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Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:34 pm

Ukraine-based Windrose Airlines has applied to operate scheduled and charter flights between Ukraine and the United States.

Specifically, the Ukraine CAA granted Windrose Airlines the authority to operate twice-weekly services between Kyiv and New York JFK. Windrose now needs U.S. approval to launch the route.

I'm not entirely sure on the meaning of their flights. They state plans to wet lease aircraft from a U.S. carrier or other foreign airline, but they eventually plan to use their own aircraft to the U.S.

Upon issuance of the requested exemption, Windrose anticipates providing foreign air transportation to and from the United States pursuant to wet leasing arrangements involving flights operated by either a U.S. air carrier or a duly licensed foreign air carrier of a country ranked as Category 1 under the FAA’s IASA program. Windrose further anticipates directly operating ad hoc charters to and from the United States using its own metal, after obtaining the required FAA operations specifications and TSA security approval.


Windrose has A321s in its fleet which can't make KBP-JFK nonstop, so they'll likely need a stopover in somewhere like Reykjavik, similar to what Ukraine Airlines originally planned with 737-900ERs but scrapped.

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0245-0001
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:06 pm

I read rumours on the web, that Windrose was looking to lease in an A330-200 for longhaul flights... This would fit!
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:14 pm

Seems like the Ukrainians love flying trans-atlantic with narrowbodies?
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:11 pm

Perhaps a good A338 candidate down the road.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:17 pm

Wind Rose operated a single A332 for around 4 years in the past, mostly on charter flights IIRC.
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:38 pm

lostsound wrote:
Perhaps a good A338 candidate down the road.


I would really like to see the difference in trip cost on the A338 vs. the A339, and on a 787-8 vs. a 787-9. It's not as if they would need the extra range. Delta did KBP-JFK with 763s.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:10 am

Buy used. The world is full of available WBs.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:17 am

Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:24 am

Bricktop wrote:
Buy used. The world is full of available WBs.


I wonder from where even a pure country like Ukraine can buy used ?
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:30 am

Is this a mostly O&D route? JFK isn't a great airport for connecting.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:49 am

NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen


Wow, you weren't kidding. What an eyesore.
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:56 am

What is a "pure" country?
Their brand gets them noticed - which I expect is the main purpose of a brand!
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:59 pm

aeroblogger wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen


Wow, you weren't kidding. What an eyesore.


I actually quite like the colours! :cloudnine:
Unfortunately same couldn't be said for the interior, which is really "psychedelic" :hypnotized:
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:00 pm

aeroblogger wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen


Wow, you weren't kidding. What an eyesore.


I actually quite like the colours! :cloudnine:
Unfortunately same couldn't be said for the interior, which is really "psychedelic" :hypnotized:
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:45 pm

NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen

It should know how to use the Eurowhite on its livery.

Btw, its livery on the ATR seems "a bit" better, while the one on the Airbuses is truly a international-level disaster.
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:42 am

Windrose just launched flights to Skopje, Belgrade and Podgorica from Kiev while Zagreb was introduced a little while ago. All of these destinations connect onto their domestic network. Seems like they are slowly building a hub in KBP.
Ukraine International replaced AeroSvit, let's see if Windrose replaces UIA.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:30 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
Is this a mostly O&D route? JFK isn't a great airport for connecting.


Maybe for connecting in KBP. PS is often used by transiting passengers (the victims on PS752 were mostly Canada-bound, intending to transfer to PS241). They would need an A332 or A333 likely.
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:25 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
Is this a mostly O&D route? JFK isn't a great airport for connecting.


JFK is the preeminent international airport for the largest O&D market in North America, so if they have to pick just one destination, that's a good one.

Anybody know if they have interline agreements with W European or North American carriers?
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:35 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
Is this a mostly O&D route? JFK isn't a great airport for connecting.


Maybe for connecting in KBP. PS is often used by transiting passengers (the victims on PS752 were mostly Canada-bound, intending to transfer to PS241). They would need an A332 or A333 likely.


Was already discussed in the PS B739 JFK route thread. The connection from TLV via KBP to N.Y. was one of the most important markets for PS in the past - even flying the B777/B767! However Windrose Airlines lacks international services - specialising more on regional services with their new ATR fleet. So I really guess their goal will be the Ukrainian diaspora in N.Y.!
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm

debonair wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
Is this a mostly O&D route? JFK isn't a great airport for connecting.


Maybe for connecting in KBP. PS is often used by transiting passengers (the victims on PS752 were mostly Canada-bound, intending to transfer to PS241). They would need an A332 or A333 likely.


Was already discussed in the PS B739 JFK route thread. The connection from TLV via KBP to N.Y. was one of the most important markets for PS in the past - even flying the B777/B767! However Windrose Airlines lacks international services - specialising more on regional services with their new ATR fleet. So I really guess their goal will be the Ukrainian diaspora in N.Y.!

There's no "rivalry" between UIA and Windrose. They share (at least some) shareholders; the code-share arrangements are fairly extensive. Think of UIA and Windrose as complementary airlines, rather than rivals. Except UIA is a predominantly an operator of Boeing metal (with some Embraer E-Jets), and Windrose mainly (until recently) an operator of ERJ's and Airbuses -- with a recent ATR addition.
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:19 pm

debonair wrote:
aeroblogger wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen


Wow, you weren't kidding. What an eyesore.


I actually quite like the colours! :cloudnine:
Unfortunately same couldn't be said for the interior, which is really "psychedelic" :hypnotized:


OMG!!! Please turn it off. This is NOT what my eyes needed to see first thing in the morning. :yuck:
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:33 pm

debonair wrote:
aeroblogger wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen


Wow, you weren't kidding. What an eyesore.


I actually quite like the colours! :cloudnine:
Unfortunately same couldn't be said for the interior, which is really "psychedelic" :hypnotized:


That "psychedelic" cabin used to belong to MH actually

 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:21 pm

Antaras wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
Windrose has the worse livery of any airline I've ever seen

It should know how to use the Eurowhite on its livery.

Btw, its livery on the ATR seems "a bit" better, while the one on the Airbuses is truly a international-level disaster.

But at least you won't forget it. Any publicity is good, whether it's bliss or trauma.
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:31 pm

I was wondering how this thread got so many posts. Then I saw the pics
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:35 pm

JeremyXWB wrote:
... used to belong to MH actually


Thank you for clarification! Shocking to find out that the plane was only delivered in 2003 to MH in this confguration...
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:48 am

Maleth Aero is already flying all-cargo flights from KBP to JFK on behalf of Windrose and Ukrposhta, the Ukraine Post with a former AtlasGlobal A330.

https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-rele ... 99236.html
 
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Re: Windrose Airlines Applies For U.S. Flights - Kyiv to New York JFK

Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:37 am

Looks like the Ukraine CAA granted Windrose 3x weekly Kyiv to New York JFK flights today instead of 2x weekly.

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0245-0002

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