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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:10 am

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VARA nowadays is essentially the old Skywest, isn’t it?

Anyway, nothing too surprising nor earth-shattering on those VA changes - getting rid of snacks for a decent BOB offering is a positive. But otherwise it seems it will pretty much stay in its lane where it was stuck - the aspirational “2nd QF” they were trying to become never eventuated, and most would have perceived them as “middle of the market” anyway.


Thanks everyone - that's what I thought too, but was also wondering how they'd end up servicing CBR given they are still considering their lounge presence
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 am

Back to the Virgin Blue days.

Virgin drops complimentary snacks, moves to ‘buy on board’ in economy
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... nomy-class

Interesting to see that Qantas came out yesterday saying it had "absolutely no plans to introduce buy on board" meals in economy class in place of free snacks, meals and drinks.
Qantas rules out introducing 'buy on board' meals, drinks
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... y-on-board
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:30 am

How's this for a load of codswallop? If this is the sort of nonsense the 'experts' at Bain think will fly here, they have another thing coming!

Hrdlicka said it was not always the plan of Virgin's new private equity owner, Bain Capital, to install her into the top job – ousting former boss Paul Scurrah in the process – yet could not elaborate on how and why this changed.
"I actually was stuck in quarantine, so I have no idea," Ms Hrdlicka – the former chief of Qantas' low-cost offshoot Jetstar and a key adviser to Bain Capital on its bid for the distressed Virgin – said when pushed on the matter.


https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 118-p56fky

She was stuck in quarantine so she had no idea of what was happening? Does QLD quarantine now mean you are not permitted access to mobile phones or email?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:08 am

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Virgin has now officially exited administration:

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... in-capital

I'm wondering what will happen with the 737 max deposits now. Will they still go ahead with the order, even though they just downsided the fleet or could they even swap for 787s (even possibly get a deal on a few white tails).


I wouldn’t envisage any shiny, new planes at VA for some time. Their current focus is probably biased towards stabilising market share, generating positive cash flows, and having a few more dollars in the bank for a rainy day.

However, that being said, the current market is certainly one for the buyers. A CNN news article I just read discussing the cost to Boeing for its MAX program, mentions some interesting points. Due to the delays in the programme due to recertification, many buyers have been able to walk away from contracts without any loss. It even suggests that some orders may have been originally discounted by up to 50%, approx’ US$55M per aircraft, but they could even be discounted again by up to US$20M.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/busi ... index.html

With international flying currently at lows, demand for wide bodies is minimal too. Perhaps, VA may be able to walk away from the original order to free up some cash for the short term, and then look into some deals for 737-8’s, perhaps -10’s, and possibly some 787-9’s down the track.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:12 am

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South Australia effectively shutting down for 6 days from Midnight tonight.


Lucky to dodge that. Flew back to BNE from ADL on Sunday. Already had a CoVid test, thankfully negative.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:16 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
How's this for a load of codswallop? If this is the sort of nonsense the 'experts' at Bain think will fly here, they have another thing coming!

Hrdlicka said it was not always the plan of Virgin's new private equity owner, Bain Capital, to install her into the top job – ousting former boss Paul Scurrah in the process – yet could not elaborate on how and why this changed.
"I actually was stuck in quarantine, so I have no idea," Ms Hrdlicka – the former chief of Qantas' low-cost offshoot Jetstar and a key adviser to Bain Capital on its bid for the distressed Virgin – said when pushed on the matter.


https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 118-p56fky

She was stuck in quarantine so she had no idea of what was happening? Does QLD quarantine now mean you are not permitted access to mobile phones or email?


I’m pretty sure she didn’t even go into quarantine when she came to Brisbane. If memory serves, she got an exemption because her husband/partner was undergoing cancer treatment.

Couldn’t get the Courier-Mail article as it’s behind a paywall...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntine.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:26 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
VARA nowadays is essentially the old Skywest, isn’t it?

Anyway, nothing too surprising nor earth-shattering on those VA changes - getting rid of snacks for a decent BOB offering is a positive. But otherwise it seems it will pretty much stay in its lane where it was stuck - the aspirational “2nd QF” they were trying to become never eventuated, and most would have perceived them as “middle of the market” anyway.


Thanks everyone - that's what I thought too, but was also wondering how they'd end up servicing CBR given they are still considering their lounge presence


No indication yet on whether they will fly CBR-SYD in the future, although with the ATRs withdrawn it seems unlikely. CBR-MEL and CBR-BNE (plus ADL and OOL) are 737 markets, and all planned to continue.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:09 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
VARA nowadays is essentially the old Skywest, isn’t it?

Anyway, nothing too surprising nor earth-shattering on those VA changes - getting rid of snacks for a decent BOB offering is a positive. But otherwise it seems it will pretty much stay in its lane where it was stuck - the aspirational “2nd QF” they were trying to become never eventuated, and most would have perceived them as “middle of the market” anyway.


Thanks everyone - that's what I thought too, but was also wondering how they'd end up servicing CBR given they are still considering their lounge presence


No indication yet on whether they will fly CBR-SYD in the future, although with the ATRs withdrawn it seems unlikely. CBR-MEL and CBR-BNE (plus ADL and OOL) are 737 markets, and all planned to continue.

It is possible that VA may engage Alliance for CBR-SYD using F70s or E90s.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:32 pm

Does anyone have an idea on what terminal Rex will use at MEL? I’m guessing T4 even though it’s marketed as the budget terminal.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:41 pm

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Does anyone have an idea on what terminal Rex will use at MEL? I’m guessing T4 even though it’s marketed as the budget terminal.

Yes, I assume they will expand their existing T4 check-in facilities to include the adjacent old Tiger check-in area. T4 is their only option anyway. I assume they will use gates in the F concourse. It is possible these will be Gates 11, 12,and 13 which are airbridge equipped and which a smaller VA will no longer require.

In SYD, I think they will use the old Tiger gates on the predominantly JQ concourse in T2 and in BNE, they will share the Common User concourse with Alliance though it is possible the VA/QQ alliance (pardon the pun) will see QQ move a lot of its flights into the VA concourse.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:41 pm

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Does anyone have an idea on what terminal Rex will use at MEL? I’m guessing T4 even though it’s marketed as the budget terminal.


They're currently using T4, and their lounge is located there, so I can't see them moving elsewhere unless MEL airport offers them a good deal of $$$ because they want them elsewhere.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:47 pm

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No indication yet on whether they will fly CBR-SYD in the future, although with the ATRs withdrawn it seems unlikely. CBR-MEL and CBR-BNE (plus ADL and OOL) are 737 markets, and all planned to continue.


And an absolutely fair mild slapdown to me for being Sydney-centric :)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:14 am

tullamarine wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

Thanks everyone - that's what I thought too, but was also wondering how they'd end up servicing CBR given they are still considering their lounge presence


No indication yet on whether they will fly CBR-SYD in the future, although with the ATRs withdrawn it seems unlikely. CBR-MEL and CBR-BNE (plus ADL and OOL) are 737 markets, and all planned to continue.

It is possible that VA may engage Alliance for CBR-SYD using F70s or E90s.


I think early on, Virgin Australia suggested a SYD-CBR B737 was under consideration but unlikely. Interesting also to read yesterday that Virgin says its CBR lounge is "under review", while all other capital cities are good to go.

The ACCC has now given interim authorisation to an expanded Virgin and Alliance partnership across 41 regional routes, and SYD-CBR is one of those, but MEL-CBR and ADL-CBR are also on the list. Maybe VA is going to pull the plug on CBR altogether, closing its lounge and The Club there would play into that.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... artnership
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:15 am

I'm wondering if VA CBR lounge being "under review" still would be connected to VA and QQ waiting to see if they were going to get authorisation for codeshare and if QQ ends up operating some of those flights.

If it was knocked back then I could imagine VA would have had an average schedule which would have reduced the viability of the lounge, but if QQ operates some of the flights, then it makes it more viable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:52 am

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/virgin-alliance-regional-routes-partnership

Looks like QQ (Alliance) as found an user for all of it E190s coming onboard, with an new regional agreement with VA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:34 am

Obzerva wrote:
I'm wondering if VA CBR lounge being "under review" still would be connected to VA and QQ waiting to see if they were going to get authorisation for codeshare and if QQ ends up operating some of those flights.

If it was knocked back then I could imagine VA would have had an average schedule which would have reduced the viability of the lounge, but if QQ operates some of the flights, then it makes it more viable.


I'd very much think this is the case. I'll be very surprised if the deal is knocked back, but it is almost an ultimatum to the powers to be that if it is, they'll be no lounge for you!

In regards to the lounges they are getting rid of, hopefully they can be transferred to a third party who could give access to the virgin frequent flyers whilst also allowing paid and priority pass (and similar) entry.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:14 am

Pcoder wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
I'm wondering if VA CBR lounge being "under review" still would be connected to VA and QQ waiting to see if they were going to get authorisation for codeshare and if QQ ends up operating some of those flights.

If it was knocked back then I could imagine VA would have had an average schedule which would have reduced the viability of the lounge, but if QQ operates some of the flights, then it makes it more viable.


I'd very much think this is the case. I'll be very surprised if the deal is knocked back, but it is almost an ultimatum to the powers to be that if it is, they'll be no lounge for you!

In regards to the lounges they are getting rid of, hopefully they can be transferred to a third party who could give access to the virgin frequent flyers whilst also allowing paid and priority pass (and similar) entry.


Could be that they are trying to reduce the size of the CBR lounge? It’s an massive space, which if they change to QQ F100s would be overkill.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:11 am

Pcoder wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
I'm wondering if VA CBR lounge being "under review" still would be connected to VA and QQ waiting to see if they were going to get authorisation for codeshare and if QQ ends up operating some of those flights.

If it was knocked back then I could imagine VA would have had an average schedule which would have reduced the viability of the lounge, but if QQ operates some of the flights, then it makes it more viable.


I'd very much think this is the case. I'll be very surprised if the deal is knocked back, but it is almost an ultimatum to the powers to be that if it is, they'll be no lounge for you!

In regards to the lounges they are getting rid of, hopefully they can be transferred to a third party who could give access to the virgin frequent flyers whilst also allowing paid and priority pass (and similar) entry.


I think the deal was actually approved yesterday or maybe just after VA announced the other regional lounge closures, from memory it was approved for 2 years.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:46 am

MEL will start taking international passengers from 7 December capped at 160 per day

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/132963 ... 55681?s=21
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:13 am

Just think, with the tie up between VA and QQ, if it becomes profitable, especially for QQ ..

QF will be making a profit on the back of VA mk II
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:21 am

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Just think, with the tie up between VA and QQ, if it becomes profitable, especially for QQ ..

QF will be making a profit on the back of VA mk II


With QF only having a 15.99% stake in QQ (and not allowed to acquire anymore), it's pretty much "pocket change" to QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:16 am

Melbourne's Airport Rail Link was just confirmed/announced and the type of services that will eventually run are now clearer:

- 10 minute frequency
- trains routed via Sunshine, Footscray then into the MM1 / Metro tunnel currently under construction then out to the south-east so about 30 stations on Melbourne's network will have 1 seat journey access to the airport all other lines can transfer at Sunshine, Footscray, State Library (Melbourne Central), Town Hall (Flinders Street) or Caullfield.
- 11 minutes to Sunshine, 18 minutes to Footscray, 22 minutes to Arden (first of the MM1 tunnel stations), 24 minutes to Parkville, 27 minutes to State Library (Melbourne Central), 29 minutes to Town Hall (Flinders Street), 32 minutes to Anzac (back of the Shrine of Remembrance, serving St Kilda Road).
- trains will form south-eastern services to either Pakenham or Cranbourne (not clear which line will link up with which, because Sunbury line services will also use the tunnel and link with either Pakenham/Cranbourne too).
- 2022 build start date, expected completion in 2029
- this timeframe aligns with the Suburban Rail Loop expected construction and opening dates... i.e MARL opens at same time (roughly) as SRL - you'll be able to get a train to Clayton from the airport and then switch to get to Monash if you work in that area etc.
- the Sunshine route allows Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo regional services to connect with the 10 minute airport frequencies there, rather than having to travel into the city and back out again. La Trobe valley Vline services can transfer anywhere along Pakenham-Caulfield segment.
- the trains themselves will be the new HCMTs which are under test at the moment: they're longer (7 cars versus 6 cars, could be expanded to 10 cars in future if need be - the tunnel is being built to cater for 10 car trains but only use 7 car from the get-go) and therefore have higher capacity.
- just an FYI: the MM1 / Metro Tunnel will open circa 2025 and Pakenham/Cranbourne will be routed through to Sunbury, this project announcement today, effectively piggy-backs off that work and forms another branch on the western side of the mega-long railway line that'll be created by joining Pakenham/Cranbourne-Sunbury in 2025 when the tunnel opens.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 56gl2.html

edit, in case you dont know what an HCMT is, here's a vid of one under test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiz714GW44k
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:10 am

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Melbourne's Airport Rail Link was just confirmed/announced and the type of services that will eventually run are now clearer:


While progress is welcomed, realistically these projects always run over time, so we are talking 2030 at the earliest. I can only imagine how busy the Tulla freeway will be by that time. The main issue (pre covid) was the road congestion on the ring road around the terminals - i know there is a long term reconfiguration plan but again too slow. Covid would have been the perfect time for major road works.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:17 am

...the Tulla FWY only just got a $1 billion upgrade recently and the rail line is exactly what's needed to stop the forever and never-ending widening and expansion of it.

It might take longer (and it might taken less time - depending on what the market says when the vic Gov goes out there for a quote!) but I'm willing to bet there'll only be minor tweaks to the roads/freeways outside of the airport (i.e full blown expansion between the city and the airport) but potentially many changes within the airport precinct - some of them have already been canvassed.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:18 am

Fair choice to piggy back off the new metro line and stations. Stations probably better positioned for most business travellers than Southern Cross.

Albeit constructions seems to be longer than I would have expected.

Will be the usual moans about not having a dedicated service but I think cost wise this works better.

Based on the article assume a similar gate fee arrangement to the usual Zone 1+2 fare as applied in Brisbane and Sydney.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:12 am

30 minutes from Southern Cross to Tullamarine seems too long. Given the distance involved (about 20kms as the crow flies) I would have thought 20 minutes would've been the target time to be competitive. This is no faster than the current SkyBus and significantly less than you'd normally expect for a cab ride.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:01 pm

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30 minutes from Southern Cross to Tullamarine seems too long. Given the distance involved (about 20kms as the crow flies) I would have thought 20 minutes would've been the target time to be competitive. This is no faster than the current SkyBus and significantly less than you'd normally expect for a cab ride.


Given that this connects into many more locations directly than a dedicated Airport-Southern Cross would have enabled, including the health and education precincts in Parkville, direct access to Melbourne Central and Flinders Street, along with the St Kilda Road precinct, I think it’s the right move.

The challenge will be the lack of luggage racks, but it’s not a deal breaker. The City to Sunshine corridor is quite busy so it will be quite crowded in those sections, especially if those are the express services just stopping at Sunshine and Footscray into/out of the city. Having travelled that corridor many times over the years, the amount of people getting off at those 2 stations is significant.

I would rather them go with this option than the plans sitting on the wishlist for another 20 years, and further investments over time can be made of required in future to boost capacity in the network.

It’s certainly a big outlay though that may benefit from having a station at the Airport Business Park, especially with the upcoming large projects like the CSL complex that will be built there. That would boost patronage and provide connectivity for a significant employment zone.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:14 pm

And don't forget that once the airport is linked up to the network, it will be much easier to add trains. This gets the ball rolling and makes it much more sellable as a project in the general interest of all.
Ticket pricing will be interesting.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:35 pm

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And don't forget that once the airport is linked up to the network, it will be much easier to add trains. This gets the ball rolling and makes it much more sellable as a project in the general interest of all.
Ticket pricing will be interesting.


Agree. Ticket pricing will make or break it really, especially in terms of airport staff using the services. Having a fare structure that promotes use by staff will be a huge benefit for patronage.
 
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The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


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Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:44 am

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And don't forget that once the airport is linked up to the network, it will be much easier to add trains. This gets the ball rolling and makes it much more sellable as a project in the general interest of all.
Ticket pricing will be interesting.


Agree. Ticket pricing will make or break it really, especially in terms of airport staff using the services. Having a fare structure that promotes use by staff will be a huge benefit for patronage.


Unfortunately the article outlines it will be a $19.50 ticket price. Makes it completely unviable for family’s and workers, just like the current skybus.

$80 (each way) just to take a metro train to the airport for a family of 4 means for the majority of Melbourne’s population a taxi or Uber would be cheaper. $40 a day just for transportation for airport workers most of whom will be on low incomes working in retail or ground services.

The plan looks great, but it needs to be standard Myki fares. Just because it’s an airport doesn’t mean it’s special, integrate it cleanly and simply into the rest of the cities transport infrastructure as if it was any other transport hub. Was hoping Victoria would be better than other states and their extortionate airport access fees, but apparently not. Disgusted to be honest.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:58 am

a320fan wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
And don't forget that once the airport is linked up to the network, it will be much easier to add trains. This gets the ball rolling and makes it much more sellable as a project in the general interest of all.
Ticket pricing will be interesting.


Agree. Ticket pricing will make or break it really, especially in terms of airport staff using the services. Having a fare structure that promotes use by staff will be a huge benefit for patronage.


Unfortunately the article outlines it will be a $19.50 ticket price. Makes it completely unviable for family’s and workers, just like the current skybus.

$80 (each way) just to take a metro train to the airport for a family of 4 means for the majority of Melbourne’s population a taxi or Uber would be cheaper. $40 a day just for transportation for airport workers most of whom will be on low incomes working in retail or ground services.

The plan looks great, but it needs to be standard Myki fares. Just because it’s an airport doesn’t mean it’s special, integrate it cleanly and simply into the rest of the cities transport infrastructure as if it was any other transport hub. Was hoping Victoria would be better than other states and their extortionate airport access fees, but apparently not. Disgusted to be honest.


Yeah but think about it, a full car is what you want on a road, not a taxi/rideshare with one occupant and 3 empty spots. The latter wastes road capcacity big time. Having a decently priced option for single or double travellers to take them to most places in Melbourne on the HCMT will drastically improve efficiency of the road.

And if experience in Sydney is anything to go by, the reliability of the trains is valued by single travellers who willingly pay the $15-20 to get the train from the city over the taxi option which 1, costs more, 2 is not as reliable, and 3, is about the same time or sometimes more.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:15 am

A couple of QF 787-9 movements

ZNC is currently operating a repatriation flight to DEL while ZND is operating an Antarctic charter
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am

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And don't forget that once the airport is linked up to the network, it will be much easier to add trains. This gets the ball rolling and makes it much more sellable as a project in the general interest of all.
Ticket pricing will be interesting.


Agree. Ticket pricing will make or break it really, especially in terms of airport staff using the services. Having a fare structure that promotes use by staff will be a huge benefit for patronage.


Unfortunately the article outlines it will be a $19.50 ticket price. Makes it completely unviable for family’s and workers, just like the current skybus.

$80 (each way) just to take a metro train to the airport for a family of 4 means for the majority of Melbourne’s population a taxi or Uber would be cheaper. $40 a day just for transportation for airport workers most of whom will be on low incomes working in retail or ground services.

The plan looks great, but it needs to be standard Myki fares. Just because it’s an airport doesn’t mean it’s special, integrate it cleanly and simply into the rest of the cities transport infrastructure as if it was any other transport hub. Was hoping Victoria would be better than other states and their extortionate airport access fees, but apparently not. Disgusted to be honest.


A couple of things re the above.

I was under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that airport or airline staff had a discounted rate for the Skybus? Someone may be able to assist with that one.

Regarding pricing of the train, I think it’s fanciful to expect it to be a standard myki fare.
There is the recouping of the cost to build the infrastructure
The likelihood that the airport will charge an access fee as access by train will reduce to a degree the number of people who use the airport car park, and parking is a river of gold for any Australian airport - so the airport will expect $ in return as compensation.

The question is is the surcharge on top of your fare, or is it the entire fare.
If it’s just the $19.50 total then that’s already a saving to most, as currently people would be paying the Skybus + the myki fare.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:14 am

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Is there any plans for the Network A320’s to head over to the East? I would imagine routes like MEL-HBA/LST/CBR can utilise them.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:34 am

Obzerva wrote:
a320fan wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:

Agree. Ticket pricing will make or break it really, especially in terms of airport staff using the services. Having a fare structure that promotes use by staff will be a huge benefit for patronage.


Unfortunately the article outlines it will be a $19.50 ticket price. Makes it completely unviable for family’s and workers, just like the current skybus.

$80 (each way) just to take a metro train to the airport for a family of 4 means for the majority of Melbourne’s population a taxi or Uber would be cheaper. $40 a day just for transportation for airport workers most of whom will be on low incomes working in retail or ground services.

The plan looks great, but it needs to be standard Myki fares. Just because it’s an airport doesn’t mean it’s special, integrate it cleanly and simply into the rest of the cities transport infrastructure as if it was any other transport hub. Was hoping Victoria would be better than other states and their extortionate airport access fees, but apparently not. Disgusted to be honest.


A couple of things re the above.

I was under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that airport or airline staff had a discounted rate for the Skybus? Someone may be able to assist with that one.

Regarding pricing of the train, I think it’s fanciful to expect it to be a standard myki fare.
There is the recouping of the cost to build the infrastructure
The likelihood that the airport will charge an access fee as access by train will reduce to a degree the number of people who use the airport car park, and parking is a river of gold for any Australian airport - so the airport will expect $ in return as compensation.

The question is is the surcharge on top of your fare, or is it the entire fare.
If it’s just the $19.50 total then that’s already a saving to most, as currently people would be paying the Skybus + the myki fare.


Airport staff - from flight attendants, to the CEO, to the kid at Maccas qualify for staff skybus rates. Works out to somewhere in the range of $5 per trip last I heard. (My memory's hazy, but it's absolutely on par with a standard Myki fare)

Also, Sydney have a weekly cap for the airport train where you only pay the surcharge twice in any one week, so staff commuting to the airport will only pay the $30 in station access fees each week. I imagine Melbourne will have a similar system.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:42 am

kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


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Is there any plans for the Network A320’s to head over to the East? I would imagine routes like MEL-HBA/LST/CBR can utilise them.

No, the 717s released from WA operations with the arrival of the extra ex 3K A320s will operate for QF Link on the east coast.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:43 pm

kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


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Is there any plans for the Network A320’s to head over to the East? I would imagine routes like MEL-HBA/LST/CBR can utilise them.


As Tullamarine already said, they are backfilling WA 717s which in turn move East (including a new 717 base at MEL).

Even if A320s were to move East, I couldn’t see them on any of the those routes other than maybe MEL-HBA. LST is a Q400 route and CBR pretty much demands Business class.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:52 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Is there any plans for the Network A320’s to head over to the East? I would imagine routes like MEL-HBA/LST/CBR can utilise them.


As Tullamarine already said, they are backfilling WA 717s which in turn move East (including a new 717 base at MEL).

Even if A320s were to move East, I couldn’t see them on any of the those routes other than maybe MEL-HBA. LST is a Q400 route and CBR pretty much demands Business class.

MEL-LST could certainly handle more QF capacity than a Q400, with JQ and VA flying multiple daily’s in A320/738 equipment QF could surely use at least a 717 on some flights. (Based on pre covid operations)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:37 am

a320fan wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
kriskim wrote:

Is there any plans for the Network A320’s to head over to the East? I would imagine routes like MEL-HBA/LST/CBR can utilise them.


As Tullamarine already said, they are backfilling WA 717s which in turn move East (including a new 717 base at MEL).

Even if A320s were to move East, I couldn’t see them on any of the those routes other than maybe MEL-HBA. LST is a Q400 route and CBR pretty much demands Business class.

MEL-LST could certainly handle more QF capacity than a Q400, with JQ and VA flying multiple daily’s in A320/738 equipment QF could surely use at least a 717 on some flights. (Based on pre covid operations)


QF does have 717s in the schedules for early 2021 for Launceston, and all Q400s are to be removed from the MEL base. IIRC MEL-HBA has some 737s replacing 717s. (Reliable) NS21 schedules hadn't been posted last time I checked. As others have said, the Network A320s are releasing 717s to move east and, noting the A320s are all economy, I don't see how/where they realistically fit on the east coast network.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:09 am

EK413 wrote:
The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


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I haven't really been following the Network fleet lately so sorry if it's mentioned. But are these A320 replacing the F100? Or growing the fleet?

(Ignore, answered in the above post)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:06 am

Fuling wrote:
EK413 wrote:
The next batch of A320’s to join the growing Network fleet will be registered -UVP, -UVK & -UVJ.


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I haven't really been following the Network fleet lately so sorry if it's mentioned. But are these A320 replacing the F100? Or growing the fleet?

(Ignore, answered in the above post)

The A320’s are freeing up the B717’s which are being transferred to the East Coast SYD/MEL based.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:24 am

Obzerva wrote:
a320fan wrote:

Regarding pricing of the train, I think it’s fanciful to expect it to be a standard myki fare.
There is the recouping of the cost to build the infrastructure
The likelihood that the airport will charge an access fee as access by train will reduce to a degree the number of people who use the airport car park, and parking is a river of gold for any Australian airport - so the airport will expect $ in return as compensation..


Given the federal govt are pitching in a hige chunk of cash and that Myki fares go to the Vic Govt not the federal govt isn't a great rational for the higher fare. Are we going to charge non Myki fares for the suburban rail and metro tunnel stations to pay back the infrastructure?

If the govt wants it to be a success it should be Myki fares and focus on moving people off the congested roads and onto public transport.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:48 am

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A couple of QF 787-9 movements

ZNC is currently operating a repatriation flight to DEL while ZND is operating an Antarctic charter


A 787 to Antarctic? Has that even been done before? :p
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:58 am

The proposed $19.50 ticket price would make it the most expensive airport fare in the country - admittedly MEL is the furthest from the CBD.

While Sydney's is fairly expensive at least its quick! If the time saving is minimal i cant see huge patronage here. Interestingly in WA, the new PER train link wont have a surcharge with single fares being ~$5.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:11 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
The proposed $19.50 ticket price would make it the most expensive airport fare in the country - admittedly MEL is the furthest from the CBD.

While Sydney's is fairly expensive at least its quick! If the time saving is minimal i cant see huge patronage here. Interestingly in WA, the new PER train link wont have a surcharge with single fares being ~$5.

Question is how long does the proposed $19.50 ticket last? The gate access fee at SYD will last a commuter 1 week of gate usage.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:23 am

Could Virgin Australia Acquire Boeing 787 Dreamliner Quickly?

Some airlines returned B787 to their respective lessors and Boeing also has a white tails

It would be feasible and thus in October of next year SYD / MEL / BNE - LAX would return and launch BNE-HND
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:34 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Could Virgin Australia Acquire Boeing 787 Dreamliner Quickly?

Some airlines returned B787 to their respective lessors and Boeing also has a white tails

It would be feasible and thus in October of next year SYD / MEL / BNE - LAX would return and launch BNE-HND


Not going to happen next year. Even QF has pretty much written off flying to the US and UK for the next year. Until borders open its a moot point anyway
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:09 am

qf789 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Could Virgin Australia Acquire Boeing 787 Dreamliner Quickly?

Some airlines returned B787 to their respective lessors and Boeing also has a white tails

It would be feasible and thus in October of next year SYD / MEL / BNE - LAX would return and launch BNE-HND


Not going to happen next year. Even QF has pretty much written off flying to the US and UK for the next year. Until borders open its a moot point anyway


With Bain Capital now taking over, how would VA stand if / when they start up international flights with the 'majority Australian owned' airline government requirement to start international flights ex Australia ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2020

Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:12 am

Maybe a small ray of light for Queensland opening it's borders to NSW and Vic ?

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politi ... 56h6s.html

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