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2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:18 pm

DOT is back soliciting grant applications for its Small Community Air Development (SCASD) program.

SCASD is meant to help communities enhance air transportation by providing temporary financial support.

Grants can be utilized to attract new air-service by establishing revenue guarantees, cost offsets, or marketing support. Additionally, grant funding can be utilized to help retain or expand current service, plus for various airport facility upgrades in order to make them more attractive for air service providers.

As in past years, the priority selection criteria the DOT shall consider includes:

o Community airfares are higher than the national average
o The community or consortium will provide a portion of the cost of the activity from local sources other than airport revenue
o Communities willing establish private-public partnership to facilitate new or improved air carrier service to the public
o Provide benefits to a broader segment of the traveling public, whose access to the national air transportation system is limited
o Proposal can be implemented within a reasonable timetable and the grant monies will be used in a timely manner.

DOT this year has $13 million in funds left over from FY2019 available for grants.

Applications are due to the DOT by January 26, 2020.


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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:24 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Applications are due to the DOT by January 26, 2020.


Perhaps 2021? I'd assume it's FY 2021 as well?
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:27 pm

Its 2020 program, using FY2019 funds. Submissions are due 1/26/21.
 
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:55 pm

For anyone else who was confused by the difference between SCASDP and EAS, here's a great PDF, which explains that difference in a succinct manner (https://crp.trb.org/acrp0331/wp-content ... rogram.pdf). An example of an airport which successfully applied for and received a grant from the program is SBY (Salisbury, Maryland), a non-EAS airport.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:32 pm

Community airfares are higher than the national average

I am curious about this one. Is there a limit on the size of the market to use this money to use as a service incentive ?
 
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:42 pm

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Community airfares are higher than the national average

I am curious about this one. Is there a limit on the size of the market to use this money to use as a service incentive ?


Airport has to be an FAA defined small hub or smaller which is roughly 3.5-4 Million passengers or smaller
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:50 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
For anyone else who was confused by the difference between SCASDP and EAS, here's a great PDF, which explains that difference in a succinct manner (https://crp.trb.org/acrp0331/wp-content ... rogram.pdf). An example of an airport which successfully applied for and received a grant from the program is SBY (Salisbury, Maryland), a non-EAS airport.


While indeed different programs, interesting SCASD funds can be used to support EAS flights.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:13 pm

Isn't this like EAS??...eh, ah ok, nevermind..I hadn't read the previous post.

Is this a good idea in your opinion?
 
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:18 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
Isn't this like EAS??...eh, ah ok, nevermind..I hadn't read the previous post.

Is this a good idea in your opinion?


SCASD is typically successful in developing service that lasts w/o subsidy - EAS not so much.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:53 pm

SCASD was very successful for Santa Fe and Roswell to PHX. Both routes are ''paused'' right now but are planned to come back. Farmington, NM is also set up to get SkyWest service to DEN. It would have started Oct 15 but is also on hold until traffic picks up. What I'd like to know is how FMN fell out of the EAS program. Comparing it with Pueblo, CO, both cities had a lot of service until about 2000, both cities lost all service at one point but PUB is still EAS and now enjoys SkyWest to DEN, even right now during the worst of times. FMN lost all service when Great Lakes bellied up and had to go the different route with SCASD to get new service just to have to put it on hold so they don't blow thru the money.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:02 pm

If the subsidy went to people rather than to companies it might, for far less money, subsidize a van/sedan to the nearest airport/medical center. Planes are not the only solution for isolated communities.
 
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:28 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
If the subsidy went to people rather than to companies it might, for far less money, subsidize a van/sedan to the nearest airport/medical center. Planes are not the only solution for isolated communities.


Anybody know of a study that assesses Amtrak's bus/van connection program, like shuttling Detroit passengers south to Toledo for the eastbound WAS/NYC trains, or coastal Oregon passengers east to the Seattle-Los Angeles route?
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

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Your annual reminder that SCASD is different from EAS.
 
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:16 pm

If someone, say they work at a larger city 50-75 miles away (there are a lot of people who do these long commutes) wanted to do paid rides to town they need vehicle inspections, licenses, insurance, criminal checks and some administrative costs all of which drives costs up considerably. And most of that is needed for the safety of driver and passengers. This is where subsidies might do the most good. Add to that relief drivers and more costs. I am kind of surprised that Uber or Lyft has not made this a sub-specialty.
 
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:49 pm

I oppose this welfare program for rural areas. Let the market dictate just like it does in the urban areas for air travel. There are many advantages in living in a rural area but there are some disadvantages.
 
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I oppose this welfare program for rural areas. Let the market dictate just like it does in the urban areas for air travel.


Do you similarly oppose mass transit subsidies, ie welfare for urban areas?

This isn't a lot of money. Trump could have played golf at his own resorts a bit less in the last few years and the avoided Secret Service expense would have covered this.

https://www.aaae.org/aaae/AAAEMemberRes ... 77b2da2729
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

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Your annual reminder that SCASD is different from EAS.


Surprisingly (or maybe unsurprisingly) many a.neters don't see them as different. Many also do not realize this a not a service subsidy program, airports can propose many different ways to use the funds to try to increase service besides a subsidy or revenue guarantee.

Maybe it is the words "Small Community" in the SCASD title.

Few past recipients of SCASD grants have been small EAS airports or in rural areas. Instead SCASD grants the last two years have gone to airports such as FAI, TUL, ROA, ACY, AGS, and others. That has also been true during the history of the program.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:23 pm

As reminder, the topic of this thread is the SCASD program, not EAS.

For those that wish to discuss EAS, feel free to create another thread.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:38 pm

ultrapig wrote:
I oppose this welfare program for rural areas. Let the market dictate just like it does in the urban areas for air travel. There are many advantages in living in a rural area but there are some disadvantages.


That's it though it doesn't. The urban areas have ample completion to keep fares down while the rural areas pay through the nose so that urbanite can fly every where cheaply. Allegiant have proved that a lot of small cities are viable if your flights are priced right. I said it before the communities who want the air service should fund the short fall. Let the citizens and businesses of said community fund their air service through taxes. That way it's in their best interest to use it or lose it. With air service comes economic growth. The truth is low fares dictate the market not the amount of O/D traffic there is at over inflated fares due to lack of competition.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:34 pm

DOT issued an amendment to the application guidelines.

Per the December 27th Coronavirus Response and Relief Appropriations Act, 2021 an additional $5mil in grant monies are available, however, the selection criteria has been updated to give priority to help restore scheduled passenger air service that has been reduced or suspended as a result of the 2020 Coronavirus pandemic.

Accordingly, the due date for applications changed from January 26, 2021 to March 1, 2021.
 
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2021 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:18 pm

Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.
 
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:05 pm

BLI-DEN will easily be used for WN.

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BLI-DEN will easily be used for WN.

Flyguy


Does an airport with WN and G4 (plus AS) really need a SCASD grant?
 
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BLI-DEN will easily be used for WN.

Flyguy


By the time the grant is awarded, I bet WN will already be flying the route.
 
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wnflyguy wrote:
BLI-DEN will easily be used for WN.

Flyguy


Does an airport with WN and G4 (plus AS) really need a SCASD grant?


Well you can say that about many of the airports over the years that have applied for these grants.
I am curious as to what the * after G4 at STL means. Love when there are no explanations to asterisks LOL*.
 
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:15 pm

More details of all of the SCASD filings:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT- ... 1/document
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:45 am

The proposal from Great Bend is interesting. GBD has always been among the smaller Kansas EAS cities, and became disqualified after the SeaPort Airlines failed service. The price per customer went over the DOT's threshold and they had to suspend their service, buoyed by the outrageous GBD-ICT flight that never flew any paying customers. Obviously OO/UAx has been aggressive in picking up EAS cities, as its an affordable way to keep their CRJ-200s flying profitably after they come off contract. This is an interesting strategy for them to partner with a former EAS city to restore service.
 
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Re: 2021 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:45 am

sprxUSA wrote:
FlyPNS1 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
BLI-DEN will easily be used for WN.

Flyguy


Does an airport with WN and G4 (plus AS) really need a SCASD grant?


Well you can say that about many of the airports over the years that have applied for these grants.
I am curious as to what the * after G4 at STL means. Love when there are no explanations to asterisks LOL*.


It means St Louis refers to the city, not STL. The airport is BLV.
 
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The proposal from Great Bend is interesting. GBD has always been among the smaller Kansas EAS cities, and became disqualified after the SeaPort Airlines failed service. The price per customer went over the DOT's threshold and they had to suspend their service, buoyed by the outrageous GBD-ICT flight that never flew any paying customers. Obviously OO/UAx has been aggressive in picking up EAS cities, as its an affordable way to keep their CRJ-200s flying profitably after they come off contract. This is an interesting strategy for them to partner with a former EAS city to restore service.



Huron is doing similar but to MSP with DL codeshare, Very interesting ,indeed but my only issue with both is the one daily roundtrip to the hub. Two should be the minimum to make any sort of service dent(looking at you Cheyenne).
 
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I am a little curious how BLV thinks they are “small community” when they are in a metro of 2.8 million. I don’t know how strict the rules are though. It almost comes across as we have this plan we are doing anyway but we might as well try to get someone else to pay for it.
 
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I am a little curious how BLV thinks they are “small community” when they are in a metro of 2.8 million. I don’t know how strict the rules are though. It almost comes across as we have this plan we are doing anyway but we might as well try to get someone else to pay for it.


Interesting that St. Louis is listed in the XNA proposal as well a whole who's who of G4 cities.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 am

Is that a final list? I seem to remember reading DAY was going to submit an application.
 
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Is that a final list? I seem to remember reading DAY was going to submit an application.


I don't believe so. Today these applications were gradually published from the morning through the afternoon.

From what it looks like, the 2014 Small Community Air Service Development Program airport applications were published over the span of a week.
 
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Hope HVN makes the list, lost out last year.
 
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Hope HVN makes the list, lost out last year.

I hope so too. We need a replacement for AA with better connections to the west coast


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Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.


That has some weird stuff.

Helena-Phoenix? Why? It can't begin to be supported by O&D, and connecting traffic is well served through DEN.

HRL-ORD? Again, why? HRL-DFW-xxx gets you everywhere you need to go, and WN 1-stops HRL-MDW serve the CHI market.

Airport authorities eager to spend OPM.
 
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MIflyer12 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.


That has some weird stuff.

Helena-Phoenix? Why? It can't begin to be supported by O&D, and connecting traffic is well served through DEN.

HRL-ORD? Again, why? HRL-DFW-xxx gets you everywhere you need to go, and WN 1-stops HRL-MDW serve the CHI market.

Airport authorities eager to spend OPM.


According to HLN's application, PHX-HLN had an O&D of 6,620 but is "expected to become Helena's largest O&D market, surpassing SEA" (20,000 O&D).

As for HRL-ORD, AA began that route earlier this month and recently extended it. I haven't read through HRL's app, so I assume they're wanting to provide additional funding to further extend the route to year-round?
 
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That has some weird stuff.

Helena-Phoenix? Why? It can't begin to be supported by O&D, and connecting traffic is well served through DEN.

HRL-ORD? Again, why? HRL-DFW-xxx gets you everywhere you need to go, and WN 1-stops HRL-MDW serve the CHI market.

Airport authorities eager to spend OPM.


I had some work in Helena a few years ago and it was really a pain to get there. HLN is far enough east that SEA isn't meaningfully helpful except to and from the west coast. Things are better now with both SLC and DEN RONs, but I think service to a third "inland" hub would meaningfully increase connectivity. I don't know whether there's enough demand to support a fourth route ex-HLN, but that's true of any number of SCASD applicant cities so in my view that doesn't make an application "weird." YMMV of course.
 
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Jshank83 wrote:
I am a little curious how BLV thinks they are “small community” when they are in a metro of 2.8 million. I don’t know how strict the rules are though. It almost comes across as we have this plan we are doing anyway but we might as well try to get someone else to pay for it.


The rules for this program are administered based on the airport classifications that DOT uses, which I believe are based on enplanements. The program is for non-hubs or small hubs. BLV is classified as a non-hub so they are perfectly eligible to participate. Whether or not the DOT thinks they are worthy of funding is a different question. In my opinion, their application is sort of a shotgun approach and is not very well targeted to a specific opportunity, not to mention that everything they are trying to recruit is available at STL. So I doubt they'll be successful, but can't fault them for trying when they have the ability to do so.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:12 pm

HLN-PHX would also add a new airline to the HLN market.
 
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Jshank83 wrote:
Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.


For the record, Laughlin is in NV however the airport, IFP, is on the AZ side at Bullhead City. AA just tried IFP-PHX a few years ago and it failed rather quickly. Why would a same market be approved again? IFP seems to do well with occasional Sun Country charters but cant seem to make it with a legacy carrier operating a daily flight to a hub.
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TW787 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I am a little curious how BLV thinks they are “small community” when they are in a metro of 2.8 million. I don’t know how strict the rules are though. It almost comes across as we have this plan we are doing anyway but we might as well try to get someone else to pay for it.


The rules for this program are administered based on the airport classifications that DOT uses, which I believe are based on enplanements. The program is for non-hubs or small hubs. BLV is classified as a non-hub so they are perfectly eligible to participate. Whether or not the DOT thinks they are worthy of funding is a different question. In my opinion, their application is sort of a shotgun approach and is not very well targeted to a specific opportunity, not to mention that everything they are trying to recruit is available at STL. So I doubt they'll be successful, but can't fault them for trying when they have the ability to do so.


Reading BLV's filing they also make some assumptions that COVID reductions at STL are permanent. I think DOT knows better. You gotta give BLV credit for trying this approach. Even if not successful, they probably have some other thoughts/solutions for coming up with $650k.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:47 pm

Chuska wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.


For the record, Laughlin is in NV however the airport, IFP, is on the AZ side at Bullhead City. AA just tried IFP-PHX a few years ago and it failed rather quickly. Why would a same market be approved again? IFP seems to do well with occasional Sun Country charters but cant seem to make it with a legacy carrier operating a daily flight to a hub.


In the IFP application its constantly mentioned AA-PHX didnt work due to lack of connections from the upper Midwest, etc etc, they would prefer UA DEN, however will take AA PHX again. I dont think AA will try, but who knows $$ is $$ at this point
 
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Chuska wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Some of the bids are out for the SCASD program.
https://paxex.aero/scasdp-grant-applica ... ew-routes/

Breeze at Bentonville
United at Akron, Binghamton, Daytona Beach, Duluth
Bellingham – Denver: United or otherwise
Des Moines, IA (DSM) United Airlines (potential LAX or SFO flights) and Alaska Airlines (SEA flights).
American at Appleton
Baton Rouge to DC
Allegiant to St. Louis*
Bringing JetBlue back to Worcester
Brunswick, GA (BQK) wants more service from Delta Air Lines
Laughlin, AZ (IFP) service to Phoenix or Denver
Willard Airport (CMI) wants American Airlines to use some of its precious DCA slots
Yeager Airport (CRW) to NYC
College Station, TX (CLL) for marketing
Helena, MT American Airlines service to Phoenix.
Great Falls, MT for American Airlines service to DFW.
Hilton Head, SC fund marketing for its existing services.
Harlingen, TX for American Airlines service to Chicago – O’Hare.


For the record, Laughlin is in NV however the airport, IFP, is on the AZ side at Bullhead City. AA just tried IFP-PHX a few years ago and it failed rather quickly. Why would a same market be approved again? IFP seems to do well with occasional Sun Country charters but cant seem to make it with a legacy carrier operating a daily flight to a hub.


In the IFP application its constantly mentioned AA-PHX didnt work due to lack of connections from the upper Midwest, etc etc, they would prefer UA DEN, however will take AA PHX again. I dont think AA will try, but who knows $$ is $$ at this point


I would disagree about a "lack" of AA connections from PHX to the upper Midwest, there are many of them. However there are more from DEN and with SkyWest/UA* cleaning up on subsidized routes, I could see them trying IFP-DEN. I cant see AA trying it again to PHX either especially since AA* no longer has 50-seat RJ's at PHX.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:05 pm

For anyone who is tracking these, they are continuing to upload throughout the day - 25 more have been posted today so far.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT- ... 1/document
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:16 pm

TW787 wrote:
For anyone who is tracking these, they are continuing to upload throughout the day - 25 more have been posted today so far.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT- ... 1/document


Springfield/Branson is tied to AA and possible MIA, DCA and PHL service

Idaho Falls is tied to service with Alaska
 
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Re: 2021 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:39 pm

Chuska wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Chuska wrote:

For the record, Laughlin is in NV however the airport, IFP, is on the AZ side at Bullhead City. AA just tried IFP-PHX a few years ago and it failed rather quickly. Why would a same market be approved again? IFP seems to do well with occasional Sun Country charters but cant seem to make it with a legacy carrier operating a daily flight to a hub.


In the IFP application its constantly mentioned AA-PHX didnt work due to lack of connections from the upper Midwest, etc etc, they would prefer UA DEN, however will take AA PHX again. I dont think AA will try, but who knows $$ is $$ at this point


I would disagree about a "lack" of AA connections from PHX to the upper Midwest, there are many of them. However there are more from DEN and with SkyWest/UA* cleaning up on subsidized routes, I could see them trying IFP-DEN. I cant see AA trying it again to PHX either especially since AA* no longer has 50-seat RJ's at PHX.


There was never more than 30 people on the airplane and the lack of connections is BS, the flight was timed to connect with all of the midwest connections plus everything from the West Coast in both directions. Reality is the route just didn't work, no demand. Most flights were under 20 pax.
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:10 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Is that a final list? I seem to remember reading DAY was going to submit an application.


DAY wants funding for a marketing campaign.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0231-0074
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:40 pm

TW787 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I am a little curious how BLV thinks they are “small community” when they are in a metro of 2.8 million. I don’t know how strict the rules are though. It almost comes across as we have this plan we are doing anyway but we might as well try to get someone else to pay for it.


The rules for this program are administered based on the airport classifications that DOT uses, which I believe are based on enplanements. The program is for non-hubs or small hubs. BLV is classified as a non-hub so they are perfectly eligible to participate. Whether or not the DOT thinks they are worthy of funding is a different question. In my opinion, their application is sort of a shotgun approach and is not very well targeted to a specific opportunity, not to mention that everything they are trying to recruit is available at STL. So I doubt they'll be successful, but can't fault them for trying when they have the ability to do so.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Are they going to get anything? Probably not, but if they do, they get a bunch of new cities on OPM
 
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Re: 2020 Small Community Air Svc Development (SCASD) Program

Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:10 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
TW787 wrote:
For anyone who is tracking these, they are continuing to upload throughout the day - 25 more have been posted today so far.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT- ... 1/document


Springfield/Branson is tied to AA and possible MIA, DCA and PHL service

Idaho Falls is tied to service with Alaska


IDA-SEA starts June 17 1x day. Guess if they get the grant, good. If not, that's ok too lol.

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