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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:46 pm

YYZORD wrote:
I assume that ORD, IAH, and IAD will become 789 routes if NH is retiring 13 777-300ER's?


Why? They still have 15 77Ws.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:58 pm

LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.

jbs2886 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
I assume that ORD, IAH, and IAD will become 789 routes if NH is retiring 13 777-300ER's?


Why? They still have 15 77Ws.
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 pm

jagraham wrote:
With the number of 777s NH has, it's no surprise that they are the majority of the cuts.
But the distribution is . . they have (from post #4)
19 x 777-200/-200ER configured for domestic flights, with up to 405 seats.
7 777-300 are also domestic only.
28 x 777-300ER and
2 x A380

13 of the 28 77Ws will be withdrawn
2 of the 7 773s will be withdrawn
7 of the 19 77As / 77Es will be withdrawn (they have 7 77As and 12 77Es)

Re the 767s, they are all ERs at this time; 5 have been converted to freighters, and 4 were built as freighters.eleven, including the last two built as Fs, are less than 12 years old.
5 of those 767s are going away.

The drawdown is spread across the 777 and 767 fleets. The only possibility of a fleet being withdrawn is the 77As.


Surprised more 1998-era 773A's weren't on the list, but I guess they have good cargo capacity for domestic flights.

Sucks about the young 763's though... at this rate there will be none flying pax by 2024 :cry2:
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:01 pm

Tiredofhumanity wrote:

They rarely fill the bay with cargo. It's more about pax capacity and ability to spread people across.

The vast majority of cargo are moved by either road transport or by sea.

They were not planning to replace 773As until more domestic 787-10s arrive in the first place.

I'm not surprised about 767s, it sounds to me that it's some of the WL birds going but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:41 pm

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Well, there's your feedstock for 77W freighters.


There’s going to be plenty of that, CX have returned several, I think BR probably will aswell, NZ a couple, JL at some point were to replace their with 35Ks, EK particularly have returned several with plenty more to go, QR, EY I’d imagine as well and that is just the next wee while.
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:38 am

raylee67 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
It say ANA currently own about 60 large aircrafts mainly for international long haul, of which about 25-30 of them will be removed.

Personal note and comment: https://flyteam.jp/news/article/128803 Since ANA currently have 2×A380, 35×777-300, and 19×777-200, which already come close to the reported nuber of 60, and the number of their other widebodies far exceed this numner, I guess the "large aircraft" rwferred to by this report is exclusively referring to 777 and A380 but not other smaller aircraft.


If ANA is really only focusing on "international long haul" in this fleet reduction, then their 777-200, 777-200ER and 777-300 are not included.

They currently have 19 x 777-200/-200ER but all are configured for domestic flights, with up to 405 seats. They do not even fly international to China or Korea with those planes, let alone long haul. The 7 777-300 are also domestic only.

So that leaves 28 x 777-300ER and 2 x A380 from your list. What would make up the remaining 30 "large aircraft" that are "international long haul" would be the 787-8 and 787-9. While they have 72 x 787s in total now, many of those are also configured for domestic flights only. Actually only 19 x 787-8 and 31 x 787-9 are international. 28 of the 31 787-9 are operated by a low-cost subsidiary "Air Japan" (but in full ANA livery so many people don't know about this "Air Japan" thing). Those planes are typically used in routes to Hawaii or Asia (e.g. HKG, SIN, PEK, etc.), which are mostly not long haul.

So my guess would be 28 x 777-300ER, 2 x A380, 19 x 787-8 and some of the 31 x 787-9 that makes up the list. Again, that's assuming that "international long haul" comment was correct.

From that list, I think the 777-300ER would be the main casualty here.

First, while demand for long haul travel recovers, it will come back slowly. It is easier to fill a 788/789 than a 77W. Second, a 788/789 is more efficient to fly than a 77W, so if I only have 200 pax on LAX-NRT, I definitely would fly a 789, not a 77W. Basically, before demand fully (or at least 80%) recovers on long haul routes, ANA doesn't need any 77W. 788/789 can fly all the routes that were served with a 77W before.

What happens if ANA gets rid of the 77W and demand recovers in 2023/2024 (as most airlines are expecting now)? Don't forget ANA has 20x 777-9 on order. The time that demands recover will actually coincide with 779 delivery. So ANA can just get the capacity back at that time.

with the emergence of the 777-300ERF? It might well be the EXACT time for ANA to ditch the 777-300ER fleet Especially with the 777x on the horizon.. and if they do get rid of them now? they might well be ahead of the game with a new game about to Start if the Covid-19 Vaccine is successful. If Not? They'd be no worse off than they Were.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:18 am

This will mean how many routes aren’t coming back?? Sad to see....2020 just SUCKS!! The A380 only does the HNL turns, so I am not sure how 2, much less 3 of them will fit in their fleet. Not sure when that route even reopens.
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:22 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
This will mean how many routes aren’t coming back?? Sad to see....2020 just SUCKS!! The A380 only does the HNL turns, so I am not sure how 2, much less 3 of them will fit in their fleet. Not sure when that route even reopens.


Their 380 are too new to retire.....together with the large capital expenses spend. If the demand is really low, they could combined their X daily flights to HNL into one / two daily 380 flights
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:22 am

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I can't see a subfleet consisting of only 3 planes as being remotely economical. I get why ANA bought the A380, that they never really wanted them and they only bought them as a trade of (source below for those who don't remember). But C19 happened, which makes the industry go through fundamental changes and furthermore the A380 can't be used at NHD, which makes it even less useful for ANA. Depending on how long the C19 downturn lasts, I think it is realistic that the A280 might go "directly" to the scrapper. Especially since ANA has 777X on order to replace them and the A380 is the only Airbus WB in the fleet. Did it ever happen that a "new" plane went directly from the manufacturer to the scrapper, without being used much by the customer, or would that be a first for the aviation industry? (if it might happen)


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https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ort-260531

ANA would have been trying to expand their share on HNL route using the effect of A380, I don't think 777X would change that
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:54 am

Maybe some of the 77E's being retired could be converted to freighters for ANA Cargo.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:07 am

Talking of ANA and their HNL flights, there is some hope tourism can recover moving forward :
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... in/055000c
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:09 am

TC957 wrote:
Maybe some of the 77E's being retired could be converted to freighters for ANA Cargo.

There's no such thing as a 77E conversion program to date. I don't see that changes anytime soon.

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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:22 am

Here's more info about changes at ANA.

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202 ... 027-2.html
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:44 am

Fuling wrote:
Here's more info about changes at ANA.

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202 ... 027-2.html


Interesting that the low-cost operation is talking about flights to Oceania, which means some low-cost competition for JQ long-haul.

This would be a good move, given that Japan was a popular holiday destination for Australians pre-Covid, and is likely to be one of the 'bubble' countries in the new year. And Australia & NZ are still popular with Japanese visitors.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:48 am

Interesting press release - thanks for posting.
Looks to me like ANA will form the new 787 lo-cost fleet a la JAL's Zipair.
Re the 35 aircraft to be offloaded, the 22 777-200's mentioned plus all remaining A320ceo's and 737-700's = 35 frames.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:25 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Maybe some of the 77E's being retired could be converted to freighters for ANA Cargo.

There's no such thing as a 77E conversion program to date. I don't see that changes anytime soon.

Michael


Bedek started the 777 conversion program with a 77E. But when GE put money in, the target plane became the 77W

But no, there is no 77E conversion at this time. Wouldn't be hard to do for Bedek, but it doesn't exist yet.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:23 pm

jagraham wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Maybe some of the 77E's being retired could be converted to freighters for ANA Cargo.

There's no such thing as a 77E conversion program to date. I don't see that changes anytime soon.

Michael


Bedek started the 777 conversion program with a 77E. But when GE put money in, the target plane became the 77W

But no, there is no 77E conversion at this time. Wouldn't be hard to do for Bedek, but it doesn't exist yet.

Bedek started the program ages ago, if my memory serves it started as early as 2014 and never went anywhere. This obviously tells something about 77E.

GE involvement was a recent development.

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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:52 pm

Polot wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Tabito wrote:
Additional retirement in FY2020
777-300ER : 13
777-300 : 2
777-200ER/200 : 7
767-300ER/300 : 5
737-700 : 1
Total 28

hmm so they want to keep the A380?

One of the A380s hasn’t even been delivered yet, so ANA would have to get out of that order first. It doesn’t make any financial sense to retire those planes now, they have only been in the fleet for 1-1.5 years.


I can’t see anyone wanting to buy the A380s.

They’ll be stuck with them it seems.
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:42 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
Polot wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
hmm so they want to keep the A380?

One of the A380s hasn’t even been delivered yet, so ANA would have to get out of that order first. It doesn’t make any financial sense to retire those planes now, they have only been in the fleet for 1-1.5 years.


I can’t see anyone wanting to buy the A380s.

They’ll be stuck with them it seems.


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And the third frame should have been delivered last month but was ( again ) deffered for one year.
By the way , first flught was October 10, 2019 and the frame is now already one year old.

https://simpleflying.com/ana-delivery-delays-boeing-777x-airbus-a380/
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:56 am

eamondzhang wrote:
jagraham wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
There's no such thing as a 77E conversion program to date. I don't see that changes anytime soon.

Michael


Bedek started the 777 conversion program with a 77E. But when GE put money in, the target plane became the 77W

But no, there is no 77E conversion at this time. Wouldn't be hard to do for Bedek, but it doesn't exist yet.

Bedek started the program ages ago, if my memory serves it started as early as 2014 and never went anywhere. This obviously tells something about 77E.

GE involvement was a recent development.

Michael


Floor beams, where the big innovation happened, are pretty much the same. So a 77E conversion is quite doable.

But it's more realizable with an investor. GE invested in the 77W since all 77Ws have GE engines. Even though the 77W is somewhat more problematic, being longer.

Anyway, Bedek did it. And without replacing the floor beams. The trail has been blazed.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:37 pm

[quote="YYZORD"]LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.

Just curious, how do you know that?
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:53 pm

I saw pax numbers per route, there is an article somewhere online that talks about Japan to USA routes.

Planeboy17 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.

Just curious, how do you know that?
 
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Re: Rumor: ANA to reduce their fleet of large aircrafts by half

Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:18 pm

Capricorn wrote:
I can't see a subfleet consisting of only 3 planes as being remotely economical. I get why ANA bought the A380, that they never really wanted them and they only bought them as a trade of (source below for those who don't remember). But C19 happened, which makes the industry go through fundamental changes and furthermore the A380 can't be used at NHD, which makes it even less useful for ANA. Depending on how long the C19 downturn lasts, I think it is realistic that the A280 might go "directly" to the scrapper. Especially since ANA has 777X on order to replace them and the A380 is the only Airbus WB in the fleet. Did it ever happen that a "new" plane went directly from the manufacturer to the scrapper, without being used much by the customer, or would that be a first for the aviation industry? (if it might happen)


Source
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ort-260531


Regarding widebodies going right to the scrapper, Boeing 767 line number 923 was scrapped without ever being delivered. That said, NH might be regretting its top-up B77W order, as that was designed almost exclusively for LHR, FRA, and JFK...which might all be better served on the B789 at this time from HND only. The six oldest B77Ws at NH...GECAS would be silly to not be over them to purchase and then convert to freighters...same for JL's B77Ws once the A35K comes in.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:36 pm

jagraham wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
jagraham wrote:

Bedek started the 777 conversion program with a 77E. But when GE put money in, the target plane became the 77W

But no, there is no 77E conversion at this time. Wouldn't be hard to do for Bedek, but it doesn't exist yet.

Bedek started the program ages ago, if my memory serves it started as early as 2014 and never went anywhere. This obviously tells something about 77E.

GE involvement was a recent development.

Michael


Floor beams, where the big innovation happened, are pretty much the same. So a 77E conversion is quite doable.

But it's more realizable with an investor. GE invested in the 77W since all 77Ws have GE engines. Even though the 77W is somewhat more problematic, being longer.

Anyway, Bedek did it. And without replacing the floor beams. The trail has been blazed.

While I agree the development is complete, the 777s all stayed in demand until Covid19. So 77Es, the next most likely candidate after 77W and 77L, mostly have a lot of use While ANA has some young examples, I'm not sure there is enough 77E stock with moderate utilization when there is a flood of 77Ws available.

I'm sure ANA took good care of their aircraft, but IAI Bedek is going to be so busy converting 77Ws and (I assume) later 77Ls that they won't have time gor 76E certification.

I just reread what I wrote. Covid19 definitely rewrote the rules... Only because 77W resale values tanked ~30% do I dismiss 77E conversions being a great business case...

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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:08 am

YYZORD wrote:
LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.

jbs2886 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
I assume that ORD, IAH, and IAD will become 789 routes if NH is retiring 13 777-300ER's?


Why? They still have 15 77Ws.



It may be that the routes that go to Haneda remain with Boeing 777-300ER which is where the premium demand

HND- JFK / LAX / IAH / IAD / SFO / ORD / LHR / FRA / MUC

While those who are to Narita can stay with Boeing 787-9

NRT- LAX / SFO / ORD / JFK
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:37 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.

jbs2886 wrote:

Why? They still have 15 77Ws.



It may be that the routes that go to Haneda remain with Boeing 777-300ER which is where the premium demand

HND- JFK / LAX / IAH / IAD / SFO / ORD / LHR / FRA / MUC

While those who are to Narita can stay with Boeing 787-9

NRT- LAX / SFO / ORD / JFK


Thats an issue because ORD and JFK HND slots are in such timing that aircrafts in both routes need to stay a few hours before departure from ORD and JFK. That is why a flight goes HND-ORD-NRT so that the aircraft could leave the airport earlier. I flew ORD-HND and back and found this out while flying NH.
 
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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:17 am

YYZORD wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
LAX, JFK, SFO, FRA, MUC, and LHR are more profitable than the 3 US routes I mentioned so they need 77Ws too.




It may be that the routes that go to Haneda remain with Boeing 777-300ER which is where the premium demand

HND- JFK / LAX / IAH / IAD / SFO / ORD / LHR / FRA / MUC

While those who are to Narita can stay with Boeing 787-9

NRT- LAX / SFO / ORD / JFK


Thats an issue because ORD and JFK HND slots are in such timing that aircrafts in both routes need to stay a few hours before departure from ORD and JFK. That is why a flight goes HND-ORD-NRT so that the aircraft could leave the airport earlier. I flew ORD-HND and back and found this out while flying NH.

Their HND day slot does not restrict them on which particular time to arrive.

Rather, the move is to facilitate transits both way at NRT since NRT is more a transit hub. They either have to let the plane sitting 24h on east coast (like JL did), or be creative and put the rotation between HND flights (which was what they chose to do).

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Re: Updated: ANA to retire 35 aircraft in 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:05 am

lightsaber wrote:
jagraham wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Bedek started the program ages ago, if my memory serves it started as early as 2014 and never went anywhere. This obviously tells something about 77E.

GE involvement was a recent development.

Michael


Floor beams, where the big innovation happened, are pretty much the same. So a 77E conversion is quite doable.

But it's more realizable with an investor. GE invested in the 77W since all 77Ws have GE engines. Even though the 77W is somewhat more problematic, being longer.

Anyway, Bedek did it. And without replacing the floor beams. The trail has been blazed.

While I agree the development is complete, the 777s all stayed in demand until Covid19. So 77Es, the next most likely candidate after 77W and 77L, mostly have a lot of use While ANA has some young examples, I'm not sure there is enough 77E stock with moderate utilization when there is a flood of 77Ws available.

I'm sure ANA took good care of their aircraft, but IAI Bedek is going to be so busy converting 77Ws and (I assume) later 77Ls that they won't have time gor 76E certification.

I just reread what I wrote. Covid19 definitely rewrote the rules... Only because 77W resale values tanked ~30% do I dismiss 77E conversions being a great business case...

The world is upside down.

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The world is upside down indeed! The 77W is less than the 77E. When at something over 9 hours (8 for the 77L) the 77W burns less fuel than a 77E (why 77Es never got wingtip devices, I don't know . . . ). Literally free seats on long haul, but not apparent by the residual value . . upside down!
 
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ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:11 pm

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

I am a bit surprised to read this. It was reported that ANA is retiring a number of 77Ws, but scrapping? On the other hand, dozens of 77Ws are being retired or put in longterm storage these days. ANA, NZZ, CX, EK etc., too many to be all candidates for the Bedek freighter conversion program. Two ex Jet Aw 77Ws have also been reported being sent for scrapping.
 
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:15 pm

Why would it stop in ANC? A 777W could easily go non-stop right?
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:34 pm

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Why would it stop in ANC? A 777W could easily go non-stop right?

Presumably to clear customs.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:37 pm

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Why would it stop in ANC? A 777W could easily go non-stop right?


Depends on how functional everything is onboard..

As for scrapping: possibly, but Skyliner’s fate determination usually has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. They have been incorrect on many occasions.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:37 pm

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Why would it stop in ANC? A 777W could easily go non-stop right?


There aren't CBP facilities at MHV, non-US inbound crew need to receive border clearance.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:44 pm

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Why would it stop in ANC? A 777W could easily go non-stop right?


ANC is a pretty big cargo hub, they may have taken freight from NRT to ANC and then picked some up.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:44 pm

Skyliner has a tendency to list everything going to MHV as part out and scrap (which, granted, happens a lot at MHV). I wouldn’t take everything they say as gospel until there is confirmation elsewhere.
 
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:10 pm

It's a 15 year old frame, there are younger 777-300ERs available for the 2nd hand market of conversion.

The parts of these scrapped planes will be very welcome in the market, with so few 777-300ER scrapped so far there will not be a overload of 777-300ER specific parts available in the market place.
 
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:18 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
It's a 15 year old frame, there are younger 777-300ERs available for the 2nd hand market of conversion.

The parts of these scrapped planes will be very welcome in the market, with so few 777-300ER scrapped so far there will not be a overload of 777-300ER specific parts available in the market place.


And there will be plenty more to follow.... a handful initially from ANA and plenty from other carriers. Goodness only knows what will happen to the NZ 77W which are considerably younger - some discussion in the NZ forum suggests that they won't return to service with NZ as passenger aircraft.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:46 pm

The young Jet Airways 777-300ERs are being scrapped due to the airline doing an awful job at keeping maintenance records. Several of the aircraft recycling companies wouldn't even touch them since so many parts would not be serviceable and taggable.

This ANA bird, and a few of her sisters, have some companies lined up for her parts (like mentioned above) since there is a big demand with not too many being scrapped these days.
 
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:52 pm

I can’t comment too much on this subject, but I can say that JA733A is RETIRED from ANA’s fleet, and that she won’t be the last one. I’d keep an eye out at MHV over the next few months, there’s still a ton of interesting stuff to come from what I’ve heard.
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Re: ANA 777-300ER for scrap (?)

Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:53 pm

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but scrapping? On the other hand, dozens of 77Ws are being retired or put in longterm storage these days. ANA, NZZ, CX, EK etc., too many to be all candidates for the Bedek freighter conversion program.


IAI has stated they are going to convert 6 to 9 777s annually, production ramping up from 2022. It is optimistic to hope that any significant number of 777-300ERs will avoid the scrapper.

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