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Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:56 am

At the urging of my friend Spacepope, and with the hopeful participation of HPRamper and JReeves96, who are knowledgeable about all this, I thought I would kick off a thread for this Peak Season that would discuss the carriers used to supplement the fleets of the major integrators, like FedEx and UPS, for the specifc purpose of Peak. If the USPS brings in contract lift this year, we should discuss that as well.

I am hoping we will see posts about aircraft from folks like National, Atlas, Kalitta, Kalitta Charters II, IFL, SkyLease, Amerijet and others. I will also keep an eye on the ATI and ABX fleets, to see if the few aircraft that they have that aren't dedicated to Amazon or DHL are made available to others for Peak service. What's fun this season is that most of these carriers are already gainfully-employed due to Covid, sometimes at tempos to which their fleet is not accustomed, leading to interesting outcomes.

I have already posted about Western Global elsewhere, but I will do a short synopsis here, with help from HPRamper, who identified the specific aircraft that FedEx has wet-leased from Western Global for Peak. Western Global has a fleet of 2 operational 744s, with one more ex-Atlas one in transition to service (for months and months), and 14 MD11s (of which 11 are allegedly-active, plus two on the verge of return to service at their maintenance facility for a long time). What's fun with Western Global is that the MD11s seem to break at the darndest times, so you never know what you're gonna get. What's sad about this is that their crews and staff are very-nice people who probably deserve aircraft that run a little-more reliably. So do their customers, I guess, but any port in a storm and all.

TODAY'S Western Global Status (11/19/20 at 8:40pm EST). Ones currently running for FedEx and gonna be running for FedEx shown. Likely other integrators will want their remaining aircraft, too. The 3-series aircraft are the 747s, the rest are the MD11s. [N497MC is the 3rd, unregistered 747, but otherwise this scheme holds.] (Airplane geek trivia: WGN is owned by Jim and Sunny Neff. WGN uses the last 3 digits of the MSN in the tail number, along with JN for Jim Neff, SN for Sunny Neff, or KD, which is their 2-digit airline code.)

Active Fleet:

344KD Flying US-Asia
356KD Flying US-Asia
411SN Nope. In maintenance for the last 12 days at SHV; reserved for FX peak
412SN Flying Middle East for US Military.
415JN Flying Asia; reserved for FX peak
512JN Flying Asia; maybe broken at LAX
513SN Flying Fedex for USPS MEM-California or Hawaii
581JN Nope. Flying Fedex for USPS. It's a spare but it hasn't flown in 5 days, so possibly broken.
799JN Flying Fedex for USPS MEM-California or Hawaii.
542KD Flying Fedex; currently flying the route that I think 581 was supposed to be flying.
543JN Nope. Stuck at ICN for ten days (since 11/9), so probably broken; reserved for FX peak
545JN Nope. Was flying Asia but stuck at HKG for the last 4 days after an air return right after departure.
546JN Nope. Has been in maintenance at SHV since May 23, 2020, so almost six months. Nevertheless: reserved for FX peak
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Rest of the fleet (I'm always hopeful...):

435KD SHV from Desert 5/3/20
497MC SHV from Desert 4/22/20
804SN SHV from Desert 6/29/2018
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:44 am

From the COVID thread “tofen” writes:

National have had N756CA running between CGN and SDF the last couple of days. I can only assume they're flying for UPS.
I wonder if this is UPS already ramping up for peak, with Black Friday fast approaching, or if it's a more temporary thing.

Maybe UPS has decided to go with National instead of WGA for their supplementary lift after seeing WGAs less then stellar performance in the past. Leaving WGA to do work for FedEx instead.

With N702CA now on property and N729CA possibly done before Christmas, this could be a very busy period for National if they can keep them all in the air.
Both the GE-powered frames seem to be still chugging along full speed on the Asia trade as well.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:19 am

Regarding Kalitta Charters II, it seems that within the past two weeks, they've made some changes. N331CK is now operating Caribbean runs, presumably for Amerijet. N332CK is now operating a CVG-ROC run for presumably DHL. Majority of their fleet appears to be operating for DHL at the moment
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:39 am

Thank you gentlemen for starting the holiday's off the right way. I do know that UPS is taking on two new 747-8Fs just in time for the season, N624UP and N625UP respectively.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:13 am

I mentioned this over in the COVID thread. But I’m curious if we’ll see any of the passenger airlines charter their widebody planes over to the cargo integrators.

It’ll probably cost a bit too much since they’ll the integrators will either have to run those planes with only belly cargo, or spend more money hand loading the main deck...
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:29 am

A few more small notes. N215WE, an IFL 727, has transitioned from automobile charters to operating MIA-Caribbean runs for Amerijet recently. Asia Pacific recently acquired N754CS, and it ferried MIA-MCI two weeks ago. It's a 30 year old 757, might see it in action somewhere, seems like they're trying to prep it for peak. Atlas seems to be running N471MC (744) for UPS on an SDF-EWR run. N429MC is operating SDF-IAH for UPS now as well.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:38 am

gdavis003 wrote:
Regarding Kalitta Charters II, it seems that within the past two weeks, they've made some changes. N331CK is now operating Caribbean runs, presumably for Amerijet. N332CK is now operating a CVG-ROC run for presumably DHL. Majority of their fleet appears to be operating for DHL at the moment


I think the 727s were having trouble functioning reliably-enough to do the Island work for AJT at the required tempo. Interesting that N724CK is now doing CVG-YHM turns and other stuff ex-CVG for DHL, although N729CK is still running for Amerijet. The interesting thing about the flights done by 331CK is that they're with a KII callsign, whereas 729CK (and 724CK and 726CK when they were doing it) used AJT callsigns. IFL's flights for AJT also use AJT callsigns (using IFL's 727s, which are also challenged by the tempo: N281FL (which is apparently broken at MIA), N215WE and N216WE). No question that the routes being flown by N331CK do look like AJT routes, however.

(Airline nerd tidbit: IFL's 215WE and 216WE were 215FE and 216FE, respectively. N217FE was the last 727 built. 216FE was delivered a month before 217FE, in 1984. In other words, those are two of the last 3 727s ever built. N281FL is MSN 21455, and is vintage 1978.)

Those islands do generate a good deal of traffic during the holidays, as folks send things to family members, including a lot of "barrels", the concept of which I was not aware until I began dating someone from Jamaica.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:58 am

gdavis003 wrote:
A few more small notes. N215WE, an IFL 727, has transitioned from automobile charters to operating MIA-Caribbean runs for Amerijet recently. Asia Pacific recently acquired N754CS, and it ferried MIA-MCI two weeks ago. It's a 30 year old 757, might see it in action somewhere, seems like they're trying to prep it for peak. Atlas seems to be running N471MC (744) for UPS on an SDF-EWR run. N429MC is operating SDF-IAH for UPS now as well.


Awesome info! Thank you! I have been watching the interesting collection of aircraft doing subservice for AJT while they redeploy their 767s to more-profitable ACMI work for DHL, so I knew about the IFL 727s. But I did not know about the Asia Pacific 757 or the two Atlas wet-leases for UPS. Looks like Flightaware tracked 754CS on that MIA-MCI flight also under its old tail number, ET-AJS. Although it's old, it's a factory freighter of which Ethiopian was the sole owner, and ran it from 1990 to 2018 in cargo service.

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:22 am

gdavis003 wrote:
Regarding Kalitta Charters II, it seems that within the past two weeks, they've made some changes. N331CK is now operating Caribbean runs, presumably for Amerijet. N332CK is now operating a CVG-ROC run for presumably DHL. Majority of their fleet appears to be operating for DHL at the moment


CVG-ROC-BDL was split into two:

CVG-ROC
CVG-MDT-BDL
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:28 am

I got the Atlas Air information.

UPS operations (as of NOV20)

N429MC : SDF-IAH-SDF (Current)
N471MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Current)
N473MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Starts NOV24, 471 goes to charter operations)
N1511A : SDF-OMA-SDF (Starts DEC1)
N486MC : SDF-JFK-SDF (Starts DEC14)
N489MC : SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC15)
N492MC : SDF-ONT-SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N493MC : SDF-PHL-SDF-PDX-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N499MC : SDF-DFW-SDF (Starts DEC21)

N473MC switches to SDF-IAH-SDF DEC29


FedEx Operations (as of NOV20)

N406KZ : MEM-SJU-MEM (DEC2)
N409MC : MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM (NOV30)
N408MC : IND-CGN-IND (DEC1)
N418MC : MEM-HNL-MEM (DEC1)
N477MC : MEM-CGN-MEM (NOV30)

N1619A : MEM-GEG-MEM. (DEC1) Occasionally will fly MEM-GEG-MCI-MEM-GEG-MEM


N472MC returns to service from TPE on DEC1. She’ll be on normal scheduled charters. Really surprised they don’t have her doing UPS runs.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:52 am

jreeves96 wrote:
I got the Atlas Air information.

UPS operations (as of NOV20) [...]

N1511A : SDF-OMA-SDF (Starts DEC1) [...]

FedEx operations (as of NOV20) [...]

N1619A : MEM-GEG-MEM. (DEC1) Occasionally will fly MEM-GEG-MCI-MEM-GEG-MEM



First of all, JReeves96, THANK YOU! Awesome info!

Second, many people would think that the prime-number tail number and "A" suffix means that these are among the Amazon dry-lease 767-300s. And knowing that the Amazon dry-leases can only be used on Amazon flights (without permission, which isn't given), they might wonder why these two are flying for UPS and FedEx.

The answer is that, although Atlas registered them with "A" suffixes, these two aircraft in fact are not dry-leased to Amazon, but rather are all-white maintenance spares that are owned by Atlas and generally used to cover when one or two of the Amazon 767-300s are in maintenance. They are generally flying somewhere in the Amazon network. Presumably, N1373A, the only Amazon lease currently out for an HMV, will be back from its check at VQQ (Flightstar) shortly (which normally takes 21-31 days), and so these aircraft should be free to put to track-charter/wet-lease use during Peak. Amazon also keeps operational spares, including hot spares, in its network plan, so barring something very-unusual, these two 767-300s likely aren't going to be missed.

ATI does the same thing with N255CM (767-200) and N395CM (767-300), as well as N376AN and now N381AN (both 767-300s). That's more spares than they need, so right now although 255CM is covering for 791AX which is in heavy-check at ILN, 395CM is on assignment for DHL in the Southern Pacific, and 376AN is often doing US Military work. 381AN is doing Amazon runs in its capacity as a spare that is generally-employed daily. ABX has a number of 767-200s that it uses on DHL and Amazon beyond the 6 767-200 dry-leases that it operates for Amazon. (The extras are: N740AX [line number 6, the oldest 767 flying anywhere], 752AX, 767AX, and 797AX. N312AA generally does military but not exclusively, and 783AX generally does DHL, as it's still yellow. But all six of those do get rotated onto Amazon from time to time. Amazon appears to be flying 7 aircraft worth of routes with ABX daily, and DHL is running 2 767-200 routes with ABX, plus of course ABX's 767-300 DHL routes. This means that, of those 6, 3 are used daily for DHL and Amazon, and the other 3 get used for military or ad-hoc missions, or to cover while a ship is in maintenance.)
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:57 am

I didn’t know that about the Casper planes. I always wondered why they didn’t paint them, interesting!
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:41 pm

jreeves96 wrote:
I got the Atlas Air information.

UPS operations (as of NOV20)

N429MC : SDF-IAH-SDF (Current)
N471MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Current)
N473MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Starts NOV24, 471 goes to charter operations)
N1511A : SDF-OMA-SDF (Starts DEC1)
N486MC : SDF-JFK-SDF (Starts DEC14)
N489MC : SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC15)
N492MC : SDF-ONT-SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N493MC : SDF-PHL-SDF-PDX-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N499MC : SDF-DFW-SDF (Starts DEC21)

N473MC switches to SDF-IAH-SDF DEC29


FedEx Operations (as of NOV20)

N406KZ : MEM-SJU-MEM (DEC2)
N409MC : MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM (NOV30)
N408MC : IND-CGN-IND (DEC1)
N418MC : MEM-HNL-MEM (DEC1)
N477MC : MEM-CGN-MEM (NOV30)

N1619A : MEM-GEG-MEM. (DEC1) Occasionally will fly MEM-GEG-MCI-MEM-GEG-MEM


N472MC returns to service from TPE on DEC1. She’ll be on normal scheduled charters. Really surprised they don’t have her doing UPS runs.


This is such an interesting break of strategies in the use of leased airframes. For the most part UPS is using them as supplemental short range domestic lift, while Fedex is piling the hours on contractor flights (a MEM-HNL-MEM rotation is basically 16 hours of flying a day, same with the CGN rotations). Is the idea these contractors are supplemental lift on these flights(running parallel to normal Fedex flights) or are they replacing a FedEx aircraft so it can do 4 shorter domestic cycles a day instead?
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:19 pm

jreeves96 wrote:
I didn’t know that about the Casper planes. I always wondered why they didn’t paint them, interesting!


To complicate things further, there are two other white 767-300s that ARE dry-leased to Amazon, but initially were not. That's N1709A and N1399A. Initially, those two aircraft played the role that 1511A and 1619A now do. That is, Atlas painted them white and used them as spares, and did not lease them to Amazon. Then at some point, Atlas sold them to their in-house leasing company (Andromeda, which is affiliated with Titan), and went ahead and dry-leased them to Amazon. Those two aircraft were not then painted in the Prime Air livery, for no reason that I can understand. Perhaps after some heavy check sometime in the future.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:46 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Second, many people would think that the prime-number tail number and "A" suffix means that these are among the Amazon dry-lease 767-300s. And knowing that the Amazon dry-leases can only be used on Amazon flights (without permission, which isn't given), they might wonder why these two are flying for UPS and FedEx.


Never noticed that about the prime-number tail number. Interesting observation that I can't believe I hadn't noticed!
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Spacepope wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
I got the Atlas Air information.

UPS operations (as of NOV20)

N429MC : SDF-IAH-SDF (Current)
N471MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Current)
N473MC : SDF-EWR-SDF (Starts NOV24, 471 goes to charter operations)
N1511A : SDF-OMA-SDF (Starts DEC1)
N486MC : SDF-JFK-SDF (Starts DEC14)
N489MC : SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC15)
N492MC : SDF-ONT-SDF-PHL-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N493MC : SDF-PHL-SDF-PDX-SDF (Starts DEC21)
N499MC : SDF-DFW-SDF (Starts DEC21)

N473MC switches to SDF-IAH-SDF DEC29


FedEx Operations (as of NOV20)

N406KZ : MEM-SJU-MEM (DEC2)
N409MC : MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM (NOV30)
N408MC : IND-CGN-IND (DEC1)
N418MC : MEM-HNL-MEM (DEC1)
N477MC : MEM-CGN-MEM (NOV30)

N1619A : MEM-GEG-MEM. (DEC1) Occasionally will fly MEM-GEG-MCI-MEM-GEG-MEM


N472MC returns to service from TPE on DEC1. She’ll be on normal scheduled charters. Really surprised they don’t have her doing UPS runs.


This is such an interesting break of strategies in the use of leased airframes. For the most part UPS is using them as supplemental short range domestic lift, while Fedex is piling the hours on contractor flights (a MEM-HNL-MEM rotation is basically 16 hours of flying a day, same with the CGN rotations). Is the idea these contractors are supplemental lift on these flights(running parallel to normal Fedex flights) or are they replacing a FedEx aircraft so it can do 4 shorter domestic cycles a day instead?

I think you're on the right track with that and I think it's a combination of the two. According to the engineering call about a month ago, FX has no slack lift so adhoc flights will probably not be very common - all available frames are already allocated. I think it's also notable that some of these routes are "doubled up" compared to years past, as noted above WGA planes are also flying these MEM/ONT/HNL routings. I've never seen this amount of lift in the system. The margins are thin - at my station, we used to have MD11 layovers during the week for MX to clear MELs, this is now a thing of the past and every flight is a turn and burn. I can only hope our guys can keep them flying for the next month and a half at these workloads. Those MDs are soldiers but they are getting tired.

Wjcandee they do keep the fleet readiness screens updated pretty well so I'll double check next week if any of the Western Global birds have been, er, removed from the FX reserve.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:41 pm

I noticed recently, that Wamos Air has been flying MAD-JFK with their converted A330's about 1-2 days per week. They seem to park at the DHL facility at JFK, are they operating for DHL on that route? Also noticed, that Amazon Air is up to 6 daily flights into JFK-2 SY, and the rest operated by ATI. They have really grown a lot here, since they started in March/ Skylease has been flying CSX-ANC-JFK vv. about 2x per week. National was in yesterday (11/19) on XMN-ANC-JFK. Not sure how often this will operate.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:41 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
Never noticed that about the prime-number tail number. Interesting observation that I can't believe I hadn't noticed!


Most people wouldn't make the connection... They do it with the ATSG/CAM dry-leases on the 763s as well. 307AZ, 311AZ, 313, 331, 337, 347, 353, 359, etc. They miss a few possibilities, in part because the State of Arizona ("AZ") has a lot of aircraft and have some of the relevant numbers already.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:44 pm

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Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:42 pm

Have we seen any action on the likes of 21 Air or Kalitta widebodies for peak yet?

Edit: Just now spotting N401CK, which has been pulling mostly ORD-Asia runs recently is ferrying to CVG as CKS9702.
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Have we seen any action on the likes of 21 Air or Kalitta widebodies for peak yet?

Edit: Just now spotting N401CK, which has been pulling mostly ORD-Asia runs recently is ferrying to CVG as CKS9702.


I wanna say 21Air has been doing MIA-SDF and MCO-SDF flights on the 762 all year. So maybe that’ll stay the same? I could be totally wrong though.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:05 pm

jreeves96 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Have we seen any action on the likes of 21 Air or Kalitta widebodies for peak yet?

Edit: Just now spotting N401CK, which has been pulling mostly ORD-Asia runs recently is ferrying to CVG as CKS9702.


I wanna say 21Air has been doing MIA-SDF and MCO-SDF flights on the 762 all year. So maybe that’ll stay the same? I could be totally wrong though.


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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:26 pm

Just for perspective on the Caribbean Island service, which seems to have picked up during Peak, and is interesting because of the aircraft that AJT among others has brought to it, here's why it takes a bunch more smaller aircraft to cover it when things are busy.

And as a fun fact, SkyLease today did a turn MIA-SDQ-MIA with a 747-400F (N903AR). Someone needed to move a serious amount of stuff.

So we're doing apples-to-apples, we'll talk about main deck cargo capacity and use 88x125 cans as the standard. Also, depending on which conversion one selects, you can gain or lose a can. (E.g. most 757s are 14 cans, but the Precision conversion can give you 15.) But this is just for perspective, so folks can see why it can take many more flights if you're replacing a 767-200 on the route, moreso if we're talking 767-300.

AJT 767-200 doing Island Hopper service: 19 cans main deck.
DC8-73 Freighter: 18 cans main deck
Typical 757: 14 cans main deck.
KII/IFL 727: 12 cans main deck
Random 737-400: 10 cans main deck
KII 737-300: 9 cans main deck

So you get about 33 percent more volume out of the 727-200 than the 737-300, but the 737 is more likely to run reliably, unfortunately. Similarly, really only the DC8-73 is going to come close to the 767-200 for volume. You're looking at two 737-300 runs to cover one run on the 767-200.

Again, there's a little of YMMV, but when it's busy, the bottom line is that you have to run more flights to replace the larger aircraft that had been used. It also explains why you would put up with a carrier like Skybus to do some of these runs, because their DC8 can handle it with one trip, or prefer the 727s over the 737s, assuming you have enough 727s at MIA such that at least one is flying today.

One other consideration is payload, because some of the stuff on the Island service is heavy, but, again, this is just for context.

From an enthusiast perspective, of course, all of this ROCKS.

If you want the specs on that 747-400F:
SkyLease 747-400F: call it 28 96x125 pallets, (plus two more contoured ones) main deck (plus 9 below deck). So 39 pallets total [albeit not apples to apples with the other aircraft].
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:30 am

It looks like UPS's 767-300 N310UP will finish up its LDS (flat-panel) cockpit upgrade at ILN tomorrow and head back into service. That should be it for these upgrades until after Peak.

UPS finished the upgrades on the 757-200s earlier this year. They were being done by Cascade Aviation at Abbottsford, Canada (YXX). In the same time frame, UPS was upgrading 2 767-300s at a time at AMES at ILN. After Cascade finished the 757-200s (apparently they did a good job), UPS put them on the 767s as well, doing one plane at a time at YXX. Each aircraft takes about 2 weeks to upgrade. At YXX, they were rotating in and out every 2 weeks. At ILN, they were staggering them, so that one aircraft would come in every week and one would come out every week

Now that Peak is here, that has stopped. Cascade finished N329UP on 11/14/20, and it wasn't replaced. Similarly, AMES finished N320UP on 11/14/20 and it wasn't replaced. That left N310UP, which is now scheduled to depart ILN tomorrow morning (11.21.20) for SDF.

That leaves 22 767-300s left to upgrade, by my count. So figure about 14-15 weeks to finish the project once it starts up again after Peak. At that point, all UPS 757s and 767s should have the Collins Large Format Display System upgrade completed. By then, the more-complex upgrade of the UPS A300s' displays, nav and FMS to the Honeywell Primus Epic package should be underway.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:41 am

wjcandee wrote:
It looks like UPS's 767-300 N310UP will finish up its LDS (flat-panel) cockpit upgrade at ILN tomorrow and head back into service. That should be it for these upgrades until after Peak.

UPS finished the upgrades on the 757-200s earlier this year. They were being done by Cascade Aviation at Abbottsford, Canada (YXX). In the same time frame, UPS was upgrading 2 767-300s at a time at AMES at ILN. After Cascade finished the 757-200s (apparently they did a good job), UPS put them on the 767s as well, doing one plane at a time at YXX. Each aircraft takes about 2 weeks to upgrade. At YXX, they were rotating in and out every 2 weeks. At ILN, they were staggering them, so that one aircraft would come in every week and one would come out every week

Now that Peak is here, that has stopped. Cascade finished N329UP on 11/14/20, and it wasn't replaced. Similarly, AMES finished N320UP on 11/14/20 and it wasn't replaced. That left N310UP, which is now scheduled to depart ILN tomorrow morning (11.21.20) for SDF.

That leaves 22 767-300s left to upgrade, by my count. So figure about 14-15 weeks to finish the project once it starts up again after Peak. At that point, all UPS 757s and 767s should have the Collins Large Format Display System upgrade completed. By then, the more-complex upgrade of the UPS A300s' displays, nav and FMS to the Honeywell Primus Epic package should be underway.


The Honeywell Primus Epic package looks pretty remarkable. Seems like they're trying to keep the A300s in the fleet for quite some time with those upgrades
 
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The Honeywell Primus Epic package looks pretty remarkable. Seems like they're trying to keep the A300s in the fleet for quite some time with those upgrades


Back when UPS announced its intent to do this, over 3 years ago, they said they expected the upgrades to cause them to keep the A300s in the fleet for 18 more years after the upgrades. We'll see, but the point is that it's a big investment with hopefully a long payback period. Airbus started testing the first upgraded ship about the middle of last year, with plans to deliver it ready-to-go by this year.

As you point out, the package includes a lot of stuff: new FMS, new GPS nav, new weather radar, new integrated ACARS, new EGPWS, and a new electronic maintenance system with more parameters, as well as the LCD screens. https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/09/2 ... -toulouse/

Interesting about the Honeywell displays is that they use two narrow screens side by side, rather than one wide screen, for each pilot display. And Honeywell doesn't eliminate the steam gauges. So from the display side of things, what UPS is doing with Collins on the 757s and 767s replaces more LRUs that display things than does this Primus Epic solution on the A300. But under the hood of the Primus Epic upgrade, there's a whole lot of integrated stuff. UPS is just going to have to continue to carry a lot of steam gauges and antiquated EICAS displays in the warehouse for another 18 years.

I'm sure there's a reason that Honeywell didn't go all the way and pull the EICAS displays and steam gauges on the A300, and I'm sure there's an equally-good reason that they went with side-by-side narrow screens, but it's a little odd when you compare the A300 solution to what Honeywell did with the cockpit of the G500, which is gorgeous, and involves 4 wide screens across the width of the cockpit without an analog LRU in sight.

On the 757/767, one noticeable advantage of the Collins solution over the IS&S and other solutions for the 757/767 is that it takes out the EICAS CRTs and replaces them with a flat screen. (It also has a HUD and a lot of other current and future functionality that the older-other solutions don't have, but the elimination of that CRT is a difference that jumps right out.) IS&S offered to develop an EICAS-CRT replacement if someone wanted it, but nobody bit. Collins made it a marketing advantage.
 
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We didn't opt for the HUD in the 757/767 upgrade. The center AFD (adaptive flight display) is interchangeable with the captain and FO AFDs. Automatic display reversion is incorporated in case of display failure. Also, when down to only battery power, the captain's AFD remains powered, so he/she has a full flight display instead of just standby instruments as before. Nice upgrade.
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The Honeywell Primus Epic package looks pretty remarkable. Seems like they're trying to keep the A300s in the fleet for quite some time with those upgrades


Back when UPS announced its intent to do this, over 3 years ago, they said they expected the upgrades to cause them to keep the A300s in the fleet for 18 more years after the upgrades. We'll see, but the point is that it's a big investment with hopefully a long payback period. Airbus started testing the first upgraded ship about the middle of last year, with plans to deliver it ready-to-go by this year.

As you point out, the package includes a lot of stuff: new FMS, new GPS nav, new weather radar, new integrated ACARS, new EGPWS, and a new electronic maintenance system with more parameters, as well as the LCD screens. https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/09/2 ... -toulouse/

Interesting about the Honeywell displays is that they use two narrow screens side by side, rather than one wide screen, for each pilot display. And Honeywell doesn't eliminate the steam gauges. So from the display side of things, what UPS is doing with Collins on the 757s and 767s replaces more LRUs that display things than does this Primus Epic solution on the A300. But under the hood of the Primus Epic upgrade, there's a whole lot of integrated stuff. UPS is just going to have to continue to carry a lot of steam gauges and antiquated EICAS displays in the warehouse for another 18 years.

I'm sure there's a reason that Honeywell didn't go all the way and pull the EICAS displays and steam gauges on the A300, and I'm sure there's an equally-good reason that they went with side-by-side narrow screens, but it's a little odd when you compare the A300 solution to what Honeywell did with the cockpit of the G500, which is gorgeous, and involves 4 wide screens across the width of the cockpit without an analog LRU in sight.

On the 757/767, one noticeable advantage of the Collins solution over the IS&S and other solutions for the 757/767 is that it takes out the EICAS CRTs and replaces them with a flat screen. (It also has a HUD and a lot of other current and future functionality that the older-other solutions don't have, but the elimination of that CRT is a difference that jumps right out.) IS&S offered to develop an EICAS-CRT replacement if someone wanted it, but nobody bit. Collins made it a marketing advantage.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:30 am

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Have we seen any action on the likes of 21 Air or Kalitta widebodies for peak yet?

Edit: Just now spotting N401CK, which has been pulling mostly ORD-Asia runs recently is ferrying to CVG as CKS9702.


Just did some searching on 21 Air, N881YV seems to have recently (as in this week) shifted from operating CVG-MCO for DHL I presume, and it is now consistently operating CVG-YMX for Cargojet, using a Cargojet flight number. N999YV seems to have taken its place on the CVG-MCO run. Seems like they're just rotating these two aircraft between operating for DHL and Cargojet on MCO and YMX runs, respectively. This doesn't seem to be a peak change though. Will see if these become utilized in a new way in the coming weeks
 
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GDavis003: I think Cargojet is operating for DHL, so this is 21Air operating directly for DHL on CVG-MIA and then Cargojet getting 21Air to fly subservice for it so Cargojet can service the CVG-YMX DHL route contracted to Cargojet. If that makes sense. Cargojet I think bought one of those two aircraft and then leases it back to 21Air to fly it. Don't know why.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:40 am

So it looks like National's latest 744BCF, N702CA, is finished with inspection and paperwork at MCO after a couple of days there, and is scheduled for its first revenue flight for National tonight, 11/20/20. Flying MCO-ANC, presumably then on to Asia.

I also noticed that N756CA shifted from CGN-SDF-CGN to SDF-ANC tonight, so maybe back on Asia for the weekend.

That leaves National's 5th 747BCF, N729CA, at SAT undergoing post-storage maintenance. I'm guessing she's out in a couple of weeks, based on the time VT Engineering San Antonio took with 756CA and 702CA.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:46 am

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We didn't opt for the HUD in the 757/767 upgrade. The center AFD (adaptive flight display) is interchangeable with the captain and FO AFDs. Automatic display reversion is incorporated in case of display failure. Also, when down to only battery power, the captain's AFD remains powered, so he/she has a full flight display instead of just standby instruments as before. Nice upgrade.


Thanks for that info! The little I have heard about the LDS from people who use it has been uniformly-positive. It's always nice when one makes an upgrade and users actually like it!!
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:55 am

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GDavis003: I think Cargojet is operating for DHL, so this is 21Air operating directly for DHL on CVG-MIA and then Cargojet getting 21Air to fly subservice for it so Cargojet can service the CVG-YMX DHL route contracted to Cargojet. If that makes sense. Cargojet I think bought one of those two aircraft and then leases it back to 21Air to fly it. Don't know why.


Certainly odd but makes sense
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:25 am

I'm thinking that N331CK might be flying for IBC? They do a lot of the same destinations as Amerijet, but usually with props. Maybe for Peak they needed a larger aircraft? Just curious. Bothered me that it wasn't using an AJT callsign when all the other subservice for AJT, including from KII, seems to use AJT callsign.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 am

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I'm thinking that N331CK might be flying for IBC? They do a lot of the same destinations as Amerijet, but usually with props. Maybe for Peak they needed a larger aircraft? Just curious. Bothered me that it wasn't using an AJT callsign when all the other subservice for AJT, including from KII, seems to use AJT callsign.


Seems like KII has operated for IBC in the past so would not be surprised if they upgraded this year for peak, and the pic shows N331CK: https://www.facebook.com/IflyMIA/posts/2052610988101481
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 am

Allee wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Have we seen any action on the likes of 21 Air or Kalitta widebodies for peak yet?

Edit: Just now spotting N401CK, which has been pulling mostly ORD-Asia runs recently is ferrying to CVG as CKS9702.


I wanna say 21Air has been doing MIA-SDF and MCO-SDF flights on the 762 all year. So maybe that’ll stay the same? I could be totally wrong though.


CVG-MCO and CVG-YMX


Immediately after posting that I started to question if it was CVG or SDF. Now that I think about it, I just saw that ugly ribbon livery at CVG a few weeks ago.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:30 am

I've seen ASLs A333s doing LEJ-KEF-CVG-LEJ occasionally for the last couple of weeks. I wonder if this is also part of the ramp up for peak or if it's going to be a regular thing now that they've got all the PW powered A333s back in Europe.
It seems a bit inefficient with the KEF stop if it's not there for extra load.

DHL also has D-AALQ just now on the delivery flight from Boeing on it's way to LEJ. No doubt they'll have use for her straight away.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:44 pm

Never mind on that Kalitta barn burner flight from yesterday. It was N701ck. I caught it at 10300 feet blasting along at over 400 knots heading into CVG. It ended up loading up and headed to Bahrain, and then on to HKG under the same flight number K4247.
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:07 pm

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Rest of the fleet (I'm always hopeful...):

435KD SHV from Desert 5/3/20
497MC SHV from Desert 4/22/20
804SN SHV from Desert 6/29/2018


According to https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3:

N497MC has now had a new registration, N258SN reserved for it. Might it actually be nearing the end of its Louisiana vacation?

Also, probably not impacting Peak, but Sky Way, who provides Shorts 360 freighter service, has gotten out of the jet auto parts business and has sold it's lone DC-9F (N112PS) to Aeronaves TSM.
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:27 pm

Update on WGA operations for FedEx -

4 actively flying, 4 others on reserve with no movements as of yet. None of the active 4 are broken as of today, subject to change at any time.

Active:
N513SN looks to be flying MEM-HNL-MEM or something similar.
N581JN flying MEM-LAX-MEM
N799JN flying MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM
N542KD flying MEM-ONT-MEM.

Other 4 not even showing on the weight and balance screens as staged at any ramp or hub, but they are present in the maintenance fleet readiness screen.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Rest of the fleet (I'm always hopeful...):

435KD SHV from Desert 5/3/20
497MC SHV from Desert 4/22/20
804SN SHV from Desert 6/29/2018


According to https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3:

N497MC has now had a new registration, N258SN reserved for it. Might it actually be nearing the end of its Louisiana vacation?

Also, probably not impacting Peak, but Sky Way, who provides Shorts 360 freighter service, has gotten out of the jet auto parts business and has sold it's lone DC-9F (N112PS) to Aeronaves TSM.


Good catch on N258SN!! We may yet see her in revenue service!!
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:21 pm

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So it looks like National's latest 744BCF, N702CA, is finished with inspection and paperwork at MCO after a couple of days there, and is scheduled for its first revenue flight for National tonight, 11/20/20. Flying MCO-ANC, presumably then on to Asia.

I also noticed that N756CA shifted from CGN-SDF-CGN to SDF-ANC tonight, so maybe back on Asia for the weekend.

That leaves National's 5th 747BCF, N729CA, at SAT undergoing post-storage maintenance. I'm guessing she's out in a couple of weeks, based on the time VT Engineering San Antonio took with 756CA and 702CA.


National has really struck while the iron is hot and gotten their 747 fleet back up and running. Way to capitalize on the market and get your assets out there to make money, gain market share and move the company forward. N702CA is westbound over the Pacific as I write this and into Hong Kong later today.

It would be nice to see Western's factory built 744F that just got a new reg join the fun!!! Photo of the actual jet, looking pretty much ready to go.

https://dontenphotography.smugmug.com/A ... -zhSnNjB/A
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:29 pm

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Again, there's a little of YMMV, but when it's busy, the bottom line is that you have to run more flights to replace the larger aircraft that had been used. It also explains why you would put up with a carrier like Skybus to do some of these runs, because their DC8 can handle it with one trip, or prefer the 727s over the 737s, assuming you have enough 727s at MIA such that at least one is flying today.


Since you mentioned Skybus and their DC-8, does anyone know what they're up to lately? Do they still fly for AJT occasionally?

Did they ever get their second DC-8 working again? I think it was ferried to VCV a couple of months ago.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:01 pm

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It would be nice to see Western's factory built 744F that just got a new reg join the fun!!! Photo of the actual jet, looking pretty much ready to go.


Great photos! Thanks for finding them. I'm sure we'll all be looking to see when/if they get it into revenue service. They generally seem to have a higher reliability level with their 747s than their MD11s, so hopefully that continues here.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:03 pm

tofen wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Again, there's a little of YMMV, but when it's busy, the bottom line is that you have to run more flights to replace the larger aircraft that had been used. It also explains why you would put up with a carrier like Skybus to do some of these runs, because their DC8 can handle it with one trip, or prefer the 727s over the 737s, assuming you have enough 727s at MIA such that at least one is flying today.


Since you mentioned Skybus and their DC-8, does anyone know what they're up to lately? Do they still fly for AJT occasionally?

Did they ever get their second DC-8 working again? I think it was ferried to VCV a couple of months ago.


It's so hard to follow their aircraft, at least for me. Kind of bits and pieces of ADS-B data here and there. I would love to know when/where they are flying when it's someplace we can see it happening.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:36 pm

tofen wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Again, there's a little of YMMV, but when it's busy, the bottom line is that you have to run more flights to replace the larger aircraft that had been used. It also explains why you would put up with a carrier like Skybus to do some of these runs, because their DC8 can handle it with one trip, or prefer the 727s over the 737s, assuming you have enough 727s at MIA such that at least one is flying today.


Since you mentioned Skybus and their DC-8, does anyone know what they're up to lately? Do they still fly for AJT occasionally?

Did they ever get their second DC-8 working again? I think it was ferried to VCV a couple of months ago.

I think it's still stored at IGM. But not sure. Certainly looks like a fairly fresh DC-8 on the ramp there on Google satellite from this year.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:41 pm

So more Western Global fun.

411SN has been at SHV for 2 weeks, but 412SN has been chugging along. After doing a Middle East flight, it flew East to ICN, where it sat for a day and then decided to fly down to HKG for a load. Did that, flew back to ICN rather than nonstop to ANC. Two hours after arriving, off she went to ANC. But not. Air return to ICN, where she now sits.

512JN has been in LAX for 4 days. Likely broken or in maint.

513SN, 581JN, 799JN and 542KD are all flying for FedEx. HPRamper says they're working. Okay. 542 is ferrying to ORD shortly under a 9000 number, so we'll see what that's about.

543JN apparently is fixed for now. It had been on the ground at ICN since 11/8, or about 2 weeks. Today, like 412SN, it flew to HKG for a load and stopped back at ICN. In theory, it will be on the way to ANC soon.

545JN is still on the ground in HKG, where it has been since it did an air return 6 days ago.

Odd that everybody seems inured to how frequently this fleet does air returns, apparently as a result of issues that are challenging enough to fix that they keep them grounded for a week or two. Hey, they're just air returns, right?
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:07 am

wjcandee wrote:
So more Western Global fun.

411SN has been at SHV for 2 weeks, but 412SN has been chugging along. After doing a Middle East flight, it flew East to ICN, where it sat for a day and then decided to fly down to HKG for a load. Did that, flew back to ICN rather than nonstop to ANC. Two hours after arriving, off she went to ANC. But not. Air return to ICN, where she now sits.

512JN has been in LAX for 4 days. Likely broken or in maint.

513SN, 581JN, 799JN and 542KD are all flying for FedEx. HPRamper says they're working. Okay. 542 is ferrying to ORD shortly under a 9000 number, so we'll see what that's about.

543JN apparently is fixed for now. It had been on the ground at ICN since 11/8, or about 2 weeks. Today, like 412SN, it flew to HKG for a load and stopped back at ICN. In theory, it will be on the way to ANC soon.

545JN is still on the ground in HKG, where it has been since it did an air return 6 days ago.

Odd that everybody seems inured to how frequently this fleet does air returns, apparently as a result of issues that are challenging enough to fix that they keep them grounded for a week or two. Hey, they're just air returns, right?


542 was planned for a west coast run today but was tailswapped out. 9xxx flight numbers are often but not always charters, in this case, suddenly 542 is nowhere to be found in my weight and balance screen (I can view the last onload plan from ONT-MEM earlier today). Soooo. I am looking at a listing of flight numbers and tail numbers and it's poof vanished. Only reason that would happen is if it was being used as a military charter or if it was being taken out of the system entirely. In any case, Chicago is a bizarre place for it to be headed.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:09 am

HPRamper: Interesting! There are a fair number of Western Global/National/etc. flights that go Chicago-Far East, so I figured it was ferrying there for something. (It was KD9542, which means they're ferrying 542, not an FX flight number, in which I guess a 9xxx would be a charter.) Maybe you'll see her back again in the future...

This is a really fun thread, for me at least!!
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:24 am

wjcandee wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Interesting about the Honeywell displays is that they use two narrow screens side by side, rather than one wide screen, for each pilot display. And Honeywell doesn't eliminate the steam gauges. So from the display side of things, what UPS is doing with Collins on the 757s and 767s replaces more LRUs that display things than does this Primus Epic solution on the A300. But under the hood of the Primus Epic upgrade, there's a whole lot of integrated stuff. UPS is just going to have to continue to carry a lot of steam gauges and antiquated EICAS displays in the warehouse for another 18 years.

I'm sure there's a reason that Honeywell didn't go all the way and pull the EICAS displays and steam gauges on the A300, and I'm sure there's an equally-good reason that they went with side-by-side narrow screens, but it's a little odd when you compare the A300 solution to what Honeywell did with the cockpit of the G500, which is gorgeous, and involves 4 wide screens across the width of the cockpit without an analog LRU in sight.


The Epic screens are the same system used in the Embraer 170/190 series and that's side by side, my guess would be it's just overall cheaper to use the older generation if screens instead of what's on the new Gulfstreams.

Future plans are to replace the CRT ECAM screens with LCDs and then replace the steam engine instruments with a flat panel that still displays the instruments the same way (think the 737NG displays at WN or CO when they were side by side indications). The reason that a whole flat panel cockpit wasn't done was that the FAA would require a whole new type rating for the new cockpit A306's. UPS didn't want to pay for that, or operate a split type fleet. Hence why the LDS is a whole cockpit, it's a drop in replacement for EICAS instuments. Fun fact, the CRT screens removed in the Epic mods will be reused as spares for the ECAM screens as they're drop in replacements.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:37 am

And just in time for peak...MAS Air got 773AX into service yesterday.

Apparently MAS Air is going to be running some flights between the US and Mexico for DHL, just in time to expand that lift for Peak. Saw that somewhere recently.

MAS picked up N773AX around the middle of October and flew it to MEX, where it sat until Friday 11/20, when it entered service. So far, she's done MEX-LAX-GDL-MEX. This 767-200 was a lease return to CAM from West Atlantic, where it wore SE-RLD before being reregistered with its old number, N773AX. Formerly Airborne Express then ABX Air. Started out at ANA.

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