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Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:42 am

Hi A.Netter’s,

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020.

Link to the October thread

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:08 am

DFAT has issued a 'Do not Travel' warning for the US, citing the risk of unrest over the election period. A moot point, given that Australian citizens & perm. residents require a permit to leave Australia ATM, but in normal times, this would have been huge news, given the amount of travel between Australia-US normally.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... b797613b41
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:36 am

Singapore is open to Victorians as of 06 Nov 2020 - although I bet few would be utilising this given most people are still officially banned from leaving the country

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... rangements

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:51 am

eamondzhang wrote:
Singapore is open to Victorians as of 06 Nov 2020 - although I bet few would be utilising this given most people are still officially banned from leaving the country

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... rangements

Michael


Interesting. I could go back to Singapore in a heartbeat. Loved my first time experience in Feb/Mar this year before the lockdowns started. Certainly a few things I couldn’t get to that I’d still like to see.

Would prefer to do it if I can follow on from there to The Gulf and Europe. But Europe is off limits, again. :banghead:
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:29 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Singapore is open to Victorians as of 06 Nov 2020 - although I bet few would be utilising this given most people are still officially banned from leaving the country

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... rangements

Michael


Interesting. I could go back to Singapore in a heartbeat. Loved my first time experience in Feb/Mar this year before the lockdowns started. Certainly a few things I couldn’t get to that I’d still like to see.

Would prefer to do it if I can follow on from there to The Gulf and Europe. But Europe is off limits, again. :banghead:

Well in all seriousness, if we ignore the DFAT ban on international travel, we can't even get to QLD before Singapore! How funny is that :banghead:

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:08 am

eamondzhang wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Singapore is open to Victorians as of 06 Nov 2020 - although I bet few would be utilising this given most people are still officially banned from leaving the country

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... rangements

Michael


Interesting. I could go back to Singapore in a heartbeat. Loved my first time experience in Feb/Mar this year before the lockdowns started. Certainly a few things I couldn’t get to that I’d still like to see.

Would prefer to do it if I can follow on from there to The Gulf and Europe. But Europe is off limits, again. :banghead:

Well in all seriousness, if we ignore the DFAT ban on international travel, we can't even get to QLD before Singapore! How funny is that :banghead:

Michael


While I get what you’re saying, if you are on Australian citizen or permanent resident you would need a permit to leave, whereas if you are on a temporary visa you would be welcome to leave but probably won’t be allowed back in again. Basically no tourists would be able to take this up, only people who need to travel to Singapore for “essential” travel or compassionate grounds
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:57 am

RyanairGuru wrote:

While I get what you’re saying, if you are on Australian citizen or permanent resident you would need a permit to leave, whereas if you are on a temporary visa you would be welcome to leave but probably won’t be allowed back in again. Basically no tourists would be able to take this up, only people who need to travel to Singapore for “essential” travel or compassionate grounds

Oh yeah, that's why I said if we ignore DFAT ban lol

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:37 pm

Yes it seems next to useless for these countries to try and open their borders to Australians at this stage in the vast majority of cases. At least it will be something that anyone requiring essential or compassionate travel to those locations can utilise though.

Also interesting to see that South Korea is pushing a message to get Australian’s to consider travelling there, however at 100 new cases a day it’s a long time until that’s a realistic travel bubble idea. States won’t even open to each other here with averages of 2 cases a day over 14 days, with multiple days of 0 cases in a row.

I really do fear for what the aviation industry will look like after this pandemic, as those riding it out so far will all face a point that things tip into a very difficult time staying afloat. For such a capital intensive industry, with high fixed costs, it gets messy quite fast.

Hopefully more state borders can reopen soon. Even without Qld opening their borders, there’s plenty of upside if the 2 biggest states can access each other and other states. People will just look at other options.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm

It's not useless for Singapore to accept people from Melbourne if not reciprocated. In fact it may give it a kick along to open up from Australia's end. One side has to make the first move. It says that Singapore (and any future country) is open for business for tourists to come and visit, so that when DFAT allow Australian residents to leave, bingo, there is somewhere to go.

It could've worked the other way with DFAT saying you can leave Australia but then no other country letting Australian residents in, and then have to wait for approval from the other end.

Either way, good for one side to be open. Now need to wait for the other.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:41 pm

To be pedantic, it’s not DFAT - which is why I didn’t understand eamondzhang’s post. DFAT have a “do not travel” advisory for the whole world, but are not responsible for the border decision. The decision to close borders, require a permit system, hotel quarantine etc were made personally by the PM, Cabinet and National Cabinet, and Home Affairs is responsible for the border permit system, enforcing the border closure etc
(but not quarantine, as we learned in the Ruby Princess debacle!)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:39 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
To be pedantic, it’s not DFAT - which is why I didn’t understand eamondzhang’s post. DFAT have a “do not travel” advisory for the whole world, but are not responsible for the border decision. The decision to close borders, require a permit system, hotel quarantine etc were made personally by the PM, Cabinet and National Cabinet, and Home Affairs is responsible for the border permit system, enforcing the border closure etc
(but not quarantine, as we learned in the Ruby Princess debacle!)

Well you got this spot on... I was always thinking of DFAT when I posted yesterday - probably had too much alcohol as we enjoyed our first weekend of relative freedom. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Thanks for the correction!

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:26 am

Sorry, I should have clarified my comment about visiting SIN, and thereafter, as wishful/hopefull thinking. As much as I wanted to visit my parents living siblings in Europe this year, my intention was to divide the journey into sections. It would have been BNE-SIN, SIN-DXB, DXB-DUS, AMS-ARN, ARN-DXB, DXB-BNE.

I was even thinking of some Middle East extensions like DXB-MUS-DXB, and DXB-AMM-DXB before Düsseldorf.

But sadly we’ve had CoVid, and I also lost a couple of Aunts during this time.

Just keeping my fingers crossed that there will be a bubble between Aus and Nz by Christmas, so I can resume a holiday planned for earlier this year.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:02 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
To be pedantic, it’s not DFAT - which is why I didn’t understand eamondzhang’s post. DFAT have a “do not travel” advisory for the whole world, but are not responsible for the border decision. The decision to close borders, require a permit system, hotel quarantine etc were made personally by the PM, Cabinet and National Cabinet, and Home Affairs is responsible for the border permit system, enforcing the border closure etc
(but not quarantine, as we learned in the Ruby Princess debacle!)

Well you got this spot on... I was always thinking of DFAT when I posted yesterday - probably had too much alcohol as we enjoyed our first weekend of relative freedom. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Thanks for the correction!

Michael


No problems, and I think you deserved every drop of it!!

I wasn’t trying to be snarky, I just interpreted your original post as referring to the DFAT “do not travel” advice, without factoring in border restrictions.

But I understand your underlying premise: if you need to travel for compassionate reasons, and therefore eligible to leave the country, Victorians can enter Singapore but would still need 14 days quarantine in every Australian state or territory.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:25 am

Great view of the Aircraft Storage of ASP when I flew in this afternoon. Saw plenty of Cathay tails and quite a few Scoot. Couldn’t spot anything from Singapore from my view from the runway. Did see Fiji’s 737-MAX which I’m guessing might be there for quite some time.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:18 am

According to australianaviation.com.au former Virgin Australia B737 VH-VUF is off to REX...
Are there aircraft painting facilities in Wagga Wagga that could accommodate a B737? Or would we be seeing these aircraft head up to Townsville for their new lick of paint?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:47 pm

It appears the federal government is reviewing security screening requirements at regional airports, rather than having a blanket rule for aircraft over a certain capacity/MTOW, each airport will be risk assessed. From the article Barcaldine and Longreach (both Q400 ports) already have an exemption for security screening. Cloncurry will no longer screen passengers from 19 December.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/security-screening-removed-at-regional-australian-airports/12845286

Quite interesting that it appears that they're happy to have no security screening at Cloncurry which regularly sees Fokker 100s, especially after the threshold tightened from 20t MTOW to 40 pax capacity not so long ago.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:56 pm

More coming out about Rex Boeing 737s, that first B737 spotted last week will be headed to Sydney with "proving flights (still in a de-branded white livery) in early December". Wonder when and where it'll be painted?

At least three jets – one of them the airline’s nominal flagship, bearing the registration VH-REX – will take part in the March 1 launch of Sydney-Melbourne flights, with three more now slated to be in place by early April. Those six Boeing 737s all date from the Virgin Blue era and carry an average age of 11.5 years, predating the release of the later Virgin Australia aircraft featuring the modern 'Boeing Sky Interior'.


Looks like Rex got the cheapest planes to do the job. I still wonder if they'll also try to pick up the Tigerar B737s which had an all-economy layout?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... urne-route
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:20 am

vhqpa wrote:
It appears the federal government is reviewing security screening requirements at regional airports, rather than having a blanket rule for aircraft over a certain capacity/MTOW, each airport will be risk assessed. From the article Barcaldine and Longreach (both Q400 ports) already have an exemption for security screening. Cloncurry will no longer screen passengers from 19 December.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/security-screening-removed-at-regional-australian-airports/12845286

Quite interesting that it appears that they're happy to have no security screening at Cloncurry which regularly sees Fokker 100s, especially after the threshold tightened from 20t MTOW to 40 pax capacity not so long ago.


Are all of these mostly FIFO ports? If yes, the passenger makeup would make the risk low. I'd suspect the argumant would be "it's 99% the same guys every week on these flights, why are we forced to screen in this way?"
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 am

NSW will reopen its borders to Victoria on 23/11. Great news for VA and QF as it reopens the busiest air corridor in Australia.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:05 am

vhqpa wrote:
It appears the federal government is reviewing security screening requirements at regional airports, rather than having a blanket rule for aircraft over a certain capacity/MTOW, each airport will be risk assessed. From the article Barcaldine and Longreach (both Q400 ports) already have an exemption for security screening. Cloncurry will no longer screen passengers from 19 December.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/security-screening-removed-at-regional-australian-airports/12845286

Quite interesting that it appears that they're happy to have no security screening at Cloncurry which regularly sees Fokker 100s, especially after the threshold tightened from 20t MTOW to 40 pax capacity not so long ago.


What happens with connecting flights? Will these pax from Longreach have to go through security in BNE before boarding their connecting flight to SYD? Or will they enter airside like usual domestic pax. I believe in NZ when a flight from an unscreened airport lands in AKL the pax will deboard to landside and then have to go thorough screening if they’re catching another flight. If this situation is replicated in Aus will there need to be any terminal reconfigurations in BNE?
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:23 am

a320fan wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
It appears the federal government is reviewing security screening requirements at regional airports, rather than having a blanket rule for aircraft over a certain capacity/MTOW, each airport will be risk assessed. From the article Barcaldine and Longreach (both Q400 ports) already have an exemption for security screening. Cloncurry will no longer screen passengers from 19 December.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/security-screening-removed-at-regional-australian-airports/12845286

Quite interesting that it appears that they're happy to have no security screening at Cloncurry which regularly sees Fokker 100s, especially after the threshold tightened from 20t MTOW to 40 pax capacity not so long ago.


What happens with connecting flights? Will these pax from Longreach have to go through security in BNE before boarding their connecting flight to SYD? Or will they enter airside like usual domestic pax. I believe in NZ when a flight from an unscreened airport lands in AKL the pax will deboard to landside and then have to go thorough screening if they’re catching another flight. If this situation is replicated in Aus will there need to be any terminal reconfigurations in BNE?

Yes, they will have to clear security as they alight from the bus and before they enter the terminal concourse. All major airports already have these security points in place.
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:14 am

Re: Vic/NSW border re-opening on 23rd of November, QF has 11x daily MEL-SYD flights in December. Seeing 3x daily MEL-NTL and 1x daily on MEL-BNK on JQ too.

AVV-SYD 5x daily on JQ in December and 13-14x daily MEL-SYD on JQ in December.

VA only has 4x MEL-SYD (at time of writing!). Don't see Rex schedules (i.e MEL-WGA) online yet.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:18 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN2750EX

Some suggestions from analysts that QF could follow VA into unbundling some Y fares (e.g charging for bags), and rolling back the TransCon meal service into a basic food/snack service (as VA strongly considers returning to BoB in Y across all routes including TransCon and Short Haul Int'l*.

*From whichever the border 'bubble' to NZ /Pacific Islands opens, Including the short haul int'l routes currently proposed to be operated by Alliance (POM/HIR).
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:21 am

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Re: Vic/NSW border re-opening on 23rd of November, QF has 11x daily MEL-SYD flights in December. Seeing 3x daily MEL-NTL and 1x daily on MEL-BNK on JQ too.

VA only has 4x MEL-SYD (at time of writing!). Don't see Rex schedules (i.e MEL-WGA) online yet.

It will be interesting to see how these flight numbers grow. I assume the airlines will keep a close eye on the bookings and adjust the number of flights accordingly. You would think QF would like to be around 15-20 flights per day fairly quickly and VA would like to be over 10.
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:26 am

^ Ive edited my original post since you quoted it but there will be more JQ flights than QF on MEL-SYD in December! (Sit back and take that in for a second!).
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:38 am

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^ Ive edited my original post since you quoted it but there will be more JQ flights than QF on MEL-SYD in December! (Sit back and take that in for a second!).

Likely reflecting the fact there’s going to be more leisure and VFR type demand initially over corporate which will largely stick to work from home and teleconferencing ways of operating for a whilst yet.
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:43 am

SCFlyer wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-airlines-strategy-focus/new-virgin-australia-strategy-spells-end-of-business-travel-arms-race-idUSKBN2750EX

Some suggestions from analysts that QF could follow VA into unbundling some Y fares (e.g charging for bags), and rolling back the TransCon meal service into a basic food/snack service (as VA strongly considers returning to BoB in Y across all routes including TransCon and Short Haul Int'l*.

*From whichever the border 'bubble' to NZ /Pacific Islands opens, Including the short haul int'l routes currently proposed to be operated by Alliance (POM/HIR).

It will be very tempting for QF to throttle back on some items as a cost-saving measure. Whilst I doubt they would follow VA into charging for bags, though it could be possible on their cheapest fares, I wouldn't be surprised to see things like free unlimited WiFi and A332's on trans-continental flights being removed. Likewise, I would be surprised to see QF charging for regular drinks on board but the catering may take a step back. Covid presents the ideal time to move to an all-boxed drop and run arrangement for cheap and cheerful Y class meals under the cover of "passenger safety."

BA is significantly winding back the status credits it offer on short to mid-haul sectors; QF may be tempted to follow too if it believes its hand in the corporate market has been strengthened by VA's downsizing.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:38 am

tayser wrote:
Re: Vic/NSW border re-opening on 23rd of November, QF has 11x daily MEL-SYD flights in December. Seeing 3x daily MEL-NTL and 1x daily on MEL-BNK on JQ too.

AVV-SYD 5x daily on JQ in December and 13-14x daily MEL-SYD on JQ in December.

VA only has 4x MEL-SYD (at time of writing!). Don't see Rex schedules (i.e MEL-WGA) online yet.


Just to add one more in, ZL does have MEL-MIM from 24/11 bookable online.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:21 am

QF is Going to operate 73H aircraft SYD - BNK. They will operate in conjunction with the current DH4. Commencement date seems to be from 09 November according to QF.com

Have heard (and I want to stress) a rumour that there will be further repatriation flights that QF will perform on behalf of DFAT. The rumoured routes to include Paris, Frankfurt, (ops by 787-9 epq) and MNL, BKK (ops by 330 equipment). No dates at this stage for these aditional repat flights as it is in the early stages of planning.

Also the upcoming JNB repatriatoin flight will be operating via PER.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:03 am

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What happens with connecting flights? Will these pax from Longreach have to go through security in BNE before boarding their connecting flight to SYD? Or will they enter airside like usual domestic pax. I believe in NZ when a flight from an unscreened airport lands in AKL the pax will deboard to landside and then have to go thorough screening if they’re catching another flight. If this situation is replicated in Aus will there need to be any terminal reconfigurations in BNE?


This is how it already is for Longreach passengers. When I went to visit the Qantas museum in 2017, I was flying to SYD and connecting in BNE. I was really annoyed we got thrown out into baggage claim and I had to go back through security again to get my connection to SYD. Now I know why!

tullamarine wrote:
BA is significantly winding back the status credits it offer on short to mid-haul sectors; QF may be tempted to follow too if it believes its hand in the corporate market has been strengthened by VA's downsizing.


BA haven't wound back any status credits it offers on short to mid-haul sectors at all.

In July, some of the destinations that moved from LGW to LHR (Funchal, Heraklion, Paphos and Tirana) reduced earning from 80 tier points each way to 40. Turns out this was just a computer error which was subsequently corrected.

Otherwise, there are no changes in tier point/status credit earnings at BA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:49 pm

a320fan wrote:
tayser wrote:
^ Ive edited my original post since you quoted it but there will be more JQ flights than QF on MEL-SYD in December! (Sit back and take that in for a second!).

Likely reflecting the fact there’s going to be more leisure and VFR type demand initially over corporate which will largely stick to work from home and teleconferencing ways of operating for a whilst yet.


Especially in December/January, which is slow for business travel even in a normal year.

With all due respect, I think Tullamarine is being very optimistic with 15-20 daily Qantas flights on SYD-MEL. If we see that level of capacity before March I will be very pleasantly surprised.
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Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:27 pm

Latest images of ASP appears as though further expansion is well under way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLviX_Bp7B ... klcp252m7v

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:44 pm

EK413 wrote:
Latest images of ASP appears as though further expansion is well under way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLviX_Bp7B ... klcp252m7v

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CGRUUzGhRv3 ... exwpqkmh9c

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Some great photos there! Is that two Nauru Airlines 737s parked at the bottom of the second image? I would have thought they would have continued to be busy during COVID with freight operations at least?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:07 am

Good luck getting one of those SQ A380s out in a hrurry!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:09 am

Apology if this has been mentioned

QANTAS TO FLY DIRECT FROM HOBART TO PERTH

Qantas will for the first time fly direct between Hobart and Perth following the easing of border restrictions between Western Australia and Tasmania.
The new route will launch on Saturday 14 November 2020 with flights operating three days per week with a Boeing 737 aircraft. Flights will initially operate until 31 January 2021, adding more than 6000 seats between Hobart and Perth over the summer season. Qantas will look to add more flights beyond this eleven-week period if there is demand.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -to-perth/


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:38 am

EK413 wrote:
Apology if this has been mentioned

QANTAS TO FLY DIRECT FROM HOBART TO PERTH

Qantas will for the first time fly direct between Hobart and Perth following the easing of border restrictions between Western Australia and Tasmania.
The new route will launch on Saturday 14 November 2020 with flights operating three days per week with a Boeing 737 aircraft. Flights will initially operate until 31 January 2021, adding more than 6000 seats between Hobart and Perth over the summer season. Qantas will look to add more flights beyond this eleven-week period if there is demand.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -to-perth/


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Sensible move. Seasonal PER-HBA was a bit of a quiet achiever for VA before the pandemic.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:17 am

Do we know if VA will move back to T1 in Perth, or will they stay at T2?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:30 am

qf2220 wrote:
Good luck getting one of those SQ A380s out in a hrurry!


I don't think they will be going anywhere in a hurry :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:13 am

anstar wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Good luck getting one of those SQ A380s out in a hrurry!


I don't think they will be going anywhere in a hurry :)



I wonder how parked in those 737 Maxs are as they are the most likely to leave before the others
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:00 am

tayser wrote:
^ Ive edited my original post since you quoted it but there will be more JQ flights than QF on MEL-SYD in December! (Sit back and take that in for a second!).

I was surprised but not surprised too - but that's given I did not check later dates in December yesterday

When I checked this arvo JQ is having 16 MEL-SYD flights Fri-Sun on two weekends before Christmas! I would seriously hope this happens

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:09 am

Not surprising JQ will have more flights between SYD-MEL as I reckon most of the pent up demand is for VFR/Leisure travel. Business travel will take longer especially as most people are still working from home.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:38 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Do we know if VA will move back to T1 in Perth, or will they stay at T2?

PAPL have said nothing so far. Every weekly schedule update they send to stakeholders still indicates T1D will remain closed until further notice.
They've also been in the process of trying to fill all remaining retail vacancies across T2 / T3 / T4 with retailers that were previously located in T1D which really doesn't bode well for the short term future of the terminal.

As much as it would seem like a perfect scenario for QF / JQ / TL to move to T1D / T2 and for Virgin to stick with T2, I just can't see it happening from a capacity perspective, mostly due to the sheer volume of FIFO charters departing between 5am-7:30am on weekdays. T2 / T3 / T4 runs over capacity during those hours a few days a week already as it is now (generally Tuesdays and Thursdays).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:10 am

anstar wrote:
Not surprising JQ will have more flights between SYD-MEL as I reckon most of the pent up demand is for VFR/Leisure travel. Business travel will take longer especially as most people are still working from home.


Barring any more flare-ups, I'd say it would be well into next year before business travel starts to recover. My employer (Fed. government department) has virtually banned travel for the duration, those who are in the office must stick to their 'home' office, and are unable to visit other our offices in the same city. And with distancing, even meetings that would normally be on-site are now done over Webex. When things are back to something approaching normal, I'd say the days of flying MEL-SYD for a 2 hour meeting are over.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:22 am

Foopz wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
Do we know if VA will move back to T1 in Perth, or will they stay at T2?

PAPL have said nothing so far. Every weekly schedule update they send to stakeholders still indicates T1D will remain closed until further notice.
They've also been in the process of trying to fill all remaining retail vacancies across T2 / T3 / T4 with retailers that were previously located in T1D which really doesn't bode well for the short term future of the terminal.

As much as it would seem like a perfect scenario for QF / JQ / TL to move to T1D / T2 and for Virgin to stick with T2, I just can't see it happening from a capacity perspective, mostly due to the sheer volume of FIFO charters departing between 5am-7:30am on weekdays. T2 / T3 / T4 runs over capacity during those hours a few days a week already as it is now (generally Tuesdays and Thursdays).


Thanks for the update. Its interesting, as its the only purpose built VA terminal in the country. Agree, its not big enough for QF operations sadly, although it could be an easy extension to the international terminal - not exactly critical either now. In MEL they have their own terminal which was too small previously but now actually might be a better fit.

RE traffic levels, indeed i think it will be a long ramp up of business traffic. I also wonder what proportion of domestic travel was people connecting to/from intl flights and overseas tourists flying around? 10%?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:32 am

anstar wrote:
Not surprising JQ will have more flights between SYD-MEL as I reckon most of the pent up demand is for VFR/Leisure travel. Business travel will take longer especially as most people are still working from home.


Add to that, that JQ will have an much lower cost base than QF Mainline. Which would make a lot of sense for QF to be making the most of that in the current times.

With the current state of VA, QF doesn’t need to maintain its mainline operation to the same level it used till (well until REX starts)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:34 am

FL420FT wrote:
QF is Going to operate 73H aircraft SYD - BNK. They will operate in conjunction with the current DH4. Commencement date seems to be from 09 November according to QF.com


I'm on one of these next week. It was a very pleasant surprise when the work travel agent sent through a schedule change alert. The few Q400s that have had cabin upgrades are nice, but quite a few of the fleet look and feel very tired inside.

QF has had a bit of a rough trot at times with their on time performance with their 3-4 Q400 flights a day in and out of BNK. I guess that's a symptom of still operating a skeleton fleet - no easy substitutes if a frame goes tech or is otherwise delayed. BNK ground staff have at times seemed overwhelmed too. From what I can tell, the same contractors service QF and VA flights. The terminal - although recently renovated and enlarged - has been heaving under the uptick in intra-state travel the past few months.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:37 am

Ex. Virgin Australia Boeing B737-800 VH-VUF has flown in from Wellcamp QLD & will become the first aircraft in the new Regional Express (Rex) B738 Fleet (VA Titles Removed).

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHMry8kBU89 ... 8xh01b0uxl

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:51 pm

The last of the ex Austrian Fokker 70s is on its delivery flight from BTS to Australia. VH-NUY is a 25 year old airframe in shiny new Alliance livery.

https://www.planes.cz/cs/photo/1241259/ ... a-bts-lzib
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:07 pm

Rex confirms the launch of BNE fights in early April. Interesting because until now they'd only announced SYD-MEL from 1 March, and John Sharp had previously said SYD-MEL would get all six B737s and BNE would come later after more B737s.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:19 am

High court rules in favour of the border closures. The constitution argument against the border closures is over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/clive-palmer-loses-high-court-challenge-against-wa-border-close/12855286
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