Heard from a friend a little while ago at DL462 blew an escape slide taxiing out from LGA. I can’t find anything online about it but the flight did leave almost 10 hours late. Does anyone have any info??

EDIT:

Here’s an article from the NYT posted a little while ago. Two pax and a dog.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... r.amp.html

Allegedly someone wanted to walk their dog

There was a thread on this earlier today which got deleted.

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

Claustrophobia can be the real cause. RJ's can definately bring that on, especially if deicing covers the windows IMO.

Second source: https://www.foxnews.com/travel/delta-pa ... -laguardia

a/c involved was an A321

I'm not sure why the thread got deleted earlier. Maybe a Mod can enlighten all of us. ATC convo posted below courtesy of VASAviation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEUEQx8 ... DB1ODw%3A6

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

The Air Carrier Access Act sets a pretty high bar to refuse travel to passengers with a disability. PTSD is recognized as a disability in the DSM, no matter how dismissive you want to be.

MIflyer12 wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

The Air Carrier Access Act sets a pretty high bar to refuse travel to passengers with a disability. PTSD is recognized as a disability in the DSM, no matter how dismissive you want to be.

I have a lot of respect for you and for your posts, but please, 2 people and a dog? C'mon.

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

nah just let them (and by let them I mean make them) pay for the cost of re-packing the slide. Couple 100Ks every time someone does this will cause them to stop and think about it real quick.

MIflyer12 wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

The Air Carrier Access Act sets a pretty high bar to refuse travel to passengers with a disability. PTSD is recognized as a disability in the DSM, no matter how dismissive you want to be.

I would think that the carrier could argue that they aren't banning them for the disability but due to prior vandalism.

deltal1011man wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

nah just let them (and by let them I mean make them) pay for the cost of re-packing the slide. Couple 100Ks every time someone does this will cause them to stop and think about it real quick.

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

MIflyer12 wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

The Air Carrier Access Act sets a pretty high bar to refuse travel to passengers with a disability. PTSD is recognized as a disability in the DSM, no matter how dismissive you want to be.

No it doesn't. It merely states that the disability cannot be the reason to refuse service, not that any and all bad/dangerous decisions made by a passenger and blamed on a disability are exempt.

Airlines may not refuse transportation to people on the basis of disability. Airlines may exclude anyone from a flight if carrying the person would be inimical to the safety of the flight. If a carrier excludes a person with a disability on safety grounds, the carrier must provide a written explanation of the decision.

Popping a slide hits that second category perfectly.

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsu ... this%20law.

Florida man strikes again....

WayexTDI wrote:

deltal1011man wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

When people do stuff like this, they should be put on a no-fly list for 25+ years. On every airline. To every destination. That will end it. PTSD???? Whatever. The ones now suffering PTSD are the other passengers and crew from that flight.

nah just let them (and by let them I mean make them) pay for the cost of re-packing the slide. Couple 100Ks every time someone does this will cause them to stop and think about it real quick.

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

Emotional distress for what? Nobody forced them to get on the plane. There's more to it than just repacking the slide. It's taking the plane out of service, rebooking all the other passengers, etc.

WayexTDI wrote:

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

What emotional distress did the airline cause?

Also it isn't as simple as repack the slide and everything is all good it isn't that simple.

The delay to the customers has a cost as well. I hope the dog wasn’t too freaked out by going down the slide.

Oh, and the people, but really, the dog.

Did they take that poor dog down the slide as well? I hope they will find him a real home..

jayunited wrote:

WayexTDI wrote:

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

What emotional distress did the airline cause?

Also it isn't as simple as repack the slide and everything is all good it isn't that simple.

What emotional distress? Well Delta should have known the man had PTSD and understood beforehand the risk involved in allowing the reservation to go through. (joking)

WayexTDI wrote:

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

May be on a stationary plane, assuming this happened on taxi out, the slide may be damaged if it was dragged. What if it opens inside, it would have injured them and other passengers.

If anyone is at fault it is the ESA, failed to calm him down.

He's a jailbird, a bank robber with additional run-ins with the law. Says he got PTSD from jail, not from any military service. Whatever. He knows he's got that condition so he shouldn't be flying. Not only did he delay the Delta flight and 100+ folks on that - according to the NYPA it caused other ground delays involving hundreds of other passengers. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/12/22 ... o-murdock/ ''But I didn't hurt anyone'' he says. No one takes responsibility for themselves anymore.

slvrblt wrote:

He's a jailbird, a bank robber with additional run-ins with the law. Says he got PTSD from jail, not from any military service. Whatever. He knows he's got that condition so he shouldn't be flying. Not only did he delay the Delta flight and 100+ folks on that - according to the NYPA it caused other ground delays involving hundreds of other passengers. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/12/22 ... o-murdock/ ''But I didn't hurt anyone'' he says. No one takes responsibility for themselves anymore.

If that's all true, then even more reason to consider a 20-25 year ban on flying across the entire system, and a steep fine. Seriously, to hell with these people.

johns624 wrote:

WayexTDI wrote:

deltal1011man wrote:

nah just let them (and by let them I mean make them) pay for the cost of re-packing the slide. Couple 100Ks every time someone does this will cause them to stop and think about it real quick.

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

Emotional distress for what? Nobody forced them to get on the plane. There's more to it than just repacking the slide. It's taking the plane out of service, rebooking all the other passengers, etc.

Lawyers do not need to state the actual truth, just a believable story that's medically next to impossible to counter.
As far as taking the plane out of service, a lot of slides (those in the doors) can be changed in a short amount of time; flight will be delayed, but no need to rebook passengers.

jayunited wrote:

WayexTDI wrote:

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

What emotional distress did the airline cause?

Lawyers do not need the actual truth, just a believable story.

jayunited wrote:

Also it isn't as simple as repack the slide and everything is all good it isn't that simple.

What else is needed? Slide is repacked in a 145 Repair Station, but line maintenance replaces it with a serviceable unit.

dtw2hyd wrote:

WayexTDI wrote:

Except it doesn't cost that much to repack a slide; and, with a good lawyer, at best (for the general public) their liability insurance would pay for it, at worst they'd make the airline pay for emotional distress...

May be on a stationary plane, assuming this happened on taxi out, the slide may be damaged if it was dragged. What if it opens inside, it would have injured them and other passengers.

If anyone is at fault it is the ESA, failed to calm him down.

If the slide opened inside, then it's an issue bigger than just a pax opening an armed door: the slide manufacturer and the aircraft manufacturer will have a lot of explaining to do, as it's not supposed to happen.
And, if the slide did deploy inside, then you can be sure the offending pax will definitely claim PTSD... just watch.

Diabetics are regularly reminded on their web sites that while diabetes is indeed a disability (although if well controlled maybe not much), but if driving and it low blood glucose causes unconsciousness which causes an accident the driver is totally responsible. I say 25 years no fly no airline no anywhere.

WayexTDI wrote:

As far as taking the plane out of service, a lot of slides (those in the doors) can be changed in a short amount of time; flight will be delayed, but no need to rebook passengers.

Did you read the article. The flight was delayed for 4 hours and passengers rebooked. Also, since it was a flight into ATL, the great majority were probably connecting passengers that needed to be rebooked. Here's a win-win low cost scenario. They don't sue the airline for "emotional distress" if the airline doesn't prosecute them. Delta bans them. What other airlines decide to do is up to them.

Another case of deltaphobia.

I guess there is going to be more fine print in the carriage agreement: Delta assumes no liability for the actions and resulting property damage wherever situate on Delta-branded property of individuals diagnosed, believed to be diagnosed, was prior diagnosed or is in the process of being diagnosed with any mental incapacity protected under the disability law, or claim that any flight under any and all circumstances have caused or further incited any mental incapacity whenever and wherever such damage occurs, and that passengers agree that boarding our aircraft Delta assumes no liability for such actions and that Delta reserves the right to pursue legal recourse for full reimbursement of such property damage that may occur under these circumstances directly from the individual or legal guardian/power of attorney. Can someone put that in fewer words?

He might be getting a PTSD refresher course or, at least, a hefty fine and an opportunity to take AMTRAK.

TYWoolman wrote:

I guess there is going to be more fine print in the carriage agreement: Delta assumes no liability for the actions and resulting property damage wherever situate on Delta-branded property of individuals diagnosed, believed to be diagnosed, was prior diagnosed or is in the process of being diagnosed with any mental incapacity protected under the disability law, or claim that any flight under any and all circumstances have caused or further incited any mental incapacity whenever and wherever such damage occurs, and that passengers agree that boarding our aircraft Delta assumes no liability for such actions and that Delta reserves the right to pursue legal recourse for full reimbursement of such property damage that may occur under these circumstances directly from the individual or legal guardian/power of attorney. Can someone put that in fewer words?

Laws generally cannot be contracted out of, any more than you can agree to be paid less than minimum wage in an employment agreement.

Send this SOB to prison if he can’t pay for all the expenses his dumbass actions caused the airline.