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MohawkWeekend wrote:the average age of their pilots.
MohawkWeekend wrote:The entire Embraer family of commercial jets (including the 135/140/145) have a sterling record of safety. When you consider the number of cycles they fly and the average age of their pilots, the people who engineered and built them should be acknowledged.
The older turbo-props not so much.
digitalcloud wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:the average age of their pilots.
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Jamesmackie wrote:My question why is this plane so safe when each time I’ve stepped on it, the engines look one third the size of any other comparable jet and the craft shakes around a fair amount ? My second question, is the Embraer 190 safer than the Boeing 737-800 !
Maybe it’s because all the Embraer flights are so short ?
Antarius wrote:Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
MIflyer12 wrote:Antarius wrote:Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Ugh - the low pay nonsense. Does Spirit's relative low pay give pilots a higher propensity to crash than UA's, for example? Are pilots inattentive or suicidal in operation because the last contract negotiation didn't net them the full extra $20/flight hour they wanted? Don't look to explain this as difference in pay - it's likely difference in pilot experience, trip construction, and aircraft capability.
Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:the average age of their pilots.
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...
CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...
CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...
zkojq wrote:So we're all just going to gloss over the fact that the Airbus A340 has been flying for 29 years - just shy of 400 aircraft delivered - without a single passenger fatality?
MohawkWeekend wrote:CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:
Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...
Perhaps one of the airline pilots on this website could explain how competent they felt when they had 3 years on a ATP ticket vs 10. I would guess military stats would be similar for accidents. Many off the 135/145 jets I flew on in the last 20 years had both flight officers who at least looked under 30.
Don't most accidents occur during takeoff and landing? An aircraft making 6 to 8 cycles a day, sometimes to less equipped airports and flown by more inexperienced crew members should have a higher accident rate than say a A350/B787 which might make at most 2 cycles into JFK or ORD a day.
Antarius wrote:CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:
Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...
Experience tends to lead to being a better <insert any profession here>
Avgeek21 wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:CaptCoolHand wrote:
I know Americans find this low hour/big jet concept alien but I felt amazing when I joined a legacy carrier with only 150hr total to fly a 4 engined jet. Manual flying wise I did way better than guys with 20+ years experience. My manual skills and non normal handling skills were on fire. Plus I knew the books back to front. Whereas the experienced Captains would occasionally miss little stuff. Where you ‘lack’ is being able to take a step back and see the big picture and manage it based on countless years of experience.
The roles have now sort of reversed. I’m the experienced Captain who sometimes misses little things but can be ahead by a mile due to past experience.
In the end of the day I started confident due to exceptional training. Total hours doesn’t mean a thing. It’s training and attitude.
Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:the average age of their pilots.
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots.
digitalcloud wrote:Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots.
That may be true but your argument is still invalid. You are implying that because the average age of a E145 pilots is lower it is therefore more likely to have a poor safety record.
MEA-707 wrote:thankfully it will become more and more normal that whole aircraft types will exist without fatalities. No one has ever been killed on an:
A-319 (around 1480 built)
Emb145/135 (around 1240 built)
Boeing 787 (around 1030 built)
Emb170/175 (around 860 built)
CRJ700/900/1000 family (around 820 built) Excluding the different CRJ100/200
Airbus 350 (around 440 built)
Airbus 380 (around 245 built)
Boeing 717 (156 built)
CSeries/A220 (around 140 built)
Tu-204/214 (around 75 built)
ARJ-21 (around 50 built)
Il-96 (around 30 built)
Dassault Mercure (around 12 built)
Only the Mercure has stopped flying so that type will remain spotless.
AA757223 wrote:MEA-707 wrote:thankfully it will become more and more normal that whole aircraft types will exist without fatalities. No one has ever been killed on an:
A-319 (around 1480 built)
Emb145/135 (around 1240 built)
Boeing 787 (around 1030 built)
Emb170/175 (around 860 built)
CRJ700/900/1000 family (around 820 built) Excluding the different CRJ100/200
Airbus 350 (around 440 built)
Airbus 380 (around 245 built)
Boeing 717 (156 built)
CSeries/A220 (around 140 built)
Tu-204/214 (around 75 built)
ARJ-21 (around 50 built)
Il-96 (around 30 built)
Dassault Mercure (around 12 built)
Only the Mercure has stopped flying so that type will remain spotless.
TU204 had a runway overrun that killed five onboard and one on the ground
Ty134A wrote:Those flight safety statistics are quite, hmmm, how to put it... complicated.
How would you compare a Mercure to a 737-800? Or an IL9 to a M11? And then again, how would you rate the general structures the aircraft operates in, for example a dissolved Soviet Union in the 1990 versus the US?
When it comes down to safety, statistics in my eyes tell less about a plane than an in depth analysis of the systems, how they are evolved, how the‘re integrated and so on.
And then, if aircraft are operated mainly in stranger places of this planet, why not factor this into a statistic?
I personally consider myself to understand a bit, and I kind of know which acft I would trust, without statistics...
IlW and IL9s any time, CU maybe not.
Embraers, no problem. EM2s somewhere in Russias Far East, well not so much.
DC9 - a NW DC9 any time, an African one, not so sure.
So statistics are one thing, a deeper insight the other.
Lightsaber wrote:....you can see by the rate neither Concorde nor initial MAX made the standard.
digitalcloud wrote:MohawkWeekend wrote:the average age of their pilots.
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CaptCoolHand wrote:Antarius wrote:digitalcloud wrote:
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Regionals tend to be flown by younger and less experienced pilots. They also tend to fly more sectors per day, are paid less and potentially commute more to their base (due to pay).
Still failing to see your point here...