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Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:45 pm

Cubana Embraer 110 CU-T1541 operating Nueva Gerona-Havana route today with 15 passengers and four crew members on board reported gear problems and performed belly landing at Havana Jose Marti Airport.

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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:52 pm

A Bandeirante with four crew?
Two Flight Attendants for 18 passengers?
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:24 am

CrewBunk wrote:
A Bandeirante with four crew?
Two Flight Attendants for 18 passengers?

Maybe a mechanic on board?


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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:59 am

MGASJO wrote:
CrewBunk wrote:
A Bandeirante with four crew?
Two Flight Attendants for 18 passengers?

Maybe a mechanic on board?


Could be a government minder.
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:54 am

ScottB wrote:
MGASJO wrote:
CrewBunk wrote:
A Bandeirante with four crew?
Two Flight Attendants for 18 passengers?

Maybe a mechanic on board?


Could be a government minder.


Indeed, many countries have security personnel on the aircraft.
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:43 am

Spacepope wrote:
ScottB wrote:
MGASJO wrote:
Maybe a mechanic on board?


Could be a government minder.


Indeed, many countries have security personnel on the aircraft.


So let's speculate. What is the mission of that security person? Prevent pilots from heading to USA?
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:50 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
ScottB wrote:

Could be a government minder.


Indeed, many countries have security personnel on the aircraft.


So let's speculate. What is the mission of that security person? Prevent pilots from heading to USA?

I would say far more likely a mechanic. Not something uncommon when you're talking about flying a 40-year-old airplane into a rural airport on a relatively isolated island 30 miles offshore in a third world country where your only mx base is probably the airport you ended up droppin' it on the runway at.
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:59 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
ScottB wrote:

Could be a government minder.


Indeed, many countries have security personnel on the aircraft.


So let's speculate. What is the mission of that security person? Prevent pilots from heading to USA?

A Cubana aircraft headed to the US is not without precedent.
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:01 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
ScottB wrote:

Could be a government minder.


Indeed, many countries have security personnel on the aircraft.


So let's speculate. What is the mission of that security person? Prevent pilots from heading to USA?


In the past, it would not have been out of the ordinary for a socialist country's flag carrier to have a minder or a "political officer" on its flights. Today, though, the additional crew member (ACM) may have been there for a more pragmatic reason, such as a mechanic (which has already been suggested), or a jumpseater or a deadheader seated in the main cabin.
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:26 am

I had no idea Cubana still operated the 110! How many of those are still active?
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:05 am

Could have simply been an instructor. Anyway, it would make sense to train for the smallest aircraft in the fleet. But I would say 2 pilots + instructor + 'political servant'
when an ATR72 crashed a decade ago, there were two 'servants' onboard. counting by the numbers, Embraer 110 deserves 0.5, and the government rounded it to one
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:00 pm

CrimsonNL wrote:
I had no idea Cubana still operated the 110! How many of those are still active?


It's actually Aerotaxi Cuba. It might have two, including this one.
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:31 pm

MO11 wrote:
CrimsonNL wrote:
I had no idea Cubana still operated the 110! How many of those are still active?


It's actually Aerotaxi Cuba. It might have two, including this one.

No! Unless Aerotaxi have risen from the ashes, phoenix-like. They ceased operations over a decade ago.

The other clue is the photo of the crashed aircraft, in full CUBANA livery.

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p.s. there are/were two other active a/c (CU-T1551 and CU-T1540) with a fourth (CU-T1552) used for spares or ... who knows?

All four were previously owned by Aero Caribbean, who "merged" with Cubana in 2015.
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:45 am

Mmmmmmmm

With cell phones and advanced knowledge the gear wouldn’t come down, this “accident” would have been videotaped.....but it’s not.

The nose gear is partial extended as if the gear lever was lowered after touchdown...

Let’s wait for the verdict....
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:32 am

2 pilots, 1 cabin crew and 1 security officer, all planes in Cuba carry security officer, no exceptions.
Cuban government can't afford (politically) to have a plane kidnapped and flown to the USA, the plane will never return and it will be a issue with the US, specially with Trump still around.

According to the authorities they have a "failure in the landing gear", we will see what happens if we ever get to know the investigation report.

CU-T1541, one of the former AeroCaribbean airlines plane, I think they had 3 or 4 in the fleet, Aerocaribbean was integrated in Cubana with the ATR's, Embraers and I don't know if they still fly but they also had Il-18 and Yak-40.
 
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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:34 pm

migair54 wrote:
2 pilots, 1 cabin crew and 1 security officer, all planes in Cuba carry security officer, no exceptions.
Cuban government can't afford (politically) to have a plane kidnapped and flown to the USA, the plane will never return and it will be a issue with the US, specially with Trump still around.

According to the authorities they have a "failure in the landing gear", we will see what happens if we ever get to know the investigation report.

CU-T1541, one of the former AeroCaribbean airlines plane, I think they had 3 or 4 in the fleet, Aerocaribbean was integrated in Cubana with the ATR's, Embraers and I don't know if they still fly but they also had Il-18 and Yak-40.



Trump still around? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China.. this isn’t politics. The Cubans messed up and made a gear up landing and there is a security officer on an emb110...
NOTE...all hijacked planes and planes of defectors from Cuba have been returned...all. The defectors stayed and the others returned. The only hiccup in defectors is when the last mig 17 defected. The pilot Juan Pablo defected and the Clinton admin did not do their homework and the defector was a spy. The defector worked his way into “the brothers of Cuba” then outed them to where the Cubans shot two planes down and the defector ended back in Cuba. Uncovering one spy had a bonus....The event uncovered a deep mole in the Clinton admin, Ana Montes, who working at the DIA became one of the most damaging spy’s in US history.

Hijacked planes are always returned...why would the US want the equipment?

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Re: Cubana Embraer belly lands in Havana

Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:03 pm

reltney wrote:
migair54 wrote:
2 pilots, 1 cabin crew and 1 security officer, all planes in Cuba carry security officer, no exceptions.
Cuban government can't afford (politically) to have a plane kidnapped and flown to the USA, the plane will never return and it will be a issue with the US, specially with Trump still around.

According to the authorities they have a "failure in the landing gear", we will see what happens if we ever get to know the investigation report.

CU-T1541, one of the former AeroCaribbean airlines plane, I think they had 3 or 4 in the fleet, Aerocaribbean was integrated in Cubana with the ATR's, Embraers and I don't know if they still fly but they also had Il-18 and Yak-40.



Trump still around? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China.. this isn’t politics. The Cubans messed up and made a gear up landing and there is a security officer on an emb110...
NOTE...all hijacked planes and planes of defectors from Cuba have been returned...all. The defectors stayed and the others returned. The only hiccup in defectors is when the last mig 17 defected. The pilot Juan Pablo defected and the Clinton admin did not do their homework and the defector was a spy. The defector worked his way into “the brothers of Cuba” then outed them to where the Cubans shot two planes down and the defector ended back in Cuba. Uncovering one spy had a bonus....The event uncovered a deep mole in the Clinton admin, Ana Montes, who working at the DIA became one of the most damaging spy’s in US history.

Hijacked planes are always returned...why would the US want the equipment?

Cheers


They are not ALWAYS returned. 3 AN-2 Colts.
Story 1 https://www.theledger.com/article/LK/20030603/News/608139566/LL#:~:text=KEY%20WEST%20%2D%2D%20Two%20Cuban,of%20a%20Cuban%20double%20agent.
Story 2 https://cubaconfidential.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/seized-cuban-planes.jpg?w=481&h=297

Not sure where this C-47 is now. It is NOT back in Cuba
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This one still sits that the west end of the runway at EYW:
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