Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

RobK · Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:31 pm

Doesn't look like the Chinese frames are going anywhere.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-eco ... til-safety
Of course it's all about the "safety concerns" and definitely nothing to do with the current US:China politics. /s

WoodysAeroimag · Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:27 am

XA-BBB 737-9 Aeromexico - Taxi tests only today - B1 scrubbed

XA-BBB 737-9 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7934 737-8 Xiamen Airlines - Rolled out of FAL

7934 737-8 Xiamen Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7824 65439 N8809L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - @RNT after storage in VCV

7824 65439 N8809L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7672 43306 YR-MXB 737-8 Blue Air - Winglets now installed

7672 43306 YR-MXB 737-8 Blue Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7439 44602 G-TUMH 737-8 Tui fly UK - Test Flight today.

7439 44602 G-TUMH 737-8 Tui fly UK by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

RobK · Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:10 am

Thanks Woody! Xiamen is a surprise.. Should become B-20DX.
XA-BBB is 7984 for you.
There's 2 Flair's at MWH now, no details on which frames yet.
Interesting that the P8 is largely devoid of any markings.

WoodysAeroimag · Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:20 am

RobK wrote:
Thanks Woody! Xiamen is a surprise.. Should become B-20DX.
XA-BBB is 7984 for you.
There's 2 Flair's at MWH now, no details on which frames yet.
Interesting that the P8 is largely devoid of any markings.

Yeah I was surprised to see it as well. Thanks on the LN for AMX

seahawks7757 · Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:55 am

RobK wrote:
Doesn't look like the Chinese frames are going anywhere.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-eco ... til-safety
Of course it's all about the "safety concerns" and definitely nothing to do with the current US:China politics. /s

Interesting since Woody just got a Xiamen rolling off final assembly.

brindabella · Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:17 am

seahawks7757 wrote:
RobK wrote:
Doesn't look like the Chinese frames are going anywhere.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-eco ... til-safety
Of course it's all about the "safety concerns" and definitely nothing to do with the current US:China politics. /s

Interesting since Woody just got a Xiamen rolling off final assembly.

OK. Now deliver it.

:biggrin:

cheers

WoodysAeroimag · Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:36 am

7934 64680 B-20DX 737-8 Xiamen Airlines - Engine runs today.

7934 64680 B-20DX 737-8 Xiamen Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7984 XA-BBB 737-9 Aeromexico - B1 flight - Returning to RNT

7984 XA-BBB 737-9 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7975 61872 N8750Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Delivery

7975 61872 N8750Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7793 44211 HP-9912CMP 737-9 Copa Airlines - Delivery

7793 44211 HP-9912CMP 737-9 Copa Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7724 43711 XA-IMH 737-9 Aeromexico - Test Flight

7724 43711 XA-IMH 737-9 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

WoodysAeroimag · Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:32 am

EI-HGL 737-8 200 Ryanair

EI-HGL 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8003 737-8 200 Malta Air

8003 737-8 200 Malta Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7931 737-8 Air China

7931 737-8 Air China by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

RobK · Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:27 am

Hi Woody, thanks for the updates

. I can't keep up with these RYR frames. EI-HGL *possibly* 7992 but that's assuming all the others are in order and those 2 missing yet-to-be-sighted Buzz frames are still holding place. What is the N4027C in the B stalls from your video? Is that EI-HGL with sticker removed?

Looks like the Maltese division getting its own livery.

I can fill the Air China reg for you : B-20DS. Maybe the CAAC has told Boeing that they are expecting to lift the ban imminently? Although not seen any signs of life from the stored Chinese frames, except the Lucky Air at VCV last week.

RobK · Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:36 am

Answered my own question - N4027C looks to be EI-HGG from your twitter.

Is that 169570 I see in the background? Still no sign of the missing 169564? Beginning to wonder if it got written off during transport from Wichita or during assembly? It should have made an appearance last September by my calculations.

RobK · Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:40 am

RobK wrote:
Looks like the Maltese division getting its own livery.

Like this, I guess.

https://www.maltachamber.org.mt/en/malt ... ummer-2020

Reminds me of Air Berlin. A bit uninspiring.

WoodysAeroimag · Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:10 pm

RobK wrote:
Answered my own question - N4027C looks to be EI-HGG from your twitter.

Is that 169570 I see in the background? Still no sign of the missing 169564? Beginning to wonder if it got written off during transport from Wichita or during assembly? It should have made an appearance last September by my calculations.

That is indeed 169570 on the flight line. No one I've spoken too has seen 169564. I was surprised to see the China frames rolling out. I have heard that China Air Authority have approved test flights to resume before they certify the MAX to resume service.

RobK · Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:37 am

Talking of China, Lucky Air B-207Q has sneaked over to MWH from VCV today. Activity slowly increasing around the Chinese frames.

seahawks7757 · Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:27 pm

Isn’t this the P8 everyone has been asking about? 565?

https://twitter.com/boeingwa/status/136 ... 51911?s=21

And never mind, see it’s 564 but apparently I can’t delete my own reply. Lol

WoodysAeroimag · Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:55 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
Isn’t this the P8 everyone has been asking about? 565?

https://twitter.com/boeingwa/status/136 ... 51911?s=21

And never mind, see it’s 564 but apparently I can’t delete my own reply. Lol

I was researching the missing P-8 169564 and I can't even locate a first flight using the N# assigned to it. N533DS / A6BBEE - it never showed up in my SBS logs as ever departing Renton.

WoodysAeroimag · Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:03 am

EI-HGM 737-8 200 Ryanair - rolled out of paint

EI-HGM 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7859 737-8 200 Vietjet Air

7859 737-8 200 Vietjet Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7491 62869 EI-RZA 737-8 Neos - Ferried back to BFI

7491 62869 EI-RZA 737-8 Neos by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

ghost77 · Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:42 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
RobK wrote:
Thanks Woody! Xiamen is a surprise.. Should become B-20DX.
XA-BBB is 7984 for you.
There's 2 Flair's at MWH now, no details on which frames yet.
Interesting that the P8 is largely devoid of any markings.

Yeah I was surprised to see it as well. Thanks on the LN for AMX

Really? I have that XA-BBB is 7895 whereas 7984 will be N115AM.

g77

ghost77 · Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:46 am

From my records...

B738M
43709 - 7539 - XA-MAU
43755 - 7648 - XA-MAW
73756 - 7663 - XA-MAY
43712 - 7769 - XA-OCC
43715 - 8009 - XA-CCC

B739M
43754 - 7678 - XA-MAZ
43711 - 7724 - XA-IMH
43713 - 7847 - XA-HSB
43714 - 7895 - XA-BBB
43371 - 7984 - N115AM

g77

RobK · Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:15 am

Your records are correct except for 7895 and 7984.

tacobell101 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:51 am

Just curios, any word on which frames Flair is taking and when?

WoodysAeroimag · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:03 am

Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

concordeforever · Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:50 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
Isn’t this the P8 everyone has been asking about? 565?

https://twitter.com/boeingwa/status/136 ... 51911?s=21

And never mind, see it’s 564 but apparently I can’t delete my own reply. Lol

I was researching the missing P-8 169564 and I can't even locate a first flight using the N# assigned to it. N533DS / A6BBEE - it never showed up in my SBS logs as ever departing Renton.

From a post on a spotting forum I am on, a visit to McConnell IAB last week saw the fuselage tube of 8219, the much talked about missing P-8, as still there with Spirit. It doesn't say why, or if it is damaged.

RobK · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:33 pm

Interesting. Link to the spotter log?

SQ22 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:00 pm

Please note there is a dedicated P-8 thread which can be found here:

Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Please continue your discussion there. Thanks.

seahawks7757 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:50 am

ghost77 wrote:
From my records...

B738M
43709 - 7539 - XA-MAU
43755 - 7648 - XA-MAW
73756 - 7663 - XA-MAY
43712 - 7769 - XA-OCC
43715 - 8009 - XA-CCC

B739M
43754 - 7678 - XA-MAZ
43711 - 7724 - XA-IMH
43713 - 7847 - XA-HSB
43714 - 7895 - XA-BBB
43371 - 7984 - N115AM

g77

7984 is XA-BBB. I have photos of it green behind the factory with its line number, also its still at Renton. N115AM is 7895 and been in storage at BFI for almost six months now.

Also here XA-BBB is listed as 7984 as well-
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ico/34w6l9

seahawks7757 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:01 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

RobK · Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:37 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?

Spetsnaz55 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:40 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

I watched Cayman do a go around at Paine field. Cool livery

seahawks7757 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:41 pm

RobK wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?

I saw that it went up along with another flydubai, unfortunately I am not out today as I had to go get my COVID test so I can fly to Hawaii on Monday. So it'll be just Woody with the updates next week. I may go do one last stroll around Renton tomorrow.

WoodysAeroimag · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:09 am

RobK wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?

I saw it on final to BFI - Flydubai A6-FMP flew as BOE901 verses BOE17 since Ryanair EI-HEZ flew using BOE17.

WoodysAeroimag · Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:44 am

7994 44612 G-TUMP 737-8 Tui fly UK - Rolled out of final tonight

7994 44612 G-TUMP 737-8 Tui fly UK by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7934 64680 B-20DX 737-8 Xiamen Airlines - Painted

7934 64680 B-20DX 737-8 Xiamen Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

Lots of pre-flight activity around the 737-8200's of Ryanair.

EI-HGM 737-8 200 Ryanair

EI-HGM 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr
EI-HGJ 737-8 200 Ryanair

EI-HGJ 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

RobK · Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:08 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
RobK wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:

Flew again today as BOE285.

Caymen went up this morning, BOE054 returned from Texas, another Southwest 737-8 (N8810L), BOE045 Southwest 737-8 did a test flight (N8804L), BOE602, XA-IMH flew and finally Boeing 960 returned from Moses Lake in some spectacular light. Will be posting photos soon. It is XA-OCC, Aeromexico 737-8 line 7769. She was originally scheduled to come back yesterday(Wednesday) but scrubbed.

Also Southwest took delivery of N8805L this morning. And that's the Thursday wrap, unfortunately all I got was 45 and 960. I did get 285 on its Wednesday flight.

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?
I saw it on final to BFI - Flydubai A6-FMP flew as BOE901 verses BOE17 since Ryanair EI-HEZ flew using BOE17.

That was yesterday's flight wasn't it? I was referring to the 901 on Thursday. I think 901 on Thursday was EI-HEZ that day as it flew with an Irish hex and the same hex was on BOE017 yesterday. Maybe because the flydubai was planned to fly as well which has the same block number, although didn't fly in the end. On Friday they seem to have swapped around with the flydubai using 901 and the RYR using it's proper block.

Were they both wearing their final registration numbers? I checked your twitter but not uploaded yet.

WoodysAeroimag · Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:46 pm

RobK wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
RobK wrote:

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?
I saw it on final to BFI - Flydubai A6-FMP flew as BOE901 verses BOE17 since Ryanair EI-HEZ flew using BOE17.

That was yesterday's flight wasn't it? I was referring to the 901 on Thursday. I think 901 on Thursday was EI-HEZ that day as it flew with an Irish hex and the same hex was on BOE017 yesterday. Maybe because the flydubai was planned to fly as well which has the same block number, although didn't fly in the end. On Friday they seem to have swapped around with the flydubai using 901 and the RYR using it's proper block.

Were they both wearing their final registration numbers? I checked your twitter but not uploaded yet.

I spotted them on Friday, but I didn't have my camera with me, I just happened to see flydubai on final as RYR taxied out from the freeway as I passed by BFI.

DL747 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:37 pm

RobK wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
RobK wrote:

Did anyone see BOE901 1249 to 1324 ?
I saw it on final to BFI - Flydubai A6-FMP flew as BOE901 verses BOE17 since Ryanair EI-HEZ flew using BOE17.

That was yesterday's flight wasn't it? I was referring to the 901 on Thursday. I think 901 on Thursday was EI-HEZ that day as it flew with an Irish hex and the same hex was on BOE017 yesterday. Maybe because the flydubai was planned to fly as well which has the same block number, although didn't fly in the end. On Friday they seem to have swapped around with the flydubai using 901 and the RYR using it's proper block.

Were they both wearing their final registration numbers? I checked your twitter but not uploaded yet.

From a friend who was there, Ryanair has a N reg. Not confirmed via photo but I believe flydubai has its permanent reg.

Polot · Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:43 pm

Is Boeing allowed to use the Irish reg for flights before the MAX 200 is certified by the FAA?

I’m aware the FAA unlike EASA doesn’t care if the planes fly under their final reg before delivery but those are certified planes.

LGeneReese · Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:44 am

Any info on the current production rate/month? Or is that variable depending on which customers raise there hand and say ‘ You can build mine now” ?

WoodysAeroimag · Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:51 am

LGeneReese wrote:
Any info on the current production rate/month? Or is that variable depending on which customers raise there hand and say ‘ You can build mine now” ?

I believe to current rate is at or around 5-7 planes a month based on what I've seen roll out.

RobK · Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:39 pm

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Looks like Boeing is working on getting the 737-8 200 frames certified. EI-HAT flew a functional flight today.

Yes, I don't think deliveries are too far out. Many of them have been wired up with their Irish hex now judging from the ADSB activity at RNT so they are getting ready to leave. Also the Vietjet moved to stalls is another indicator that the 8200s could be getting signed off imminently.

Things seem to be moving so sloooooooooooowly though

. Some days there aren't any flights at all. A complete contrast to pre-2019. Going to take them about 10 years to clear the storage frames at this pace.

BobLoblah · Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:19 pm

Now that MAX deliveries have resumed, we have seen BBJ ln #s 7489, 7753, and 7819 flown to GED (which often, but not always, signals delivery), but only 2 deliveries are officially listed by Boeing. Boeing used to give us the date of delivery, not just the month, and we could use the date of the flight to GED to help us figure out which planes were delivered. Now that we only have the month, has anyone figured out a way to determine which of these three is not officially delivered?

737 related, but not MAX related, does any one know the status of line #s 7152 and 7297, which I think are slated for the Polish government and the last -700 BBJ, ln 5749, whose order was apparently cancelled? Any chance this gets converted to a 700W for the UK wedgetail program?

RobK · Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:33 pm

BobLoblah wrote:
Now that MAX deliveries have resumed, we have seen BBJ ln #s 7489, 7753, and 7819 flown to GED (which often, but not always, signals delivery), but only 2 deliveries are officially listed by Boeing. Boeing used to give us the date of delivery, not just the month, and we could use the date of the flight to GED to help us figure out which planes were delivered. Now that we only have the month, has anyone figured out a way to determine which of these three is not officially delivered?

737 related, but not MAX related, does any one know the status of line #s 7152 and 7297, which I think are slated for the Polish government and the last -700 BBJ, ln 5749, whose order was apparently cancelled? Any chance this gets converted to a 700W for the UK wedgetail program?

7489 is for sale after the customer cancelled. Stored at SKF still in primer. Never been to GED.
7753 delivered. Original customer cancelled but the customer for a later BBJ frame was moved up to this frame. For a Chinese customer.
7819 delivered. Was cancelled by original customer but now going to (another) Middle East customer.

7152 has been doing pre-delivery equipment tests on the Swedish test ranges. Now back in BOD, delivery imminent.
7297 still undergoing mods.
5749 was "bought" by Boeing after the original customer cancelled. It has been the Boeing CEO private jet since May 2017. Last flew on 5 March BFI-IAD-Gary as RDN410. RDN (Red Barn) is the Boeing corporate callsign.

BobLoblah · Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:49 pm

Awesome thanks Rob!

You are right of course, line 7489 has not been to GED. I meant to write line 7915, the first -9 BBJ which flew to GED 12/18/20.

RobK · Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:17 pm

BobLoblah wrote:
Awesome thanks Rob!

You are right of course, line 7489 has not been to GED. I meant to write line 7915, the first -9 BBJ which flew to GED 12/18/20.

Could be either 7753 or 7915 then. If I had to bet money I'd say it was 7915 but this is nothing more than a slightly educated guess.

ghost77 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:42 am

RobK wrote:
Your records are correct except for 7895 and 7984.

Thanks for correction! Any estimate of when this frames could start getting delivered?

g77

seahawks7757 · Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:22 am

Here are a few photos from when Boeing 960 returned to Boeing Field on Thursday!

XA-OCC Aeromexico Boeing 737-8 MAX by Brandon Farris

dagKentWA · Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:34 pm

Is there a dedicated topic for testing, like there is on the 777X, where only issues related to testing/certification of the -7, -10, -8200 are discussed. I keep seeing bits & pieces on this topic and in others related to the grounding/RTS, but I haven't found anything dedicated to flight testing the new derivatives. Thanks.

wnflyguy · Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:59 pm

Anyone have the number of Whitetails still available?
Or have heard what's the plans for the Norwegian Air Etops MAX8s ?

Thanks Flyguy

Revelation · Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:25 pm

dagKentWA wrote:
Is there a dedicated topic for testing, like there is on the 777X, where only issues related to testing/certification of the -7, -10, -8200 are discussed. I keep seeing bits & pieces on this topic and in others related to the grounding/RTS, but I haven't found anything dedicated to flight testing the new derivatives. Thanks.

Not that I know of.

I don't think there is enough publicly available information to sustain such a thread.

WoodysAeroimag · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 am

The next Malta Air rolled out
8019 737-8 200 Malta Air

8019 737-8 200 Malta Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7923 737-8 Kunming Airlines

7923 737-8 Kunming Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

WoodysAeroimag · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:04 am

For you Rob -

DSC_9687-BELAVIA B737 by Brisnace, on Flickr

RobK · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:15 am

Thanks! I see from my sheet that is an Air Lease Corp frame, It's the ones from AerCap that appear cancelled.

Your Kunming is 61709 but that's all I have on it.

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