Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

jbs2886 · Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:58 pm

Revelation wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Captaincurious wrote:
FR may order some Max 10s if the price is right
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-07-26/

IMO, FR is ordering MAX 10s soon. It has made comments about doing so multiple times this year, its just publicly negotiating.

In this case there's really no negotiating, he's made his bed with Team B. He may be wanting to pressure them into offering better prices, but one does have to wonder at what point does Boeing feel it has the orders it needs for its post-MCAS and post-pandemic recovery and won't be that willing to offer the kinds of discounts seen on the last rounds of big orders (AS, WN, FR, UA).

Agree, I debated how to phrase it - its negotiating price really. The statements have all indicated "if the price is right" so BA must not be giving FR the discount it wants. If I had to guess, FR used its credits with the additional MAX 8 200 order earlier and wants basically the same or something to to compensate a bit for those credits for the MAX 10.

Complete aside, FR plans 600 aircraft by 2026 (adding about 140, so retiring 60-70 with the full MAX 8 200 deliveries, if I'm doing math correct, which is always questionable). Apparently, EasyJet will decrease down to about 300 and Wizz will increase to a bit above 200. FR is impressively aggressive.

planecane · Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:21 pm

How many MAXs are currently in service worldwide? Not delivered but actually flying regularly.

FlyingElvii · Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:49 pm

Some kind of Boeing announcement today at Airbventure. PR folks wondering around, media, a podium set up for 3 Boeing execs and a United exec, with a Max and an Air Wisconsin 700 on the center show ramp.

ghost77 · Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:27 pm

RobK wrote:
ghost77 wrote:
Some data under question here when comparing with Boeing's own data. If 43758 is supposedly XA-CCM, what has become of XA-JJJ ?

Triple Juliet is used by some other mexican plane. This is the reason why this one has changed.

g77

WoodysAeroimag · Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 am

7982 61873 N8751R 737-8 Southwest Airlines

7982 61873 N8751R 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8113 66593 N27258 737-8 United Airlines

8113 66593 N27258 737-8 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8114 43462 N77259 737-8 United Airlines

8114 43462 N77259 737-8 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

TF-ICD 737-9 IcelandAir

TF-ICD 737-9 IcelandAir by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:54 pm

Those UA MAX 8s are flying out of production, crazy! Nice to see some more Icelandair MAXs rolling out, sounds like they're really happy with them and may order some more.

In other news another Malta Air MAX 8 left BFI overnight, MAX 8 9H-VUB.
https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR82B/288f846a

I believe that makes 16 MAX deliveries this month

Opus99 · Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:31 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Those UA MAX 8s are flying out of production, crazy! Nice to see some more Icelandair MAXs rolling out, sounds like they're really happy with them and may order some more.

In other news another Malta Air MAX 8 left BFI overnight, MAX 8 9H-VUB.
https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR82B/288f846a

I believe that makes 16 MAX deliveries this month

I expect icleandair to order some 10s

lowgun · Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:19 am

Southwest Airlines has lodged with the SEC their report for the second quarter of 2021. Enclosed were copies of Supplemental Agreements 13, 14 & 15 showing the proposed delivery schedule for their 737 Max aircraft. Following, I hope, are links to the relevant agreements.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... alagre.htm
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... alagre.htm
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... alagre.htm

WoodysAeroimag · Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:55 am

7503 43393 N979AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines - Returning from DCA

7503 43393 N979AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7999 44653 OO-TMZ 737-8 TUI Airlines Belgium - Painted

7999 44653 OO-TMZ 737-8 TUI Airlines Belgium by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8072 737-8 Flydubai - Rolled out

8072 737-8 Flydubai by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8112 YR-MXC 737-8 Blue Air - Rolled out

8112 YR-MXC 737-8 Blue Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

ikolkyo · Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:33 pm

Malta Air MAX 8, 9H-VUD has been delivered.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/FR82D

jeffrey0032j · Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:58 pm

Jet Airways ntu N533RL is currently flying BFI-PTY (filed). Any idea who is it going to? It isn't in the usual Panama reg that Copa's fleet has.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/289de001

REDHL · Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:11 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Jet Airways ntu N533RL is currently flying BFI-PTY (filed). Any idea who is it going to? It isn't in the usual Panama reg that Copa's fleet has.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/289de001

The spotters here in Panama (myself included) also have that same question. We're also considering the possibility that this particular MAX 8 could go with GOL or Aerolineas Argentinas.

RobK · Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:47 pm

^ GOL would be my bet as they are/were down for taking other JAI cancellations.

737 Max current location/storage status of the ones that have already flown but not yet delivered/flown away :

BFI = 53
RNT = 4
PAE = 1
MWH = 219
SKF = 50
VCV = 26
==
353

Looking at my report last month I miscalculated and there were actually 358 not 333. So overall only a very small reduction in the storage numbers month on month.

SQ021 · Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:12 pm

REDHL wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Jet Airways ntu N533RL is currently flying BFI-PTY (filed). Any idea who is it going to? It isn't in the usual Panama reg that Copa's fleet has.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/289de001

The spotters here in Panama (myself included) also have that same question. We're also considering the possibility that this particular MAX 8 could go with GOL or Aerolineas Argentinas.

skyliner aviation website suggests GOL

Boeing 737 -8 43615 7135 PS-GPA Gol Linhas Aéreas delivery 31zl21 BFI-PTY, N-reg ex N533RL

Avgeek21 · Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:51 pm

flydubai B38M, A6-FMR flew away on July 30th to SNN.
https://fr24.com/2021-07-30/01:57/30x/FDB9741/2898a0df

jeffrey0032j · Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:02 pm

SQ021 wrote:
REDHL wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Jet Airways ntu N533RL is currently flying BFI-PTY (filed). Any idea who is it going to? It isn't in the usual Panama reg that Copa's fleet has.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/289de001

The spotters here in Panama (myself included) also have that same question. We're also considering the possibility that this particular MAX 8 could go with GOL or Aerolineas Argentinas.

skyliner aviation website suggests GOL

Boeing 737 -8 43615 7135 PS-GPA Gol Linhas Aéreas delivery 31zl21 BFI-PTY, N-reg ex N533RL

Currently on its way in the general direction of Brazil.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/28a02696

Oddly enough, GOL managed to get this earlier than some of its own order in the PR-XMx series.

REDHL · Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:25 pm

SQ021 wrote:
REDHL wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Jet Airways ntu N533RL is currently flying BFI-PTY (filed). Any idea who is it going to? It isn't in the usual Panama reg that Copa's fleet has.

https://www.flightradar24.com/N533RL/289de001

The spotters here in Panama (myself included) also have that same question. We're also considering the possibility that this particular MAX 8 could go with GOL or Aerolineas Argentinas.

skyliner aviation website suggests GOL

Boeing 737 -8 43615 7135 PS-GPA Gol Linhas Aéreas delivery 31zl21 BFI-PTY, N-reg ex N533RL

Thank you so much for the clarification.

DEN1895 · Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:52 pm

Sorry if this isn't the best thread for this question, but any updates on the Max 7 certification?

JetAirways · Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:32 pm

Former VT-JXF is still in Jet Airways livery

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSHQdE0rpWQ ... =copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSAzHfZsayy ... =copy_link

ikolkyo · Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:59 pm

UA has taken delivery of MAX 8 N37257. Interesting that this one jumped ahead of a few aircraft,

Captaincurious · Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:13 pm

DEN1895 wrote:
Sorry if this isn't the best thread for this question, but any updates on the Max 7 certification?

Seems no

jbs2886 · Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:34 am

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/gol-accel ... g-737-max/

GOL to acquire 28 more 737MAX -
15 operating losses
9 sale-leasebacks
4 finance leases

Is this 13 new orders for Boeing? Does it include the Jet Airways aircraft now in Panama?

jeffrey0032j · Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:48 am

jbs2886 wrote:
https://newsroom.aviator.aero/gol-accelerates-its-fleet-transformation-from-boeing-737-ng-to-boeing-737-max/

GOL to acquire 28 more 737MAX -
15 operating losses
9 sale-leasebacks
4 finance leases

Is this 13 new orders for Boeing? Does it include the Jet Airways aircraft now in Panama?

I would think that this includes N533RL, which did a test flight from CNF earlier today.

jeffrey0032j · Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:26 pm

737-7 N7201S is now flying BFI-JRF (Kalaeloa Airport, Hawaii), no idea on nature of test being conducted there.

BEG2IAH · Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:12 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
737-7 N7201S is now flying BFI-JRF (Kalaeloa Airport, Hawaii), no idea on nature of test being conducted there.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE701

Reuters: Boeing 737 MAX departs for key test flight in China
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-7 ... 37558.html

ikolkyo · Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Great news, time to get these Chinese 737 MAXs outta here.

Opus99 · Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:02 pm

Good news for Boeing!

dfwking · Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:06 pm

Any one have the available delivery slots for MAXs in 2022 & 2023?

SQ021 · Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:43 am

according to skyliner the following has been delivered

Boeing 737 -8 61582 7789 PR-XMN Gol Linhas Aéreas delivery 04-05aug21 BFI-CUN-CNF

currently showing over colombia at fl410

SQ021 · Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:49 am

seem there is another MAX8 due into Dublin at 18.11 local time from Seattle today , scheduled to depart shortly

SQ021 · Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:18 pm

SQ021 wrote:
seem there is another MAX8 due into Dublin at 18.11 local time from Seattle today , scheduled to depart shortly

Malta Air 9H-VUA 65874 / 8003 due Dublin at 1819 local time

BEG2IAH · Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:07 pm

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE701

Next leg, JRF-GUM, 7:35 flight time. Taking off in a few minutes...

OAHU747 · Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:25 pm

Why did the MAX7 go to JRF instead of HNL?

Airplanenutz · Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:04 am

This may have been discussed already .....

see the Max 8 and 9's discussed a lot but not the Max 7, any idea when its going to be making its debut

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:43 am

UA MAX 8, N17254 has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n17254

Airplanenutz wrote:
This may have been discussed already .....

see the Max 8 and 9's discussed a lot but not the Max 7, any idea when its going to be making its debut

No recent news about deliveries, the prototype aircraft is headed to China currently to get recertification efforts going.

RobK · Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:49 am

I don't know if VirginFlyer is still around from the now closed NG thread, but I notice that the 2 mystery outstanding 737-800 orders were cancelled in June, to bring that to a close.

==
[last post from V/F in the old thread]
For the unidentified customers the working understanding from this thread is:
3x 737-700W - UK AEW&C Programme
2x 737-800 - Unidentifiable, likely not to be delivered
2x BBJ2 - Government of Poland - L/Ns 7152, 7297
==

I also note that 2x 700Ws were cancelled at some point too, leaving just one frame there, for the RAF and is in the firing order for later this year/next (BBJ fuselage to be an E-7A).

The 2 Polish frames are still been modified at Bordeaux and not yet delivered to the PLF. One did some systems testing on the remote Swedish test ranges a few months back but is back at Bordeaux for further work.

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:29 pm

Another UA MAX 8, N27256 is scheduled to fly to KSEA today. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27256

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:56 pm

I see the MAX 10 prototype is off the coast of Washington during some tests as BOE101 can’t help but notice the aircraft flying as low as 1300ft above the water. What kind of test would they be doing in this situation?

BEG2IAH · Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:07 pm

The final leg today, GUM-PVG. It looks like there is some bad weather on the route. Godspeed during tests...
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE701

jbs2886 · Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:11 pm

BEG2IAH wrote:
The final leg today, GUM-PVG. It looks like there is some bad weather on the route. Godspeed during tests...
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE701

Good for testing?

Also why is the MAX 7 used to begin recertification testing instead of MAX 8 airframes (which the Chinese carriers have parked)?

BEG2IAH · Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:37 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
BEG2IAH wrote:
The final leg today, GUM-PVG. It looks like there is some bad weather on the route. Godspeed during tests...
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE701

Good for testing?

Also why is the MAX 7 used to begin recertification testing instead of MAX 8 airframes (which the Chinese carriers have parked)?

My understanding is that MAX7 is equipped with all the testing equipment and the effects of MCAS (and the effects of the engines' position on CoG) are more pronounced on a 7 vs. 8 or 9 due to its shorter fuselage.

WoodysAeroimag · Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:16 am

737-8 Shanghai Airlines - Another painted Shanghai MAX rolls out with no registration

737-8 Shanghai Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7705 66123 N27752 737-10 United Airlines - Test Frame #2 is now out.

7705 66123 N27752 737-10 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7990 737-8 Air Canada - Rolled out

7990 737-8 Air Canada by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8014 737-8 China Eastern Airlines - Rolled out

8014 737-8 China Eastern Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8115 YR-MXD 737-8 Blue Air - Rolled out

8115 YR-MXD 737-8 Blue Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8116 43458 N27260 737-8 United Airlines - Painted

8116 43458 N27260 737-8 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8117 737-8 Flydubai - Rolled out

8117 737-8 Flydubai by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

ET-AWH 737-8 Ethiopian Airlines - Painted

ET-AWH 737-8 Ethiopian Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

SIVB · Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:43 pm

SQ021 wrote:
SQ021 wrote:
seem there is another MAX8 due into Dublin at 18.11 local time from Seattle today , scheduled to depart shortly

Malta Air 9H-VUA 65874 / 8003 due Dublin at 1819 local time

This will be the last MAX delivered to Ryanair Group until they are resumed around September-October.
Some of the already built frames (around 38 I believe) will have to wait until the company take them again, including the first units for Buzz.
It will be interesting to see if future deliveries for Malta Air are painted in Ryanair’s livery. We’ll have to wait and see.

MEA-707 · Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:30 pm

it seems they did a reset at LN 8101 and build these in firing order, 8102, 8103 etc for airlines which can take them soon. But that leaves a whole bulk of aircraft, around 360 completed/undelivered ones in the region 7424-7900 and around 130 in the region 7905-8100 not even completed yet. These almost 500 aircraft might take years to complete and deliver based on how slow the deliveries are now from this block. Is that true, any comment welcome.

ikolkyo · Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:03 am

Test flights for MAX approval in China have begun.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE701/28bd1961

REDHL · Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:33 pm

Apparently, India's DGCA will fully lift its 737 MAX flight ban within a few days.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ajor-boost

Sooner787 · Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:40 pm

REDHL wrote:
Apparently, India's DGCA will fully lift its 737 MAX flight ban within a few days.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ajor-boost

Great news. Other than China, what other country has yet to lift their Max bans?

Captaincurious · Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:02 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
REDHL wrote:
Apparently, India's DGCA will fully lift its 737 MAX flight ban within a few days.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ajor-boost

Great news. Other than China, what other country has yet to lift their Max bans?

Russia

ikolkyo · Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:55 pm

N7201S is returning from China after spending a week with Chinese authorities.

WoodysAeroimag · Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:06 am

Another unknown Air China rolls out.

737-8 Air China by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

9Y-ANT 737-8 Caribbean Airlines rolled out.

9Y-ANT 737-8 Caribbean Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

7990 61243 C-GMEX 737-8 Air Canada

7990 61243 C-GMEX 737-8 Air Canada by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8087 62453 ET-AWH 737-8 Ethiopian Airlines

8087 62453 ET-AWH 737-8 Ethiopian Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8118 43464 N27261 737-8 United Airlines

8118 43464 N27261 737-8 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

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