MareBorealis wrote:

Blerg wrote:

Anyone know how the AY flights performed out of ARN?

The first ARN-HKT flight had 135 pax, according to https://www.thephuketnews.com/finnair-b ... -81813.php

The opening seremonies in ARN: https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/10/27 ... and-miami/

Thank you, let's hope loads pick up.

According på Maersk's Q3 report (page 15) Star Air will be getting 3 additional 767Fs in 2022, and 2 new 777Fs in 2024

https://investor.maersk.com/static-file ... 8a79d985b3

Flyr has just announced OSL-LPA. 2x weekly from mid-December. Then 3x from January

This could be just a blip, but all the winter seasonal 2x weekly non-stop flights between London Heathrow and Lulea from Dec 2021 to March 2022 seem to be marked as "Unavailable" on the SAS website, and other websites are showing zero availability

davidjohnson6 wrote:

This could be just a blip, but all the winter seasonal 2x weekly non-stop flights between London Heathrow and Lulea from Dec 2021 to March 2022 seem to be marked as "Unavailable" on the SAS website, and other websites are showing zero availability

They are flying Scandinavian Mountains - Heathrow every Saturday.

When searching for Lulea - LHR the flight prices are very high and quite a few flights are sold out. On some days the only flight offered is Lulea-ARN-CPH-LHR! Could it be the flights are sold out? Perhaps block booked by someone?

The Lulea - London route was meant to run from December 2020 to March 2021, but Covid killed that off
In May 2021, there was a publicity relaunch for the winter 2021/2022 season - see https://www.swedavia.com/lulea/news/ny- ... -december/
I could understand a single flight being block booked - but for every flight to be block booked in early November from mid-December to mid-March seems a little unlikely - if this happened, then I think SAS would add a 3rd weekly rotation

Separately, thanks for picking up on the London - Salen/Trysil route - I forgot to check it - SAS seem to have cut it to just 3 Sundays in February - nothing on Saturdays or any other dates

seansasLCY wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

This could be just a blip, but all the winter seasonal 2x weekly non-stop flights between London Heathrow and Lulea from Dec 2021 to March 2022 seem to be marked as "Unavailable" on the SAS website, and other websites are showing zero availability

They are flying Scandinavian Mountains - Heathrow every Saturday.

When searching for Lulea - LHR the flight prices are very high and quite a few flights are sold out. On some days the only flight offered is Lulea-ARN-CPH-LHR! Could it be the flights are sold out? Perhaps block booked by someone?

They are blocked for sale because the flights wont operate.

SASViking wrote:

seansasLCY wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

This could be just a blip, but all the winter seasonal 2x weekly non-stop flights between London Heathrow and Lulea from Dec 2021 to March 2022 seem to be marked as "Unavailable" on the SAS website, and other websites are showing zero availability

They are flying Scandinavian Mountains - Heathrow every Saturday.

When searching for Lulea - LHR the flight prices are very high and quite a few flights are sold out. On some days the only flight offered is Lulea-ARN-CPH-LHR! Could it be the flights are sold out? Perhaps block booked by someone?

They are blocked for sale because the flights wont operate.

Do you know the reason behind the cancellation of the Lulea and Scandinavian Mountains services?

Flyr has announced 3 new routes from OSL
BER 4x weekly from March 27
BCN 4x weekly from March 27
BRU 4x weekly from May 4

seansasLCY wrote:

SASViking wrote:

seansasLCY wrote:

They are flying Scandinavian Mountains - Heathrow every Saturday.

When searching for Lulea - LHR the flight prices are very high and quite a few flights are sold out. On some days the only flight offered is Lulea-ARN-CPH-LHR! Could it be the flights are sold out? Perhaps block booked by someone?

They are blocked for sale because the flights wont operate.

Do you know the reason behind the cancellation of the Lulea and Scandinavian Mountains services?

SCR-LHR isn't cancelled only LLA-LHR. If I remember correctly the routes were in a cooperation with a UK tour operator. So I'm guessing that the tour operator will focus on SCR only this season

PLAY has added two summer seasonal routes from KEF:
-AGP - begins 29th May, ends 18th September
-PMI - begins 1st June, ends 14th September
Both to be served 1x weekly

PLAY's booking system also shows a small number of flights to OTP in late December/early January

TexasAirCorp wrote:

PLAY has added two summer seasonal routes from KEF:
-AGP - begins 29th May, ends 18th September
-PMI - begins 1st June, ends 14th September
Both to be served 1x weekly

PLAY's booking system also shows a small number of flights to OTP in late December/early January

WAW is the same, but like OTP, and unlike the other announcements it's not listed under the destination page, so possibly a charter with a tour company that the airline has opened for general/public reservation on the system, not that I know any details.

The Spanish sources I've found for AGP and PMI (one of which: https://www.preferente.com/la-chispa/pl ... 13225.html) mention a 180-seat A320. I haven't found any other mention of the seat count on any other media, though at the moment they have 192-seat A321neos that were ex-Interjet and yet to be reconfigured. Their press release in September (https://www.flyplay.com/play-has-signed ... w-aircraft) mentioned they signed an LOI for two A320neos to be received by summer 2022, so I guess these flights will be operated by those since they won't be due any more aircraft until after summer next year.

PLAY also announced earlier in October that GOT, SVG, and TRD would begin during the latter part of May 2022: https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17917713 (in Norwegian)

Still nothing for the flights to the US, although a more-updated route map with an arrow towards the US with a label for "Spring 2021" (and with more European destinations marked than the public website version) is on page 22 of their Q3 results linked from their investor relations page. (Interestingly WAW is marked but OTP is not, but possibly not surprising if WAW will eventually be grown by PLAY given that WOW continually served WAW.)

SAS and Leap has signed an LoI for what is essentially an interline agreement from 2022

In Norwegian:
https://www.mynewsdesk.com/no/air-leap/ ... essrelease

Awesome news! Finnair adds Helsinki – Dallas/Fort Worth from 7 February 2022!

AY019 HEL 16:00 – 18:05 DFW
AY020 DFW 20:40 – 14:55+1 HEL

Route will be operated with Airbus A350 on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Additionally, Finnair increases flights to Delhi from 4 to 7 weekly from June 2022. It seems AY wants more foothold in the India – U.S market.

Finnair

Flyr is planning on raising an additional $29 million after a 'bigger than expected' Q3 loss

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -3q21-loss

QuawerAir wrote:

Awesome news! Finnair adds Helsinki – Dallas/Fort Worth from 7 February 2022!

AY019 HEL 16:00 – 18:05 DFW
AY020 DFW 20:40 – 14:55+1 HEL

Route will be operated with Airbus A350 on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Additionally, Finnair increases flights to Delhi from 4 to 7 weekly from June 2022. It seems AY wants more foothold in the India – U.S market.

Finnair

How are the connection times looking for U.S-India via HEL?

Would think that chasing after these route has a much lower yield compared to their Japan/China services.

lesfalls wrote:

QuawerAir wrote:

Awesome news! Finnair adds Helsinki – Dallas/Fort Worth from 7 February 2022!

AY019 HEL 16:00 – 18:05 DFW
AY020 DFW 20:40 – 14:55+1 HEL

Route will be operated with Airbus A350 on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Additionally, Finnair increases flights to Delhi from 4 to 7 weekly from June 2022. It seems AY wants more foothold in the India – U.S market.

Finnair

How are the connection times looking for U.S-India via HEL?

Would think that chasing after these route has a much lower yield compared to their Japan/China services.

Connections appear to be rather poor during the S22 season:
Dallas–Delhi transfer time at HEL is roughly 9 hours,
Delhi–Dallas around 22 hours (DFW departs at 12:25 during the summer season).

With the winter schedule transfers are much shorter: DFW–DEL is 5 hours and DEL–DFW only 2 hours.

Another new route from PLAY:

KEF-PRG - Twice weekly from 5th May

TexasAirCorp wrote:

Another new route from PLAY:

KEF-PRG - Twice weekly from 5th May

And also:

KEF-BLQ - 2 weekly from 7th June.
KEF-STR - 2 weekly from 3rd June
KEF-LIS - 2 weekly from 13th May.

OSL had 1.583.790 passengers in October, equal to 61,6% of the October 2019 level.

This meant about 400.000 more than in September, and an improvement of 15 percentage point vs same month in 2019


Domestic: 857,969 +92% up from Oct 2020
International: 725,821 +518% up from Oct 2020

factsonly wrote:

Finnair has ambitious plans for S22, HEL - AMS 2x daily A359 in summer:

- HEL 08:10 - AMS 09:45 AY1301 359 daily
- HEL 16:15 - AMS 17:45 AY1305 359 daily

https://www.finnair.com

History repeats itself, AY routed long-haul DC8-63 and DC10-30 HEL-AMS-JFK and HEL-CPH-AMS-JFK v.v.

LHR will also be a daily A350 and daily A330 along with 2 daily A320 family flights.

nascar1 wrote:

TexasAirCorp wrote:

Another new route from PLAY:

KEF-PRG - Twice weekly from 5th May

And also:

KEF-BLQ - 2 weekly from 7th June.
KEF-STR - 2 weekly from 3rd June
KEF-LIS - 2 weekly from 13th May.

The whole 'we won't expand fast like WOW' thing seems to have gone out the window

I wish Play or FI would expand seasonally southwards to FCO,ATH,LCA

Ryanair has announced further routes for summer 22 from Arlanda. New additions include daily flights to Lulea and three weekly flights to Visby.

https://www.mynewsdesk.com/swedavia/pre ... on-3143229

When will Icelandair announce North America Summer 2022 schedule? With those additional 737s and US reopening I would think an expansion is in the works.

strangeplanes wrote:

When will Icelandair announce North America Summer 2022 schedule? With those additional 737s and US reopening I would think an expansion is in the works.

Any news are announced in stages, BWI has already been added to the system as a new destination along with all destinations from S21 plus ANC and YVR. Only NA destinations from pre-Covid that are yet to be added are PHL, YEG and YUL. That excludes cities such as CLE, DFW, MCI and TPA that were already suspended due to the MAX grounding, time will tell if they return at any point in some capacity.

The route planning is still very dynamic due to the fluctuating situation, so don't expect any wholesale announcement with a ton of new additions but rather small news bits here and there.

So are these Euro A350 flights on AY because of cargo or are they experiencing a narrowbody shortage?

Jyvaskyla and Pori both have PSO routes to Helsinki, but pax numbers are modest. Furthermore, the train to Helsinki airport take about 3h20

In October 2021 (ie vaccines widely available, summer holidays long over, and Finland substantially returned to normal), Jyvaskyla saw 519 domestic pax, while Pori saw 685 domestic pax. Multiply by 12 and pax numbers are still low.
Kokkola has low pax numbers as well, but it's a more remote place than either Pori or Jyvaskyla

Jyvaskyla-Helsinki is flown 2x daily on weekdays with a Saab 340 or Saab 2000, and daily on Saturdays
Pori-Helsinki is flown 3x daily on weekdays on an Embraer 120

I know Jyvaskyla as a major air force base will not lose its runway any time soon, but how keen is Finnish Govt (local or national) to continue providing subsidy cash for Helsinki flights to Pori and Jyvaskyla beyond summer 2022 ?

https://yle.fi/news/3-12094316

Blerg wrote:

So are these Euro A350 flights on AY because of cargo or are they experiencing a narrowbody shortage?

To be honest I think the main reason is just that in the tentative S22 schedules, AY has 3 359 flights that fly overnight to each direction (SIN, HKG, HND), so AMS is probably just about figuring out something for those planes to do during daytime.

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Jyvaskyla and Pori both have PSO routes to Helsinki, but pax numbers are modest. Furthermore, the train to Helsinki airport take about 3h20

In October 2021 (ie vaccines widely available, summer holidays long over, and Finland substantially returned to normal), Jyvaskyla saw 519 domestic pax, while Pori saw 685 domestic pax. Multiply by 12 and pax numbers are still low.
Kokkola has low pax numbers as well, but it's a more remote place than either Pori or Jyvaskyla

Jyvaskyla-Helsinki is flown 2x daily on weekdays with a Saab 340 or Saab 2000, and daily on Saturdays
Pori-Helsinki is flown 3x daily on weekdays on an Embraer 120

I know Jyvaskyla as a major air force base will not lose its runway any time soon, but how keen is Finnish Govt (local or national) to continue providing subsidy cash for Helsinki flights to Pori and Jyvaskyla beyond summer 2022 ?

https://yle.fi/news/3-12094316

JYV is one of the more recent PSO routes that was part of the tender issued last year. It is the route that is most problematic as a stand-alone one - there's quite little incentive to fly JYV-HEL instead of train, bus or driving, especially when the carrier is a shady/obscure Estonian one flying old planes (public perception - not necessarily mine). The whole point of having the flights to JYV would be to provide onward connections to Europe, and as AY has not agreed to interline with NyxAir, these are not really that feasible for now.

(It could be that AY's ultimate goal is to drive the other operators out of the routes (JYV, JOE, KOK, KEM) due to poor profitability, and let DAT take them over at a later time, but this is purely speculative from my part. To my understanding, DAT is the only one they've agreed to interline with, and is a co-owner of Norra.)

Politically, it could be a bit hard to drop subsidies for JYV, but not for the others. I'm not sure whether that could actually happen or not, but personally I'd wish that the politicians would see the connection between passenger numbers and onward connection opportunities.

POR is a bit different story, there it has been the local city itself providing the subsidies, and so far they have appeared keen to keep on doing so. The passenger numbers were not all that great on that route even before the pandemic. (To be fair, it's a bit surprising to me that they're stronger than JYV, although the operation has been running for a longer time and the operator has more local awareness in the area.)

As a side note, I flew HEL-POR in May, and was 1 out of the 9 passengers onboard. JYV-HEL I did on NyxAir in August on a Saturday morning, I was 1 out of 3 passengers onboard. Interestingly, the ATR-42 operating the flight (ES-NTB) still had pretty much the original Finncomm interior (OH-ATC), even though it flew in Colombia between 2014-2020.

EFHK wrote:

Blerg wrote:

So are these Euro A350 flights on AY because of cargo or are they experiencing a narrowbody shortage?

To be honest I think the main reason is just that in the tentative S22 schedules, AY has 3 359 flights that fly overnight to each direction (SIN, HKG, HND), so AMS is probably just about figuring out something for those planes to do during daytime.
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I believe cargo has a significant role with all their regular intra-Europe widebody flights, like it was with LHR and BRU before the Covid crisis.

MareBorealis wrote:

EFHK wrote:

Blerg wrote:

So are these Euro A350 flights on AY because of cargo or are they experiencing a narrowbody shortage?

To be honest I think the main reason is just that in the tentative S22 schedules, AY has 3 359 flights that fly overnight to each direction (SIN, HKG, HND), so AMS is probably just about figuring out something for those planes to do during daytime.
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I believe cargo has a significant role with all their regular intra-Europe widebody flights, like it was with LHR and BRU before the Covid crisis.

Thank you, any idea what they are carrying and if it's just transferring in Helsinki or are those Finnish exports going to those places or the other way around?

Blerg wrote:

MareBorealis wrote:

EFHK wrote:

To be honest I think the main reason is just that in the tentative S22 schedules, AY has 3 359 flights that fly overnight to each direction (SIN, HKG, HND), so AMS is probably just about figuring out something for those planes to do during daytime.
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I believe cargo has a significant role with all their regular intra-Europe widebody flights, like it was with LHR and BRU before the Covid crisis.

Thank you, any idea what they are carrying and if it's just transferring in Helsinki or are those Finnish exports going to those places or the other way around?

In their own words, Finnair Cargo specialises in flying high-value items between Europe and Asia. Just read before Covid the most common single product on their planes was Norwegian salmon, around 20 million kilos/year carried to Asia.

Looks like SunClass plans to add an A330-900 tomtheir fleet by next Winter (2022/2023)

SunClass also confirms A321neo at a later stage.

In Swedish:
https://www.ving.se/flyg/flygbolag/sunc ... mLGT5lPSJ8

Finland and China agreed this week to lift the maximum number of flights from Finland to Shanghai from the previous 7 to 14. Pre-COVID there were already 14 weekly flights to PVG with daily AY and Juneyao so practically the new maximum is 21. Some other restrictions regarding destinations were also scrapped.

https://www.lvm.fi/en/-/finland-and-chi ... ai-1584368

Nami wrote:

Finland and China agreed this week to lift the maximum number of flights from Finland to Shanghai from the previous 7 to 14. Pre-COVID there were already 14 weekly flights to PVG with daily AY and Juneyao so practically the new maximum is 21. Some other restrictions regarding destinations were also scrapped.

https://www.lvm.fi/en/-/finland-and-chi ... ai-1584368

AY must be pleased, they have been eager to add capacity to Shanghai (+ Beijing) for years and years. Now they only need China to be opened.

MareBorealis wrote:

AY must be pleased, they have been eager to add capacity to Shanghai (+ Beijing) for years and years. Now they only need China to be opened.

China is the last country to lift or ease travel restrictions.

I do not see Asia traffic picking up anytime soon. It’s a win looking a couple years to the future, hopefully.

Ryanair adds two Spanish routes to HEL: Alicante and Barcelona Girona in S22. Both routes will be flown twice a week.

Ryanair will also add Stansted-Växjö twice weekly.

I notice from FR24, that until about 15-Nov, the Arlanda-Arvidsjaur-Gallivare route was flown by Nordica under their ND IATA code, but for the last 2 weeks, it seems to have been operated by a Gullivair ATR, but continuing to use a ND IATA code. Of the 2 CRJs in Nordica's fleet, 1 is ACMI'ing for SAS, while the other seems to still be flying but not very much
The Nordica website says all flights until Tues 14-Dec will be operated by Guinea Airlines (presumably an IATA code mismatch). I suspect that somebody loaded Gullivair for a period of 1 month from 15-Nov, not knowing when the true expiry of this arrangement would be

Anyone know the story behind this ?

Couple of things:

Air Leap has taken all BMA routes off sale and seemingly abandoned all their new regional brands (Air Skane, Air Gotland, Air Halland). BMA-HAD has been replaced with ARN-HAD operating on an almost identical schedule. I assume this is in preparation for the SAS interline deal?

PLAY's new Airbus A320neo, a frame ntu by SaudiGulf Airlines, has been registered TF-PPA and has been ferried to OSR for paint (I assume?)

More new destinations for PLAY from KEF:

-BRU - 3x weekly - begins 24th May
-DUB - 3x weekly - begins 28th April
-MAD - 2x weekly - begins 19th June

davidjohnson6 wrote:

I notice from FR24, that until about 15-Nov, the Arlanda-Arvidsjaur-Gallivare route was flown by Nordica under their ND IATA code, but for the last 2 weeks, it seems to have been operated by a Gullivair ATR, but continuing to use a ND IATA code. Of the 2 CRJs in Nordica's fleet, 1 is ACMI'ing for SAS, while the other seems to still be flying but not very much
The Nordica website says all flights until Tues 14-Dec will be operated by Guinea Airlines (presumably an IATA code mismatch). I suspect that somebody loaded Gullivair for a period of 1 month from 15-Nov, not knowing when the true expiry of this arrangement would be

Anyone know the story behind this ?

Hearsay mostly, but... new global reporting format for braking action caused some problems for the CRJ to operate to Gällivare in winter time. Flights were being operated with an Xfly ATR operating for Nordica, but the Xfly ATR capacity was requested/needed by SAS so another operator was contracted by Nordica. By the way, only one CRJ is on the Nordica AOC (ES-ACD).

Finnair will launch 3x weekly Helsinki - Seattle from 1st June 2022. https://www.finnair.com/en/bluewings/de ... st-2452516

They will also increase Stockholm Arlanda - JFK to daily and ARN-LAX to 4x weekly.

seansasLCY wrote:

Finnair will launch 3x weekly Helsinki - Seattle from 1st June 2022. https://www.finnair.com/en/bluewings/de ... st-2452516

They will also increase Stockholm Arlanda - JFK to daily and ARN-LAX to 4x weekly.

So Finnair return to SEA, good luck! They had a HEL-SEA summer service some 35 yers ago with DC-10, in the late 1980's the routing was HEL-SEA-LAX.

The number of Christmas holiday tourists arriving in the five northernmost airports in Finland this year is likely to hit pre-Covid levels. In Dec 2019 the five airports in far north received 724 charter flights, mainly from the UK and Central-Europe.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12219261

Why no secondary cities in Sweden can sustain regular vacation routes to places like Spain or Greece like SVG, BGO, TRD, AAL, BLL or AAR does?

I am thinking of places like Malmo, Umea or Lulea. Sweden is all manly about ARN and GOT.

a350lover wrote:

Why no secondary cities in Sweden can sustain regular vacation routes to places like Spain or Greece like SVG, BGO, TRD, AAL, BLL or AAR does?

I am thinking of places like Malmo, Umea or Lulea. Sweden is all manly about ARN and GOT.

Malmø is covered by CPH