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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:43 pm

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N605DL, ATI's last-remaining 757 straight freighter, is now doing back-and-forths daily DFW-TPA.


I'm thinking UPS. If you search flights between TPA-DFW and DFW-TPA, it's flying with the same flight number that UPS was using for its 757 flights between the 2 airports through last week.


Stumbled across this earlier today looking at something else for ATI - looks like N605DL had been flying CVG-DTW until Dec 12, when it was replaced on that route by N752CX, one of ATI's 757 combis, which, insofar as I can tell, is the only one of their four not doing something for the military right now.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:49 pm

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N605DL, ATI's last-remaining 757 straight freighter, is now doing back-and-forths daily DFW-TPA. It was on DHL, for whom ATI pulled it out of retirement. But I don't see DHL needing this kind of service. Post office? This one's a head-scratcher.


I'm thinking UPS. If you search flights between TPA-DFW and DFW-TPA, it's flying with the same flight number that UPS was using for its 757 flights between the 2 airports through last week.


ATI is also operating a 762 for UPS on BHM-SDF, and it's using the same flight number as the normal UPS flight so should be the same with this one
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:12 pm

I just completed my version of the wjcandee fleet review; I think we're pretty much on the same page with what we've noticed. Noteworthy changes in the last few days (several of which have already been mentioned earlier in this thread by various people):

  • Asia Pacific has started their work for UPS with N888LT between ONT, PDX, and BFI, as predicted.
  • Atlas 747-400s N404KZ and N499MC have got to UPS; N472MC to USPS
  • IFL's 727 N216WE to UPS between SDF and RIV or SBD
  • Kalitta sent a bunch of 744s to UPS Dec 13/14: N403KZ, N701CK, N707CK, N710CK, N715CK, N743CK, N782CK (heard there might be one more, but didn't find it)
  • Skylease Cargo's N903AR to UPS on Dec 14
  • Western Global's MD-11 N545JN to UPS on Dec 11; 747-400 N356KD to UPS Dec 14

Someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned an interest in up-gauging; over the last few days, here are a few flights where the operators sent a type to an airport that doesn't usually see it (example: here at MSP, we don't typically see UPS 767s - they started showing up daily on Dec 14). Some of these appear to be temporary changes in the usual equipment, others might be one-offs.

UPS
  • A306s at: LAX, SJC, SNA
  • B744s at: CAE, KOA, MDT
  • B752s at: BHM, BUR, SJC
  • B763s at: ALB, AUS, ELP, FLL, LKBB, LRD, MSP, SWF
  • MD11s at: STL

FedEx
  • A30Bs at: RDU, DTW, SAN
  • DC10s at: ATL, BDL, FSD, PHX
  • B752s at: BWI
  • B763s at: PWM

"Amazon" - I think almost all of these were one-offs; the BWI-STL shows up twice though
  • B763s to: CLT (ATI, from CVG), MSP (ATI, from SEA),STL (Atlas, from BWI)
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:30 pm

ottergoose wrote:
dcs921 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
N605DL, ATI's last-remaining 757 straight freighter, is now doing back-and-forths daily DFW-TPA.


I'm thinking UPS. If you search flights between TPA-DFW and DFW-TPA, it's flying with the same flight number that UPS was using for its 757 flights between the 2 airports through last week.


Stumbled across this earlier today looking at something else for ATI - looks like N605DL had been flying CVG-DTW until Dec 12, when it was replaced on that route by N752CX, one of ATI's 757 combis, which, insofar as I can tell, is the only one of their four not doing something for the military right now.


Correct. 754CX is in maintenance at TPA, and the other two are running military. They used 752CX previously on a DHL run for several days. It holds 10 cans, the same as a 737-400, one more than a 737-300.

What was interesting to me was that ATI was able to pull 605DL (15-pallet 757PCF) off of DHL and put it on what I trust you guys is UPS, and give DHL just the 757Combi. I guess DHL didn't need all 15 pallets on that route this week.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:31 pm

Ottergoose: So interesting!

Asia Pacific has N754CS still at ATS in MCI for servicing; I think we thought that she'd be the one to run on Peak, but I guess they pulled 888LT up from GUM to do the work.

IFL (Gulf and Caribbean Cargo) N216WE has been doing two round-trips a day between the Coast and SDF, as you point out; she's holding up reliably. Weird that 281FL is still sitting. And 215WE is doing that SDF-LIT-MEM-SDF thing for UPS, again with no issues.

Looks like both Skylease 747s are doing UPS: 903AR and 904AR. Sorry, I realize you probably knew that.

Great observations, and thanks for the work on Upgauges.

Assuming that everybody is scrounging for lift, I'm looking regularly as to whether WGN is going to manage to get 744 N344KD out of SHV and flying. It was also supposed to get MD11 N546JN back in service weeks ago. But hey, they pass up business all the time. It does look like they have matched equipment to need so as to not overextend the frailer ones. (I.e. the better ones seem to be doing the routes that require a higher tempo -- or maybe they're just lucky). So their current reliability isn't glaringly-awful at the moment. Seems like a waste to have an MD11 do SDF-CLE and sit until it needs to make a one-hour return, but that's the model.

And of course National Cargo's 5th 744, N729CA, is still sitting at SAT. I keep hoping.

And I think it's likely too late for ATI to get freshly-converted N395AN into the mix, although IAI did paint over the green sheet metal primer with grey so they could do it if they can get it through conformity fast enough.

I also noticed that N399CM, which is a dry-lease to Aloha Cargo operated by ATI, is back running LAX-HNL-LAX after 2 days down following an air return the other night to LAX. Bad time for that to happen.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:08 pm

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As Father Winter arrives for real on the North East of the USA Thursday evening..the update on the ragtag group of Aerotranscargo 747-400s begins...

ER-BAJ: LGG...Had a quieter day operating a KHN-NQZ-LGG route.

ER-BAM: Roll Tide upped the game today. Blasted out of China from SJW and routed SJW-LGG-NQZ-EBMB-NQZ. Roll Tide was shutting down at home plate NQZ just a few minutes ago. Interesting that it went direct SJW-LGG, bypassing the usual stop in NQZ.

ER-BBB: NQZ lounging still

ER-BBC: HHN...After a Westbound day of HKG-NQZ-HHN. What do you want more of??? Warm Hong Kong Weather or German Christmas Markets?....

ER-BBJ: The Upper Crust Society, Factory Made, Only Nose Loading 747 in the bunch checks in from 30,000ft and 517kts Westbound out of CGO. Routed ZAZ-NQZ-CGO-??? today.

ER-JAI: Doesn't mind MRO alone in CGK.

ER-BAC: PZU....The paxargo had an interesting day. Climbed out of CGK and headed to URC in Xinjiang, China. Bounced Westbound to KRW in Turkmenistan and then hoofed it South to Sudan at PZU.

ER-BAG: GYD-??? Sat in GYD for most of the past 24hrs and has now headed Southbound at 31,000ft.


A couple of these guys don't seem ALL that busy. My secret wish is that USPS and/or its contractor FedEx get an emergency waiver and bring a couple of them in to help out in this last week of Peak, so Johnny gets his toy truck under the Tree. I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting paid in American dollars, and at a premium price, to boot.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:10 am

For those interested, the UPS DFW hub today saw an ABX 762, 2 WGN MD11s , ATI 763 (still in it's former AAL livery so it looked very at home) and a recent arrived GTI 744.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:33 am

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For those interested, the UPS DFW hub today saw an ABX 762, 2 WGN MD11s , ATI 763 (still in it's former AAL livery so it looked very at home) and a recent arrived GTI 744.


Thank you for the on-scene report!!
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:21 am

Starting to see our payload numbers rise in the day sort and night sort for FedEx. Containers are 100% full, bulk compartment is 100% full. Tis the season. 14 days and counting...
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:35 am

I had a couple Amazon packages of Christmas items delivered today, one of the packages was shipped via UPS next day air. From the tracking info looks like it was flown on a Kalitta 747 out of ONT, thought that was cool. It's fun to track shipments and figuring out what flights they end up on.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:51 am

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I had a couple Amazon packages of Christmas items delivered today, one of the packages was shipped via UPS next day air. From the tracking info looks like it was flown on a Kalitta 747 out of ONT, thought that was cool. It's fun to track shipments and figuring out what flights they end up on.


Agreed. I do it sometimes with the Amazon stuff in the rare case these days that it's coming by air to NY through CVG or ILN rather than by ground from Maryland or whatever.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:54 am

I'm curious if any of the passenger carriers are running domestic cargo-only widebody flights to pickup for USPS or even one of the other carriers? I'm kinda surprised USPS hasn't tried to tap that capacity. I could see the airlines also selling a limited number of passenger tickets if there are addons to support USPS.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:34 am

wjcandee wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
dcs921 wrote:

I'm thinking UPS. If you search flights between TPA-DFW and DFW-TPA, it's flying with the same flight number that UPS was using for its 757 flights between the 2 airports through last week.


Stumbled across this earlier today looking at something else for ATI - looks like N605DL had been flying CVG-DTW until Dec 12, when it was replaced on that route by N752CX, one of ATI's 757 combis, which, insofar as I can tell, is the only one of their four not doing something for the military right now.


Correct. 754CX is in maintenance at TPA, and the other two are running military. They used 752CX previously on a DHL run for several days. It holds 10 cans, the same as a 737-400, one more than a 737-300.

What was interesting to me was that ATI was able to pull 605DL (15-pallet 757PCF) off of DHL and put it on what I trust you guys is UPS, and give DHL just the 757Combi. I guess DHL didn't need all 15 pallets on that route this week.

I see N752CX doing CVG-ELP later tonight for DHL.

Believe me we need the lift unless the aircraft was already committed by ATSG/ATI to another customer.

I do not see N605DL on our schedule.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:45 am

Thursday evening has arrived and the weekend is only a wakeup away. Where do we find our Kazakhstan based 747s of Aerotranscargo???

ER-BAJ: Autopilot disconnect wuuup, wuuuup and almost down in Nanchang, China. Didn't really work hard today pulling a LGG-NQZ-KHN duty shift. That said, the jets always sit at LGG for extended time periods of close to 16-20hrs.

ER-BAM: Roll Tide is Westbound over Europe at 40,000ft and 524kts. Worked a NQZ-KHN-NQZ-??? shift today.

ER-BBB: NQZ snoozing and potential draft pick to assist USPS assisting Santa in getting toys to all the good little girls & boys. Just put it on an rotator flight similar to military stuff. JFK-ORD-DEN-LAX-PHX-DFW-MIA-JFK. Cash up front, VEEEERRRRY NICE.

ER-BBC: An hour or two out of HKG westbound. Completed a HHN-NQZ-HKG-??? shift.

ER-BBJ: The Upper Crust Society, Factory Made, Only Nose Loading 747 worked a ho hum day. CGO-NQZ-FRA-NQZ. It currently cools its heels at home plate, in 1 degree farenheit weather........

ER-JAI: MRO @ CGK

ER-BAC: Misspoke during the last update. It didn't land in Sudan but continued to LOS in Nigeria for Terra Avia. Been holed up there since...OP Assist Santa Jet #2.

ER-BAG: The red headed stepson operating for Terra Avia finds himself over India at 33,000ft and 578kts. Departed Bengaluru earlier this evening.

National Airlines 747
N756CA: V1....V2.... ROTATE!!!!! CGN- SDF routine once again underway just moments ago...there are worse things and routes!!!

Western Global 747
N344KD: Whatever it is, it is taking a while. Almost two weeks downtime....

Adding a little to the mix here if that's ok. Figured a comparison to Tier One operating heavies might be fun. Both selected jets smell brand new and were delivered in June 2020.

UPS 747-8F
N621UP: Just finished up CGN-SDF. It pulled a SZX-ANC-SDF-CGN previously.

FEDEX 777F
N845FD: PVG-OAK. Currently Eastbound over the Pacific. Maybe delivering Raiders gear? To soon???? Old Slab Slides 45 knocked out MEM-KIX-PVG leading up to the current flight.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:47 am

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I see N752CX doing CVG-ELP later tonight for DHL.

Believe me we need the lift unless the aircraft was already committed by ATSG/ATI to another customer.

I do not see N605DL on our schedule.


Thank you for the update! That's so interesting. N605DL was planned to be retired, but then it did not retire: since at least September, it has been operating CVG-ELP or CVG-DTW for DHL. The rest of the 4 ATI 757-200PCFs were retired. So 605DL had been running the routes, for months, that are now being covered by N752CX. So ATI went from operating a 15-pallet ship to a 10-pallet ship for DHL, and moved the 15-pallet ship to UPS. Maybe they had a provision in the contact for 605DL that allowed them to use it elsewhere for Peak if they needed to; it's the only thing I can think of, especially if DHL is as busy as everybody else.

Thank you again for your knowledgeable posts!
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:57 am

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ER-BBB: NQZ snoozing and potential draft pick to assist USPS assisting Santa in getting toys to all the good little girls & boys. Just put it on an rotator flight similar to military stuff. JFK-ORD-DEN-LAX-PHX-DFW-MIA-JFK. Cash up front, VEEEERRRRY NICE.


OMG, I can't stop laughing. :rotfl:

I like your two draft picks.

I also like the comparison reliability-wise with 2 top-tier airlines. What? UPS didn't have the ship sit for 18 hours in ANC like National just did? I can't figure out what National's crew issue is all-of-a-sudden, given that it seems to happen almost every time they transit ANC. It used to be land-fuel-leave. Like Skylease does. 2-3 hours max. Now it is 8, 10, 18, 24 hours on the ground at ANC every time, almost. Why add aircraft if you can't crew them? The new metal is expensive and has to keep moving, but the old metal is just as valuable when there's more stuff to move than aircraft to move it, and it needs to keep up.

Would be interested to see reliability of any ex-LH MD11 at WGN vs. FDX or UPS. Well, actually, it would make me sick to my stomach.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:14 am

FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:12 am

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FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.


I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:47 am

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HPRamper wrote:
FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.


I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Just a tidbit - N381AN - our lovely American-tailed bird flying for Aloha Air Cargo - is carrying two FedEx containers of box freight HNL-SEA every day - it's unloaded and travels all of 600 feet across the ramp onto the FedEx dock to be sorted.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:42 pm

Love updates which airframes are where, with whom, & what they are doing. Hopefully N742AX leased ABX B762 in Astral colors to be delivered soon. Merry Christmas
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:58 pm

HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.


I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


Is this from existing orders or will new orders/conversions be coming into play (I'm looking at you, 757)
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:18 pm

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HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:

I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


Is this from existing orders or will new orders/conversions be coming into play (I'm looking at you, 757)

I want to say it was wrenchon who said FedEx will absolutely NOT be taking any more 757s, and he has proven to be very trustworthy. In any case, 115 757s is a lot, and we've already parked a few in the desert beyond that number.

We still have something like 50ish more 767s coming I believe. If we get anything else it's probably going to be an addon to the 777 order book or possibly some type of 757 replacement.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:33 pm

Interesting that UPS is embarking on a massive avionics upgrade program for its A300s, while FedEx is starting to retire them.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:38 pm

HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.


I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


The last A300-622R(F) that was retired was N750FD. During maintenance at MEM (Oct 6th 2019) a crack was found in the RH wing (rib 5), see SDR report FDEA2019101072506 : https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx
A temporally repair was made for a retirement flight to VCV at Jan 9th 2020.



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Interesting that UPS is embarking on a massive avionics upgrade program for its A300s, while FedEx is starting to retire them.


All UPS A300's are factory delivered between July 2000 and Aug 2006 and are relative new with a known maintenance history, all PW powered.
The FedEx A300 fleet is a mixed bag of factory delivered aircraft and relative old converted passenger aircraft, powered by GE and PW engines.
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:02 pm

747classic wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:

I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


The last A300-622R(F) that was retired was N750FD. During maintenance at MEM (Oct 6th 2019) a crack was found in the RH wing (rib 5), see SDR report FDEA2019101072506 : https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx
A temporally repair was made for a retirement flight to VCV at Jan 9th 2020.



wjcandee wrote:
Interesting that UPS is embarking on a massive avionics upgrade program for its A300s, while FedEx is starting to retire them.


All UPS A300's are factory delivered between July 2000 and Aug 2006 and are relative new with a known maintenance history, all PW powered.
The FedEx A300 fleet is a mixed bag of factory delivered aircraft and relative old converted passenger aircraft, powered by GE and PW engines.

Awesome info, thank you!
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:56 pm

3 MD10 were recently C checked N383FE & N562FE with N550FE still in LAX with structural repairs, 060 & 359 will retire around Jan 1
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:26 pm

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3 MD10 were recently C checked N383FE & N562FE with N550FE still in LAX with structural repairs, 060 & 359 will retire around Jan 1


N383FE is an MD-10-10 with just under 100,000 hours and a little over 42,000 cycles.
N562FE is an MD-10-10 with again just under 100,000 hours and surprisingly just 35,600 cycles.
N550FE is an MD-10-10 With only 92,000 hours and about 39,000 cycles.

I'm very surprised at these C checks since the reports earlier were they were trying to get rid of the -10s and just keep the -30s around a bit longer.
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:17 am

Another addition (too late for the peak !) for the UPS MD-11 fleet :
A LH Cargo MD-11F (D-ALCB) was ferried FRA-SAT at Dec 9th and re-registered N623UP at Dec 14th, to join the UPS fleet after HMV.
See : https://www.v1images.com/product/luftha ... md-11f-d-a
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:47 am

Friday night is yesterday, so where during the early AM hours of Saturday morning do we find the cargo hauling 747-400s of Aerotranscargo???

ER-BAJ: LGG for 10+ hours. The 747s tend to spend upwards of 20+ hours on the ramp there. Operated NQZ-KHN-NQZ-LGG, so it worked for a living in the past few hours.

ER-BAM: Roll Tide just shut down at home plate NQZ. Roll Tide was looking to impress today. It operated a NQZ-LGG-NQZ-SJW-NQZ 24 hour work shift.

ER-BBB: NQZ and hoping to assist Santa.

ER-BBC: Out of HHN Eastbound. Swung a HKG-NQZ-HHN-??? shift.

ER-BBJ: The Upper Crust Society, Factory Made, Only Nose Loading 747 enjoys the splendor of LHR in December. The Blue Blooded Jet pulled a NQZ-KHN-NQZ-LHR day.

ER-JAI: MRO @ CGK

ER-BAC: After hiding away in LOS for 24+ hours, it has blasted off Eastbound on a trek. Currently over Kyrgyzstan at 37,000ft and 572kts.

ER-BAG: Believed to be on the ground in KRW in Turkmenistan. Pulled a BLR-DAC-GYD-??? past 24hrs.

So, the Aerotranscargo 747s all stepped up there game in the past 24. The two wayward Aero jets operating for Terra Avia are interesting birds. Kinda "Fortune For Hire".

National Airlines 747-400
N756CA: CGN-SDF routine still going. Westbound over the Atlantic at the moment.

Western Global 747-400
N344KD: SHV with obviously an issue....

UPS 747-8F
N621UP: HKG after a SDF-ANC-HKG haul. 11+ hours fighting the Pacific in the dead of winter on the ANC-HKG Sector.

FEDEX 777F
N845FD: MEM. Old 45 Slab Slides went hardcore. PVG-OAK-MEM-EWR-MEM.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:44 am

Not a peak cargo question, but this is probably as good a place to ask as any:

Why does KFSD (Sioux Falls, SD) seem to punch so far above its weight in terms of cargo flights?

This is the list of FDX & UPS arrivals from Friday:

FDX 1543 A306 MEM
UPS 492 763 SDF
UPS 670 752 SDF
UPS 2576 763 SDF
FDX 795 A306 MEM
UPS 2572 752 SDF
UPS 491 763 YYC

Last week there were also flights to LGB and DSM among other places.

This is respectable stuff, including five heavies, for a city whose metro population (MSA) is only ~270k. That's substantially smaller than Madison, WI, for comparison. And FSD is not that far from MSP and OMA, much bigger cities.

Is FSD some sort of regional mini-hub, filling a similar function as Cedar Rapids CID?

Or is it bank traffic? I know Citi, Wells Fargo, and some other banks have major operations there.

Something else? Amazon super warehouse in the area?
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:24 am

B595 wrote:
Not a peak cargo question, but this is probably as good a place to ask as any:

Why does KFSD (Sioux Falls, SD) seem to punch so far above its weight in terms of cargo flights?

This is the list of FDX & UPS arrivals from Friday:

FDX 1543 A306 MEM
UPS 492 763 SDF
UPS 670 752 SDF
UPS 2576 763 SDF
FDX 795 A306 MEM
UPS 2572 752 SDF
UPS 491 763 YYC

Last week there were also flights to LGB and DSM among other places.

This is respectable stuff, including five heavies, for a city whose metro population (MSA) is only ~270k. That's substantially smaller than Madison, WI, for comparison. And FSD is not that far from MSP and OMA, much bigger cities.

Is FSD some sort of regional mini-hub, filling a similar function as Cedar Rapids CID?

Or is it bank traffic? I know Citi, Wells Fargo, and some other banks have major operations there.

Something else? Amazon super warehouse in the area?


Couple different angles to the answer here.
FSD might not be that large of a metro, but it's the biggest city in quite a large area, and obviously the economic center of the state. UPS and FedEx have feeders that cover the state from the FSD ramp - for instance, FX flies freight from Aberdeen, Pierre and Rapid City to feed Sioux Falls flights. It's not too far of a straight-line distance from, say, MSP, but too far to feasibly flow express airfreight through MSP. So I'm not surprised the volume is there. If Billings and Fargo can fill up widebodies once a day, FSD certainly can. Which brings me to my next point.

BIL and FAR are a bit out of the way between population centers - unless you're SEA- or MSP-bound - so you'll only see those metros getting the basic number of flights. FSD on the other hand is in a great location for tag-on transit flights. You'll see flight routings like ONT-FSD-RST, ONT-FSD-GYY, SDF-FSD-BIL, RFD-FSD-GEG. Obviously I'm making up these pairings but it's a simple illustration. If FSD rates half an A300, and BIL rates half an A300, combine the freight and give the flight two stops. You see this a lot among smaller markets with the integrators. And this is what FSD is seeing, partially.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:22 pm

Who is Asia Pacific Airlines? Saw their 757 in ONT this morning. N888LT. MGE998 ONT-PDX for UPS.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:53 pm

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Who is Asia Pacific Airlines? Saw their 757 in ONT this morning. N888LT. MGE998 ONT-PDX for UPS.


Freight airline based out of GUM. (Hence the N-numbers on its fleet.) Flies mail, cargo and fish to and around Micronesia from GUM and also service to HNL. Originally flew 727s. Now has three active 757s, one more in an HMV at ATS in MCI; thought it was going to be out for Peak but I guess not. For several months, had been flying a 757 ACMI route for Aloha Cargo HNL-SEA-LAX-HNL. During Peak, Aloha Cargo replaced them on that route with a second wet-leased 767-300 from ATI.

We had a heads-up that they would run one aircraft for UPS during Peak, starting last week, and they did; just used a different airplane than we thought they would.

Callsign is Magellan..

Their fleet is 3 757-200PCFs and one ex-Ethiopian factory-F, all with Pratts.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:02 pm

HPRamper wrote:
Couple different angles to the answer here.
FSD might not be that large of a metro, but it's the biggest city in quite a large area, and obviously the economic center of the state. UPS and FedEx have feeders that cover the state from the FSD ramp - for instance, FX flies freight from Aberdeen, Pierre and Rapid City to feed Sioux Falls flights. It's not too far of a straight-line distance from, say, MSP, but too far to feasibly flow express airfreight through MSP. So I'm not surprised the volume is there. If Billings and Fargo can fill up widebodies once a day, FSD certainly can. Which brings me to my next point.

BIL and FAR are a bit out of the way between population centers - unless you're SEA- or MSP-bound - so you'll only see those metros getting the basic number of flights. FSD on the other hand is in a great location for tag-on transit flights. You'll see flight routings like ONT-FSD-RST, ONT-FSD-GYY, SDF-FSD-BIL, RFD-FSD-GEG. Obviously I'm making up these pairings but it's a simple illustration. If FSD rates half an A300, and BIL rates half an A300, combine the freight and give the flight two stops. You see this a lot among smaller markets with the integrators. And this is what FSD is seeing, partially.

Appreciate the reply. What I’m hearing then is it’s geographic advantage on steroids. It joins CID, CAE, MHT as one of an elite group of small-city regional hubs (even if it’s not formally called a hub by either FedEx or UPS).
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:03 pm

HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
FedEx quarterly financials came out yesterday. Big wow. I see some new shiny airplanes coming in the future.


I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


Regarding the A300s retirement, will they be scrapped soon after retirement or another life with another carrier is possible?
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:37 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
jreeves96 wrote:

I was told they were slowly phasing out the MD-11/MD-10/A300. Is the 767 going to replace those work horses?

The 10s will probably be gone this next calendar year. And yes the 767 is considered the direct replacement for the 10s, although smaller.

A300s and MD11s are being retired on a different timeline, roughly later than the 10s but on a case by case basis. That's why this year a few 11s and a 300 were retired but we still have 18 of the 10s flying. Since the 767s are less airplane than the 10s and 11s, and about equal to the A300, the replacements will be a combination of the 767s and 777s with 757s to supplement.


Regarding the A300s retirement, will they be scrapped soon after retirement or another life with another carrier is possible?


HPRamper probably has more of an idea than I do, but my unprofessional opinion says scrapping for the older frames and then some Eastern Europe/Middle Eastern carrier picking up some.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:37 am

I realized I had not been documenting the daily goings-on with our favorite DC8-73CF, Skybus's OB-2059-P. She's been doing one route per day, but steady. If anybody figures out who she's working for, I'm still curious.

She can haul a lot of stuff for a narrowbody: 18 88x125 pallets on the main deck. That's basically a 767-200 (okay, one pallet less).

So nobody should discount her abilities. These are serious missions, not some 737-300 kinda thing! :smile:

Sunday 12/13: MIA-PTY (Panama City)-MIA
Tuesday 12/15: MIA-BGI (Barbados)-MIA
Wednesday 12/16: MIA-MGA (Managua)-MIA
Thursday 12/17: MIA-GEO (Guyana)-MIA
Friday 12/18: MIA-GEO-PBM (Suriname)-MIA [two stops]
Saturday 12/19: MIA-MGA-MIA
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:12 am

On a local note, have noticed that Cargolux has substantially upped their game at HSV (Huntsville, AL). Seems to be almost 1x daily LUX-HSV-ATL-LUX. These usually run once a week in non peak season. HSV also frequently sees Atlas 744s. Pretty much all of the Cargolux and Atlas ops are for Panalpina (now DSV though I think?). Such a sharp increase in frequency would certainly suggest that they are peak related though.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:35 am

wjcandee wrote:
I realized I had not been documenting the daily goings-on with our favorite DC8-73CF, Skybus's OB-2059-P. She's been doing one route per day, but steady. If anybody figures out who she's working for, I'm still curious.

She can haul a lot of stuff for a narrowbody: 18 88x125 pallets on the main deck. That's basically a 767-200 (okay, one pallet less).

So nobody should discount her abilities. These are serious missions, not some 737-300 kinda thing! :smile:

Sunday 12/13: MIA-PTY (Panama City)-MIA
Tuesday 12/15: MIA-BGI (Barbados)-MIA
Wednesday 12/16: MIA-MGA (Managua)-MIA
Thursday 12/17: MIA-GEO (Guyana)-MIA
Friday 12/18: MIA-GEO-PBM (Suriname)-MIA [two stops]
Saturday 12/19: MIA-MGA-MIA


Great to hear about the old girl. Happened to talk 8s with an older Uncle of mine. Pan Am stories and bidding 8s over 707s due to the better cockpit size. Once the 747 rolled in, well on to the Queen!!
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:00 am

Saturday evening is in full effect. Where do we find Aerotranscargo's Kazakhstan based fleet of 747-400s????

ER-BAJ: HKG-??? Westbound out of the former British Territory. Worked a LGG-NQZ-HKG-??? shift. Sat for 11+ hours in LGG.

ER-BAM: NQZ-??? Roll Tide is prepping for the next journey. Slouched today, putting in a NQZ-EBMB-NQZ effort.

ER-BBB- NQZ...Waiting for the USPS draft announcement.

ER-BBC: HKG-??? Slightly ahead of BAJ coming out of the former British Territory of HKG. Worked a HHN-NQZ-HKG-??? shift period.

ER-BBJ: The Upper Crust Society, Factory Made, Only Nose Loading 747 in the group awaits the next mission in KHN. LHR-NQZ-KHN routing today.

ER-JAI: MRO @ CGK

ER-BAC: The Terra Avia operating 747-400 paxargo pulled a trek of LOS-URC. Has since relaxed in Urumqi, China for quite some time.

ER-BAG: The red headed stepchild quickly slipped into Kandar going GYD-KDH-GYD in the past 24hrs.

National Cargo 747-400
N756CA: SDF-SAT in the past 24...believed to be scheduled maintenance downtime.

Western Global 747-400
N344KD: Ex-JAL beauty continues to hole up in SHV for a maintenance issue.

UPS 747-8F
N621UP: Sat in HKG for 10+ hrs then operated HKG-ANC

FEDEX 777F
N845FD: Has sat for 30+ hours at MEM.....
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:47 am

CX747 wrote:
Saturday evening is in full effect. Where do we find Aerotranscargo's Kazakhstan based fleet of 747-400s????


A great review as always.

I'm wondering about 756CA. It's too soon for any kind of meaningful maintenance check, I think. She came out of the desert and then to a multi-month heavy-check in SAT, from which she emerged on October 3. Yeah, she might be up for a light check, but National usually does that at MCO, so SAT means something else. Maybe it brought yet another engine for 729CA? Or at least something that they trucked to their German location and sent over on 756 like they did last time? I don't know; what I do know is that in 5 days, 729CA will have been at SAT for 3 months. Enough already, let's get her flying.

I know that ER-BBB is waiting for the call from its agent to come up to The Show; here's hoping she gets it before Peak is over already. I can't imagine that USPS doesn't need the help.

Interesting to see the brand-new metal from the major integrators just sitting. Surely they're needed for something...

One thing I did notice is that Walmart originally set a deadline of Today, Saturday 12/19 at 2pm for items to arrive by Xmas (i.e. by Thursday 12/24) when they were available for "2 day shipping". However, having missed that deadline on a couple of things, I was pleasantly-surprised to find that many 2-days shipping items I ordered today will actually arrive by Tuesday 12/22, and they're out the door already and it looks like FedEx isn't just leaving the trailer to sit for 4 days like it did 2 years ago before inducting the freight at its terminal. That's a teensy snapshot, but it suggests that their heavyhanded restrictions have had the intended effect and they're not overloaded -- at least in PA and the Southeast, where my stuff is coming from. Good for them (or bad for them if they come up short on volume and the shareholders are pissed).
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:40 am

Longtail's 744F VQ-BWS (the one in the ex-Cathay livery) is back at JFK tonight, having snuck under cover of darkness about 2 hours ago.

She flew NVI (Uzbekistan)-MST (Netherlands)-JFK. If she follows what she did last weekend, she will depart back to MST between 7 and 9 am EST.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:32 am

Things are heating up here at MSP; insofar as I can tell, UPS will be flying their own 747 here, as will Atlas and Kalitta - haven't seen three different airlines with 747s at MSP in a single day in a few years!
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:24 pm

WGN N356KD hit a light pole at CAE this morning. Chopped off entire winglet.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:49 pm

FX has 12 MD11s out of service right now - 4 in heavy check but 8 in the field with various ailments. To be expected with how hard they are being driven. Two planes down at the moment, one in ANC and one in KIX, with compressor stalls, yikes.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:15 pm

B595 wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
Couple different angles to the answer here.
FSD might not be that large of a metro, but it's the biggest city in quite a large area, and obviously the economic center of the state. UPS and FedEx have feeders that cover the state from the FSD ramp - for instance, FX flies freight from Aberdeen, Pierre and Rapid City to feed Sioux Falls flights. It's not too far of a straight-line distance from, say, MSP, but too far to feasibly flow express airfreight through MSP. So I'm not surprised the volume is there. If Billings and Fargo can fill up widebodies once a day, FSD certainly can. Which brings me to my next point.

BIL and FAR are a bit out of the way between population centers - unless you're SEA- or MSP-bound - so you'll only see those metros getting the basic number of flights. FSD on the other hand is in a great location for tag-on transit flights. You'll see flight routings like ONT-FSD-RST, ONT-FSD-GYY, SDF-FSD-BIL, RFD-FSD-GEG. Obviously I'm making up these pairings but it's a simple illustration. If FSD rates half an A300, and BIL rates half an A300, combine the freight and give the flight two stops. You see this a lot among smaller markets with the integrators. And this is what FSD is seeing, partially.

Appreciate the reply. What I’m hearing then is it’s geographic advantage on steroids. It joins CID, CAE, MHT as one of an elite group of small-city regional hubs (even if it’s not formally called a hub by either FedEx or UPS).

CAE is a much larger regional hub sort operation for the Southeast, along with PHL they cover the east coast for UPS. Currently CAE is even seeing a 747 twice daily for UPS. CID, FSD, MHT are transit stops on multileg flights. Basically they might have an abnormally high amount of flight movements but that doesn't equate to actual package volume. They have a geographic advantage of being "on the way" for many hub-spoke pairings. Otherwise you're Grand Forks, in flyover country, and you get a Cessna and some 53-foot trailers.
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:52 pm

HPRamper wrote:
FX has 12 MD11s out of service right now - 4 in heavy check but 8 in the field with various ailments. To be expected with how hard they are being driven. Two planes down at the moment, one in ANC and one in KIX, with compressor stalls, yikes.


We have been waiting for this for a while, Not only have they been ridden hard in peak, but normal utilization hasn't been getting easier for them in the off season either, and you all know my chicken little routine on engine availability.

8 MD-11 paperweights that you had hoped to be online the week before Christmas is not a fun situation, that's a lot of lift.
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:53 pm

Has UPS moved their DXB hub to SHJ? I’ve noticed a lot of flight pairings out of there recently.
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:46 pm

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WGN N356KD hit a light pole at CAE this morning. Chopped off entire winglet.


Thank you for this on-the-spot info!!

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