQ MAR 0.5>0.3[0.3]
G4 IND-PGD MAR 0.7>0.4[0.9]
G4 IND-PIE DEC 0.4>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0.3[0.8] APR 0.4>0.2[1.3]
G4 IND-SFB MAR 0.9>0.3[0.6]
G4 IND-SRQ DEC 0.4>0.1[0.5] MAR 0.7>0.2[0.7]
G4 LAS-MFE NOV 0.5>0.3[0.6] DEC 0.5>0.3[1.0]
G4 LAS-SCK NOV 0.5>0.3[0.4] FEB 1.1>0.8[2.0]
G4 PGD-TOL MAR 0.5>0.2[0.5]
G4 PIE-SGF DEC 0.4>0.1[0.4] MAR 0.5>0.2[0.3]
G4 PIE-SYR NOV 0.4>0.1[0.4] FEB 0.7>0.3[0.4] MAR 0.7>0.4[0.8]
G4 PIE-TOL MAR 0.5>0.3[0.3]

IB JFK-MAD NOV 0.8>0.6[2]

**II CAP-FLL NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0]
**II FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

JQ HNL-MEL DEC 0.4>0[0.3]
JQ HNL-SYD DEC 0.6>0[0.5]

K2 BET-PSQ DEC 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
K2 BET-RSH DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
K2 MLL-PSQ DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
K2 MLL-RSH DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]

LF PGA-PHX DEC 0>0.3[0.9]
LF STL-TBN JAN 0>1.5[1.7] FEB 0>1.6[1.9] MAR 0>1.7[1.6]

*OZ HNL-ICN DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.1[0.9]

PD BOS-YTZ NOV 3>0[1.9] DEC 1.9>0.6[5]
PD EWR-YTZ NOV 5>0[4] DEC 4>1.3[10]
PD IAD-YTZ NOV 0.9>0[0.7] DEC 0.7>0.4[2]
PD MDW-YTZ NOV 1.8>0[1.2] DEC 1.2>0.4[4]

PR LAX-MNL NOV 1.0>0.7[1.4]

QF BNE-LAX DEC 1.0>0[1.3] JAN 1.0>0[1.4]
QF BNE-ORD DEC 0.5>0[0] JAN 0.6>0[0]
QF BNE-SFO DEC 0.5>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0]
QF DFW-SYD DEC 0.9>0[0.8] JAN 1.0>0[0.9]
QF HNL-SYD DEC 0.8>0[0.7] JAN 0.9>0[0.8]
QF JFK-LAX DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0]
QF LAX-MEL DEC 1.1>0[1.2] JAN 1.1>0[1.3]
QF LAX-SYD DEC 1.3>0[1.0] JAN 1.4>0[1.2]
QF MEL-SFO DEC 0.5>0[0.5] JAN 0.6>0[0.5]
QF SFO-SYD DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[1.0]

SK ARN-EWR NOV 1.0>0.5[1.0]
SK ARN-MIA NOV 0.4>0.2[0.4]
SK ARN-ORD NOV 1.0>0.5[1.0]
SK BOS-CPH NOV 0.9>0.5[0.8]
SK CPH-IAD NOV 0.9>0.6[1.0]
SK CPH-LAX NOV 1.0>0.5[1.0]
SK CPH-MIA NOV 0.4>0.2[0.4]
SK CPH-SFO NOV 0.9>0.6[1.0]
SK EWR-OSL NOV 1.0>0.5[1.0]

TN CDG-LAX DEC 0.5>0[0.6]
TN LAX-PPT DEC 0.7>0.4[1.1]

TP BOS-LIS JAN 0.7>0.4[0.8]
TP BOS-PDL FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.5>0.2[0]
TP EWR-LIS DEC 1.5>1.0[0.7] JAN 2>1.0[0.7]
TP IAD-LIS JAN 0.7>0.4[0.7]
TP JFK-LIS DEC 0.5>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0]
TP LIS-MIA DEC 0.8>0.3[1.3] JAN 1.3>0.3[1.3]
TP LIS-ORD DEC 0.4>0.1[0.7] JAN 0.6>0.1[0.7]

TS FLL-YUL NOV 0.7>0[1.1] DEC 1.1>0.8[0.5]

**UA ABE-IAD DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>1.9[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
UA ACA-IAH DEC 0.5>0.7[0.3] JAN 1.0>0.6[0.5] FEB 1.1>0.6[1.1] MAR 0.9>0.5[1.0]
UA ACC-IAD MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]
UA ANU-EWR DEC 0.5>0.1[0.2] JAN 0.5>0.2[0.5] FEB 0.4>0.1[0.5] MAR 0.4>0.2[0.4]
UA AUA-IAD DEC 0.3>0.6[0.2] JAN 0.3>1.0[0.2] FEB 0.3>1.0[0.2] MAR 0.3>0.9[0.2]
UA CUN-DEN JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2]
UA CUN-IAD JAN 1.5>2[2.0] FEB 1.1>2[1.6] MAR 2>3[1.1]
UA CUN-LAX JAN 1.1>2[2] FEB 1.1>2[1.2]
UA CUN-ORD JAN 3>2[2] FEB 3>2[3]
UA CUN-SFO JAN 1.2>2[3] FEB 1.1>2[1.4] MAR 1.9>3[1.0]
UA CZM-IAH JAN 0.4>0.6[0.6] FEB 0.3>0.6[0.4]
UA DEN-PVR JAN 1.2>1.6[1.1] FEB 1.1>1.6[1.2] MAR 1.3>1.8[1.1]
UA DEN-SJD JAN 1.2>1.4[1.1] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.2]
**UA ERI-IAD DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>1.8[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
UA EWR-NAS DEC 2>1.5[2.0]
UA EWR-POP JAN 1.0>0.5[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.4[1.1]
UA EWR-PVR MAR 0.4>0.8[0.4]
UA EWR-SAL DEC 1.0>0.7[0.2]
UA EWR-SJD DEC 0.7>1.1[0.3] FEB 0.3>0.6[0.6] MAR 0.4>0.8[0.4]
**UA EYW-IAH DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.9[0]
*UA GCM-IAD JAN 0.3>1.0[0.5] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.3] MAR 0.1>0.9[0.2]
UA GCM-ORD MAR 0.4>0.1[0.2]
UA GUA-LAX DEC 1.0>1.2[0] JAN 1.0>1.4[0] FEB 1.0>1.4[0] MAR 1.0>1.4[0]
UA IAD-IND NOV 1.0>1.2[4]
*UA IAD-MBJ DEC 0.2>0.5[0] JAN 0.3>1.0[0.1] FEB 0.3>1.0[0.1] MAR 0.1>0.9[0.2]
UA IAD-MSY NOV 1.4>1.0[3]
*UA IAD-NAS DEC 0.3>0.6[0] JAN 0.4>1.0[0.5] FEB 0.3>1.0[0.3] MAR 0>0.9[0.2]
*UA IAD-PLS DEC 0.2>0.5[0] JAN 0.2>1.0[0.2] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.2] MAR 0.1>0.9[0.2]
**UA IAD-PNS DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.2[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.8[0]
UA IAD-PUJ JAN 0.5>1.0[1.0] FEB 0.4>1.0[0.3]
UA IAD-RDU NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
UA IAD-SAL DEC 1.0>1.5[0] JAN 1.0>2[0] FEB 1.0>2[0] MAR 1.0>1.9[0]
**UA IAD-SDQ DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.9[0]
Is there an entry restriction for USVI?
*UA IAD-STT DEC 0.6>0.1[0.2] JAN 1.0>0.2[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.1[1.1] MAR 1.0>0.4[0.9]
UA IAH-MGA JAN 0.6>1.0[1.0] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.7] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.5]
*UA IAH-NAS JAN 0.3>1.0[1.0] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.6]
UA IAH-PVR DEC 2>3[2] JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[2.0]
UA IAH-SAL DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[2]
UA IAH-SJD JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 2>3[2]
UA IAH-ZIH DEC 0.5>0.8[0.2] JAN 1.0>0.6[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.1]
UA LAX-PVR DEC 0.6>1.2[0.2] JAN 0.3>1.0[0.5] FEB 0.3>1.0[0.3] MAR 0.2>1.2[0.2]
UA LAX-SAL JAN 1.0>1.6[0] FEB 1.0>1.6[0] MAR 1.0>1.5[0]
**UA LAX-SAP DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
*UA LAX-SJD DEC 1.0>1.3[1.0] JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.3] MAR 0.4>1.4[0.2]
UA MEX-ORD DEC 1.9>1.5[1.8] JAN 1.8>1.1[1.9] FEB 1.9>1.0[2] MAR 1.9>1.1[1.7]
UA ORD-PLS DEC 0.3>0.1[0.2] JAN 0.6>0.2[0.3] FEB 0.6>0.1[0.6] MAR 0.7>0.2[0.5]
UA ORD-PVR JAN 1.3>2[1.5] FEB 1.3>2[1.3]
UA ORD-SJD DEC 1.1>1.5[1.1] JAN 1.0>2[1.1] FEB 1.0>2[1.1] MAR 1.0>1.9[0.9]
UA PVR-SFO DEC 1.7>1.1[1.4] MAR 1.3>1.0[1.0]

VB GDL-LAX NOV 1.7>1.0[1.8]
VB IAH-MEX NOV 0.3>0.6[0.3]
VB IAH-MTY NOV 1.0>1.4[1.0]
VB JFK-MEX NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
VB LAS-MEX NOV 1.0>0.3[1.0]
**VB MEX-ORD DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0] APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0]
VB MTY-SAT NOV 0.3>0.6[0.3]

VR BOS-SID NOV 0.3>0[0.3]
VR IAD-SID NOV 0.4>0[0.4]

WG MCO-YYZ JAN 0.1>0.3[0.6]

WN adding NOV lift close in
WN ATL-DCA NOV 1.0>1.2[0.9]
WN ATL-IND NOV 1.8>2[1.7]
WN ATL-PHX NOV 1.2>1.7[1.0]
WN ATL-RSW NOV 1.9>2[1.8]
WN BNA-CHS NOV 1.6>2[1.2]
WN BNA-CMH NOV 1.0>1.6[1.0]
WN BNA-ECP NOV 1.9>2[1.9]
WN BNA-MSY NOV 2>3[1.8]
WN BNA-PIT NOV 1.6>2[1.3]
WN BNA-SAN NOV 0.8>1.0[0.4]
WN BNA-TPA NOV 2>3[2]
WN BWI-LAX NOV 1.0>1.2[1.0]
WN CHS-MDW NOV 1.3>1.7[0.9]
WN CLT-DAL NOV 0.9>1.4[0.9]
WN CLT-MDW NOV 1.1>1.5[0.9]
WN CMH-MDW NOV 2>3[2.0]
WN DAL-DCA NOV 1.2>1.4[0.9]
WN DAL-ECP NOV 1.2>1.8[1.0]
WN DAL-IND NOV 0.7>1.0[0.4]
WN DEN-LAS NOV 6>7[5]
WN DEN-SAT NOV 2>3[2]
WN DEN-SMF NOV 3>4[3]
WN DEN-TUL NOV 1.7>2[1.4]
WN DEN-TUS NOV 2>3[1.9]
WN ELP-HOU NOV 1.3>1.7[1.1]
WN HAV-TPA NOV 1.0>0[1.2]
WN HOU-SAN NOV 1.9>2[1.8]
WN KOA-OAK NOV 0.9>0[1.0]
WN KOA-SJC NOV 0.9>0[1.0]
WN LAS-OKC NOV 1.0>1.2[1.0]
WN LAS-ONT NOV 1.9>2[1.9]
WN LAS-SAN NOV 4>5[3]
WN LAS-SAT NOV 2.0>2[2.0]
WN LAS-SLC NOV 1.9>3[1.9]
WN LAS-TUS NOV 2>3[2]
WN MCO-RDU NOV 1.0>1.4[1.0]
WN MDW-RDU NOV 2>3[1.8]
WN MDW-SAN NOV 2>3[2.0]
WN MDW-SDF NOV 1.6>2[1.2]
WN RDU-STL NOV 0.9>1.1[0.4]
WN SAN-SLC NOV 0.7>0.9[0.3]
WN SAN-STL NOV 1.0>1.2[1.0]

WS ATL-YYC NOV 0.8>0[1.0]
WS AZA-YYC NOV 0.2>0[0.3]
WS BNA-YYZ NOV 0.7>0[0.7]
WS BOS-YYZ NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
WS DEN-YYC NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
WS FLL-YYZ NOV 2>0.1[2]
WS HNL-YVR NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
WS IAH-YYC NOV 1.4>0[1.7]
WS JFK-YYC NOV 0.6>0[0.8]
WS KOA-YVR NOV 0.8>0[1.0] DEC 0.9>0.7[1.0]
WS LAS-YEG NOV 0.5>0[0.5]
WS LAS-YQR NOV 0.3>0[0.3]
WS LAS-YVR NOV 1.4>0[1.8]
WS LAS-YWG NOV 0.2>0[0.3]
WS LAS-YXE NOV 0.3>0[0.3]
WS LAS-YYC NOV 2>0[3]
WS LAS-YYZ NOV 1.4>0[1.7]
WS LAX-YEG NOV 0.8>0[0.9]
WS LAX-YVR NOV 2>0[3]
WS LAX-YYC NOV 1.5>0.4[2.0]
WS LAX-YYZ NOV 0.8>0[1.0]
WS LGA-YYZ NOV 5>0[7] DEC 6>5[6]
WS LIH-YVR NOV 0.6>0[0.9]
WS MCO-YHZ NOV 0.3>0[0.4]
WS MCO-YOW NOV 0.3>0[0.3]
WS MCO-YWG NOV 0.2>0[0.3]
WS MCO-YYC NOV 0.7>0[1.0]
WS MCO-YYZ NOV 1.8>0[2]
WS MIA-YYZ NOV 0.8>0[1.0]
WS OGG-YVR NOV 1.7>0[2]
WS OGG-YYC NOV 0.3>0[0.7]
WS PDX-YYC NOV 0.9>0[1.0]
WS PHX-YEG NOV 1.2>0[1.5]
WS PHX-YLW NOV 0.2>0[0.2]
WS PHX-YQR NOV 0.2>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YVR NOV 0.9>0[1.0]
WS PHX-YWG NOV 0.2>0[0.3]
WS PHX-YXE NOV 0.2>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YYC NOV 2>0.5[3]
WS PHX-YYZ NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
WS PSP-YEG NOV 0.8>0[1.0]
WS PSP-YVR NOV 1.8>0.3[2]
WS PSP-YWG NOV 0.2>0[0.3]
WS PSP-YYC NOV 2>0.5[3]
WS RSW-YYZ NOV 1.0>0.1[1.5]
WS SAN-YYC NOV 0.7>0[0.8]
WS SNA-YVR NOV 0.7>0[0.9]
WS TPA-YYZ NOV 0.7>0[1.0]

Brickell305 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:06 pm

B6 GEO-JFK MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 0.5>0[0]
B6 HPN-MCO NOV 1.3>1.0[3]
B6 HPN-RSW NOV 1.3>1.0[1.9]
B6 JAX-JFK NOV 1.0>0.8[3]
B6 JFK-KIN NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.1>0.8[2]
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 0.2>0[1.3]
B6 JFK-PBI NOV 2>1.6[5]
B6 JFK-PLS NOV 0.5>0.2[1.4]
B6 JFK-SRQ NOV 0.6>0.4[0.9]
B6 JFK-TPA NOV 1.4>1.1[3]

I'm surprised at all the Florida/Caribbean cuts by B6. I thought those destinations were points of relative strength in an otherwise weak environment. JFK-KIN is surprising as it has been implied that VFR traffic has been strong. By comparison, DL has maintained its daily ATL-KIN and AA is back up to 3x daily on its MIA-KIN so maybe there is demand there but not from NYC (which seems weird as it's the largest VFR market). The start date for JFK-GEO also seems to keep getting pushed further and further back. I'm starting to wonder if this will start at all. BW has restarted its JFK-GEO ops as of yesterday and AA is set to resume in December. In a weakened market, maybe it's just not worth trying.

usairways85 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:07 pm

It looks like the AA PHL "adds" in November were partly pulled back down to September/October levels. There were also some curious additions in December that I anticipate to come back down.

enilria · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:07 pm

enilria wrote:
AA AGU-DFW NOV 0.8>1.7[2] DEC 1.5>2[1.9] JAN 1.4>2[2]
AA ALB-ORD NOV 0.2>0.7[1.6]
AA ALB-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
AA ART-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 4>5[4]
AA AUS-DFW NOV 4>5[11]
AA AVL-PHL MAR 0.8>0.6[0.9]
AA AZO-ORD NOV 0.3>0[2]
AA BDL-ORD NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA BHM-MIA MAR 1.1>1.7[1.9]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 1.6>2[2] JAN 1.9>3[2]
AA BJX-DFW NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA BMI-ORD NOV 0.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA BNA-MIA MAR 3>4[2]
AA BNA-ORD NOV 1.2>1.6[6]
AA BNA-PHL MAR 6>5[3]
AA BNA-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA BOS-ORD DEC 6>7[7]
AA BTV-PHL NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
AA BUF-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[3]
AA BWI-ORD NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
AA BWI-PHL MAR 3>2.0[3]
AA CAE-DFW NOV 0.7>1.7[3]
AA CAE-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.9]
AA CAE-PHL DEC 1.1>0.8[3]
AA CAK-PHL MAR 0.9>0.7[1.9]
AA CHA-DFW NOV 0.8>1.0[3]
AA CHS-MIA DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA CHS-PHL NOV 1.4>1.0[4]
AA CLE-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5] JAN 5>6[6]
AA CLT-FLO NOV 1.2>0[4]
AA CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]
AA CLT-HVN NOV 0.8>0[1.9]
AA CLT-IPT NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
AA CLT-ORD NOV 4>6[10]
AA CLT-PGV NOV 1.4>0[4]
AA CMH-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CMH-ORD NOV 0.4>0.7[7] JAN 6>8[8]
AA CUU-DFW NOV 0.3>1.6[2]
AA CVG-DFW NOV 2>3[5]
AA CVG-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CVG-ORD NOV 0.7>0.3[6]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA DAY-DFW NOV 1.6>2[4]
AA DAY-ORD DEC 0.4>1.9[5] JAN 1.8>3[4]
AA DAY-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[1.7]
AA DBQ-ORD NOV 0.5>0[3]
AA DCA-ORD NOV 1.9>3[8]
AA DEN-LAX NOV 1.3>1.0[2]
AA DEN-MIA DEC 1.4>1.9[1.9] JAN 1.6>2[3] MAR 1.4>1.7[1.9]
AA DFW-DRT NOV 1.2>0[2]
AA DFW-ELP NOV 4>5[7] JAN 7>8[8]
AA DFW-EVV NOV 0.4>1.2[2]
AA DFW-GDL NOV 1.1>1.4[2] JAN 1.5>2[2]
AA DFW-GSO NOV 0.5>1.5[2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 1.2>3[6] JAN 5>8[7]
AA DFW-HSV NOV 1.4>4[6] DEC 4>6[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA DFW-IAH NOV 1.9>3[10]
AA DFW-ICT NOV 2>3[5] JAN 4>5[7]
AA DFW-IND NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-JAX NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-LCH NOV 1.5>0[3]
AA DFW-LEX NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIT NOV 3>4[7]
AA DFW-MEX NOV 1.9>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA DFW-MGM NOV 1.0>1.2[3]
AA DFW-MSY NOV 3>4[9]
AA DFW-MTY NOV 0.7>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 3>5[5]
AA DFW-OKC NOV 4>5[8]
AA DFW-ORF NOV 1.2>1.7[3]
AA DFW-PBI NOV 1.8>3[3]
AA DFW-PIA MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA DFW-PNS NOV 3>4[5]
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.6>1.9[3]
AA DFW-QRO NOV 0.6>0.9[1.5]
AA DFW-RDU NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-ROW DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-SAT NOV 3>5[11]
AA DFW-SDF NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-SPI NOV 1.0>0[2]
AA DFW-TYS NOV 1.5>3[5]
AA DSM-ORD NOV 0.5>1.1[5]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 3>4[6]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 5>6[4]
AA EWR-ORD NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
AA EYW-MIA DEC 3>4[5] MAR 2>3[4]
AA FLL-ORD NOV 0.3>0.7[2.0]
AA FWA-PHL MAR 0.9>0.6[0.9]
AA GCM-MIA NOV 0.7>0.3[1.5]
AA GNV-MIA DEC 1.1>1.6[1.7] MAR 0.9>1.4[1.8]
AA GRR-ORD NOV 1.1>1.9[6]
AA GSO-MIA NOV 0.4>0.6[1.5] DEC 1.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.7]
AA GSO-PHL DEC 2>3[4]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 1.3>1.7[1.5]
AA IAH-ORD DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA IND-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA IND-ORD NOV 1.4>1.7[7]
AA ISP-PHL MAR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-PIT DEC 4>3[1.2]
AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.4>1.8[0.9]
AA LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>2[3]
AA LEX-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[2] JAN 1.5>2[3]
AA LEX-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.1] FEB 2>3[1.7] MAR 1.1>1.3[1.7]
AA LGA-MIA JAN 12>11[11]
AA LGA-ORD NOV 1.4>3[11] DEC 10>11[9]
AA MCI-MIA MAR 1.5>1.9[2]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 2>3[3]
AA MDT-PHL NOV 0.8>0.4[3]
AA MEM-MIA DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 1.8>3[4] JAN 3>4[4]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 2>3[1.8]
AA MHT-ORD NOV 1.1>1.4[2]
AA MIA-MSP DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0.2>0.5[0] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.8]
AA MIA-ORF DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA MIA-PIT MAR 2>3[3]
AA MIA-PNS DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.6>3[3]
AA MIA-POS NOV 1.5>0.6[2]
AA MIA-SAV MAR 1.6>2[1.9]
AA MIA-STL MAR 1.8>2[3]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3] MAR 1.6>3[4]
AA MIA-TPA MAR 6>7[4]
AA MIA-TYS MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MKE-ORD NOV 0.5>1.4[3]
AA MKE-PHL JAN 4>5[3]
AA MSN-ORD NOV 0.6>0.2[7]
AA MSN-PHL DEC 0.3>0.5[1.6]
AA MSP-ORD NOV 1.1>1.7[7] DEC 5>6[6] JAN 6>7[5]
AA MYR-PHL MAR 1.2>1.6[0.9]
AA OMA-ORD NOV 0.7>1.0[4]
AA OMA-PHL MAR 0.6>0.3[0.9]
AA ORD-PIA NOV 0.2>0.7[2]
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5] DEC 3>4[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA ORD-RDU NOV 0.4>0.9[4]
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
AA ORD-ROC NOV 0.2>0.7[4]
AA ORD-SAT DEC 1.7>2[1.9] JAN 2>3[2]
AA ORD-SDF NOV 0.4>0.7[5]
AA ORD-TOL DEC 1.0>1.3[3] JAN 1.6>2[3]
AA ORD-TUL DEC 0.5>0.9[3] JAN 1.2>1.4[3]
AA ORD-TVC NOV 1.6>2.0[6]
AA ORD-TYS NOV 0.2>0.5[3] DEC 2>3[3]
AA ORD-XNA NOV 0.5>0.7[5]
AA PHF-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.8]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.0>0.7[1.8] MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 4>5[4]
AA PHL-ROA NOV 0.9>0.6[0.6] DEC 0.8>1.0[1.5]
AA PHL-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
AA PHL-SAV NOV 1.5>1.2[0.8] MAR 1.4>0.9[2.0]
AA PHL-SRQ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
AA PHL-SWF NOV 0.4>0[1.7] MAR 2>1.3[3]
AA PHL-SYR NOV 1.6>1.3[3] DEC 3>4[5]
AA PHL-TYS NOV 1.1>0.6[1.2]

There's been a lot of talk about AA being inaccurate. I spot checked a few.
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
This is correct. People are picking random days and saying there are two flights, but it averages 1.2 over the month because there are whole days with no flights at all around the Holiday.
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
This is correct. There's 1 flight on most days, but zero around the holidays.
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5]
There are whole days with zero, but it appears that this E145 flight, for example, does not make it through to me.

Chicago, IL to Cleveland, OH
Saturday, November 21, 2020
1:30 PM 3:49 PM
AA 3408 ER4-Embraer ERJ-145
Operated by Envoy Air As American Eagle

Possibilities are that the equipment code filed gets filtered for validity before it makes it to me or the flight is filed as a duplicate meaning that Envoy is the primary marketer (which we know isn't really the case). One of those things appear to be happening. I'm assuming it is just Envoy E145s impacted.

enilria · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:13 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
B6 GEO-JFK MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 0.5>0[0]
B6 HPN-MCO NOV 1.3>1.0[3]
B6 HPN-RSW NOV 1.3>1.0[1.9]
B6 JAX-JFK NOV 1.0>0.8[3]
B6 JFK-KIN NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.1>0.8[2]
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 0.2>0[1.3]
B6 JFK-PBI NOV 2>1.6[5]
B6 JFK-PLS NOV 0.5>0.2[1.4]
B6 JFK-SRQ NOV 0.6>0.4[0.9]
B6 JFK-TPA NOV 1.4>1.1[3]

I'm surprised at all the Florida/Caribbean cuts by B6. I thought those destinations were points of relative strength in an otherwise weak environment. JFK-KIN is surprising as it has been implied that VFR traffic has been strong. By comparison, DL has maintained its daily ATL-KIN and AA is back up to 3x daily on its MIA-KIN so maybe there is demand there but not from NYC (which seems weird as it's the largest VFR market). The start date for JFK-GEO also seems to keep getting pushed further and further back. I'm starting to wonder if this will start at all. BW has restarted its JFK-GEO ops as of yesterday and AA is set to resume in December. In a weakened market, maybe it's just not worth trying.

There are a lot of oddities with the Caribbean. Is it possible that people are buying tickets, but then close in they realize that there is some restriction in place and they cancel? I met somebody who was going to MBJ and got to the airport in ATL before being told they needed a negative COVID test within 48 hours to enter. They rebooked for a vacation to CUN on a flight one hour later. Those sorts of last second changes of an entire trip never used to happen before...except for non-revs.

I was surprised how many stations B6 has closed for DEC.

usairways85 wrote:
It looks like the AA PHL "adds" in November were partly pulled back down to September/October levels. There were also some curious additions in December that I anticipate to come back down.

I think a lot of airlines are just trolling for bookings. They are selling schedules for 60 days out that they don't have enough planes or crew to even fly any more. The DOT is going to crack down on this soon I suspect. Beyond that, airlines are adding flights when they see a hint of customer interest, grabbing bookings, and then cancelling down to the original or less capacity 2 weeks out. It's mega-bait-and-switch.

Brickell305 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:25 pm

enilria wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
B6 GEO-JFK MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 0.5>0[0]
B6 HPN-MCO NOV 1.3>1.0[3]
B6 HPN-RSW NOV 1.3>1.0[1.9]
B6 JAX-JFK NOV 1.0>0.8[3]
B6 JFK-KIN NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.1>0.8[2]
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 0.2>0[1.3]
B6 JFK-PBI NOV 2>1.6[5]
B6 JFK-PLS NOV 0.5>0.2[1.4]
B6 JFK-SRQ NOV 0.6>0.4[0.9]
B6 JFK-TPA NOV 1.4>1.1[3]

I'm surprised at all the Florida/Caribbean cuts by B6. I thought those destinations were points of relative strength in an otherwise weak environment. JFK-KIN is surprising as it has been implied that VFR traffic has been strong. By comparison, DL has maintained its daily ATL-KIN and AA is back up to 3x daily on its MIA-KIN so maybe there is demand there but not from NYC (which seems weird as it's the largest VFR market). The start date for JFK-GEO also seems to keep getting pushed further and further back. I'm starting to wonder if this will start at all. BW has restarted its JFK-GEO ops as of yesterday and AA is set to resume in December. In a weakened market, maybe it's just not worth trying.

There are a lot of oddities with the Caribbean. Is it possible that people are buying tickets, but then close in they realize that there is some restriction in place and they cancel? I met somebody who was going to MBJ and got to the airport in ATL before being told they needed a negative COVID test within 48 hours to enter. They rebooked for a vacation to CUN on a flight one hour later. Those sorts of last second changes of an entire trip never used to happen before...except for non-revs.

I was surprised how many stations B6 has closed for DEC.
usairways85 wrote:
It looks like the AA PHL "adds" in November were partly pulled back down to September/October levels. There were also some curious additions in December that I anticipate to come back down.

I think a lot of airlines are just trolling for bookings. They are selling schedules for 60 days out that they don't have enough planes or crew to even fly any more. The DOT is going to crack down on this soon I suspect. Beyond that, airlines are adding flights when they see a hint of customer interest, grabbing bookings, and then cancelling down to the original or less capacity 2 weeks out. It's mega-bait-and-switch.

I'm not sure on the Bahamas and T&C but for Jamaica, entry requirements have been fairly consistent since its reopening in June. A negative test within the last ten days: https://www.visitjamaica.com/travelauthorization/

They also perform location monitoring of arrivals while on island. This also hasn't changed since June. Jamaica has actually seen a marked increase overall of airlift into both KIN and MBJ over the last few months which makes the cuts noted above all the more surprising.

Re STT, which you asked about, I don't know of any additional restrictions put in place. In fact, I believe the opposite is happening with restaurants now allowed to resume indoor dining up to 50% and other restrictions being rolled back.

hiflyeras · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:27 pm

EK may not return to SEA? This makes me sad...although their mileage redemption levels with AS's 'Mileage Plan' were outrageous.

WN732 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:57 pm

Surprised how little love AUS got with this one. SAN had some pretty positive changes.

IADCA · Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:12 pm

WN732 wrote:
Surprised how little love AUS got with this one. SAN had some pretty positive changes.

SAN is a domestic US vacation destination that will continue to have nice weather in winter. There's your answer.

RJNUT · Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:17 pm

Boutique (4B) shows LAX-PSP dropping completely in DEC. but the website shows an increase to 2 RT's per day.

DaCubbyBearBar · Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm

Thank you for your constant time and effort that you put in to this every week for us!!

airlinepeanuts · Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:49 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
EK may not return to SEA? This makes me sad...although their mileage redemption levels with AS's 'Mileage Plan' were outrageous.

When AS fully joins OneWorld, I wonder what the QR redemption will be like.

wedgetail737 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:01 pm

airlinepeanuts wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
EK may not return to SEA? This makes me sad...although their mileage redemption levels with AS's 'Mileage Plan' were outrageous.

When AS fully joins OneWorld, I wonder what the QR redemption will be like.

Maybe QR will replace EK on the SEA-Middle-East routes...or even Turkish.

wedgetail737 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
EK may not return to SEA? This makes me sad...although their mileage redemption levels with AS's 'Mileage Plan' were outrageous.

As I mentioned in another response, maybe QR will replace EK on the SEA-Middle-East route. But somehow I think EK will return eventually.

dfw88 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:11 pm

enilria wrote:
**II CAP-FLL NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0]
**II FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

In case anyone was confused like me, this is IBC Airways, a cargo airline based out of FLL. Not sure why they're showing up here. I thought this was only passenger flights? Are they trying to launch those? I'm curious if anyone knows.

FlyingElvii · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:11 pm

CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]

Is AA pulling out of HTS?

FlyingElvii · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:17 pm

The only conclusion that you can draw from these are that demand from the Northeast is weak to non-existent, while the Midwest and Southeast Demand continues to grow, if slowly.

MIflyer12 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:25 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]

Is AA pulling out of HTS?

HTS was on the original list of airports to be discontinued. This weekly update also shows CLT-IPT zeroed out in November; IPT was another on the hit list.

boeing773er · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:28 pm

Quite surprised regarding UA with ABE-IAD. They used to serve this route for years before the CO merger, and then I believe a few years after.

wedgetail737 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:49 pm

I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

panamair · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 pm

Why are people saying EK is pulling out of SEA without properly reading the schedule..it says 0.1 in March which indicates they have only pulled it for the winter season. Both SEA-DXB and EWR-ATH-DXB are on sale for the S21 season starting March 28, 2021. Of course that can still change later if borders remain closed etc but for now, they have been dropped for the winter season only.

Chuska · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:26 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA AGU-DFW NOV 0.8>1.7[2] DEC 1.5>2[1.9] JAN 1.4>2[2]
AA ALB-ORD NOV 0.2>0.7[1.6]
AA ALB-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
AA ART-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 4>5[4]
AA AUS-DFW NOV 4>5[11]
AA AVL-PHL MAR 0.8>0.6[0.9]
AA AZO-ORD NOV 0.3>0[2]
AA BDL-ORD NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA BHM-MIA MAR 1.1>1.7[1.9]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 1.6>2[2] JAN 1.9>3[2]
AA BJX-DFW NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA BMI-ORD NOV 0.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA BNA-MIA MAR 3>4[2]
AA BNA-ORD NOV 1.2>1.6[6]
AA BNA-PHL MAR 6>5[3]
AA BNA-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA BOS-ORD DEC 6>7[7]
AA BTV-PHL NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
AA BUF-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[3]
AA BWI-ORD NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
AA BWI-PHL MAR 3>2.0[3]
AA CAE-DFW NOV 0.7>1.7[3]
AA CAE-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.9]
AA CAE-PHL DEC 1.1>0.8[3]
AA CAK-PHL MAR 0.9>0.7[1.9]
AA CHA-DFW NOV 0.8>1.0[3]
AA CHS-MIA DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA CHS-PHL NOV 1.4>1.0[4]
AA CLE-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5] JAN 5>6[6]
AA CLT-FLO NOV 1.2>0[4]
AA CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]
AA CLT-HVN NOV 0.8>0[1.9]
AA CLT-IPT NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
AA CLT-ORD NOV 4>6[10]
AA CLT-PGV NOV 1.4>0[4]
AA CMH-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CMH-ORD NOV 0.4>0.7[7] JAN 6>8[8]
AA CUU-DFW NOV 0.3>1.6[2]
AA CVG-DFW NOV 2>3[5]
AA CVG-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CVG-ORD NOV 0.7>0.3[6]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA DAY-DFW NOV 1.6>2[4]
AA DAY-ORD DEC 0.4>1.9[5] JAN 1.8>3[4]
AA DAY-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[1.7]
AA DBQ-ORD NOV 0.5>0[3]
AA DCA-ORD NOV 1.9>3[8]
AA DEN-LAX NOV 1.3>1.0[2]
AA DEN-MIA DEC 1.4>1.9[1.9] JAN 1.6>2[3] MAR 1.4>1.7[1.9]
AA DFW-DRT NOV 1.2>0[2]
AA DFW-ELP NOV 4>5[7] JAN 7>8[8]
AA DFW-EVV NOV 0.4>1.2[2]
AA DFW-GDL NOV 1.1>1.4[2] JAN 1.5>2[2]
AA DFW-GSO NOV 0.5>1.5[2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 1.2>3[6] JAN 5>8[7]
AA DFW-HSV NOV 1.4>4[6] DEC 4>6[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA DFW-IAH NOV 1.9>3[10]
AA DFW-ICT NOV 2>3[5] JAN 4>5[7]
AA DFW-IND NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-JAX NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-LCH NOV 1.5>0[3]
AA DFW-LEX NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIT NOV 3>4[7]
AA DFW-MEX NOV 1.9>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA DFW-MGM NOV 1.0>1.2[3]
AA DFW-MSY NOV 3>4[9]
AA DFW-MTY NOV 0.7>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 3>5[5]
AA DFW-OKC NOV 4>5[8]
AA DFW-ORF NOV 1.2>1.7[3]
AA DFW-PBI NOV 1.8>3[3]
AA DFW-PIA MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA DFW-PNS NOV 3>4[5]
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.6>1.9[3]
AA DFW-QRO NOV 0.6>0.9[1.5]
AA DFW-RDU NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-ROW DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-SAT NOV 3>5[11]
AA DFW-SDF NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-SPI NOV 1.0>0[2]
AA DFW-TYS NOV 1.5>3[5]
AA DSM-ORD NOV 0.5>1.1[5]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 3>4[6]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 5>6[4]
AA EWR-ORD NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
AA EYW-MIA DEC 3>4[5] MAR 2>3[4]
AA FLL-ORD NOV 0.3>0.7[2.0]
AA FWA-PHL MAR 0.9>0.6[0.9]
AA GCM-MIA NOV 0.7>0.3[1.5]
AA GNV-MIA DEC 1.1>1.6[1.7] MAR 0.9>1.4[1.8]
AA GRR-ORD NOV 1.1>1.9[6]
AA GSO-MIA NOV 0.4>0.6[1.5] DEC 1.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.7]
AA GSO-PHL DEC 2>3[4]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 1.3>1.7[1.5]
AA IAH-ORD DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA IND-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA IND-ORD NOV 1.4>1.7[7]
AA ISP-PHL MAR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-PIT DEC 4>3[1.2]
AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.4>1.8[0.9]
AA LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>2[3]
AA LEX-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[2] JAN 1.5>2[3]
AA LEX-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.1] FEB 2>3[1.7] MAR 1.1>1.3[1.7]
AA LGA-MIA JAN 12>11[11]
AA LGA-ORD NOV 1.4>3[11] DEC 10>11[9]
AA MCI-MIA MAR 1.5>1.9[2]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 2>3[3]
AA MDT-PHL NOV 0.8>0.4[3]
AA MEM-MIA DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 1.8>3[4] JAN 3>4[4]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 2>3[1.8]
AA MHT-ORD NOV 1.1>1.4[2]
AA MIA-MSP DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0.2>0.5[0] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.8]
AA MIA-ORF DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA MIA-PIT MAR 2>3[3]
AA MIA-PNS DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.6>3[3]
AA MIA-POS NOV 1.5>0.6[2]
AA MIA-SAV MAR 1.6>2[1.9]
AA MIA-STL MAR 1.8>2[3]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3] MAR 1.6>3[4]
AA MIA-TPA MAR 6>7[4]
AA MIA-TYS MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MKE-ORD NOV 0.5>1.4[3]
AA MKE-PHL JAN 4>5[3]
AA MSN-ORD NOV 0.6>0.2[7]
AA MSN-PHL DEC 0.3>0.5[1.6]
AA MSP-ORD NOV 1.1>1.7[7] DEC 5>6[6] JAN 6>7[5]
AA MYR-PHL MAR 1.2>1.6[0.9]
AA OMA-ORD NOV 0.7>1.0[4]
AA OMA-PHL MAR 0.6>0.3[0.9]
AA ORD-PIA NOV 0.2>0.7[2]
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5] DEC 3>4[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA ORD-RDU NOV 0.4>0.9[4]
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
AA ORD-ROC NOV 0.2>0.7[4]
AA ORD-SAT DEC 1.7>2[1.9] JAN 2>3[2]
AA ORD-SDF NOV 0.4>0.7[5]
AA ORD-TOL DEC 1.0>1.3[3] JAN 1.6>2[3]
AA ORD-TUL DEC 0.5>0.9[3] JAN 1.2>1.4[3]
AA ORD-TVC NOV 1.6>2.0[6]
AA ORD-TYS NOV 0.2>0.5[3] DEC 2>3[3]
AA ORD-XNA NOV 0.5>0.7[5]
AA PHF-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.8]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.0>0.7[1.8] MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 4>5[4]
AA PHL-ROA NOV 0.9>0.6[0.6] DEC 0.8>1.0[1.5]
AA PHL-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
AA PHL-SAV NOV 1.5>1.2[0.8] MAR 1.4>0.9[2.0]
AA PHL-SRQ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
AA PHL-SWF NOV 0.4>0[1.7] MAR 2>1.3[3]
AA PHL-SYR NOV 1.6>1.3[3] DEC 3>4[5]
AA PHL-TYS NOV 1.1>0.6[1.2]

There's been a lot of talk about AA being inaccurate. I spot checked a few.
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
This is correct. People are picking random days and saying there are two flights, but it averages 1.2 over the month because there are whole days with no flights at all around the Holiday.
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
This is correct. There's 1 flight on most days, but zero around the holidays.
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5]
There are whole days with zero, but it appears that this E145 flight, for example, does not make it through to me.

Chicago, IL to Cleveland, OH
Saturday, November 21, 2020
1:30 PM 3:49 PM
AA 3408 ER4-Embraer ERJ-145
Operated by Envoy Air As American Eagle

Possibilities are that the equipment code filed gets filtered for validity before it makes it to me or the flight is filed as a duplicate meaning that Envoy is the primary marketer (which we know isn't really the case). One of those things appear to be happening. I'm assuming it is just Envoy E145s impacted.

Many are correct like the twelve Eagle markets that were discontinued thru Nov 3 have now been cut thru Dec 1. (DFW-DRT/LCH/SPI, ORD-DBQ/AZO, CLT-FLO/PGV/HTS/HVN/IPT, and PHL-SWF all showing 0 for NOV) with the exception of DFW-SWO which will continue.

I did check DFW-ELP which shows NOV 4>5[7], AA.com shows this market with 6 flights Mon-Thur and 7 on Fr/Sa/Su. It showed the same last week, I dont see any changes made. Still trying to solve the mystery. I'm wondering if some of the other changes the report shows for this week are actually corrections from what was previously shown?

usxguy · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:27 pm

dfw88 wrote:
enilria wrote:
**II CAP-FLL NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0]
**II FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

In case anyone was confused like me, this is IBC Airways, a cargo airline based out of FLL. Not sure why they're showing up here. I thought this was only passenger flights? Are they trying to launch those? I'm curious if anyone knows.

IBC got scheduled authority a few years ago and tried to fly to the Bahamas and compete with Silver (which, honestly, shouldn't take much). They even bought a building on the N side of FLL off of SW 34th street as a passenger terminal (no parking for passengers). It didn't work out and they went back to squarely charter only for passenger service.

Chuska · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:34 pm

Chuska wrote:
enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA AGU-DFW NOV 0.8>1.7[2] DEC 1.5>2[1.9] JAN 1.4>2[2]
AA ALB-ORD NOV 0.2>0.7[1.6]
AA ALB-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
AA ART-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 4>5[4]
AA AUS-DFW NOV 4>5[11]
AA AVL-PHL MAR 0.8>0.6[0.9]
AA AZO-ORD NOV 0.3>0[2]
AA BDL-ORD NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA BHM-MIA MAR 1.1>1.7[1.9]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 1.6>2[2] JAN 1.9>3[2]
AA BJX-DFW NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA BMI-ORD NOV 0.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA BNA-MIA MAR 3>4[2]
AA BNA-ORD NOV 1.2>1.6[6]
AA BNA-PHL MAR 6>5[3]
AA BNA-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA BOS-ORD DEC 6>7[7]
AA BTV-PHL NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
AA BUF-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[3]
AA BWI-ORD NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
AA BWI-PHL MAR 3>2.0[3]
AA CAE-DFW NOV 0.7>1.7[3]
AA CAE-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.9]
AA CAE-PHL DEC 1.1>0.8[3]
AA CAK-PHL MAR 0.9>0.7[1.9]
AA CHA-DFW NOV 0.8>1.0[3]
AA CHS-MIA DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA CHS-PHL NOV 1.4>1.0[4]
AA CLE-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5] JAN 5>6[6]
AA CLT-FLO NOV 1.2>0[4]
AA CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]
AA CLT-HVN NOV 0.8>0[1.9]
AA CLT-IPT NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
AA CLT-ORD NOV 4>6[10]
AA CLT-PGV NOV 1.4>0[4]
AA CMH-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CMH-ORD NOV 0.4>0.7[7] JAN 6>8[8]
AA CUU-DFW NOV 0.3>1.6[2]
AA CVG-DFW NOV 2>3[5]
AA CVG-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CVG-ORD NOV 0.7>0.3[6]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA DAY-DFW NOV 1.6>2[4]
AA DAY-ORD DEC 0.4>1.9[5] JAN 1.8>3[4]
AA DAY-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[1.7]
AA DBQ-ORD NOV 0.5>0[3]
AA DCA-ORD NOV 1.9>3[8]
AA DEN-LAX NOV 1.3>1.0[2]
AA DEN-MIA DEC 1.4>1.9[1.9] JAN 1.6>2[3] MAR 1.4>1.7[1.9]
AA DFW-DRT NOV 1.2>0[2]
AA DFW-ELP NOV 4>5[7] JAN 7>8[8]
AA DFW-EVV NOV 0.4>1.2[2]
AA DFW-GDL NOV 1.1>1.4[2] JAN 1.5>2[2]
AA DFW-GSO NOV 0.5>1.5[2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 1.2>3[6] JAN 5>8[7]
AA DFW-HSV NOV 1.4>4[6] DEC 4>6[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA DFW-IAH NOV 1.9>3[10]
AA DFW-ICT NOV 2>3[5] JAN 4>5[7]
AA DFW-IND NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-JAX NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-LCH NOV 1.5>0[3]
AA DFW-LEX NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIT NOV 3>4[7]
AA DFW-MEX NOV 1.9>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA DFW-MGM NOV 1.0>1.2[3]
AA DFW-MSY NOV 3>4[9]
AA DFW-MTY NOV 0.7>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 3>5[5]
AA DFW-OKC NOV 4>5[8]
AA DFW-ORF NOV 1.2>1.7[3]
AA DFW-PBI NOV 1.8>3[3]
AA DFW-PIA MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA DFW-PNS NOV 3>4[5]
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.6>1.9[3]
AA DFW-QRO NOV 0.6>0.9[1.5]
AA DFW-RDU NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-ROW DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-SAT NOV 3>5[11]
AA DFW-SDF NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-SPI NOV 1.0>0[2]
AA DFW-TYS NOV 1.5>3[5]
AA DSM-ORD NOV 0.5>1.1[5]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 3>4[6]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 5>6[4]
AA EWR-ORD NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
AA EYW-MIA DEC 3>4[5] MAR 2>3[4]
AA FLL-ORD NOV 0.3>0.7[2.0]
AA FWA-PHL MAR 0.9>0.6[0.9]
AA GCM-MIA NOV 0.7>0.3[1.5]
AA GNV-MIA DEC 1.1>1.6[1.7] MAR 0.9>1.4[1.8]
AA GRR-ORD NOV 1.1>1.9[6]
AA GSO-MIA NOV 0.4>0.6[1.5] DEC 1.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.7]
AA GSO-PHL DEC 2>3[4]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 1.3>1.7[1.5]
AA IAH-ORD DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA IND-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA IND-ORD NOV 1.4>1.7[7]
AA ISP-PHL MAR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-PIT DEC 4>3[1.2]
AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.4>1.8[0.9]
AA LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>2[3]
AA LEX-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[2] JAN 1.5>2[3]
AA LEX-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.1] FEB 2>3[1.7] MAR 1.1>1.3[1.7]
AA LGA-MIA JAN 12>11[11]
AA LGA-ORD NOV 1.4>3[11] DEC 10>11[9]
AA MCI-MIA MAR 1.5>1.9[2]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 2>3[3]
AA MDT-PHL NOV 0.8>0.4[3]
AA MEM-MIA DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 1.8>3[4] JAN 3>4[4]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 2>3[1.8]
AA MHT-ORD NOV 1.1>1.4[2]
AA MIA-MSP DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0.2>0.5[0] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.8]
AA MIA-ORF DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA MIA-PIT MAR 2>3[3]
AA MIA-PNS DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.6>3[3]
AA MIA-POS NOV 1.5>0.6[2]
AA MIA-SAV MAR 1.6>2[1.9]
AA MIA-STL MAR 1.8>2[3]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3] MAR 1.6>3[4]
AA MIA-TPA MAR 6>7[4]
AA MIA-TYS MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MKE-ORD NOV 0.5>1.4[3]
AA MKE-PHL JAN 4>5[3]
AA MSN-ORD NOV 0.6>0.2[7]
AA MSN-PHL DEC 0.3>0.5[1.6]
AA MSP-ORD NOV 1.1>1.7[7] DEC 5>6[6] JAN 6>7[5]
AA MYR-PHL MAR 1.2>1.6[0.9]
AA OMA-ORD NOV 0.7>1.0[4]
AA OMA-PHL MAR 0.6>0.3[0.9]
AA ORD-PIA NOV 0.2>0.7[2]
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5] DEC 3>4[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA ORD-RDU NOV 0.4>0.9[4]
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
AA ORD-ROC NOV 0.2>0.7[4]
AA ORD-SAT DEC 1.7>2[1.9] JAN 2>3[2]
AA ORD-SDF NOV 0.4>0.7[5]
AA ORD-TOL DEC 1.0>1.3[3] JAN 1.6>2[3]
AA ORD-TUL DEC 0.5>0.9[3] JAN 1.2>1.4[3]
AA ORD-TVC NOV 1.6>2.0[6]
AA ORD-TYS NOV 0.2>0.5[3] DEC 2>3[3]
AA ORD-XNA NOV 0.5>0.7[5]
AA PHF-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.8]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.0>0.7[1.8] MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 4>5[4]
AA PHL-ROA NOV 0.9>0.6[0.6] DEC 0.8>1.0[1.5]
AA PHL-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
AA PHL-SAV NOV 1.5>1.2[0.8] MAR 1.4>0.9[2.0]
AA PHL-SRQ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
AA PHL-SWF NOV 0.4>0[1.7] MAR 2>1.3[3]
AA PHL-SYR NOV 1.6>1.3[3] DEC 3>4[5]
AA PHL-TYS NOV 1.1>0.6[1.2]

There's been a lot of talk about AA being inaccurate. I spot checked a few.
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
This is correct. People are picking random days and saying there are two flights, but it averages 1.2 over the month because there are whole days with no flights at all around the Holiday.
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
This is correct. There's 1 flight on most days, but zero around the holidays.
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5]
There are whole days with zero, but it appears that this E145 flight, for example, does not make it through to me.

Chicago, IL to Cleveland, OH
Saturday, November 21, 2020
1:30 PM 3:49 PM
AA 3408 ER4-Embraer ERJ-145
Operated by Envoy Air As American Eagle

Possibilities are that the equipment code filed gets filtered for validity before it makes it to me or the flight is filed as a duplicate meaning that Envoy is the primary marketer (which we know isn't really the case). One of those things appear to be happening. I'm assuming it is just Envoy E145s impacted.

Many are correct like the twelve Eagle markets that were discontinued thru Nov 3 have now been cut thru Dec 1. (DFW-DRT/LCH/SPI, ORD-DBQ/AZO, CLT-FLO/PGV/HTS/HVN/IPT, and PHL-SWF all showing 0 for NOV) with the exception of DFW-SWO which will continue. All the other markets show a return on Dec. 2 in AA.com but don't hold your breath, looks like AA does want to keep them.

I did check DFW-ELP which shows NOV 4>5[7], AA.com shows this market with 6 flights Mon-Thur and 7 on Fr/Sa/Su. It showed the same last week, I dont see any changes made. Still trying to solve the mystery. I'm wondering if some of the other changes the report shows for this week are actually corrections from what was previously shown?

clrd4t8koff · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:39 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Sadly, this is spot on. SEA seemed to have some really strong momentum going into 2020 - but with COVID + riots it's become one of the least desirable places in the US (along with Portland). It's going to take years for SEA to rebound if it even does.

Airlinerdude · Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:52 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
...

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Doubtful. If you look at the DOT Data, SEA was continually one of EK's high LF routes in the US. EK survived heavily off of the connections from Western Canada. On any given day about 50% of the load on the aircraft was filled with connections from YVR/YYC/YEG etc. Right now with the 14-day quarantine in place for returning travellers to Canada and the near impossibility to get a Covid test for travel in Western Canada to fly EK, there's very little point in resuming services right now. Also in the pre-covid world, EK was forced by the airport authority to alter timings of EK241/242 (YYZ) that made connecting from Western Canada impossible or hugely inconvenient. 241/242 are back to the flight's inaugural timings that allow for better connections right now.

madpropsyo · Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:04 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Step away from the Fox News portrayal of Seattle. The tourism market will suffer due to the implosion of the cruise industry but the economy is not slowing down, tech especially.

Of your list Norwegian and Condor will be lucky to be flying anywhere next year, CX and SQ had shaky business cases for SEA even before COVID. IAG would be smart to pull EI out in favor of maximizing BA’s one world connection to AS.

FlyPNS1 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:23 pm

enilria wrote:
**UA IAD-PNS DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.2[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.8[0]

UA is definitely scrounging for leisure traffic wherever they can find it, but nice to see a new route.

UA flew this before for a few years back in the 2010-13 timeframe. Once AA added DCA-PNS, UA quickly bailed. It'll be interesting to see if the two routes can live in parallel. I suspect UA might extend this beyond March as the high season for PNS is really after March. I do wish they would use a better plan than a CRJ-200, but I guess beggars can't be choosers.

Lot of other IAD love in this update. Not sure how well ERI/ABE will do...no O&D, but might feed some leisure passengers into Florida. Granted, ERI is a SCASD grant so low risk for UA.

jbs2886 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:08 pm

madpropsyo wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Step away from the Fox News portrayal of Seattle. The tourism market will suffer due to the implosion of the cruise industry but the economy is not slowing down, tech especially.

Of your list Norwegian and Condor will be lucky to be flying anywhere next year, CX and SQ had shaky business cases for SEA even before COVID. IAG would be smart to pull EI out in favor of maximizing BA’s one world connection to AS.

Lol right? I live in Seattle, this dramatic portrayal as a "crap-hole" with "riots" is wholly inaccurate.

enilria · Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:20 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Thank you for your constant time and effort that you put in to this every week for us!!

Thanks!

dfw88 wrote:
enilria wrote:
**II CAP-FLL NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0]
**II FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

In case anyone was confused like me, this is IBC Airways, a cargo airline based out of FLL. Not sure why they're showing up here. I thought this was only passenger flights? Are they trying to launch those? I'm curious if anyone knows.

Not sure why a cargo airline would even file in OAG. Hmm...

RJNUT wrote:
Boutique (4B) shows LAX-PSP dropping completely in DEC. but the website shows an increase to 2 RT's per day.

No idea

FlyingElvii wrote:
CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]

Is AA pulling out of HTS?

A number of AA stations appear to lose all flights in November. I know some of them are accurate fro media coverage. I'd consult their website and report back on HTS.

boeing773er wrote:
Quite surprised regarding UA with ABE-IAD. They used to serve this route for years before the CO merger, and then I believe a few years after.

I bet ABE/ERI wrote a check.

Brickell305 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:

I'm surprised at all the Florida/Caribbean cuts by B6. I thought those destinations were points of relative strength in an otherwise weak environment. JFK-KIN is surprising as it has been implied that VFR traffic has been strong. By comparison, DL has maintained its daily ATL-KIN and AA is back up to 3x daily on its MIA-KIN so maybe there is demand there but not from NYC (which seems weird as it's the largest VFR market). The start date for JFK-GEO also seems to keep getting pushed further and further back. I'm starting to wonder if this will start at all. BW has restarted its JFK-GEO ops as of yesterday and AA is set to resume in December. In a weakened market, maybe it's just not worth trying.

There are a lot of oddities with the Caribbean. Is it possible that people are buying tickets, but then close in they realize that there is some restriction in place and they cancel? I met somebody who was going to MBJ and got to the airport in ATL before being told they needed a negative COVID test within 48 hours to enter. They rebooked for a vacation to CUN on a flight one hour later. Those sorts of last second changes of an entire trip never used to happen before...except for non-revs.

I was surprised how many stations B6 has closed for DEC.
usairways85 wrote:
It looks like the AA PHL "adds" in November were partly pulled back down to September/October levels. There were also some curious additions in December that I anticipate to come back down.

I think a lot of airlines are just trolling for bookings. They are selling schedules for 60 days out that they don't have enough planes or crew to even fly any more. The DOT is going to crack down on this soon I suspect. Beyond that, airlines are adding flights when they see a hint of customer interest, grabbing bookings, and then cancelling down to the original or less capacity 2 weeks out. It's mega-bait-and-switch.

I'm not sure on the Bahamas and T&C but for Jamaica, entry requirements have been fairly consistent since its reopening in June. A negative test within the last ten days: https://www.visitjamaica.com/travelauthorization/

They also perform location monitoring of arrivals while on island. This also hasn't changed since June. Jamaica has actually seen a marked increase overall of airlift into both KIN and MBJ over the last few months which makes the cuts noted above all the more surprising.

Re STT, which you asked about, I don't know of any additional restrictions put in place. In fact, I believe the opposite is happening with restaurants now allowed to resume indoor dining up to 50% and other restrictions being rolled back.

Interesting. Why aren't people going to STT?

panamair wrote:
Why are people saying EK is pulling out of SEA without properly reading the schedule..it says 0.1 in March which indicates they have only pulled it for the winter season. Both SEA-DXB and EWR-ATH-DXB are on sale for the S21 season starting March 28, 2021. Of course that can still change later if borders remain closed etc but for now, they have been dropped for the winter season only.

It's on a rolling cancel. That's why I said "suspended". I think they intend to come back, but I don't think that's automatic.

clrd4t8koff wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Sadly, this is spot on. SEA seemed to have some really strong momentum going into 2020 - but with COVID + riots it's become one of the least desirable places in the US (along with Portland). It's going to take years for SEA to rebound if it even does.

It will be interesting to see if Seattle/Portland acquire the reputation Detroit gained after its riots.

FlyPNS1 wrote:
Lot of other IAD love in this update. Not sure how well ERI/ABE will do...no O&D, but might feed some leisure passengers into Florida. Granted, ERI is a SCASD grant so low risk for UA.

Judging from Cuomo's admonishing NY/CT/NJ residents for traveling today more flights will move to IAD.

Chuska · Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:24 pm

RJNUT wrote:
Boutique (4B) shows LAX-PSP dropping completely in DEC. but the website shows an increase to 2 RT's per day.

Boutique frequencies are not showing correctly either. I checked the first market, ALS-DEN, which shows 1.3 down to .4 in Nov, down to 0 in Dec. however their website continues to show 4 per day which is what they've been doing and are required to do under EAS.

Chuska · Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:59 pm

enilria wrote:

Is AA pulling out of HTS?

A number of AA stations appear to lose all flights in November. I know some of them are accurate from media coverage. I'd consult their website and report back on HTS.

There were 12 Eagle cities (including HTS) that were suspended on Oct. 7 when the airlines didn't get another stimulus. At first they were only suspended thru Nov 3 but now they are zeroed out thru Dec.1. They all show back in AA.com eff. Dec 2, keep your fingers crossed!

gdavis003 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:30 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA AGU-DFW NOV 0.8>1.7[2] DEC 1.5>2[1.9] JAN 1.4>2[2]
AA ALB-ORD NOV 0.2>0.7[1.6]
AA ALB-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[3]
AA ART-PHL NOV 0.5>0.3[0.7]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 4>5[4]
AA AUS-DFW NOV 4>5[11]
AA AVL-PHL MAR 0.8>0.6[0.9]
AA AZO-ORD NOV 0.3>0[2]
AA BDL-ORD NOV 1.0>1.3[4]
AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA BHM-MIA MAR 1.1>1.7[1.9]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 1.6>2[2] JAN 1.9>3[2]
AA BJX-DFW NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA BMI-ORD NOV 0.3>0.6[3] DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA BNA-MIA MAR 3>4[2]
AA BNA-ORD NOV 1.2>1.6[6]
AA BNA-PHL MAR 6>5[3]
AA BNA-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA BOS-ORD DEC 6>7[7]
AA BTV-PHL NOV 1.0>0.7[3]
AA BUF-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[3]
AA BWI-ORD NOV 0.7>1.1[3]
AA BWI-PHL MAR 3>2.0[3]
AA CAE-DFW NOV 0.7>1.7[3]
AA CAE-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.9]
AA CAE-PHL DEC 1.1>0.8[3]
AA CAK-PHL MAR 0.9>0.7[1.9]
AA CHA-DFW NOV 0.8>1.0[3]
AA CHS-MIA DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA CHS-PHL NOV 1.4>1.0[4]
AA CLE-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5] JAN 5>6[6]
AA CLT-FLO NOV 1.2>0[4]
AA CLT-HTS NOV 1.3>0[3]
AA CLT-HVN NOV 0.8>0[1.9]
AA CLT-IPT NOV 1.4>0[1.9]
AA CLT-ORD NOV 4>6[10]
AA CLT-PGV NOV 1.4>0[4]
AA CMH-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CMH-ORD NOV 0.4>0.7[7] JAN 6>8[8]
AA CUU-DFW NOV 0.3>1.6[2]
AA CVG-DFW NOV 2>3[5]
AA CVG-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA CVG-ORD NOV 0.7>0.3[6]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0.5>0.7[0]
AA DAY-DFW NOV 1.6>2[4]
AA DAY-ORD DEC 0.4>1.9[5] JAN 1.8>3[4]
AA DAY-PHL NOV 1.2>0.7[1.7]
AA DBQ-ORD NOV 0.5>0[3]
AA DCA-ORD NOV 1.9>3[8]
AA DEN-LAX NOV 1.3>1.0[2]
AA DEN-MIA DEC 1.4>1.9[1.9] JAN 1.6>2[3] MAR 1.4>1.7[1.9]
AA DFW-DRT NOV 1.2>0[2]
AA DFW-ELP NOV 4>5[7] JAN 7>8[8]
AA DFW-EVV NOV 0.4>1.2[2]
AA DFW-GDL NOV 1.1>1.4[2] JAN 1.5>2[2]
AA DFW-GSO NOV 0.5>1.5[2]
AA DFW-HOU NOV 1.2>3[6] JAN 5>8[7]
AA DFW-HSV NOV 1.4>4[6] DEC 4>6[5] JAN 5>6[5]
AA DFW-IAH NOV 1.9>3[10]
AA DFW-ICT NOV 2>3[5] JAN 4>5[7]
AA DFW-IND NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-JAX NOV 3>4[6]
AA DFW-LCH NOV 1.5>0[3]
AA DFW-LEX NOV 1.3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIT NOV 3>4[7]
AA DFW-MEX NOV 1.9>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA DFW-MGM NOV 1.0>1.2[3]
AA DFW-MSY NOV 3>4[9]
AA DFW-MTY NOV 0.7>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 3>5[5]
AA DFW-OKC NOV 4>5[8]
AA DFW-ORF NOV 1.2>1.7[3]
AA DFW-PBI NOV 1.8>3[3]
AA DFW-PIA MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA DFW-PNS NOV 3>4[5]
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.6>1.9[3]
AA DFW-QRO NOV 0.6>0.9[1.5]
AA DFW-RDU NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-ROW DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-SAT NOV 3>5[11]
AA DFW-SDF NOV 2>3[6]
AA DFW-SPI NOV 1.0>0[2]
AA DFW-TYS NOV 1.5>3[5]
AA DSM-ORD NOV 0.5>1.1[5]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 3>4[6]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 5>6[4]
AA EWR-ORD NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
AA EYW-MIA DEC 3>4[5] MAR 2>3[4]
AA FLL-ORD NOV 0.3>0.7[2.0]
AA FWA-PHL MAR 0.9>0.6[0.9]
AA GCM-MIA NOV 0.7>0.3[1.5]
AA GNV-MIA DEC 1.1>1.6[1.7] MAR 0.9>1.4[1.8]
AA GRR-ORD NOV 1.1>1.9[6]
AA GSO-MIA NOV 0.4>0.6[1.5] DEC 1.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 1.1>1.7[1.7]
AA GSO-PHL DEC 2>3[4]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 1.3>1.7[1.5]
AA IAH-ORD DEC 1.9>2[3]
AA IND-MIA MAR 2>3[3]
AA IND-ORD NOV 1.4>1.7[7]
AA ISP-PHL MAR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-PIT DEC 4>3[1.2]
AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.4>1.8[0.9]
AA LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>2[3]
AA LEX-ORD NOV 0.3>0.5[2] JAN 1.5>2[3]
AA LEX-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.1] FEB 2>3[1.7] MAR 1.1>1.3[1.7]
AA LGA-MIA JAN 12>11[11]
AA LGA-ORD NOV 1.4>3[11] DEC 10>11[9]
AA MCI-MIA MAR 1.5>1.9[2]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 2>3[3]
AA MDT-PHL NOV 0.8>0.4[3]
AA MEM-MIA DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.5>2[1.9]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 1.8>3[4] JAN 3>4[4]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 2>3[1.8]
AA MHT-ORD NOV 1.1>1.4[2]
AA MIA-MSP DEC 1.7>2[1.9] MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0.2>0.5[0] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.8]
AA MIA-ORF DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.9>3[3]
AA MIA-PIT MAR 2>3[3]
AA MIA-PNS DEC 2>3[3] MAR 1.6>3[3]
AA MIA-POS NOV 1.5>0.6[2]
AA MIA-SAV MAR 1.6>2[1.9]
AA MIA-STL MAR 1.8>2[3]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3] MAR 1.6>3[4]
AA MIA-TPA MAR 6>7[4]
AA MIA-TYS MAR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA MKE-ORD NOV 0.5>1.4[3]
AA MKE-PHL JAN 4>5[3]
AA MSN-ORD NOV 0.6>0.2[7]
AA MSN-PHL DEC 0.3>0.5[1.6]
AA MSP-ORD NOV 1.1>1.7[7] DEC 5>6[6] JAN 6>7[5]
AA MYR-PHL MAR 1.2>1.6[0.9]
AA OMA-ORD NOV 0.7>1.0[4]
AA OMA-PHL MAR 0.6>0.3[0.9]
AA ORD-PIA NOV 0.2>0.7[2]
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5] DEC 3>4[5] JAN 4>5[5]
AA ORD-RDU NOV 0.4>0.9[4]
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
AA ORD-ROC NOV 0.2>0.7[4]
AA ORD-SAT DEC 1.7>2[1.9] JAN 2>3[2]
AA ORD-SDF NOV 0.4>0.7[5]
AA ORD-TOL DEC 1.0>1.3[3] JAN 1.6>2[3]
AA ORD-TUL DEC 0.5>0.9[3] JAN 1.2>1.4[3]
AA ORD-TVC NOV 1.6>2.0[6]
AA ORD-TYS NOV 0.2>0.5[3] DEC 2>3[3]
AA ORD-XNA NOV 0.5>0.7[5]
AA PHF-PHL NOV 0.9>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.5>0.9[1.8]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.0>0.7[1.8] MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 4>5[4]
AA PHL-ROA NOV 0.9>0.6[0.6] DEC 0.8>1.0[1.5]
AA PHL-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
AA PHL-SAV NOV 1.5>1.2[0.8] MAR 1.4>0.9[2.0]
AA PHL-SRQ DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
AA PHL-SWF NOV 0.4>0[1.7] MAR 2>1.3[3]
AA PHL-SYR NOV 1.6>1.3[3] DEC 3>4[5]
AA PHL-TYS NOV 1.1>0.6[1.2]

There's been a lot of talk about AA being inaccurate. I spot checked a few.
AA ORD-PIT NOV 0.9>1.2[5]
This is correct. People are picking random days and saying there are two flights, but it averages 1.2 over the month because there are whole days with no flights at all around the Holiday.
AA ORD-RIC NOV 0.4>0.7[4]
This is correct. There's 1 flight on most days, but zero around the holidays.
AA CLE-ORD NOV 1.0>1.6[5]
There are whole days with zero, but it appears that this E145 flight, for example, does not make it through to me.

Chicago, IL to Cleveland, OH
Saturday, November 21, 2020
1:30 PM 3:49 PM
AA 3408 ER4-Embraer ERJ-145
Operated by Envoy Air As American Eagle

Possibilities are that the equipment code filed gets filtered for validity before it makes it to me or the flight is filed as a duplicate meaning that Envoy is the primary marketer (which we know isn't really the case). One of those things appear to be happening. I'm assuming it is just Envoy E145s impacted.

AA BHM-DFW NOV 1.3>3[5] DEC 4>5[5] JAN 5>6[5]

I spot checked this one. I think that the issue is with Envoy. This route is at least 4x every single day through month of November, sometimes 4x sometimes 5x, except for Thanksgiving day and the day after (1x and 3x respectively). Looks like 1-2 of these daily ones are with Envoy E-175s, and the rest are PSA and Mesa CRJs. So, I think that the issue is with Envoy as a whole.

klm617 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:56 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

We are seeing now how over saturated Seattle really was just like Boston. Those two markets had been punching over their weight for a while now and those markets are now being rightsized more to the demand. Airlines can no longer give away seats just to say hey we are serving the latest cool market. I actually think Condor will be back

drdisque · Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:20 pm

klm617 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

We are seeing now how over saturated Seattle really was just like Boston. Those two markets had been punching over their weight for a while now and those markets are now being rightsized more to the demand. Airlines can no longer give away seats just to say hey we are serving the latest cool market. I actually think Condor will be back

I think ANA will be back too as Seattle-Japan is too big of a market for Star Alliance to have no service on.

dfw88 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:24 pm

usxguy wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
enilria wrote:
**II CAP-FLL NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0]
**II FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

In case anyone was confused like me, this is IBC Airways, a cargo airline based out of FLL. Not sure why they're showing up here. I thought this was only passenger flights? Are they trying to launch those? I'm curious if anyone knows.

IBC got scheduled authority a few years ago and tried to fly to the Bahamas and compete with Silver (which, honestly, shouldn't take much). They even bought a building on the N side of FLL off of SW 34th street as a passenger terminal (no parking for passengers). It didn't work out and they went back to squarely charter only for passenger service.

Thanks for the explanation. Does this mean they're giving scheduled service another try or is this a random charter showing up?

durangomac · Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:31 pm

madpropsyo wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Step away from the Fox News portrayal of Seattle. The tourism market will suffer due to the implosion of the cruise industry but the economy is not slowing down, tech especially.

Of your list Norwegian and Condor will be lucky to be flying anywhere next year, CX and SQ had shaky business cases for SEA even before COVID. IAG would be smart to pull EI out in favor of maximizing BA’s one world connection to AS.

I'm going to second that you need to step away from the media about Seattle/Portland and the protest/riots. I live in Seattle and close to some of the violent riots. Seattle is really not that bad. The problem at the moment is the pandemic is taking long than anyone likes. The downtown area is still sad because there is so much less tourism and so few people are going into downtown to work with all the work from.

wedgetail737 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:57 pm

Thank you all for your feedback regarding my post about overseas airlines NOT coming back to SEA. It's good to hear some realism as opposed to the sensationalism provided by the media (not just Fox). If some are not coming back, would that provide opportunities for others?

I really hope this whole political strife at SEA (and Portland) eventually settles down and we can get back to real life, including fighting bad rush-hour traffic.

tphuang · Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:26 pm

It's all media sensationalism. Unless the tech companies in Seattle all make work from home a permanent thing, I don't see why people that work in these companies will permanently leave the area. And if they don't leave, then why would the international airlines not come back to Seattle? The air demand in PNW has certainly comeback a lot faster than Northeast. I don't think there is any real evidence why demand would not come back in 3 to 5 years.

bpat777 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:37 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
madpropsyo wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Step away from the Fox News portrayal of Seattle. The tourism market will suffer due to the implosion of the cruise industry but the economy is not slowing down, tech especially.

Of your list Norwegian and Condor will be lucky to be flying anywhere next year, CX and SQ had shaky business cases for SEA even before COVID. IAG would be smart to pull EI out in favor of maximizing BA’s one world connection to AS.

Lol right? I live in Seattle, this dramatic portrayal as a "crap-hole" with "riots" is wholly inaccurate.

I was there in mid August and didn't feel unsafe at all. Seattle continues to be one of my favorite cities to visit in the U.S.

slcdeltarumd11 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:49 pm

These cuts were due there was way too much November flying out there. I think we will see more to come very close in and definitely alot of December cuts coming also.

Holiday bookings are on track terrible in theory but it's hard to know if there will be some last minute surge demand. No one knows right now. People are playing things day to day here we might see a little surge close in but nothing even close to years past. If numbers are low I would expect a good bump just and only for the holidays.

Look for a psunami of January and Feb post holidays real hard cuts and even more tropical adds Florida, carribean , PSP since those are the only places people want to travel too. I predict the airlines particularly the US 3 legacies really cut hard in January united can't keep losing $25 million a day. We will see a brutal cut schedules coming post holidays even if there is a vaccine approved it won't be distributed soon enough to save January a pretty slow time anyway.

wedgetail737 · Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:50 pm

tphuang wrote:
It's all media sensationalism. Unless the tech companies in Seattle all make work from home a permanent thing, I don't see why people that work in these companies will permanently leave the area. And if they don't leave, then why would the international airlines not come back to Seattle? The air demand in PNW has certainly comeback a lot faster than Northeast. I don't think there is any real evidence why demand would not come back in 3 to 5 years.

Yeah...unfortunately, the overseas airlines have not been coming back to SEA and according to the OAG data posted here, there haven't been too many coming back in the near future. But I can understand why...not because of SEA.

usdcaguy · Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:25 am

B6 ATL-BOS NOV 1.5>0.9[2]
B6 ATL-JFK NOV 1.5>1.2[3]

We keep seeing shrinkage and "rightsizing" from B6 at ATL. Will be interesting to see whether they continue with that station into next year or decide to close it outright. Many people have not been happy with B6's on-time performance in ATL, and they have sworn not to fly them again. B6 really needed to get a foothold in the market, but I don't see that happening now.

Cointrin330 · Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:26 am

madpropsyo wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Step away from the Fox News portrayal of Seattle. The tourism market will suffer due to the implosion of the cruise industry but the economy is not slowing down, tech especially.

Of your list Norwegian and Condor will be lucky to be flying anywhere next year, CX and SQ had shaky business cases for SEA even before COVID. IAG would be smart to pull EI out in favor of maximizing BA’s one world connection to AS.

Exactly, and very well said. NAX and Condor will definitely not be flying anywhere and likely, won't even be around next year. CX and SQ were new to the SEA market and nice to have but not essential now. Seattle is and will remain an engine of economic growth and a magnet for business and tourism once the industry recovers, but it will take time.

Cointrin330 · Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:30 am

tphuang wrote:
It's all media sensationalism. Unless the tech companies in Seattle all make work from home a permanent thing, I don't see why people that work in these companies will permanently leave the area. And if they don't leave, then why would the international airlines not come back to Seattle? The air demand in PNW has certainly comeback a lot faster than Northeast. I don't think there is any real evidence why demand would not come back in 3 to 5 years.

Agreed. It's not media sensationalism, it's conspiracy fueled propaganda. The Pacific Northwest and the Seattle metropolitan area are highly desirable places to live. Travel to/from will recover. It will take time.

tphuang · Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:21 am

usdcaguy wrote:
B6 ATL-BOS NOV 1.5>0.9[2]
B6 ATL-JFK NOV 1.5>1.2[3]

We keep seeing shrinkage and "rightsizing" from B6 at ATL. Will be interesting to see whether they continue with that station into next year or decide to close it outright. Many people have not been happy with B6's on-time performance in ATL, and they have sworn not to fly them again. B6 really needed to get a foothold in the market, but I don't see that happening now.

There is no chance of this happening. There quite a few stations they are out until April and ATL is far from it. Business demand out of NYC/BOS is at bare minimum right now. If you want to see rightsizing, you should take a look at Delta's LGA schedule.

slcdeltarumd11 · Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:34 am

usdcaguy wrote:
B6 ATL-BOS NOV 1.5>0.9[2]
B6 ATL-JFK NOV 1.5>1.2[3]

We keep seeing shrinkage and "rightsizing" from B6 at ATL. Will be interesting to see whether they continue with that station into next year or decide to close it outright. Many people have not been happy with B6's on-time performance in ATL, and they have sworn not to fly them again. B6 really needed to get a foothold in the market, but I don't see that happening now.

Right now means nothing for flyers loyalty. The heavy FFs are benched. The airlines are just trying to keep connectivity, which JetBlue is doing to atl.
JetBlue has ATL as a spoke and a destination for it's loyal flyers , they don't really expect an ATL heavy base they know southwest and delta fly non-stop to everywhere. They are serving the market just fine , it's so their northeast flyers can get to Atlanta if need be.

seat1a · Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:03 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Seattle is America's most beautiful major city, especially in the Summer. And the crap going on here is just a couple blocks.

wedgetail737 · Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 am

seat1a wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I'm guessing the following overseas airlines will NOT return to SEA post-pandemic:

EK
EI
SQ
Norwegian
NH
CX
Condor

Seattle has turned into such a crap-hole that no one in their right mind would want to come back or come visit.

Seattle is America's most beautiful major city, especially in the Summer. And the crap going on here is just a couple blocks.

I still don't think the political situation there is helping matters. But I really hope most of overseas airlines come back...and some.

panamair · Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:42 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I still don't think the political situation there is helping matters. But I really hope most of overseas airlines come back...and some.

I think you're way overestimating the impact of the political situation especially on international travel demand for SEA. Frankly, the civil unrest in SEA and PDX has hardly registered a blip in the international press other than there is general racial strife and civil unrest in the USA as a whole. You will be hard pressed to find many specific mentions of Seattle in most international press. It may be a deterrence to some domestic travellers, but international travel demand is suppressed mostly because of all the border restrictions and quarantine requirements; when foreign airlines restart flights to the US, their priorities of course are the usual suspects like NYC, ORD, SFO/LAX, and/or US partner hubs. SEA is not really in any of those categories.

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