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Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:30 pm

While waiting for the opening of the extended storage facility in Alice Springs, Cathay Pacific has temporarily parked four of their aircraft at Sydney Airport. The aircraft and their Build Year are :-

A330-300 B-LBJ 2015
B777-300ER B-KQP 2014
B777-300ER B-KQD 2013
B777-300ER B-KQX 2015

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:11 pm

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So Leisure/VFR is where it's at, at least for the next year or so, all going well.


The recovery of the Australian Domestic market will be very similar to the New Zealand one which is already back to 90-95% of pre-covid capacity.

The major change is the type of passengers flying now, and that of schedule to meet more of an leisure demand.

You take AKL-WLG/CHC there is currently less flights than pre-covid but at peak leisure times there is now a321NEOs operating those flights.

Or AKL-ZQN some weeks, there is now more flights then pre-covid.

I would expect that SYD-MEL/BNE would be the same in taking an while to build back up. While at the same time capacity and new leaisuere routes will pop up.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:25 pm

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While waiting for the opening of the extended storage facility in Alice Springs, Cathay Pacific has temporarily parked four of their aircraft at Sydney Airport. The aircraft and their Build Year are :-

A330-300 B-LBJ 2015
B777-300ER B-KQP 2014
B777-300ER B-KQD 2013
B777-300ER B-KQX 2015

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CHh8IjvBxcg ... wsc2wi0phk


By my count there are now over 40 CX 777 parked in Australia, including these three in SYD and another in MEL. It will be interestiong to see whether B-KQT today also stays.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:33 am

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VCVSpotter wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Unlike ZNL and ZNM, ZNN entered storage without being in full QF livery, was this aircraft due for a special paint job

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https://twitter.com/jenschuld/status/13 ... 00321?s=21


Given that a Qatar 789 flew to VCV unpainted, it seems like Boeing doesn’t want to paint an aircraft that will just sit in the desert fading away for a year or more. It makes sense financially too since they wouldn’t have to repaint it for the customer on final delivery.

Financiers and lessors prefer white if there is absolutely any risk the aircraft may not return to an operator. Ditto for pods. And a white exterior means a cooler interior.


From what I heard from QF TownHalls a few weeks ago is this and one other(?) of the new 787's are still owned by Boeing not Qantas, so I guess that might be the one of the reason for not being painted into full QF livery as they are not yet delivered to the airline.

Also the I think the aircraft are registered as 'N' not VH (officially)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:16 am

ZNN was reportedly a "logo" jet that didn't get painted due to COVID.

The three QF B789 at VCV have never been tested & checked by QF so I expect that ALL three are still owned by Boeing.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:18 am

Update on ASP storage, here is a complete list of what is in storage at ASP. Overall 129 aircraft are at ASP now in storage with another 6 CX aircraft at SYD and MEL

The following photos have hit the database over the past couple of days





ALLIANCE (2)

F100 - 2 (VH-VKN,VH-VKQ)

CATHAY DRAGON (17)

A320-200 - 8 (B-HSI, B-HSJ, B-HSK, B-HSL, B-HSM, B-HSN, B-HSR, B-HSU)

A321-200 - 3 (B-HTD, B-HTE, B-HTJ)

A330-300 - 6 (B-HLN, B-HLT, B-HYG, B-HYI, B-HYJ, B-HYQ)

CATHAY PACIFIC (51 + 6)

A330-300 - 9 + 2 (B-HLP, B-HLR, B-HLS, B-HLU, B-HLV, B-LAD, B-LAF, B-LAJ, B-LAQ) plus B-HLQ currently storing in MEL and B-LBJ in SYD

777-300 - 17 (B-HNE, B-HNF, B-HNG, B-HNH, B-HNI, B-HNJ, B-HNK, B-HNM, B-HNN, B-HNO, B-HNP, B-HNQ, B-HNS, B-HNU, B-HNV, B-HNW, B-HNX)

777-300/ER - 25 + 4 (B-KPA, B-KPD, B-KPE, B-KPF, B-KPJ, B-KPL, B-KPM, B-KPN, B-KPQ, B-KPR, B-KPS, B-KPV, B-KPW, B-KPX, B-KPZ, B-KQC, B-KQE, B-KQI, B-KQK, B-KQL, B-KQM, B-KQN, B-KQO, B-KQS, B-KQZ) plus B-KQY currently storing in MEL and B-KQD, B-KQP and B-KQX in SYD

CEBU PACIFIC (15)

A320-200 - 2 (RP-C3249, RP-C3266)

A321-200 - 7 (RP-C4111, RP-C4112, RP-C4113, RP-C4114, RP-C4115, RP-C4116, RP-C4117)

A330-300 - 2 (RP-C3341, RP-C3342)

ATR76 - 4 (RPC-7284, RP-C7285, RP-C7286, RP-C7287)

FIJI AIRWAYS (2)

737MAX8 - 2 (DQ-FAB, DQ-FAD)

HONG KONG EXPRESS (11)

A321-200 - 11 (B-LEB, B-LEC, B-LED, B-LEE, B-LEF, B-LEG, B-LEH, B-LEI, B-LEJ, B-LEK, B-LEL)

NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)

SCOOT (6)

A320-200 - 3 (9V-TAN, 9V-TAU, 9V-TAV)

787-8 - 3 (9V-OFB, 9V-OFD, 9V-OFG)

SILKAIR (6)

737MAX8 - 6 (9V-MBA, 9V-MBB, 9V-MBC, 9V-MBD, 9V-MBE, 9V-MBF)

SINGAPORE AIRLINES (10)

A380-800 - 7 (9V-SKK, 9V-SKP, 9V-SKQ, 9V-SKT, 9V-SKW, 9V-SKY, 9V-SKZ)

777-200 - 3 (9V-SVB, 9V-SVC, 9V-SVE)

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:23 am

The first Qantas PER-HBA service is now in the air, being operated by 737-800 VH-VZY

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA1002/260a3b4d
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:22 am

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NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)


With these 77E's being around 19-20 years old, chances of them ever leaving ASP in one part seems slim?

qf789 wrote:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)


Assuming these have been returned to lessors? hence why they have gone to ASP.
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:36 am

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qf789 wrote:

NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)


With these 77E's being around 19-20 years old, chances of them ever leaving ASP in one part seems slim?

qf789 wrote:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)


Assuming these have been returned to lessors? hence why they have gone to ASP.



They don’t do scraping at ASP. Maybe they will on future.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:58 am

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The first Qantas PER-HBA service is now in the air, being operated by 737-800 VH-VZY

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA1002/260a3b4d

It is good to see some new and resumed routes during these Covid times. I imagine it would be a case of use-it-or-lose-it for these routes such as SYD-MIM, CBR-MCY, etc.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:06 am

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zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:

NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)


With these 77E's being around 19-20 years old, chances of them ever leaving ASP in one part seems slim?

qf789 wrote:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)


Assuming these have been returned to lessors? hence why they have gone to ASP.



They don’t do scraping at ASP. Maybe they will on future.


https://www.apas.com.au/services/part-out/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:18 am

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My guess is that VA would be requested to hand over/release the TT slots back into the pool if they ain't going to use them.


By the time that VA/QF need all of there current slots, WSZ should be ready which would free up some SYD slots.

Do slots for SYD have an cost attached to them? More once they are adwarded they are free as long as you use them.


SYD slots are free I believe, I could be wrong but the only airport you have to purchase slots is LHR. All others are allocated by slot controlling organisations
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:45 am

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NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)


With these 77E's being around 19-20 years old, chances of them ever leaving ASP in one part seems slim?

qf789 wrote:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)


Assuming these have been returned to lessors? hence why they have gone to ASP.


VOQ isnt a leased frame, its one of the owned ones by VA
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:55 am

VOQ is an 'encumbered' owned frame.

The Bank that has encumbered VOQ is (according to RegoSearch).

Holder Name: JPA NO. 169 CO., LTD.
Holder Address: Kasumigaseki Common Gate West Tower 34F
3-2-1 Kasumigaseki
Chiyoda-ku, Yokyo, 100-0013
Japan
Holder Commence Date: 16 October 2019
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:41 pm

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The first Qantas PER-HBA service is now in the air, being operated by 737-800 VH-VZY

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA1002/260a3b4d


Nice flight number - QF 1000/1001.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 pm

I see VH-ZNJ (Centenary Livery) positioned from BNE to SYD yesterday after being in Brisbane for the last 6 months. Does anyone here know if they have any plans for a Centenary flight or a special event with her in Sydney?
 
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 am

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VOQ is an 'encumbered' owned frame.

The Bank that has encumbered VOQ is (according to RegoSearch).

Holder Name: JPA NO. 169 CO., LTD.
Holder Address: Kasumigaseki Common Gate West Tower 34F
3-2-1 Kasumigaseki
Chiyoda-ku, Yokyo, 100-0013
Japan
Holder Commence Date: 16 October 2019


So likely an frame that VA put up as security last year, on one of there desperate loans they took out for cash flow.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:11 am

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Update on ASP storage, here is a complete list of what is in storage at ASP. Overall 129 aircraft are at ASP now in storage with another 6 CX aircraft at SYD and MEL

The following photos have hit the database over the past couple of days





ALLIANCE (2)

F100 - 2 (VH-VKN,VH-VKQ)

CATHAY DRAGON (17)

A320-200 - 8 (B-HSI, B-HSJ, B-HSK, B-HSL, B-HSM, B-HSN, B-HSR, B-HSU)

A321-200 - 3 (B-HTD, B-HTE, B-HTJ)

A330-300 - 6 (B-HLN, B-HLT, B-HYG, B-HYI, B-HYJ, B-HYQ)

CATHAY PACIFIC (51 + 6)

A330-300 - 9 + 2 (B-HLP, B-HLR, B-HLS, B-HLU, B-HLV, B-LAD, B-LAF, B-LAJ, B-LAQ) plus B-HLQ currently storing in MEL and B-LBJ in SYD

777-300 - 17 (B-HNE, B-HNF, B-HNG, B-HNH, B-HNI, B-HNJ, B-HNK, B-HNM, B-HNN, B-HNO, B-HNP, B-HNQ, B-HNS, B-HNU, B-HNV, B-HNW, B-HNX)

777-300/ER - 25 + 4 (B-KPA, B-KPD, B-KPE, B-KPF, B-KPJ, B-KPL, B-KPM, B-KPN, B-KPQ, B-KPR, B-KPS, B-KPV, B-KPW, B-KPX, B-KPZ, B-KQC, B-KQE, B-KQI, B-KQK, B-KQL, B-KQM, B-KQN, B-KQO, B-KQS, B-KQZ) plus B-KQY currently storing in MEL and B-KQD, B-KQP and B-KQX in SYD

CEBU PACIFIC (15)

A320-200 - 2 (RP-C3249, RP-C3266)

A321-200 - 7 (RP-C4111, RP-C4112, RP-C4113, RP-C4114, RP-C4115, RP-C4116, RP-C4117)

A330-300 - 2 (RP-C3341, RP-C3342)

ATR76 - 4 (RPC-7284, RP-C7285, RP-C7286, RP-C7287)

FIJI AIRWAYS (2)

737MAX8 - 2 (DQ-FAB, DQ-FAD)

HONG KONG EXPRESS (11)

A321-200 - 11 (B-LEB, B-LEC, B-LED, B-LEE, B-LEF, B-LEG, B-LEH, B-LEI, B-LEJ, B-LEK, B-LEL)

NOKSCOOT (7)

777-200 - 7 (HS-XBA, HS-XBB, HS-XBC, HS-XBD, HS-XBE, HS-XBF, HS-XBG)

SCOOT (6)

A320-200 - 3 (9V-TAN, 9V-TAU, 9V-TAV)

787-8 - 3 (9V-OFB, 9V-OFD, 9V-OFG)

SILKAIR (6)

737MAX8 - 6 (9V-MBA, 9V-MBB, 9V-MBC, 9V-MBD, 9V-MBE, 9V-MBF)

SINGAPORE AIRLINES (10)

A380-800 - 7 (9V-SKK, 9V-SKP, 9V-SKQ, 9V-SKT, 9V-SKW, 9V-SKY, 9V-SKZ)

777-200 - 3 (9V-SVB, 9V-SVC, 9V-SVE)

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA (3)

737-800 - 3 (VH-VOQ, VH-VOR, VH-VUD)


Thanks fo collating the list - I've been trying to keep track on another forum of the CX B777s at least. Curiously, B-LBJ (A333) is no longer of 07/25 at SYD with the B777s, but is still showing as being in SYD. Has it been towed somewhere else since Friday?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:41 am

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I see VH-ZNJ (Centenary Livery) positioned from BNE to SYD yesterday after being in Brisbane for the last 6 months. Does anyone here know if they have any plans for a Centenary flight or a special event with her in Sydney?


It is their 100th birthday tomorrow so I guess it is related to that.
 
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:47 am

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JBusworth wrote:
I see VH-ZNJ (Centenary Livery) positioned from BNE to SYD yesterday after being in Brisbane for the last 6 months. Does anyone here know if they have any plans for a Centenary flight or a special event with her in Sydney?


It is their 100th birthday tomorrow so I guess it is related to that.


They are operating a centenary scenic flight tomorrow, QF100 will depart at 1830 and the flight will be for 100 minutes over SYD.

https://airlinehubbuzz.com/qantas-offer ... ic-flight/
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The secrets behind the flying radar ‘Roo’

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Update on ASP storage, here is a complete list of what is in storage at ASP. Overall 129 aircraft are at ASP now in storage with another 6 CX aircraft at SYD and MEL


I saw these planes in ASP yesterday, and the CX ones in SYD.

I’ve worked in modelling the economic impacts of aviation. Those aircraft represent about 1/4 million direct airline and indirect jobs dependent on aviation that have been grounded.

It was a sobering sight to see.
 
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:15 am

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Update on ASP storage, here is a complete list of what is in storage at ASP. Overall 129 aircraft are at ASP now in storage with another 6 CX aircraft at SYD and MEL


I saw these planes in ASP yesterday, and the CX ones in SYD.

I’ve worked in modelling the economic impacts of aviation. Those aircraft represent about 1/4 million direct airline and indirect jobs dependent on aviation that have been grounded.

It was a sobering sight to see.


According to a source B77W B-KQX and the sole A333 B-LBJ are ASP bound tomorrow (Monday).


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Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:37 am

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qf789 wrote:
Update on ASP storage, here is a complete list of what is in storage at ASP. Overall 129 aircraft are at ASP now in storage with another 6 CX aircraft at SYD and MEL


I saw these planes in ASP yesterday, and the CX ones in SYD.

I’ve worked in modelling the economic impacts of aviation. Those aircraft represent about 1/4 million direct airline and indirect jobs dependent on aviation that have been grounded.

It was a sobering sight to see.


According to a source B77W B-KQX and the sole A333 B-LBJ are ASP bound tomorrow (Monday).


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77W B-KPY also positioned from MEL to ASP
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:40 am

It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:00 am

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It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842


Where to? SYD or PER are the only options for intl arrivals at this point, not sure they would carry enough fuel for that?
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:20 am

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It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842


It’s landing in ADL.

MEL received an NZ flight from AKL today.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:25 am

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It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842


It’s landing in ADL.

MEL received an NZ flight from AKL today.


NZ has been flying AKL-MEL 1-2daily the whole time, just on the AKL-MEL sector the flights where cargo only (but taking passengers on the return).

As of Today, anyone that has been in New Zealand for the past 14 days is now welcome in Victoria and flights from New Zealand are allowed to carry passengers to Victoria.

Only Western Australia and Queensland are not allowing people in that have been in New Zealand for the last 14 days.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:42 am

Just saw QR914 touching down about 10 minutes ago from a QF 737 that’s as full as a fat lady’s sock and about to push back for BNE.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:09 am

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Just saw QR914 touching down about 10 minutes ago from a QF 737 that’s as full as a fat lady’s sock and about to push back for BNE.


I guess that’s what happens when the border is about to close again.

Honestly though, trying to run an airline right now would be a nightmare. It’s an hour by hour proposition.

Can only hope that SA can get it under control quickly. One would hope all the key learnings from Vic’s experience and the time other states have had to review their programs would reduce the chances of these things occurring. As SA, NZ and also previous cases in NSW show, no one can let their guard down for a minute in such a high risk program.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:07 pm

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It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842


Where to? SYD or PER are the only options for intl arrivals at this point, not sure they would carry enough fuel for that?


BNE is too, HBA, CBR on request, but naturally no fuel. Gas and Go? Don’t know how long it would take to stand CBR and HBA as they are only on request with prior notice.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:33 pm

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jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
It is being reported that all international flights to ADL are suspended for the rest of the week, effective immediately. QR914 is currently an hour out of ADL or thereabouts, unclear if it will still arrive in ADL or be diverted

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 3d3b124842


Where to? SYD or PER are the only options for intl arrivals at this point, not sure they would carry enough fuel for that?


BNE is too, HBA, CBR on request, but naturally no fuel. Gas and Go? Don’t know how long it would take to stand CBR and HBA as they are only on request with prior notice.


Any late changes to provisioning for quarantine would certainly be a big challenge, just as it was in July when Vic’s program was stopped.

Not exactly easy to have things organised and ready at late notice, so for the next week it’s likely there will be a few very disappointed people who will now have to wait longer to return.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:29 am

Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:56 am

Pcoder wrote:
Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).


Unsure, I would tip VA will defer the 737MAXs indefinitely but I would not be surprised if part (or most) of the 737MAX is swapped out for 789s once long haul travel starts picking up again in 2023 (imo) at the soonest.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:30 pm

Pcoder wrote:
Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).


On the short term I would expect to see those deliveries deferred until 2028, or something like that.

Any decision on Max, 787, or indeed walking away completely, wont be made for several years yet.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:49 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).


On the short term I would expect to see those deliveries deferred until 2028, or something like that.

Any decision on Max, 787, or indeed walking away completely, wont be made for several years yet.


I think that misses the point, the current widebody market is quite depressed and with that you may be able to pick up aircraft for a song. Wait a couple of years and you back to higher prices.

Now they won't be able use these aircraft on the trans pacific flights for a while now but they can be put on the domestic coast to coast flights and golden triangle routes for the time being.

This would also hopefully use up all the deposit for the max, so they can have a bit more flexibility on their future narrowbody fleet without being tied to the max which still has a big shadow over it and will not likely be well received by the travelling public within the next couple of years.

They need to take a little inspiration from Qantas after 2001 who were able to get a great deal on their 737s with the depressed market that forced many other airlines to cancel aircraft that was already in production.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:04 am

The A330s (and a sole 77W - VH-VOZ) are in the process of being returned to lessors, whilst the banks will be disposing of the 'owned 77Ws.

Whether the banks decide to put the ex-VA 77Ws on the market or scrap them will be up to them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:32 am

Virgin/Bain have had plenty of time to plan for what the wanted the airline to look like so it is disappointing that there are many unanswered questions after the “launch” today.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:18 am

More details on Virgin today

Will position as mid market carrier
Will retain business along wing Economy X and economy seating
Complimentary snacks in economy will be replaced with BOB menu, complimentary tea, coffee and water will continue
Onboard WIFI and in flight entertainment still under review
Lounges at SYD, BNE, PER, MEL, ADL and OOL will start opening today
Lounges at DRW, CNS and MKY will close while CBR is still under review
Velocity - no material changes
Aiming to have around a third of the domestic market
VARA to be retained

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 9f2c817489
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:13 am

Pcoder wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).


On the short term I would expect to see those deliveries deferred until 2028, or something like that.

Any decision on Max, 787, or indeed walking away completely, wont be made for several years yet.


I think that misses the point, the current widebody market is quite depressed and with that you may be able to pick up aircraft for a song. Wait a couple of years and you back to higher prices.

Now they won't be able use these aircraft on the trans pacific flights for a while now but they can be put on the domestic coast to coast flights and golden triangle routes for the time being.

This would also hopefully use up all the deposit for the max, so they can have a bit more flexibility on their future narrowbody fleet without being tied to the max which still has a big shadow over it and will not likely be well received by the travelling public within the next couple of years.

They need to take a little inspiration from Qantas after 2001 who were able to get a great deal on their 737s with the depressed market that forced many other airlines to cancel aircraft that was already in production.

It's VERY expensive to have a few widebodies sitting there doing nothing.

And no domestic coast to coast is not returning to the level we saw anytime soon when WA is still effectively semi-independent and shuts out the two largest market. You'd be very lucky to see more than a few daily 737s with current climate and this is likely to continue for a while.

If there's the market QF would have pulled A332s out of storage already.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:17 am

qf789 wrote:
More details on Virgin today

Will position as mid market carrier
Will retain business along wing Economy X and economy seating
Complimentary snacks in economy will be replaced with BOB menu, complimentary tea, coffee and water will continue
Onboard WIFI and in flight entertainment still under review
Lounges at SYD, BNE, PER, MEL, ADL and OOL will start opening today
Lounges at DRW, CNS and MKY will close while CBR is still under review
Velocity - no material changes
Aiming to have around a third of the domestic market
VARA to be retained

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 9f2c817489

From what I read, as a passenger effectively there's nothing changing on the face of it, except the "snacks" which could have gone away anyway

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:30 am

South Australia effectively shutting down for 6 days from Midnight tonight.

Virtually all non-food retail & restaurants/take-away outlets to close. Only allowed out once a day to buy food
Schools & Universities to close
No regional travel or outside excercise (including going out for a walk) allowed
Non-food & medical factories to close
Must be masked-up when not at home

I hope for those in ADL that the restrictions do start to ease after 6 days - will be tougher than the restrictions that we had in MEL, at least we were allowed out to excercise, and also get take-away....


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:01 am

In a complete surprise to no one, those lovers of competition at REX are trying to get the alliance between Alliance and VA stopped. You can't help wondering if REX was trying to get an angle whereby the new owners of VA would offer to buy them. That now looks unlikely and REX is now stuck with a daft mainline strategy that threatens to destroy the whole business. VA or Alliance will be able to get the remnants of REX for virtually nothing in the next few years. https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/11/rex-hits-out-at-virgin-and-alliance-collaboration/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:04 am

I wonder what keeping VARA means? And where physically are the ATRs?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:11 am

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I wonder what keeping VARA means? And where physically are the ATRs?

I assume it means keeping the FIFO operations centred in PER using F100s and A320s. The ATRs are removed from the fleet. Some were in NZ whilst others were parked at MEL. Not sure if this has recently changed.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:23 am

If I recall correctly, VA's ATRs were registered to mainline (originally/formerly Skywest/VARA) prior to administration.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:52 am

VARA nowadays is essentially the old Skywest, isn’t it?

Anyway, nothing too surprising nor earth-shattering on those VA changes - getting rid of snacks for a decent BOB offering is a positive. But otherwise it seems it will pretty much stay in its lane where it was stuck - the aspirational “2nd QF” they were trying to become never eventuated, and most would have perceived them as “middle of the market” anyway.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:53 am

Re: Virgin
Pretty much expected, they’re moving back to the mid market position they occupied 10 years ago. Will be interesting to see how they evolve, but I have a feeling if implemented correctly that middle position could prove more lucrative now than it did in the late 2000s. The big focus needs to be on value and brand image. The brand needs to be fresh, modern and stylish. Feel a little special. I think the brand is pretty good in this regard and the current brand image certainly fits the Bill much better than the tired Virgin Blue by 2010.

With free tea coffee and water, good quality but on board offerings, good complimentary entertainment streamable to a BYO device, Wifi available but not free, Bags can be charged for if entertainment and wifi offerings are decent otherwise all inclusive, lounges should be easier to access for the general flying public. Of course for a reasonable fee.

Positioned as something nice with some inclusions beyond JQ to make it feel just that bit more special plus good quality options for purchase to really enhance the experience I think they could be well placed to compete with yet charge some more than JQ. Need to focus more on technology outside the airplane, lining up at a VA check in/bag drop desk still feels very 90s/early 2000s.

As for the dumped snacks will anyone miss them? The three times I’ve flown VA in the last 5 years, twice it was a 35g chocolate bar and the third was a mini muffin and tiny yoghurt.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:59 am

tullamarine wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
I wonder what keeping VARA means? And where physically are the ATRs?

I assume it means keeping the FIFO operations centred in PER using F100s and A320s. The ATRs are removed from the fleet. Some were in NZ whilst others were parked at MEL. Not sure if this has recently changed.


There were a handful of VA ATRs parked up at the GA apron in Cairns when I was up there just last week. Not sure how long they have been there, but I can't imagine the tropical conditions would be ideal for long term storage, particularly with the wet season approaching.
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:06 am

Images which I’ve stumbled across of various B787’s, B748i & A380’s currently in storage. 1 airline in particular stands out of the crowd.

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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aeronews ... 47680-GaBa

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