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Bostrom
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:38 am

Ryanair just lost two court cases. The ECJ has ruled that the state aid given to SAS and Finnair was legal.

Press releases (PDFs):
The SAS-case: Swedish, Danish, Finnish, English
The Finnair-case: Swedish, Danish, Finnish, English
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:23 pm

SAS' 45th A320neo is scheduled for delivery today

Airbus A320 -251N 10265 SE-RUF SAS delivery 14apr21 TLS-ARN “Gunnar viking”
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:55 am

Bostrom wrote:
Ryanair just lost two court cases. The ECJ has ruled that the state aid given to SAS and Finnair was legal.

Press releases (PDFs):
The SAS-case: Swedish, Danish, Finnish, English
The Finnair-case: Swedish, Danish, Finnish, English

Hands up who did not see this resolution to emerge ...
Flying high and low
 
debonair
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:48 pm

Air Leap is starting with 2 new off-shots after acquiring https://www.airgotland.se/ , https://www.airskane.se/ and https://www.airhalland.se/ ... I am getting confused by all these new start-ups.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:52 am

Wizz Air further expands from Republika Srpska to Sweden. BNX-MMX starts from 07.06 while BNX-NYO will operate from 06.06.

Given the difficult economic situation at NYO, I am sure they were more than happy when this route was announced.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2021/04/wi ... -luka.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:21 am

debonair wrote:
Air Leap is starting with 2 new off-shots after acquiring https://www.airgotland.se/ , https://www.airskane.se/ and https://www.airhalland.se/ ... I am getting confused by all these new start-ups.


This is what BRA did years back isn’t it? With every town having its own carrier and then Malmo Aviation in Stockholm. Eventually they all become BRA. Not sure why it’s done. Seems pointless to me.
 
Bostrom
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:06 pm

Sälen is getting scheduled summer traffic, maybe. BRA have announced Bromma-Sälen and Ängelholm-Sälen, both twice weekly during July and the first half of August.
 
Someone83
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:01 pm

Nordic March traffic numbers:

OSL: 282.469 - Domestic: 282.469, International: 57.987
ARN: 219.850 - Domestic: 80.484, International: 139.366
CPH: 148.877 - Domestic: 31.159, International: 117.718
HEL: 118.091 - Domestic: 44.994, International: 73.097
KEF: 16.622

Looking at the relative numbers vs March 2019, and development in the relative traffic sine last month, the traffic at each airport compared to the 2019 was as following in March

OSL: 12,1% +1,3pp
ARN: 10,6% +0,7pp
CPH: 6,3% +1,0pp
HEL: 8,5% +1,0pp
KEF: 2,8% +0,5pp

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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:56 pm

EFHK wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
I know that demand is not very high on the 5 domestic routes in Finland which are being PSO'ed... but when are the winners of the PSO tenders going to be announced ? PSO service is meant to start on 19 April - ie just over 3 weeks' time


Apparently they've now been published.

Winners:

HEL-JOE Amapola (F50)
HEL-JYV NyxAir (SF3(?))
HEL-KAJ Raf-Avia (SF3)
HEL-KOK-KEM NyxAir (S20/AT4(?))

From travelling public point of view: inconsistent and unsure
From aviation enthusiast point of view: Yey! I'll get to fly the Saabs and a Fokker!


From what I hear, Raf-Avia har been disqualified due to lack of the availability to perform GPS based approaches, so HEL-KAJ goes to DAT instead
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:45 pm

A few domestic routes in Norway have been formally advertised for PSO bids

Florø–Oslo
Ørsta-Volda–Oslo
Stokmarknes–Bodø
Stokmarknes–Tromsø

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 8958625584
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 8958625584
https://www.regjeringen.no/en/find-docu ... nter/anbud
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:36 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
A few domestic routes in Norway have been formally advertised for PSO bids

Florø–Oslo
Ørsta-Volda–Oslo
Stokmarknes–Bodø
Stokmarknes–Tromsø

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 8958625584
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 8958625584
https://www.regjeringen.no/en/find-docu ... nter/anbud


Note that the routes to Stokmarknes is only for 6 months (October '21 to March '22) as it from March '22 will be part of the main PSO package that covers all PSO routes in Northern Norway

I'll be very surprised if Widerøe doesn't get Ørsta-Volda and Stockmarknes, as it has much higher requirements to the aircraft types due to the short runways

Florø is more open, and several years ago, DAT actually flew with their ATRs here
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:41 am

SAS will temporarily operate Airbus A330-300s on their CPH-LHR route every Tuesday in April and May starting 27 April.

Schedule:
SK501 CPH-LHR 06:00-07:10 A333 Tue
SK502 LHR-CPH 08:10-11:00 A333 Tue
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:51 am

The Swedish government just announced that they want to close Bromma "as soon as possible".
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:53 am

Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:02 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


If that ever happens, its time to move from Norway.
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:11 pm

Someone83 wrote:
EFHK wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
I know that demand is not very high on the 5 domestic routes in Finland which are being PSO'ed... but when are the winners of the PSO tenders going to be announced ? PSO service is meant to start on 19 April - ie just over 3 weeks' time


Apparently they've now been published.

Winners:

HEL-JOE Amapola (F50)
HEL-JYV NyxAir (SF3(?))
HEL-KAJ Raf-Avia (SF3)
HEL-KOK-KEM NyxAir (S20/AT4(?))

From travelling public point of view: inconsistent and unsure
From aviation enthusiast point of view: Yey! I'll get to fly the Saabs and a Fokker!


From what I hear, Raf-Avia har been disqualified due to lack of the availability to perform GPS based approaches, so HEL-KAJ goes to DAT instead


Yes. I'm not complaining about that at all.

From an aviation enthusiast point of view there's a silver lining in having to settle for domestic travel for now. At least I'll now get the chance to still fly & log some new aircraft types - both of the Saabs (JYV & KOK-KEM), ATR-42 (KAJ), F50 (JOE) & EM2 (POR (PSO route flown by Base Budapest Aircraft Services)). If there weren't these restrictions, I'd probably be flying somewhere abroad.

Oykie wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


If that ever happens, its time to move from Norway.


I don't live in Norway, but if this trend will spread, I might have to move to Texas much sooner than I thought.
 
VSMUT
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:55 pm

EFHK wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
EFHK wrote:

Apparently they've now been published.

Winners:

HEL-JOE Amapola (F50)
HEL-JYV NyxAir (SF3(?))
HEL-KAJ Raf-Avia (SF3)
HEL-KOK-KEM NyxAir (S20/AT4(?))

From travelling public point of view: inconsistent and unsure
From aviation enthusiast point of view: Yey! I'll get to fly the Saabs and a Fokker!


From what I hear, Raf-Avia har been disqualified due to lack of the availability to perform GPS based approaches, so HEL-KAJ goes to DAT instead


Yes. I'm not complaining about that at all.

From an aviation enthusiast point of view there's a silver lining in having to settle for domestic travel for now. At least I'll now get the chance to still fly & log some new aircraft types - both of the Saabs (JYV & KOK-KEM), ATR-42 (KAJ), F50 (JOE) & EM2 (POR (PSO route flown by Base Budapest Aircraft Services)). If there weren't these restrictions, I'd probably be flying somewhere abroad.


Locked behind a pay-wall, but from the headline, check-in.dk confirms it.
https://check-in.dk/dat-fravrister-fins ... -raf-avia/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:15 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Would that even be legal?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:22 pm

Suppose you introduce a very expensive tax, so that after a person has taken their permitted annual allowance of flying, a person must then pay an extra 1000 EUR per scheduled hour of flight.
I'm guessing that such a tax would be legal if approved by the Storting / Norwegian Parliament

Yes, this is just an idea, but there are probably other alternate ways of achieving the same aim as well
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:40 am

Flyr’s ICAO code will be: FOX

Still nothing about IATA code or callsign
 
sabby
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:57 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that actually needs Aviation due to the Geography and low population density.

If they Green Parties were truly concerned about environment, they would limit the number of non-biodegradable crap people consume per year, limit number of ferries and cargo ships, number of bovine creatures (and effectively consumption of dairy and red meat), limit consumption of new things (consumer electronics, cars incl electric cars, skis etc. ) and rather extend longevity of those, improve maintenance and serviceability. But that won't garner attention and affect more people.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:07 pm

sabby wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that actually needs Aviation due to the Geography and low population density.

If they Green Parties were truly concerned about environment, they would limit the number of non-biodegradable crap people consume per year, limit number of ferries and cargo ships, number of bovine creatures (and effectively consumption of dairy and red meat), limit consumption of new things (consumer electronics, cars incl electric cars, skis etc. ) and rather extend longevity of those, improve maintenance and serviceability. But that won't garner attention and affect more people.



Who let the tree huggers on an aviation forum..?
Fly more/Have fun...!!!!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:11 pm

sabby wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that actually needs Aviation due to the Geography and low population density.

If they Green Parties were truly concerned about environment, they would... ...limit number of ferries and cargo ships...


Not that I disagree with your overall point, but ferries are greener than aircraft. Besides which, Norway is one of the leaders in non-fossil fuel powered ships. They have at this point a sizeable fleet of fully-electric ferries, hybrid-battery-electric/diesel, hydrogen and LNG powered vessels.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:24 am

LN-RGF, another 737-800, has been returned to the lessor by SAS

From Skyliner:
Boeing 737 -86N 38038 4429 LN-RGF SAS ferried 26apr21 ARN-MPL, all white on return to lessor
 
Blerg
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:24 pm

Starting from 20th June, Air Serbia will be boosting BEG-OSL from 2 to 3 weekly. Flights are already in the system.
 
sabby
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:54 pm

VSMUT wrote:
sabby wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that actually needs Aviation due to the Geography and low population density.

If they Green Parties were truly concerned about environment, they would... ...limit number of ferries and cargo ships...


Not that I disagree with your overall point, but ferries are greener than aircraft. Besides which, Norway is one of the leaders in non-fossil fuel powered ships. They have at this point a sizeable fleet of fully-electric ferries, hybrid-battery-electric/diesel, hydrogen and LNG powered vessels.


Actually I was thinking cruise ships in my mind but wrote ferries.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:57 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
sabby wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Norwegian Green party proposes limits on number of flights a person may take each year
https://simpleflying.com/norway-green-party-flight-cap/


Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that actually needs Aviation due to the Geography and low population density.

If they Green Parties were truly concerned about environment, they would limit the number of non-biodegradable crap people consume per year, limit number of ferries and cargo ships, number of bovine creatures (and effectively consumption of dairy and red meat), limit consumption of new things (consumer electronics, cars incl electric cars, skis etc. ) and rather extend longevity of those, improve maintenance and serviceability. But that won't garner attention and affect more people.



Who let the tree huggers on an aviation forum..?
Fly more/Have fun...!!!!


If you read my post carefully, I'm actually calling out the "tree huggers" for craving attention and not walking their talk. Aircrafts are by design the most efficient and environment friendly they can be.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:50 pm

FredrikHAD wrote:
EFHK wrote:
I was recently doing a little road trip in Sweden* (thanks to which I can now place e.g. THN, HAD, KID & RNB on the map), and got wondering a bit more about flights to the medium-sized towns of Sweden somewhat close to Stockholm, that have decent airports, but not really proper service (such as KSD, GVX, NRK, JKG, ORB, BLE).

These airports appear to be too close to Stockholm to sustain service there, but could they still hold enough demand to sustain service elsewhere?
...
(*Yes, naughty, I know... But when your longest contacts in the country are the hotel receptionists, the risks are most likely significantly lower than when hanging at the local neighborhood pubs in Helsinki (which would have been the most likely alternative pastime).)


I wrote a bit about the flights from such airports to STO, not specifically addressing your question about other destinations than STO, if you care to read:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411733&p=21143623&hilit=klr#p21143623

I know AJR (Arvidsjaur, not very close to STO to say the least, but still a very small municipality and catchment area) has flights to Germany from time to time. That is because of the vast car testing operations in the area, mainly in wintertime. Lots of car manufacturers have major testing facilities there, for instance Mercedes. They haul people from Germany and the return flight is then offered to the public. Other charters are (were) also available from time to time. Seeing a 737 at AJR was quite unexpected for me the first time I saw it as I arrived in an almost empty Saab 340 using the regular service (NextJet at the time I think).

Others have given you some insight on airports closer to STO and I think lots of those will close shortly, just as VST (Västerås) is. ESK (Eskilstuna) was planning to open some sort of regular flights, but I can't imagine that will happen now. Nyköping (NYO, "Stockholm" Skavsta) is the exception as they have lots of established routes all over Europe (and beyond?) along with lots of freight going through that airport. Swedish Coastguards use NYO as their base for their three Q300's and some smaller freight companies use NYO as well. I guess NYO is the cheaper and less busy alternative to ARN. Long gone are the days when we sat in the sun on runway 27 (now renamed 26) waiting for our turn to get in the glider :)

If you ever do another roadtrip to Sweden, I can give you some tips on where to spot in NYO and HAD!

/Fredrik


EKT, not ESK (the latter is an Turkish airbase). I doubt there was any real plans, just big (day) dreams from our local politicians.
Västerås or Skavsta didn't do well so I doubt Kjula (EKT) would do any better. You also have to remember that the government rejected an application from
the city politicians to give the airport international status 1 year ago (pre-covid).* In the very remote chance that there will any kind of commercial operations
at EKT/ESSU I think it will be freight due to airport being located adjacent to Eskilstuna Logistics Park. However I would assume freight would arrive
by train (Svealandsbanan is just to the south) or truck (E20 freeway between Göteborg-Örebro-Stockholm is just to the north),

The city owned companies that owns/manages the airport also previously worked with a private entity but it was cancelled due to the offer from
the private entity being too low/not good enough. https://news.cision.com/se/eskilstuna-l ... s,c3294572

As for the actual airport itself, it was designed to handle fighter jets** and not modern commercial jetliners and the cost of upgrading the airport (extending runway a bit,
widening the taxiways, extending the apron, building a new terminal building and etc) would probably be quite much bigger then the roi.
The airport has also only been owned by the city for about 14 years since the bought it from the airforce in 2007.

* https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/sorml ... ell-status
** (slightly ot) If you look at aerial photos you will quite easily see the airport's two additional spare runways.
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:10 am

Egypt Air will from mid October operate a 1x weekly Aarhus-Hurghada charter using A220-300

In Danish:
https://check-in.dk/egyptair-med-charte ... s-airport/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:11 pm

Anko Van der Werff is appointed the new CEO of SAS. The Dutchman comes from Avianca Holding, and has experience from AeroMexico, Qatar Airways and Air France-KLM


https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... t-and-ceo/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:42 pm

From the painting of Flyr's coming LN-FGB

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=487217329090730
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 7:00 pm

Flyr has chosen ground handlers in Norway: Menzies at OSL, Widerøe at EVE, while BGO, TRD, SVG, BOO and TOS goes to Aviator
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 10:15 am

Ryanair has announced a new base at BLL, with 2 aircraft

https://bll.dk/da-dk/om-lufthavnen/pres ... eddelelser
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 11:25 am

Someone83 wrote:
Ryanair has announced a new base at BLL, with 2 aircraft

https://bll.dk/da-dk/om-lufthavnen/pres ... eddelelser


How different is Billund to CPH when it comes to local legislation? FR had many issues in Denmark in the past but they seem to be back there.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 3:33 pm

a350lover wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Ryanair has announced a new base at BLL, with 2 aircraft

https://bll.dk/da-dk/om-lufthavnen/pres ... eddelelser


How different is Billund to CPH when it comes to local legislation? FR had many issues in Denmark in the past but they seem to be back there.


The have flown to Denmark for a long time. This is the first time they are opening a base in Denmark since they fled from the unions in 2015. IMO, really bad news, I hope they get kicked out as swiftly as last time.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 3:36 pm

Absolutely….. hope the BLL local unions are strong.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 3:42 pm

There's a lot of people in air travel related employment who are probably surplus to what an airport really needs. I imagine Billund airport has lost a lot of money since March 2020, and will be hoping to cut costs - employees do not have a strong bargaining position right now
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 3:59 pm

Ryanair will either sign a CBA with a Danish union for the staff based at Billund (cockpit and cabin crew), or they will find themselves without any ground handling, fuelling or catering services. My money is on them doing the usual, which is de-basing the aircraft.
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 11:57 am

With Ryanair opening a base at Arlanda, along with routes to Gothenburg and Malmo, I'm wondering what BRA can or should do in a world where Bromma is closed. If Ryanair's base at Arlanda works, there is little to stop them opening Arlanda-Lulea or Arlanda-Umea in 2022. BRA clearly can't compete on cost... is going into NextJet territory a possibility or does that lead to bankruptcy ? Is competing on frequency really going to work ? Merger with other small regionals like Amapola and Air Leap ? Open more thin routes at GOT ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 12:11 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
With Ryanair opening a base at Arlanda, along with routes to Gothenburg and Malmo, I'm wondering what BRA can or should do in a world where Bromma is closed. If Ryanair's base at Arlanda works, there is little to stop them opening Arlanda-Lulea or Arlanda-Umea in 2022. BRA clearly can't compete on cost... is going into NextJet territory a possibility or does that lead to bankruptcy ? Is competing on frequency really going to work ? Merger with other small regionals like Amapola and Air Leap ? Open more thin routes at GOT ?


BRA is more or less fully dependent on BMA as an independent carrier

What can possible stop Ryanair from expanding domestic from ARN is prime time slot availability
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 1:04 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
With Ryanair opening a base at Arlanda, along with routes to Gothenburg and Malmo, I'm wondering what BRA can or should do in a world where Bromma is closed. If Ryanair's base at Arlanda works, there is little to stop them opening Arlanda-Lulea or Arlanda-Umea in 2022. BRA clearly can't compete on cost... is going into NextJet territory a possibility or does that lead to bankruptcy ? Is competing on frequency really going to work ? Merger with other small regionals like Amapola and Air Leap ? Open more thin routes at GOT ?


BRA needs to find a new niche. It seemed to realise just before the pandemic that it need to expand and announced new routes to RIX, TLL and Oslo. If they go to ARN they will need to find their niche. I would suggest it is smaller international regional routes which SAS and Ryanair don't compete on. Along with some of the busier domestic routes to allow connections. It's not going to be easy. They should have kept their A220 order which would be ideal for new operations from ARN.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 1:30 pm

Ryanair to launch ARN-BNX which is the capital city of the Serb Republic. Interesting that two airlines will fly from Stockholm area to Banja Luka while there are no year-round flights to Zagreb from Stockholm.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2021/05/ry ... rvice.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 4:56 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
With Ryanair opening a base at Arlanda, along with routes to Gothenburg and Malmo, I'm wondering what BRA can or should do in a world where Bromma is closed. If Ryanair's base at Arlanda works, there is little to stop them opening Arlanda-Lulea or Arlanda-Umea in 2022. BRA clearly can't compete on cost... is going into NextJet territory a possibility or does that lead to bankruptcy ? Is competing on frequency really going to work ? Merger with other small regionals like Amapola and Air Leap ? Open more thin routes at GOT ?


BRA needs to find a new niche. It seemed to realise just before the pandemic that it need to expand and announced new routes to RIX, TLL and Oslo. If they go to ARN they will need to find their niche. I would suggest it is smaller international regional routes which SAS and Ryanair don't compete on. Along with some of the busier domestic routes to allow connections. It's not going to be easy. They should have kept their A220 order which would be ideal for new operations from ARN.


They could be a good complement to SK, with domestic feed to SK’s international network. A number of pre-COVID routes will probably be too small for SK, and combining SK and BRA (where BRA is SK’s regional Service) could be a possibility.
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:02 pm

Air Dolomiti further expands their presence at secondary Scandinavian airports, this time with a new Frankfurt-Ronneby-Kalmar-Frankfurt triangle route, although the Ronneby-Kalmar part won't be bookable for local passengers.
Flights will be 5x weekly, starting on 19 September and will be operated by Embraer E195s.

Schedule:
EN8880 FRA-RNB 12:00-13:35
EN8882 RNB-KLR 14:20-14:50
EN8883 KLR-FRA 15:35-17:25

Link: https://www.airdolomiti.eu/press-area/a ... -frankfurt
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:21 pm

SASViking wrote:
Air Dolomiti further expands their presence at secondary Scandinavian airports, this time with a new Frankfurt-Ronneby-Kalmar-Frankfurt triangle route, although the Ronneby-Kalmar part won't be bookable for local passengers.
Flights will be 5x weekly, starting on 19 September and will be operated by Embraer E195s.

Schedule:
EN8880 FRA-RNB 12:00-13:35
EN8882 RNB-KLR 14:20-14:50
EN8883 KLR-FRA 15:35-17:25

Link: https://www.airdolomiti.eu/press-area/a ... -frankfurt


I understand these are actually Air Dolomiti flight, although of course coordinated with Lufthansa, and not like the "regular" MUC-OSL they currently operate which in just a Lufthansa flight operated by Air Dolomiti?

Key difference is that Air Dolomiti is not part of Star Alliance, so you don't get any miles or other benefit, if your not member of Miles&More, but another Star Alliance frequent traveller program
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:23 pm

Why will Ronneby+Kalmar work, when Jonkoping+Karlstad, on which LH have plenty of data via bmi, remains unserved ? Are they betting that they are so far by train from CPH/ARN that pax end up having to fly to a hub to get anywhere ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 3:37 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Why will Ronneby+Kalmar work, when Jonkoping+Karlstad, on which LH have plenty of data via bmi, remains unserved ? Are they betting that they are so far by train from CPH/ARN that pax end up having to fly to a hub to get anywhere ?


It won’t work. It’s just using public funds to subsidize a route that will attract very few passengers. What is remarkable is that EN will go this low.. I had higher hopes for a LH group member.
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:08 pm

Do you see Ryanair entering HEL?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Fri May 07, 2021 4:25 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SASViking wrote:
Air Dolomiti further expands their presence at secondary Scandinavian airports, this time with a new Frankfurt-Ronneby-Kalmar-Frankfurt triangle route, although the Ronneby-Kalmar part won't be bookable for local passengers.
Flights will be 5x weekly, starting on 19 September and will be operated by Embraer E195s.

Schedule:
EN8880 FRA-RNB 12:00-13:35
EN8882 RNB-KLR 14:20-14:50
EN8883 KLR-FRA 15:35-17:25

Link: https://www.airdolomiti.eu/press-area/a ... -frankfurt


I understand these are actually Air Dolomiti flight, although of course coordinated with Lufthansa, and not like the "regular" MUC-OSL they currently operate which in just a Lufthansa flight operated by Air Dolomiti?

Key difference is that Air Dolomiti is not part of Star Alliance, so you don't get any miles or other benefit, if your not member of Miles&More, but another Star Alliance frequent traveller program

They are indeed proper Air Dolomiti flights, and not Lufthansa flights operated by Air Dolomiti. The only coordination with LH on this route is that EN is a part of the Lufthansa Group so the flights are also bookable on the Lufthansa website so passengers can connect onwards. There's not even a LH-codeshare on this route.
The EN/*A stuff is tricky. As I understand it, you get lounge access on proper EN-flights from MUC, Italy (except MXP) and Austria as a *G member. *G members also get the additional baggage allowance except on "Light" fares. You indeed don't earn any points as a member of other non-LH Group *A FF programs except for the AC and UA ones
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2021

Sat May 08, 2021 1:38 pm

a350lover wrote:
Do you see Ryanair entering HEL?

In 2015, Ryanair's CCO David O'Brien told YLE the airline is interested in opening routes from Helsinki. Before HEL, Ryanair would go to ARN and OSL.
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