Boeing 737MAX Return to Service Thread

Revelation · Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:15 pm

qf789 wrote:
Southwest 737MAX now back in service

https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status ... 17644?s=21

... and nary a peep was heard.

I guess FR is the next shoe to fall, but that awaits certification of the 737-8200.

I suspect the UK media swarm will try to make a stir.

Presuming that at best has a temporary impact, I think we can say MAX RTS has been a success.

SRQLOT · Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:17 pm

Avgeek21 wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
In Poland, Enter Air has said that it’s first revenue flight should be in middle of March, so definitely soon.
https://www.rynek-lotniczy.pl/mobile/en ... 10922.html

While LOT moved the 2 of 5 Maxes from Lublin to Warsaw, and the other 3 will fly to WAW by end of March. All will get a C-check at LOTAMS in Warsaw. So I’m guessing at earliest it will be beginning of April before they fly with LOT? Is LOT the only airline doing C-checks, and are they really necessary?
https://next.gazeta.pl/next/7,151003,26 ... szawy.html

I tried to read up about it but found nowhere it says anything about a C check. I didn’t read anyone else mentioning it here.

Aren’t the C checks a requirement for RTS after storage? All stored flydubai’s MAX aircraft will undergo a C check too.

qf789 · Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:54 am

Turkish Airlines is planning to resume 737MAX8 service from 12 Apr 21 initially to AYT and ESB and 737MAX9 service from 10 May 21 to NBO, DJI, MGQ, ODS

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 25184?s=20

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 34368?s=20

During May TK plans to operate 737MAX8 to up to 29 destinations at low frequency

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 75555?s=20

qf789 · Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:55 am

Icelandair 737MAX8 to start BOS (tentatively) from 4 Apr 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 90657?s=20

qf789 · Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:01 pm

MIAT Mongolian planning on ULN-NRT in April, 737MAX8 service 2 weekly

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 94529?s=20

zanl188 · Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:35 pm

Do we have any nuts and bolts details of the modifications required to return these aircraft to service?

Ronaldo747 · Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:39 pm

When I look into FR24 in the night time or early morning I see no red eye operations in the US, while the Canadian and Mexican airplanes are already on their ways. The first MAX aircraft (most of them AA) appears just after sunrise in the eastern US day by day so far. So is there any night time restrictions in place for the MAX in the US?

TropicalSky · Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm

weren't they flying this prior to the grounding?

qf789 wrote:
Icelandair 737MAX8 to start BOS (tentatively) from 4 Apr 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 90657?s=20

itripreport · Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:45 pm

Ronaldo747 wrote:
When I look into FR24 in the night time or early morning I see no red eye operations in the US, while the Canadian and Mexican airplanes are already on their ways. The first MAX aircraft (most of them AA) appears just after sunrise in the eastern US day by day so far. So is there any night time restrictions in place for the MAX in the US?

AA has a red eye 737 MAX flight, SAN-MIA, leaving SAN at 11PM PT and arriving at 6:43 AM ET the next day,

dcajet · Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:04 am

Aerolineas Argentinas MAX 8 LV-HKU made a test flight today at AEP, should enter service shortly, initially within Argentina. First AR MAX to fly since March 2019.

Photo --> Jorge Quaglini (@jqfotoyvideo)

dcajet · Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:22 am

COPA is now deploying the MAX 9 on the PTY-EZE route. one of their longest ones

FiscAutTecGarte · Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:53 pm

FAA certifies Boeing 737 MAX 8200 (high density 200 seat). EASA says it will certify soon. This is the high density 8MAX ordered by Ryanair and Viejet...

https://www.aerotime.aero/27594-faa-cer ... 37max-8200

I don't know if any of those have been built yet for Ryanair or VietJet, nor when they will start receiving them.. Regardless, it's good news for the MAX program.

Opus99 · Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:08 am

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
FAA certifies Boeing 737 MAX 8200 (high density 200 seat). EASA says it will certify soon. This is the high density 8MAX ordered by Ryanair and Viejet...

https://www.aerotime.aero/27594-faa-cer ... 37max-8200

I don't know if any of those have been built yet for Ryanair or VietJet, nor when they will start receiving them.. Regardless, it's good news for the MAX program.

Many have been built. They have even started customer flights

xwb777 · Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:36 am

Sialkot, Pakistan will be Flydubai’s first city to receive the B737MAX on 08APR21.

Source: Flydubai Instagram Account

Captaincurious · Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:04 pm

FAA Proposes AD For Boeing 737 MAX Fuel Quantity Processor Unit
https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 72.article

Avgeek21 · Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:28 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Sialkot, Pakistan will be Flydubai’s first city to receive the B737MAX on 08APR21.

Source: Flydubai Instagram Account

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-04/flydubai-to-resume-flying-boeing-737-max-jets-from-april-8

ikolkyo · Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:05 pm

Did the FlyDubai MAX 9s ever enter service before the grounding? I know they had them before I don’t think they ever did

Avgeek21 · Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:21 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Did the FlyDubai MAX 9s ever enter service before the grounding? I know they had them before I don’t think they ever did

Yes but only -FNB and -FNC. FNA was supposed to ferry to DXB just days before the grounding and returned to GSO in the States where she still is. The other 2 entered commercial service in FEB and MAR and flew to Kuwait, Zanzibar, Dar Es Salaam, Bahrain, Muscat, Tashkent and Bucharest.

REDHL · Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:33 pm

In a similar stance to Vietnam, India's DGCA has authorized the 737 MAX to overfly its territory.

Furthermore, the agency will issue "special flight permits" to allow lessors to fly their MAXes out of India for storage or maintenance/refurbish reasons:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 78255.html

ikolkyo · Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:36 pm

What’s the hold up on the DGCA lifting its ban?

Revelation · Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:07 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
What’s the hold up on the DGCA lifting its ban?

I'll give you ten guesses, but you'll probably only need one or two.

ikolkyo · Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:15 pm

Revelation wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
What’s the hold up on the DGCA lifting its ban?

I'll give you ten guesses, but you'll probably only need one or two.

I figured.

JetBuddy · Sat May 01, 2021 1:45 am

New Airworthiness Directive Grounds Some 737 MAX Airplanes While Boeing Develops Electrical Bonding Fix

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2021/04/3 ... nding-fix/

jeffrey0032j · Sat May 01, 2021 7:18 am

JetBuddy wrote:
New Airworthiness Directive Grounds Some 737 MAX Airplanes While Boeing Develops Electrical Bonding Fix

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2021/04/3 ... nding-fix/

This is just the formalisation of the grounding that have taken place since early April for the affected frames. It also means that the planes will be ungrounded shortly.

Noshow · Sat May 01, 2021 7:25 am

This AD means it is now on official government authority level before it was on internal manufacturers level only.

B787oftheworld · Sat May 01, 2021 9:13 am

Is it possible to track how many flight cycles are completed by MAXes since they are cleared to fly ?

KFTG · Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:41 pm

It is now June of 2021 and I noticed that the 737Max is *still* not flying in China. Why is this?
I think it is purely political. The Chinese gov't by keeping the Max grounded there is arbitrarily casting doubt on the aircraft's reputation.
Which is, of course, in the CCP's interest.
The plane has been flying for months now with no issues. What gives?

mjoelnir · Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:56 pm

Why do you ask when you know the answer?

The Chinese authorities are always late to accept the EASA and FAA certification and only do it after a long burocratic process of verification.

After the unmitigated disaster of the FAA certification of the 737MAX and the denial of any problems following the two accidents, I find it not astonishing that some authorities are still gun-shy.

As it is the delay does not seem excessive compared to the usual timeline the Chinese seem to work by.

737max8 · Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:16 pm

Is WN still the worlds largest MAX operator with 68 frames?

RoyalBrunei757 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:21 pm

CAAM Lifts Suspension on Boeing 737 Max Operations in Malaysia. PRESS RELEASE - 2 SEPT 2021

https://twitter.com/CAA_Malaysia/status ... gr%5Etweet

PUTRAJAYA (Bernama): The Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia (CAAM) has lifted the suspension on Boeing 737 MAX operations in Malaysia, says its chief executive officer Chester Voo.

He said CAAM had approved the operations of Boeing 737-8 and Boeing 737-9, commercially known as Boeing 737 MAX in Malaysia, following its suspension in March 2019 with the release of CAAM Safety Directive 01/2021 – Operations of Boeing 737-8/-9 (MAX) dated Sept 2, 2021.

"The Safety Directive 01/2021 revokes the previous Safety Directive issued on March 13, 2019 that prohibits the operations of B737 MAX 8 in Malaysia," he said in a statement Thursday (Sept 2).

Revelation · Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:01 pm

ET expects RTS by January:

https://twitter.com/dominicgates/status ... 4038645761

JetBuddy · Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:13 pm

Revelation wrote:
ET expects RTS by January:

https://twitter.com/dominicgates/status ... 4038645761

Interesting article. Especially the part of the deal that relates to setting up a manufacturing facility for aircraft parts. As well as training in Addis Ababa:

"Parallel to the settlement over the MAX, Ethiopian Airlines this week made public a related agreement: Boeing will partner with Ethiopian to make the airline’s base in Addis Ababa “Africa’s aviation hub” and to set up a manufacturing facility there to make airplane parts."

"In addition, the partnership will promote the training of pilots and aircraft technicians at the airline’s Aviation Academy in Addis Ababa, and STEM education in Ethiopian schools."

It seems like a well rounded deal that is beneficial for both Ethiopia and Ethiopia Airlines.

AngMoh · Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:18 am

Singapore has lifted its ban on the MAX. Commercial services can re-start when SIA can show that it has met the new crew training requirements. Foreign airlines flying in and out of Singapore with the MAX must meet the same requirements.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -after-ban

CAAS directive: https://www.caas.gov.sg/docs/default-so ... ements.pdf

From what I was told, point 3(e) in the directive was the cause of the delay. During a visit to the SIA training centre last December I was told the simulator needed to be updated to meet crew training requirements and it was driving the overall timeline and it was hoped to be completed by April/May.

This follows the recent announcement by the Malaysian CAAM on their return to service.

ikolkyo · Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:33 am

So I currently see a MAX 8 of China Southern, B-1200 on FR24 operating CA1299. This must be some sort of hex code error or something. There has been nothing reported about RTS for the MAX in China and this would be an odd route to begin operations on. Plus, a bigger issue is that this aircraft is operating an Air China flight. Really funny.

edit: Link https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA1299/2939c49d

Momo1435 · Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:50 am

ikolkyo wrote:
So I currently see a MAX 8 of China Southern, B-1200 on FR24 operating CA1299. This must be some sort of hex code error or something. There has been nothing reported about RTS for the MAX in China and this would be an odd route to begin operations on. Plus, a bigger issue is that this aircraft is operating an Air China flight. Really funny.

edit: Link https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA1299/2939c49d

If you look a bit further you see that this is the 2nd leg of CA1299, the first part of the flight from Beijing to Hami City was flown by a 737-800. For earlier flights it was always the same aircraft for both legs. So yes, this must have been a hex code error.

Avgeek21 · Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:57 am

Looks like Maldives CAA has approved the MAX. flydubai has just scheduled the 737 MAX from DXB to Maldives from Oct 7th.

I couldn’t find a link or announcement yet.

planecane · Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 pm

Out of a statistical curiosity I'm wondering how many MAX revenue flights have been completed (approximately) since RTS. I'd like to know if the number of flights before the MCAS issue originally showed up have been exceeded by flights since RTS.

orlandocfi · Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:16 pm

planecane wrote:
Out of a statistical curiosity I'm wondering how many MAX revenue flights have been completed (approximately) since RTS. I'd like to know if the number of flights before the MCAS issue originally showed up have been exceeded by flights since RTS.

I would be interested to know those numbers as well. Southwest alone flew over 40,000 flights with a fleet of 34 prior to the grounding. The max fleet is currently over 60 frames I believe so I would think they are approaching that “equal time point” with no apparent issues.

MEA-707 · Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 pm

planecane wrote:
Out of a statistical curiosity I'm wondering how many MAX revenue flights have been completed (approximately) since RTS. I'd like to know if the number of flights before the MCAS issue originally showed up have been exceeded by flights since RTS.

Interesting question. I know insiders know the true answer. I think they have not yet surpassed the flights before the grounding but that should happen in a month or two. Quick and dirty calculation: by the time of the grounding there were about 350 MAX-es delivered but most in the preceding 12 months, they flew let's say 9 months in average by that time, say 6 flights a day makes 567.000 flights. Now 580 are delivered but about 180 have not yet resumed flying (China, India, Indonesia, Norwegian). The other 400 have been flying but in average only for 5 months, say 360.000 flights. Also due to Covid it can be less. You see airlines like WestJet and Air Canada not doing many flights with their (active) fleet yet.

jeffrey1970 · Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:22 am

I have flown the 8Max many times. As a passenger it is not as bad as I thought it would be.

avier · Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:52 am

SpiceJet to resume Boeing 737 MAX flights from October 5. After 2.5 years, the 737 MAX will officially take to the skies in India for commercial ops.

DGCA had lifted the ban on 737 MAX in August end, however Spicejet needed time for the return to service technicalities.

Their pilots are being retrained at a full flight simulator set by Boeing for the 737 MAX in Noida and at a MAX Fixed Base Simulator at the SpiceJet Training Academy.

Spice has 13 737 MAX in its fleet in India, with another 15 737 MAX's in the US and elsewhere in storage and waiting to be delivered.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 544961.cms

ben7x · Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:38 pm

Who is paying the costs for the simulator training? Boeing or the airline?

Revelation · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:47 am

ben7x wrote:
Who is paying the costs for the simulator training? Boeing or the airline?

I have not heard that exact question answered, but many press reports say Boeing provided compensation mostly in the form of credits that could be applied to its goods and services, and my guess is those credits could be applied to time on sims run by Boeing.

REDHL · Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:34 pm

China's CAAC has expressed its satisfaction with the changes that have been made to the MAX and has invited the local airlines to give their comments to an airworthiness directive proposal, which closes on November 26th.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-14/

Revelation · Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:59 pm

REDHL wrote:
China's CAAC has expressed its satisfaction with the changes that have been made to the MAX and has invited the local airlines to give their comments to an airworthiness directive proposal, which closes on November 26th.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-14/

Fingers crossed that this allows for MAX RTS in China in the not too distant future!

REDHL · Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:04 pm

South Korea's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport will rescind its 737 MAX ban, effective November 22nd.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -next-week
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211119000509

Opus99 · Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:50 am

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1466 ... 82851?s=21

China has issued AD on max. Congrats Boeing. One step at a time. But hopefully you’re getting there

RoyalBrunei757 · Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:55 am

Guess those 200+ max left undelivered will soon be delivered to Mainland China.......the last frontier......

planecane · Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:15 pm

How many MAXs are currently in revenue service?

Revelation · Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:46 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1466355272671182851?s=21

China has issued AD on max. Congrats Boeing. One step at a time. But hopefully you’re getting there

Direct link: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-12-02/

Keep in mind, the AD is issued yet the airspace is still closed.

China is doing the ultimate "slow roll" on MAX, IMO.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Guess those 200+ max left undelivered will soon be delivered to Mainland China.......the last frontier......

As for some numbers:

Around a third of about 370 undelivered 737 MAX airplanes in storage are for Chinese customers, Boeing said at the time.

So, closer to 100 than 200 for China, more for the ROW.

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