FromCDGtoSYD wrote:andrew1996 wrote:
SIN as a star hub probably decreased OZ's number as people have SQ option and there is a codeshare relation including some feed onto OZ's north American flights. If you look at SQ they had 4 daily flights to ICN and that likely is more seats than KE too. COmbine that with Scoot's own flights to ICN. I think OZ had never really focused on SIN as they were 1-2X daily, including plans to have made one of the flights a A321 to operate.
I think beyond the fact SQ serves it, KE probably has a stronger brand pull in attracting Korea point of sale than OZ and KE has a much wider North American network to feed in connections into SIN, which was expected to grow with DL's JV and DL exiting the SIN-NRT market that was served daily until last year. Out of Singapore, SQ probably leads for point of sale while for the leisure market out of SIN there is Scoot and a bunch of one-stop options on top of the SQ option.
Correct. OZ only ever sent their A330 + A321 whilst SQ would throw spanking new A350, 77W and 787-10 (I believe ? Or was it planned at least). KE OTOH was 2x 77W and 1x A330 (4 weekly I believe). During the peak season they would even send the 747-8. Having been on these flights I can tell you they were full in all cabins. DL funneling passengers helped too.
I believe KE would have added more flights but were being limited by traffic rights as they had been used up on both sides.
I think an open sky was signed between South Korea and Singapore but it was true that they were at their limits earlier - the treaty i believe was signed last year. I think what delayed the signing for so long was that SQ used to also want to use ICN as a springboard for more north American flights as it has served YVR, SFO, LAX out of ICN in the past but now are focusing on just ICN.
Its inserting OZ would use an A321 for a relatively long flight for a A321, especially in a market and region where wide bodies are common. SQ did send the 78X to ICN too! What's interesting is that ICN compared to HND, PEK, NRT, PVG, never really received airplanes with PE while the other North Eastern Cities did (the only exception was a 77W that was sometimes used to ICN). SQ uses the regional A359 for ICN too (but HND gets the long haul with PE A359). Not sure if this is a sign that SQ does not see yields out of ICN to be as good as other cities.