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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:07 pm

HPRamper wrote:
My money is on those birds flying exclusively for UPS through Christmas. FX may have had dibs but passed on the chance.


You guys got the two that, in my unscientific survey, seem to be the most-reliable: 581JN and 799JN, plus one that has also been pretty-reliable, 513SN.
 
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Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:10 pm

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HPRamper wrote:
My money is on those birds flying exclusively for UPS through Christmas. FX may have had dibs but passed on the chance.


You guys got the two that, in my unscientific survey, seem to be the most-reliable: 581JN and 799JN, plus one that has also been pretty-reliable, 513SN.

I still don't want to see them in person. Does that sound mean? :D
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:28 pm

HPRamper wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
My money is on those birds flying exclusively for UPS through Christmas. FX may have had dibs but passed on the chance.


You guys got the two that, in my unscientific survey, seem to be the most-reliable: 581JN and 799JN, plus one that has also been pretty-reliable, 513SN.

I still don't want to see them in person. Does that sound mean? :D


Definitely not mean, just practical. They're beautiful girls. But demanding, finicky, and unyielding. The kind that with great entitlement and no warning will drop their suitcases on the airport floor halfway between the gate and the exit and say, "I'm not going any further." Leaving it to you to figure out what to do now. (As you can probably tell...been there -- and no longer there -- so I see your point.)
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:29 pm

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Talk about the devil. 0B-2059-P is in the air out of Kingman going east.
Back to Florida maybe?

Out over the Gulf, indeed headed in a South Florida direction.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:31 pm

wjcandee wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

You guys got the two that, in my unscientific survey, seem to be the most-reliable: 581JN and 799JN, plus one that has also been pretty-reliable, 513SN.

I still don't want to see them in person. Does that sound mean? :D


Definitely not mean, just practical. They're beautiful girls. But demanding, finicky, and unyielding. The kind that with great entitlement and no warning will drop their suitcases on the airport floor halfway between the gate and the exit and say, "I'm not going any further." Leaving it to you to figure out what to do now. (As you can probably tell...been there -- and no longer there -- so I see your point.)


And just think, apart from a few stragglers in HMV right now, all these aircraft are as good as they're gonna get for the next 6 weeks or so. Things are gonna start to wear and things are gonna start to break. Then the REAL fun begins.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:35 pm

FDX has 2 WGN with one spare operating since late October
MEM-ONT-MEM T-F, MEM-LAX-MEM Mondays, Saturdays, Sundays
MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM, MEM-ONT-MEM. December starts MEM-SLC-MEM T-F, MEM-SMF-MEM Saturdays
December adds
5 Atlas 747, 1 767 as previously shown
1 Amerijet 767 MEM-VCP-MEM
1 777F MEM-STN-MEM
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:39 pm

HPRamper wrote:
tofen wrote:

Talk about the devil. 0B-2059-P is in the air out of Kingman going east.
Back to Florida maybe?

Out over the Gulf, indeed headed in a South Florida direction.


Mind sharing a tracking link from ADS-B exchange? I don't think it's on FlightAware, and I searched it on ADS-B exchange but it wasn't pulling up anything.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:49 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
tofen wrote:

Talk about the devil. 0B-2059-P is in the air out of Kingman going east.
Back to Florida maybe?

Out over the Gulf, indeed headed in a South Florida direction.


Mind sharing a tracking link from ADS-B exchange? I don't think it's on FlightAware, and I searched it on ADS-B exchange but it wasn't pulling up anything.


Here she is: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=e8c054

I hope we get to see her sister, N805SJ, in action soon as well.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:08 pm

wrenchon727 wrote:
FDX has 2 WGN with one spare operating since late October
MEM-ONT-MEM T-F, MEM-LAX-MEM Mondays, Saturdays, Sundays
MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM, MEM-ONT-MEM. December starts MEM-SLC-MEM T-F, MEM-SMF-MEM Saturdays
December adds
5 Atlas 747, 1 767 as previously shown
1 Amerijet 767 MEM-VCP-MEM
1 777F MEM-STN-MEM


Thanks wrenchon, I was hoping you'd pop up eventually! Always a lot of info from you.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:22 am

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DCS921: That's a great catch about the ATI flight. ATI has exactly 4 767s that aren't dry-leased to Amazon. 767-200: 255CM; 767-300s: 381AN, 376AN and 395CM. (And maybe 392AN coming.) 395 is flying for DHL in South Pacific. 376 usually does military. 381 is now the Amazon maint spare. And 255 is covering an Amazon 762 down for maint.

So what you have discovered is that ATI is going to roll the dice and put one of its spares on UPS. And maybe more! I wonder what they will use to cover the Pacific Cargo military rotator. I guess we'll see. (Maybe a combi, I guess, or they'll go without a net and use 381 on the military work.) So interesting!


Hello,

I work the Amazon Line in ILN and from what we are hearing is that if Amazon wants 2 maintenance spares, then Amazon is going to get 2 maintenance spares for peak. I might be incorrect about this, but this is what we have heard.

Love this topic.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:23 am

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amdiesen wrote:
There are ten b744*fs currently 'parked/stored' or have flown x < two years.
If a b744*f is not working this peak then it's prognosis.negative

Does anyone have data on their status? Do you see anything missing?
Will they return for peak?, What reasons are they 'parked'?, ...
ln852, National, @SAT
ln853, Alta,
ln861, Alta
ln942, Atlas, @TPE ?heavy maint?
ln1041, Mesk, being xfered
ln1133, Suparna, @PVG; ?grounded4scrap?
ln1220, WG, ex-Atlas
ln1285, Saudia, damaged.tail strike
ln1312, China Southern
ln1332, China Airlines




The Atlas at TPE (N472MC) was pulled from the desert by Atlas on 10/21/20 and sent to TPE (EGAT) for a heavy check. It might be back in service in time for some of Peak. But figure at least the second half of December, I would think. Atlas must be assuming that business will be strong well into 2021.


472 will return to service on 01DEC. TPE-ICN-HKG-ANC-ORD
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:30 am

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472 will return to service on 01DEC. TPE-ICN-HKG-ANC-ORD


Yeah, I realized my mistake and quoted you with the correct info like a page ago, but our thread is so popular it's hard to keep up with everything! Sorry I missed that with my dumb assumptions. I figured it would be a similar time as the NCR birds, but it's probably getting a lighter check (or EGAT is incentivized to work harder for you!).
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:35 am

Looks like at least one, and maybe both, of the ATI 767-300 maintenance spares are gonna be doing Peak service tonight.

N376AN will do MIA-PHL-? Our contributor DCS921 caught her doing a MIA-SDF-MIA turn over the weekend. So this is pretty-clearly UPS.
N381AN is ferrying to SEA from ILN. We'll see what she does from there. The ferry flight number makes me think that it's not Amazon.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:38 am

jreeves96 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
amdiesen wrote:
ln942, Atlas, @TPE ?heavy maint?

The Atlas at TPE (N472MC) was pulled from the desert by Atlas on 10/21/20 and sent to TPE (EGAT) for a heavy check. It might be back in service in time for some of Peak. But figure at least the second half of December, I would think. Atlas must be assuming that business will be strong well into 2021.


472 will return to service on 01DEC. TPE-ICN-HKG-ANC-ORD

oophf... back in revenue service for a final six years, hopefully they will make a permanent repair to that (un)loading system, we would like to know or raise a collection for a industrial lumbar brace

......
Ancillary to the topic-
The current active global freighter fleet and whats on the ground. If a carrier had wanted additional lift as this year progressed, the options are limited and discouraging.
subfleet, active, stored
B748F, 92, 2
B744F, 201, 9 (6 n for maint, 1 tail strike repairs)
B772F, 192, 3 (temp parked by assigned carrier)
B76*F, ~352, ? (anything economically airworthy looks to be flying)
MD11F, 108, 8
A33*F, 47, 0
A30*F, ~167, ? (it was fedex's last chance to sell off those recently parked pratt powered a313f desert dwellers)

From a practical perspective; Saudia's(2) B748Fs and Alta's(2) 30yr old B744BCFs were the only VLAs available. CAM looks to have a couple of ~40yr old B762Fs. Otherwise one would have had to source older A300F variants.
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puzzling over:
1) proper amortization of long-lived assets where costs and revenue are complex, in a technologically evolving environment.
2) the economics of gate real estate
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:43 am

wjcandee wrote:
Looks like at least one, and maybe both, of the ATI 767-300 maintenance spares are gonna be doing Peak service tonight.

N376AN will do MIA-PHL-? Our contributor DCS921 caught her doing a MIA-SDF-MIA turn over the weekend. So this is pretty-clearly UPS.
N381AN is ferrying to SEA from ILN. We'll see what she does from there. The ferry flight number makes me think that it's not Amazon.


IIRC last peak UPS had 2 wet leased 767s doing a MIA-PHL and a ?MCO-PHL daily rotation. Fuzzy memories had 4 cycles a day on each aircraft with a FL-Texas daytime tag there too. Been a while though so I might be misremembering.
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:49 am

Amdiesen: Nice survey of the available metal. Explains why we're seeing such interesting participants this Peak -- and why in fact all those birds were pulled from the desert.

Every last one of CAM's available 762s is placed. The last 2 were 742AX and 773AX. The former is painted and leased and ready to leave for its Kenyan carrier (Astral Aviation) as 5Y-SNL (easy to remember) once the export paperwork is complete. The latter is leased to MAS Air and currently flying. Those were the last 2. Anything else (N798AX for instance) is past its LOV and on its way to being beer cans. (The only 762 that CAM owns that isn't leased or scrap is 712AX, a 35-year-old passenger bird that's got JT9Ds, and is just nasty; it's been sitting for years.) All 763s are leased or in conversion or conformity. 392AN should be in the air for ATI shortly, I think.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:54 am

amdiesen wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

472 will return to service on 01DEC. TPE-ICN-HKG-ANC-ORD

oophf... back in revenue service for a final six years, hopefully they will make a permanent repair to that (un)loading system, we would like to know or raise a collection for a industrial lumbar brace


Haven’t worked 472 since Peak 2018 so I can’t remember much, but 473 is by far the worst aircraft I’ve ever worked.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:17 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Looks like at least one, and maybe both, of the ATI 767-300 maintenance spares are gonna be doing Peak service tonight.

N376AN will do MIA-PHL-? Our contributor DCS921 caught her doing a MIA-SDF-MIA turn over the weekend. So this is pretty-clearly UPS.
N381AN is ferrying to SEA from ILN. We'll see what she does from there. The ferry flight number makes me think that it's not Amazon.

I'm looking at N381AN as I write this, and it doesn't look to be going anywhere soon. Hooked up to ground power but no activity all morning. Other Amazon flights have come and gone in adjacent gates. It's parked next to the DHL gates, but not in a gate DHL uses.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:18 pm

Western Global MD11 running ONT-PHL-ONT today
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:46 pm

Update on 381AN, they are loading it and it appears it will be flying for Aloha Air Cargo.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:09 pm

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wjcandee wrote:
Looks like at least one, and maybe both, of the ATI 767-300 maintenance spares are gonna be doing Peak service tonight.

N376AN will do MIA-PHL-? Our contributor DCS921 caught her doing a MIA-SDF-MIA turn over the weekend. So this is pretty-clearly UPS.
N381AN is ferrying to SEA from ILN. We'll see what she does from there. The ferry flight number makes me think that it's not Amazon.


IIRC last peak UPS had 2 wet leased 767s doing a MIA-PHL and a ?MCO-PHL daily rotation. Fuzzy memories had 4 cycles a day on each aircraft with a FL-Texas daytime tag there too. Been a while though so I might be misremembering.


OK I wasn't crazy.

Last year early 21 Air was doing MIA-PHL-MIA-DFW-MIA daily (and MCO-same). Then N376AN and N373AA took over but only doing the Florida-PHL turns for UPS. Looks like a continuation this year of last year's late trend.
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:16 pm

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Update on 381AN, they are loading it and it appears it will be flying for Aloha Air Cargo.


Great info!!

Guess Aloha needs more lift. Looks like the HNL-SEA-LAX-HNL rotation on Asia Pacific is over for now. The aircraft (757-200F N688SL) flew today from HNL back to GUM.

As you know, ATI flies the Aloha Cargo livery 767-300 under a CMI agreement, LAX-HNL-LAX, for NAC, which owns Aloha Cargo and leases that aircraft from CAM. The idea was for ATI to fly it for a few months until NAC could get its ETOPS house in order and such, but ATI is still flying it for them. I think NAC has been focusing on getting things smooth with the two MIA-based aircraft.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:32 pm

Small note, but UPS is definitely already working to get more utilization out of some of their aircraft. The 767-300 that UPS sends SDF-BHM every weekday morning flew right back to SDF this morning (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS ... /KBHM/KSDF), presumably empty, to use it during the day instead of sitting at BHM waiting for its flight back to SDF this evening. They'll be sending a 767-300 up from MIA later today to pick up the outbound.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:13 pm

Gdavis003: Makes sense! It will be interesting to see how much harder they push their metal to get more transportation from the same assets.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:21 pm

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Update on 381AN, they are loading it and it appears it will be flying for Aloha Air Cargo.


And just an update on the update, it looks like 381 will be flying the exact same route that they were doing with the Asia Pacific 757: SEA-LAX-HNL-SEA. Just carries more.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:33 pm

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Small note, but UPS is definitely already working to get more utilization out of some of their aircraft. The 767-300 that UPS sends SDF-BHM every weekday morning flew right back to SDF this morning (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS ... /KBHM/KSDF), presumably empty, to use it during the day instead of sitting at BHM waiting for its flight back to SDF this evening. They'll be sending a 767-300 up from MIA later today to pick up the outbound.


Looks like that airframe (N323UP) after returning to SDF, has just landed at SEA and will be back at SDF in time to participate in the evening rush.

Tomorrow BHM gets an MD-11
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:54 pm

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gdavis003 wrote:
Small note, but UPS is definitely already working to get more utilization out of some of their aircraft. The 767-300 that UPS sends SDF-BHM every weekday morning flew right back to SDF this morning (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS ... /KBHM/KSDF), presumably empty, to use it during the day instead of sitting at BHM waiting for its flight back to SDF this evening. They'll be sending a 767-300 up from MIA later today to pick up the outbound.


Looks like that airframe (N323UP) after returning to SDF, has just landed at SEA and will be back at SDF in time to participate in the evening rush.

Tomorrow BHM gets an MD-11


FlightAware was showing a tri-hole last night for the inbound this morning which then turned back empty to SDF, but I woke up this AM and that had been switched back to the usual 763. We'll see if the MD-11 sticks around for tomorrow morning's inbound. I don't remember brown doing this last year where they would ferry the a/c back to SDF after receiving the inbound to utilize the frame during the day. Seems to reflect an increase in traffic this season compared to around this time last year
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:08 pm

Got a few emails from FedEx before I head down to MEM.

Looks like Amerijet is sending N393CM on a MEM-VCP-BQN-MEM route.
N316CM spare?

Atlas
406KZ : MEM-CGN-MEM
408MC : IND-STN-IND
409MC: MEM-HNL-MEM
418MC: MEM-SJU-MEM
N477MC: MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM
619A : MEM-GEG-MEM

Western Global
799JN : MEM-ONT-MEM
581JN : MEM-HNL-ONT-MEM
513SN : Spare? Will, can you give info on that if I skipped it?

Etihad will be using A6-DDA on a MEM-STN-MEM route.


Looks like the 629A will sit on Monday's in MEM.

Can't upload the full schedule for the charter operations, but if anybody is interested I can let you know.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:15 am

gdavis003 wrote:
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gdavis003 wrote:
Small note, but UPS is definitely already working to get more utilization out of some of their aircraft. The 767-300 that UPS sends SDF-BHM every weekday morning flew right back to SDF this morning (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS ... /KBHM/KSDF), presumably empty, to use it during the day instead of sitting at BHM waiting for its flight back to SDF this evening. They'll be sending a 767-300 up from MIA later today to pick up the outbound.


Looks like that airframe (N323UP) after returning to SDF, has just landed at SEA and will be back at SDF in time to participate in the evening rush.

Tomorrow BHM gets an MD-11


FlightAware was showing a tri-hole last night for the inbound this morning which then turned back empty to SDF, but I woke up this AM and that had been switched back to the usual 763. We'll see if the MD-11 sticks around for tomorrow morning's inbound. I don't remember brown doing this last year where they would ferry the a/c back to SDF after receiving the inbound to utilize the frame during the day. Seems to reflect an increase in traffic this season compared to around this time last year


Hopefully loads will be such that the morning return will be at least a few things beyond empty cans.

As for distribution, Amazon is using leased trucks from Fluid here, plus Budget and Penske transit vans.

UPS delivery today via 4 door sedan, looks like temp Uber/Lyft drivers already roped in.
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:31 am

Spacepope wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

Looks like that airframe (N323UP) after returning to SDF, has just landed at SEA and will be back at SDF in time to participate in the evening rush.

Tomorrow BHM gets an MD-11


FlightAware was showing a tri-hole last night for the inbound this morning which then turned back empty to SDF, but I woke up this AM and that had been switched back to the usual 763. We'll see if the MD-11 sticks around for tomorrow morning's inbound. I don't remember brown doing this last year where they would ferry the a/c back to SDF after receiving the inbound to utilize the frame during the day. Seems to reflect an increase in traffic this season compared to around this time last year


Hopefully loads will be such that the morning return will be at least a few things beyond empty cans.

As for distribution, Amazon is using leased trucks from Fluid here, plus Budget and Penske transit vans.

UPS delivery today via 4 door sedan, looks like temp Uber/Lyft drivers already roped in.


Amazon has been using some white, unmarked Sprinter vans quite a lot recently in the Birmingham area. Saw UPS (I think) using a U-Haul the other day, and my FedEx delivery today was from someone who looked brand new, as they didn't have a uniform and I hadn't seen them before. Definitely ramping it up
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:39 am

N756CA is back from Shanghai, going PVG-ANC-ORD today. The 747 is now awaiting its ORD-ANC late afternoon sector and presumably another overseas trip to Asia.
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:11 am

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N756CA is back from Shanghai, going PVG-ANC-ORD today. The 747 is now awaiting its ORD-ANC late afternoon sector and presumably another overseas trip to Asia.


And now 702CA is stuck at ANC for 24 hours. I figure these girls are gonna have a little teething difficulty working right away at this tempo...

Not to jinx them, but, in contrast to WGN, SkyLease has run at an absolutely-brutal tempo from the beginning of Covid through now. LAX nonstop to Wuhan 13.5 hours, load, fly to ANC, fly to LAX. Rinse. Repeat. JFK-ANC-CSX-ANC-JFK. And repeat. Some other destinations mixed in there, a quick jaunt to MIA-LIM-MIA, then back to Asia. Remarkably-little time in station and remarkably-few breakdowns. Their Factory Fs are relatively-young ex-Air France freighters; one is like 15 y/o and the other 18 y/o, but still. For a company with a reputation as a rust-corner 36th Street carrier, they are slaying it. And they have earned my respect. (And, more-importantly, I hope, some $$$, so they can catch up everyone's pay and eventually paint those planes.)
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:18 am

N513SN is definitely flying scheduled routes, not a spare, unless by spare we mean flying every day. I think the one we were using as a spare was N542KD which is gone now. 513 planned ONT-MEM-ONT today as flights 806/917.

gdavis003 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:

FlightAware was showing a tri-hole last night for the inbound this morning which then turned back empty to SDF, but I woke up this AM and that had been switched back to the usual 763. We'll see if the MD-11 sticks around for tomorrow morning's inbound. I don't remember brown doing this last year where they would ferry the a/c back to SDF after receiving the inbound to utilize the frame during the day. Seems to reflect an increase in traffic this season compared to around this time last year


Hopefully loads will be such that the morning return will be at least a few things beyond empty cans.

As for distribution, Amazon is using leased trucks from Fluid here, plus Budget and Penske transit vans.

UPS delivery today via 4 door sedan, looks like temp Uber/Lyft drivers already roped in.


Amazon has been using some white, unmarked Sprinter vans quite a lot recently in the Birmingham area. Saw UPS (I think) using a U-Haul the other day, and my FedEx delivery today was from someone who looked brand new, as they didn't have a uniform and I hadn't seen them before. Definitely ramping it up

I've heard FX is hiring casual drivers for peak in some areas, Alabama being one of them, not sure if that's Ground or Express, if Express that's quite the diversion from "the way" as our couriers have a lot of pride in doing things the right way and casuals generally just do whatever they want. But, times they are a-changing.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:51 pm

If anyone on this thread has any inside info on the FedEx/UPS/DHL ops into and out of Milwaukee/ Madison ( including daytime repo movements of layover aircraft) for the holiday rush that information would be greatly appreciated. you can either post here or send in a private message.

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:01 pm

HPRamper wrote:
N513SN is definitely flying scheduled routes, not a spare, unless by spare we mean flying every day. I think the one we were using as a spare was N542KD which is gone now. 513 planned ONT-MEM-ONT today as flights 806/917.

gdavis003 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

Hopefully loads will be such that the morning return will be at least a few things beyond empty cans.

As for distribution, Amazon is using leased trucks from Fluid here, plus Budget and Penske transit vans.

UPS delivery today via 4 door sedan, looks like temp Uber/Lyft drivers already roped in.


Amazon has been using some white, unmarked Sprinter vans quite a lot recently in the Birmingham area. Saw UPS (I think) using a U-Haul the other day, and my FedEx delivery today was from someone who looked brand new, as they didn't have a uniform and I hadn't seen them before. Definitely ramping it up

I've heard FX is hiring casual drivers for peak in some areas, Alabama being one of them, not sure if that's Ground or Express, if Express that's quite the diversion from "the way" as our couriers have a lot of pride in doing things the right way and casuals generally just do whatever they want. But, times they are a-changing.


The package was Ground, and it was delivered by a normal FedEx Ground truck. Could have also been a trainee riding with an experienced driver I suppose.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:10 pm

wjcandee wrote:
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N756CA is back from Shanghai, going PVG-ANC-ORD today. The 747 is now awaiting its ORD-ANC late afternoon sector and presumably another overseas trip to Asia.


And now 702CA is stuck at ANC for 24 hours. I figure these girls are gonna have a little teething difficulty working right away at this tempo...

Not to jinx them, but, in contrast to WGN, SkyLease has run at an absolutely-brutal tempo from the beginning of Covid through now. LAX nonstop to Wuhan 13.5 hours, load, fly to ANC, fly to LAX. Rinse. Repeat. JFK-ANC-CSX-ANC-JFK. And repeat. Some other destinations mixed in there, a quick jaunt to MIA-LIM-MIA, then back to Asia. Remarkably-little time in station and remarkably-few breakdowns. Their Factory Fs are relatively-young ex-Air France freighters; one is like 15 y/o and the other 18 y/o, but still. For a company with a reputation as a rust-corner 36th Street carrier, they are slaying it. And they have earned my respect. (And, more-importantly, I hope, some $$$, so they can catch up everyone's pay and eventually paint those planes.)


The most important point that you are missing is that the crews are flying those airplanes broken. That's how they are getting their "reliability" numbers. Any air cargo professional knows that SkyLease is one of, if not the lowest of the 36th St. bottom feeders. Those planes are MEL'd beyond belief and then the crews are still flying them with open discrepancies, as that's how it's done on 36th St.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:54 pm

CoThG wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
CX747 wrote:
N756CA is back from Shanghai, going PVG-ANC-ORD today. The 747 is now awaiting its ORD-ANC late afternoon sector and presumably another overseas trip to Asia.


And now 702CA is stuck at ANC for 24 hours. I figure these girls are gonna have a little teething difficulty working right away at this tempo...

Not to jinx them, but, in contrast to WGN, SkyLease has run at an absolutely-brutal tempo from the beginning of Covid through now. LAX nonstop to Wuhan 13.5 hours, load, fly to ANC, fly to LAX. Rinse. Repeat. JFK-ANC-CSX-ANC-JFK. And repeat. Some other destinations mixed in there, a quick jaunt to MIA-LIM-MIA, then back to Asia. Remarkably-little time in station and remarkably-few breakdowns. Their Factory Fs are relatively-young ex-Air France freighters; one is like 15 y/o and the other 18 y/o, but still. For a company with a reputation as a rust-corner 36th Street carrier, they are slaying it. And they have earned my respect. (And, more-importantly, I hope, some $$$, so they can catch up everyone's pay and eventually paint those planes.)


The most important point that you are missing is that the crews are flying those airplanes broken. That's how they are getting their "reliability" numbers. Any air cargo professional knows that SkyLease is one of, if not the lowest of the 36th St. bottom feeders. Those planes are MEL'd beyond belief and then the crews are still flying them with open discrepancies, as that's how it's done on 36th St.
wjcandee wrote:
CX747 wrote:
N756CA is back from Shanghai, going PVG-ANC-ORD today. The 747 is now awaiting its ORD-ANC late afternoon sector and presumably another overseas trip to Asia.


And now 702CA is stuck at ANC for 24 hours. I figure these girls are gonna have a little teething difficulty working right away at this tempo...

Not to jinx them, but, in contrast to WGN, SkyLease has run at an absolutely-brutal tempo from the beginning of Covid through now. LAX nonstop to Wuhan 13.5 hours, load, fly to ANC, fly to LAX. Rinse. Repeat. JFK-ANC-CSX-ANC-JFK. And repeat. Some other destinations mixed in there, a quick jaunt to MIA-LIM-MIA, then back to Asia. Remarkably-little time in station and remarkably-few breakdowns. Their Factory Fs are relatively-young ex-Air France freighters; one is like 15 y/o and the other 18 y/o, but still. For a company with a reputation as a rust-corner 36th Street carrier, they are slaying it. And they have earned my respect. (And, more-importantly, I hope, some $$$, so they can catch up everyone's pay and eventually paint those planes.)


The SkyLease 747s were showing up at DFW a few months ago. Looked like they had been painted and patched together by a middle school shop class.....at a school for the blind. I know, doesn't mean they're not mechanically sound. Anywho, one day as they're taxiing out we ask if they can take intersection Y for departure (very common and most of the cargo guys accept, unless they're really heavy). Still 10,000 some-odd feet of runway. To which the crew responds "Can you see this thing? We'll take the full length with this airplane."

One of those moments where you laugh, and yet stand close to the crash phone.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:59 pm

CoThG wrote:
The most important point that you are missing is that the crews are flying those airplanes broken. That's how they are getting their "reliability" numbers. Any air cargo professional knows that SkyLease is one of, if not the lowest of the 36th St. bottom feeders. Those planes are MEL'd beyond belief and then the crews are still flying them with open discrepancies, as that's how it's done on 36th St.


That's a little disappointing. Interesting that that pilot of theirs who is a cardiothoracic surgeon at a major NYC hospital and a former United AMT would knowingly fly an unairworthy aircraft, which is what you are indicating that they do.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:09 pm

On a happier note, our favorite DC8 is in service for someone doing Island runs. Flew today MIA-UVF-SVD and now apparently back to MIA.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HVY833
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HVY ... 1725Z/TVSA
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:26 pm

Western Global N542KD is sitting in Cleveland as I type this. They've replaced UPS MD11s on their SDF-CLE-SDF run the last couple of days.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:49 pm

Watching an interesting routing today. FX1588 was suposes to be an out and back to DFW. after takeoff from DFW it diverted to TPA, and is now finishing its TPA-MEM leg as FX888, which seems to be a catchall number for random flights.

Rescue flight for AOG in TPA?
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:37 am

Well, a few days makes a big difference in Peak!

CURRENT WESTERN GLOBAL:

Active Fleet:

747s:
344KD Flying US-Asia
356KD Flying Military, but will probably ferry to ICN when it finishes in the Middle East
258SN Flying US-Asia

MD11s:
411SN Flying Military. Regular rotator DOV-HHN. (Was: Not flying. In maintenance for 2+ wks at SHV.) Reserved for FX peak
412SN Flying UPS. Last trip SDF-ORD. (Was: Not flying. Broken at ICN after air return.)
415JN Not flying. Was flying UPS, but air-returned to SDF and still there.
512JN Flying UPS: ONT-PHS-ONT at present.
513SN Flying Fedex MEM-California or Hawaii
581JN Flying Fedex.
799JN Flying Fedex MEM-California or Hawaii.
542KD Flying UPS. SDF-CLE at the moment. (Was: apparently broken.)
543JN Flying UPS. Presently SDF-DTW. Marked as reserved for FX peak
545JN Flying Asia. Presently China-LAX.
546JN Not flying. Has been in maintenance at SHV since May 23, 2020, so over six months. Nevertheless: reserved for FX peak
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Rest of the fleet:

MD11s:
435KD SHV from Desert 5/3/20
804SN SHV from Desert 6/29/2018


CURRENT NATIONAL CARGO:

744 converted freighters:

919CA: Flying UPS. CGN-SDF-CGN
952CA: Questionable. Was flying Asia. Been at ANC for 12 hours. (Could be waiting for a crew to arrive on DL!! :lol: )
756CA: Questionable. Has been at ORD for more than 24 hours.
702CA: Questionable. Has been at ANC for almost 48 hours on the way TO Asia from LAX.
729CA: Still in maint at SAT.


CURRENT SKY LEASE CARGO:

744Fs:

903AR: Flying Asia
904AR: Flying Asia, recently mostly LAX-WUH-ANC-LAX.

CURRENT SKYBUS JET CARGO (HVY) DC8-73CF:

OB-2059-P: Flying for somebody. Last trip MIA-UVF-SVD-MIA today (11/25). Now at MIA.


CURRENT IFL 727s:

Apparently getting ready to do something different and interesting besides Amerijet Island-hopping. All now home at PTK.

281FL Just flew to PTK yesterday (11/24), after being on the ground at MIA from 10/23 to 11/24.
215WE Flying to PTK as we speak (11/25) from MIA.
216WE Flew to PTK directly from SJU on 11/22.


CURRENT Kalitta II 727s (except for Air Horse One -- 725CK):

724CK Flying for DHL YHM-CVG for a while.
726CK Flying Islands for Amerijet. Just arrived back in MIA this afternoon (11/25/20) after 6 weeks of maintenance at OSC.
729CK Flying Islands for Amerijet. But no flights since Saturday 11/21. Apparently being repaired.
Bonus plane: 737-300 freighter 331CK: Flying Islands, apparently for IBC.


CURRENT Longtail Aviation 747-400s (Bermuda):

VQ-BWS Flying mostly LGG-DSL-KGF, with the occasional flight to JFK.
VQ-BWT Flying SDF-ANC-HKG-ANC-SDF, but diverted to ICN on return from HKG 11/25/20


CURRENT Asia Pacific Airlines 757s:

N754CS Might be flying Peak in US. Currently at Aviation Technical Services (ATS) at MCI (since 11/4/20)
688SL: Flying from Guam. Was doing the Aloha Cargo SEA-LAX-HNL-SEA rotator (replaced by ATI 767-300).
757QM: Flying from Guam. (Doing its usual GUM-HNL-GUM and similar (i.e. to KWA and TKK).
888LT: Flying from Guam. (Doing its usual HNL, PPG, MAJ and such)


CURRENT ATI Non-Amazon 767s:

N395CM: Still flying for DHL South Pacific HKG-GUM-SYD-DRW-HKG. Broken at GUM after 2-hour air-return about 24 hours ago.
N381AN: SEA-LAX-HNL-SEA rotation for Aloha Air Cargo. Formerly flown for months by Asia Pacific Airlines N688SL.
N376AN: Flying UPS for Peak since Monday 11/23/20. MIA-SDF-MIA-PHL-MIA.
N255CM (-200): Covering for one Amazon 767-200 which is still in maint. We'll see what it does after that aircraft is flying again for Amazon.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:02 pm

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KII/IFL 727: 12 cans main deck


The 727 freighters that were converted from pax birds are 12 position airplanes. IFL's 215WE and 216WE are only 11 positions as they still have a lav in them from their time at FedEx. IFL will be doing two peak runs this year. SDF-RIV-SDF and MEM-SDF-LIT-MEM.

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:24 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Well, a few days makes a big difference in Peak!


Great summery. Thank you wjcandee!


Does anyone have any more info about the carriers outside of the US?

It would be fun to see what some of the more "quirky" ones are doing and if any of the major carriers/integrators have dared to hire them.
I'm thinking Aerotranscargo, TransAVIAexport, Ruby Star, Geo-Sky and the other Georgians still flying B742-classics, Rada with their Il-62s, European/Maleth with their makeshift A343/A332 "freighters", etc.

And of course also the usual suspects of ASL, West Atlantic, Swift, SilkWay, Airbridge/CargoLogic/Volga, etc.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:30 pm

tofen wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Well, a few days makes a big difference in Peak!


Great summery. Thank you wjcandee!


Does anyone have any more info about the carriers outside of the US?

It would be fun to see what some of the more "quirky" ones are doing and if any of the major carriers/integrators have dared to hire them.
I'm thinking Aerotranscargo, TransAVIAexport, Ruby Star, Geo-Sky and the other Georgians still flying B742-classics, Rada with their Il-62s, European/Maleth with their makeshift A343/A332 "freighters", etc.

And of course also the usual suspects of ASL, West Atlantic, Swift, SilkWay, Airbridge/CargoLogic/Volga, etc.


I think a lot of those you mention will be up to their eyeballs in PPE flights with the storm of AN-124 grounding for VDA coupled with ballooning cases.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:16 pm

FlyMKG wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
KII/IFL 727: 12 cans main deck


The 727 freighters that were converted from pax birds are 12 position airplanes. IFL's 215WE and 216WE are only 11 positions as they still have a lav in them from their time at FedEx. IFL will be doing two peak runs this year. SDF-RIV-SDF and MEM-SDF-LIT-MEM.

FlyMKG


Thanks for the correction about the volume on the IFL 727s!

Also, kind cool that one of them will be flying ex-MEM again in her career. As I'm sure you know, those are 2 of the last 3 727s ever built, part of that final order of 727s by FedEx.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:37 pm

wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
The most important point that you are missing is that the crews are flying those airplanes broken. That's how they are getting their "reliability" numbers. Any air cargo professional knows that SkyLease is one of, if not the lowest of the 36th St. bottom feeders. Those planes are MEL'd beyond belief and then the crews are still flying them with open discrepancies, as that's how it's done on 36th St.


That's a little disappointing. Interesting that that pilot of theirs who is a cardiothoracic surgeon at a major NYC hospital and a former United AMT would knowingly fly an unairworthy aircraft, which is what you are indicating that they do.


Denigrating 36th Street carriers is a popular pastime, certainly among South Florida crews, and often for good (historical) reasons. However, despite GG's flaws their operational tempo is an outstanding achievement. Also, it should be noted for those unfamiliar with the trade that it is extremely common for ACMI and cargo carriers, from 5Y to KD, to frequently dispatch planes with deferred maintenance items listed. Peak season would be impossible otherwise. It is after all why the MMEL exists and it doesn't, in the eyes of the FAA and manufactures, render these aircraft not airworthy.

And, more importantly, thanks for starting a fantastic thread.
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:54 pm

gabep: Thanks for the insights!! (And for your kind words: this has been a fun thread to participate in. Spacepope talked me into it, and it has benefitted immeasurably from knowledgeable contributors like yourself! Wouldn't have done it without encouragement from JReeves96 and HPRamper, who then stepped up with some great info, and I'm so happy to see folks who really are in the middle of it speaking up and adding fantastic stuff!!!)
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:35 pm

tofen wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Well, a few days makes a big difference in Peak!


Great summery. Thank you wjcandee!


Does anyone have any more info about the carriers outside of the US?

It would be fun to see what some of the more "quirky" ones are doing and if any of the major carriers/integrators have dared to hire them.
I'm thinking Aerotranscargo, TransAVIAexport, Ruby Star, Geo-Sky and the other Georgians still flying B742-classics, Rada with their Il-62s, European/Maleth with their makeshift A343/A332 "freighters", etc.

And of course also the usual suspects of ASL, West Atlantic, Swift, SilkWay, Airbridge/CargoLogic/Volga, etc.


It has been interesting to watch the small "nodes" of 747-200F operations that are ongoing.

As time moves on, I wonder how the worldwide fleet will expand in the large widebody area. Right now, there is just no slack in the system for smaller operators or really anyone to expand with 747 style aircraft. As it was sustinctally shown above, available used 747/MD-11s are just not out there.

So, until the 777-300ERSF shows up, what does a smaller less financially capable operator do? Heck, actual used 747Fs won't be set free for years by higher tier cargo operators. Will we see 747-200Fs pulled back into service? Do we see people finding forgotten converted 747-400s still in the desert?
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:57 pm

CX747 wrote:

It has been interesting to watch the small "nodes" of 747-200F operations that are ongoing.

As time moves on, I wonder how the worldwide fleet will expand in the large widebody area. Right now, there is just no slack in the system for smaller operators or really anyone to expand with 747 style aircraft. As it was sustinctally shown above, available used 747/MD-11s are just not out there.

So, until the 777-300ERSF shows up, what does a smaller less financially capable operator do? Heck, actual used 747Fs won't be set free for years by higher tier cargo operators. Will we see 747-200Fs pulled back into service? Do we see people finding forgotten converted 747-400s still in the desert?


I think that especially once passenger operations start back up, we'll be back to where we were recently: A big GE CF6 engine crunch. These MD-11 and even 747 freighters that were brought back to life are eating up a lot of green time on the... let's just say less prime powerplants. We'll get to the point again on airlines deciding whether another overhaul is actually worth it, and seeing what frames get parked again and cannibalized for engines (we saw a former Blue Panorama 763 get bought this week by "Aircraft Engine Lease Finance" so it's already starting. National reactivating their Pratt powered 744s will put a bit of a dent in available engines as well. Fedex un-mothballed a GE powered MD-11 last month too.

The situation with the 747 classics is about as good as it's going to get. GeoSky is only operating its RB211 powered example and it has sold off the Pratt ones.

What it really comes down to is that these three-and four holers are extremely useful in the short term, but by peak next year there will be quite a bit fewer out there plying their trade.
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