ikolkyo wrote:

In addition to the Blue Air, WN has taken delivery of another aircraft
N8816Q
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/wn8702

RobK wrote:

I hear there's been some dispute from the UA fanboys over the appearance of the first UA 737-8. It's perhaps worth mentioning that it isn't a UA order. The first 3 are ICBC Leasing orders and ones after that are CDB Aviation to N27261 at least.

RobK wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

In addition to the Blue Air, WN has taken delivery of another aircraft
N8816Q
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/wn8702

That was the final 737-8 from Southwest's backlog. 737-7s next?

N8751R should make an appearance on 1 July but I think that's it for the year for 737-8s.

RobK wrote:

"Are all the previous NTU 737 max now spoken for?"

Nope. Most have gone under Boeing ownership except the BOCs where most are going to Flair.

DL747 wrote:

A few things of note RE cancellations. A LOT frame and a T’Way frame have appeared painted over in VCV, unknown if it is the same frame or if these are two different frames. From what I’ve heard, Comair has only cancelled two. I suspect a lot of the cancellations we are seeing are carriers transferring owned to leased, or shopping which lessor gives them the best deal, but that is just my personal speculation.

MileHFL400 wrote:

Couple of questions.

Are all the previous NTU 737 max now spoken for?

I thought the 10 was supposed to be in the air by now, is there an issue? Where are the other test articles?

I keep seeing the mauritania max pinging at ADD, what’s going on with that plane?

Ok so there were 3 questions. Sorry, not sorry!

RobK wrote:

Thanks Iowgun and welcome. The first link doesn't work unfortunately. I wonder about the wording as 42556 can't be used for the "replacement" frame as it's obviously already in use on 5728 and would remain the same regardless of WN taking it or not. The official confirmation that 5728 is cancelled for WN is certainly appreciated nonetheless.

lowgun wrote:

This is my first attempt at adding an entry to this website so I have my fingers crossed.

Re SOUTHWEST AIRLINES

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... x1016aalso list MSN and delivery dates.htm

Supplemental Agreement No. 11 states:
“WHEREAS, Customer and Boeing have agreed to terminate one (1) aircraft bearing MSN: 42556 that was to be delivered in July 2018, and replace such aircraft with one (1) aircraft delivering in August 2021 with the [***] the aircraft bearing MSN: 42556”

Make of that what you will. Further down the Agreement is a list of MSN along with the proposed delivery dates.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 3729re.htm

Supplemental Agreement No. 12 also includes MSN & delivery dates. These may add to or, in some cases, replace some of the dates in Agreement No. 11.
According to SA12, delivery of the MAX 7s is due to start in January 2022 (with those already built) extending through April 2025. Delivery of the Max 8s is due to start in January 2026 extending through October 2031.

I hope the information in the two Agreements is helpful.

texl1649 wrote:

lowgun wrote:

This is my first attempt at adding an entry to this website so I have my fingers crossed.

Re SOUTHWEST AIRLINES

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... x1016aalso list MSN and delivery dates.htm

Supplemental Agreement No. 11 states:
“WHEREAS, Customer and Boeing have agreed to terminate one (1) aircraft bearing MSN: 42556 that was to be delivered in July 2018, and replace such aircraft with one (1) aircraft delivering in August 2021 with the [***] the aircraft bearing MSN: 42556”

Make of that what you will. Further down the Agreement is a list of MSN along with the proposed delivery dates.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 3729re.htm

Supplemental Agreement No. 12 also includes MSN & delivery dates. These may add to or, in some cases, replace some of the dates in Agreement No. 11.
According to SA12, delivery of the MAX 7s is due to start in January 2022 (with those already built) extending through April 2025. Delivery of the Max 8s is due to start in January 2026 extending through October 2031.

I hope the information in the two Agreements is helpful.

Thx. Did SWA just order 34 more to be announced today?

https://twitter.com/deitaone/status/140 ... 38307?s=21

ikolkyo wrote:

Interesting, what is wrong with N8703J? Quite interesting that WN has taken the first and 2nd and 4th test aircraft and not this particular frame.

lowgun wrote:

The following is a link to the Form 8-K lodged with the SEC which advised of the changes to the existing orders & options.

https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/ed ... 210608.htm

A new thread has been opened to discuss this (see Southwest tops up 737 MAX order}

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1461567

APRobert wrote:

Two new deliveries today 6-10-21 according to FlightRadar24. According to FlightRadar24 GOL Airlines 737-8 PR-XMO left Boeing Field at 1:53 PM PDT today for Cancun (CUN) operating as GOL flight 39657, and Flair Airlines 737-8 CL-FHI left Boeing Field at 3:14 PM today for Calgary (YYC) operating as Flair flight 83.

orlandocfi wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

Interesting, what is wrong with N8703J? Quite interesting that WN has taken the first and 2nd and 4th test aircraft and not this particular frame.

I believe it was stated earlier in this thread (or maybe in the WN thread) that N8703J was damaged at some point and WN would not be taking it.

RobK wrote:

The list would be huge. No info on the NAXs but most of the JAIs are (were?) going to GOL, but many of those are GECAS frames and they are not in good shape themselves so all bets could be off now. There have been huge lessor cancellations. Many frames are in limbo until financing can be arranged through other parties. I know that Aviation Capital Group, Avolon, GECAS, ALAFCO and, ICBC are badly affected which accounts for around half of the backlog, especially the first two. Plus you've got Comair, Eastar Jet, Royal Air Maroc, Oman Air (own), Samoa all allegedly cancelling and unknowns with the Lion Group frames.

APRobert wrote:

RobK wrote:

The list would be huge. No info on the NAXs but most of the JAIs are (were?) going to GOL, but many of those are GECAS frames and they are not in good shape themselves so all bets could be off now. There have been huge lessor cancellations. Many frames are in limbo until financing can be arranged through other parties. I know that Aviation Capital Group, Avolon, GECAS, ALAFCO and, ICBC are badly affected which accounts for around half of the backlog, especially the first two. Plus you've got Comair, Eastar Jet, Royal Air Maroc, Oman Air (own), Samoa all allegedly cancelling and unknowns with the Lion Group frames.

According to the following excerpt from the 6-11-21 Wall Street Journal article as the link after the excerpt, the number of stored 737's without buyers was approximately 100 in July 2020, but is now down to approximately 10.

"The Covid-19 vaccine-fueled travel rebound in the U.S. and some other parts of the world has left the Chicago-based plane maker with around 10 stored MAX aircraft needing buyers, people familiar with the matter said. Last July, it counted around 100."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-off ... _headlines

REDHL wrote:

I just found an article on CH-Aviation regarding Ryanair's MAX 200 delivery delays, which explains in a more direct manner what is specifically happening.

It appears that although the MAX 200 was officially certified, Boeing has not been able to deliver any of them yet due to bureaucratic issues with the FAA regarding the approval of the extra door (emergency exit) sets.

Link: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... uction-ceo

Revelation wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

APRobert wrote:

According to the following excerpt from the 6-11-21 Wall Street Journal article as the link after the excerpt, the number of stored 737's without buyers was approximately 100 in July 2020, but is now down to approximately 10.

"The Covid-19 vaccine-fueled travel rebound in the U.S. and some other parts of the world has left the Chicago-based plane maker with around 10 stored MAX aircraft needing buyers, people familiar with the matter said. Last July, it counted around 100."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-off ... _headlines

Oh wow. Nice to see that

Overall there is a lot of positive momentum for Team B, but to me the main downer is that China still has not approved the MCAS fix and shows no sign of doing so any time soon. If you look at the link I posted to the storage at KMWH earlier, you will see a LOT of aircraft with Chinese characters in the livery. It seems those won't be going anywhere any time soon. The recent interview with Calhoun on AvWeek didn't offer too much optimism on that front. Yet I think progress is inevitable. The Chinese operators aren't going to want to sit on their aging NGs forever. I realize they have no choice but to do what they are told to do, but I think a workable solution will be found.

Revelation wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

APRobert wrote:

According to the following excerpt from the 6-11-21 Wall Street Journal article as the link after the excerpt, the number of stored 737's without buyers was approximately 100 in July 2020, but is now down to approximately 10.

"The Covid-19 vaccine-fueled travel rebound in the U.S. and some other parts of the world has left the Chicago-based plane maker with around 10 stored MAX aircraft needing buyers, people familiar with the matter said. Last July, it counted around 100."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-off ... _headlines

Oh wow. Nice to see that

Overall there is a lot of positive momentum for Team B, but to me the main downer is that China still has not approved the MCAS fix and shows no sign of doing so any time soon. If you look at the link I posted to the storage at KMWH earlier, you will see a LOT of aircraft with Chinese characters in the livery. It seems those won't be going anywhere any time soon. The recent interview with Calhoun on AvWeek didn't offer too much optimism on that front. Yet I think progress is inevitable. The Chinese operators aren't going to want to sit on their aging NGs forever. I realize they have no choice but to do what they are told to do, but I think a workable solution will be found.

Capricorn wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

Oh wow. Nice to see that

Overall there is a lot of positive momentum for Team B, but to me the main downer is that China still has not approved the MCAS fix and shows no sign of doing so any time soon. If you look at the link I posted to the storage at KMWH earlier, you will see a LOT of aircraft with Chinese characters in the livery. It seems those won't be going anywhere any time soon. The recent interview with Calhoun on AvWeek didn't offer too much optimism on that front. Yet I think progress is inevitable. The Chinese operators aren't going to want to sit on their aging NGs forever. I realize they have no choice but to do what they are told to do, but I think a workable solution will be found.

I am note that optimistic about China clearing the Max anytime soon, and they do have alternatives, albeit not as good as a RTS of the Max. They could either buy more from A and Embraer, or push their domestic models. Also if China does suspend the Max indefinitely many that will have effects on many regional operator who subsequently can't use their Max to fly to China, causing B problems beyond the Chinese market itself. I am suspecting that B will not build any Max planes for Chinese customers in the immediate future, but please correct me if I am wrong. If production of frames intended for Chinese customers resume, that would be a good sign.

ikolkyo wrote:

They couldn't have just moved the UNITED titles forward enough to not cover the overwing exits? I know I know, small dumb little detail to complain about but once I see it I can't stop looking at it. Same story on their 738s.