Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Revelation · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:59 am

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
Is there a thread here on A.NET that is specific to the MAX10 development? I can't find it.

Not that I know of, presumably because Boeing is saying pretty much nothing about it. We know it had first flight (and there was a thread about that) and I thought I saw a post or two about some test flying here in this thread, but beyond that, nada.

lowgun · Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:55 am

In reply to Flyguy (post #798), I can't answer your question about the certification but may be able to help with the proposed WN delivery schedule.

In a previous post (#708) I gave links to some documents lodged by Southwest Airlines with the SEC. They are copies of the agreements with Boeing for the deliveries of MAX 7 & 8 aircraft & contain a list of delivery dates together with the serial number of the aircraft to be delivered that month.

Proposed delivery dates extend from January 2022 (s/n 42586 - 42589) up to October 2031 & there are over 300 aircraft listed by their serial numbers. Most are in Supplemental Agreement No. 14 with some alterations & an additional 14 more serial numbers (s/n 67205-67218) in Supplemental Agreement No. 15.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... alagre.htm
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... alagre.htm

You need to scroll down to the bottom of each agreement to find the tables listing the details. Unfortunately, a lot of information is still missing as the documents have been heavily redacted.

Of course all this can change in the future but in the meantime, if the Good Lord is willing & the FAA comes to the party, this is how deliveries will go.

RobK · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:05 am

Interesting read ^ .

There was a huge group of 8s in the LN 8200s (roughly expected mid 2022 at current production rates) but having run the msns against that list they have all been deferred again, this time to 2026 onwards ! That will free up a lot of slots in the firing order.

Also, on the 737-7 page there are tons due starting Jan 2022 which was news to me. If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

ikolkyo · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:18 pm

Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HAT has been delivered https://fr24.com/RYR82T/2925131d

RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

Revelation · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:12 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

No wonder Boeing feels it doesn't have to grab its ankles for FR's low-ball MAX10 offer.

Polot · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:55 pm

WN reported their 737 delivery schedule when they recently ordered 34 more. See: https://otp.tools.investis.com/clients/ ... F&hasPdf=1

In summary, WN is currently expecting 64 max7s next year, then 30 max7s a year through 2025. After that they will continue to receive 30 Maxes a year through 2028, split equally between the -7 and -8. After that -8 deliveries start ramping up and -7 deliveries ramping down. They have a ton of options over the next couple of years if they want to ramp up even faster.

Dtwramp · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:58 pm

it's 70 for swa but may go to all 114 per 10q

ben7x · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:40 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HAT has been delivered https://fr24.com/RYR82T/2925131d

RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

IIRC this is the first of the ‚older‘ Ryanair frames to be delivered (it still has the fully blue winglet instead of the blue/yellow one). Planespotters.net says it’s nearly 3 years old while all other frames already delivered are much younger.
Is their a reason why these older frames started delivery so much later?

ikolkyo · Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:52 pm

ben7x wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HAT has been delivered https://fr24.com/RYR82T/2925131d

RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

IIRC this is the first of the ‚older‘ Ryanair frames to be delivered (it still has the fully blue winglet instead of the blue/yellow one). Planespotters.net says it’s nearly 3 years old while all other frames already delivered are much younger.
Is their a reason why these older frames started delivery so much later?

Because they haven't flown in years and would still have to get the updates to be legal to fly and be brought back to an airworthy state.

jeffrey0032j · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 am

ben7x wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HAT has been delivered https://fr24.com/RYR82T/2925131d

RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

IIRC this is the first of the ‚older‘ Ryanair frames to be delivered (it still has the fully blue winglet instead of the blue/yellow one). Planespotters.net says it’s nearly 3 years old while all other frames already delivered are much younger.
Is their a reason why these older frames started delivery so much later?

A similar situation exist for other airlines like Air Canada, Flydubai and GOL. New builds are being delivered first because they do not require much modification.

WoodysAeroimag · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:18 am

ben7x wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HAT has been delivered https://fr24.com/RYR82T/2925131d

RobK wrote:
If my counting is correct, 66 of them coming just in 2022 !

66? My goodness

IIRC this is the first of the ‚older‘ Ryanair frames to be delivered (it still has the fully blue winglet instead of the blue/yellow one). Planespotters.net says it’s nearly 3 years old while all other frames already delivered are much younger.
Is their a reason why these older frames started delivery so much later?

EI-HAT was the 1st RYR frame to roll out of final assembly. IIRC there was issues with the new exit doors on early builds and had to be reworked to get it to the same standards of the later frames.

ben7x · Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:42 am

Okay, I see. Thank you all.

Revelation · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:16 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
A similar situation exist for other airlines like Air Canada, Flydubai and GOL. New builds are being delivered first because they do not require much modification.

Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

travaz · Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:19 pm

According to the Southwest Fleet thread WN is in discussion with Boeing to take the rest of the white tails. They will take up to 10 a Month. While I don't find any outside reference to this the thread usually has good info.
viewtopic.php?p=22955749#p22955749 #2688

jbs2886 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:43 pm

Revelation wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
A similar situation exist for other airlines like Air Canada, Flydubai and GOL. New builds are being delivered first because they do not require much modification.

Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

I count only 2 airlines that is bankrupt (Jet and the Air Italy whitetail) and none on the edge - which others are bankrupt or on the edge?

Cardude2 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm

is the max 7 even certified for airline operation?

Spetsnaz55 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:44 am

The 2nd -10 had first flight today

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:39 am

Fly Dubai MAX 8, A6-FMT has been delivered https://fr24.com/FDB9741/292a7f46

As said above, the 2nd 737-10 (N27752) had its first flight today and went all the up to 41,000ft! 2 airworthy -10s are now paving way for certification for this variant.

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 am

Turkish MAX 8, TC-LCT was also delivered yesterday (9/15) https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6832/292acd72

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:44 pm

Ryanair MAX 8, EI-HGG has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR82G/292b1aae

Cardude2 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:57 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
A similar situation exist for other airlines like Air Canada, Flydubai and GOL. New builds are being delivered first because they do not require much modification.

Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

I count only 2 airlines that is bankrupt (Jet and the Air Italy whitetail) and none on the edge - which others are bankrupt or on the edge?

Aeromexico is having some issues. Garuda Indonesia canceled their orders due to fears about the safety of the plane but there also financially dying too. Some of those Air Canada birds have become whitetail birds after canceling 15 plane orders. Virgin Australia is having some issues. Norweigan air shuttle is close to death and I don't think they can afford any more planes. And I don't think lion air is taking any more orders.

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:02 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

I count only 2 airlines that is bankrupt (Jet and the Air Italy whitetail) and none on the edge - which others are bankrupt or on the edge?

Aeromexico is having some issues. Garuda Indonesia canceled their orders due to fears about the safety of the plane but there also financially dying too. Some of those Air Canada birds have become whitetail birds after canceling 15 plane orders. Virgin Australia is having some issues. Norweigan air shuttle is close to death and I don't think they can afford any more planes. And I don't think lion air is taking any more orders.

Lets remember that is is actually a pretty old photo, a lot of these aircraft in the picture have already been delivered. AM have taken delivery of quite a few aircraft since the MAX's return so I don't believe they are in as bad of a spot as you believe. I've seen plenty of movement on AC aircraft getting prepped for delivery and Virgin Australia is bringing back about 10 738s that they send back to lessor because of demand. In addition to that they only have MAX 10 aircraft on order so they aren't even a factor at the moment.

ben7x · Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:15 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

I count only 2 airlines that is bankrupt (Jet and the Air Italy whitetail) and none on the edge - which others are bankrupt or on the edge?

Aeromexico is having some issues. Garuda Indonesia canceled their orders due to fears about the safety of the plane but there also financially dying too. Some of those Air Canada birds have become whitetail birds after canceling 15 plane orders. Virgin Australia is having some issues. Norweigan air shuttle is close to death and I don't think they can afford any more planes. And I don't think lion air is taking any more orders.

Non of the airlines you mention, apart of AC, is pictured above. And that’s what the initial question was. Which airlines in this picture are almost bankrupt.

jbs2886 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:21 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Indeed, many airliners find themselves in that situation, there's planes parked everywhere at RNT, MWH, SKF, ...

Ref: https://www.seattletimes.com/tag/lion-air-crash/

Interesting that we have some airlines already bankrupt (Jet Airways) in that shot and some on the edge of bankruptcy too, so it'll be a real mess for Boeing to clean all that up. Yet it's good that the process is finally starting.

I count only 2 airlines that is bankrupt (Jet and the Air Italy whitetail) and none on the edge - which others are bankrupt or on the edge?

Aeromexico is having some issues. Garuda Indonesia canceled their orders due to fears about the safety of the plane but there also financially dying too. Some of those Air Canada birds have become whitetail birds after canceling 15 plane orders. Virgin Australia is having some issues. Norweigan air shuttle is close to death and I don't think they can afford any more planes. And I don't think lion air is taking any more orders.

I asked from that photo - none of those airlines are in the photo (except AC). It was not a discussion on the entire MAX order book.

Revelation · Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:52 pm

I was thinking of Jet, Copa (who was grounded for months) and Shenzhen (which won't go bankrupt since it's state owned but had to swallow a bunch of Hainan assets at a bad time), along with some of the other airlines not in the photo named by @Cardude2 above. Main point being it's not as simple as getting the planes physically ready for service, often there is a financial hurdle to RTS.

ikolkyo · Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:03 am

Turkish MAX 8, TC-LCS has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6832/2939627a

Another Ryanair Group MAX 8 is scheduled to fly away tonight, unsure of the aircraft.

Opus99 · Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:05 am

Great to see stability on the max program. Hope to see that soon on the 787 program

Opus99 · Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:06 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Turkish MAX 8, TC-LCS has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6832/2939627a

Another Ryanair Group MAX 8 is scheduled to fly away tonight, unsure of the aircraft.

A MAX 9 was also delivered to Alaska. Headed to anchorage

jeffrey0032j · Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:03 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Another Ryanair Group MAX 8 is scheduled to fly away tonight, unsure of the aircraft.

9H-VUG, Malta Air in FR colours, previously assigned as EI-HAV, sexond oldest of Ryanair Maxes by LN. Now on its way to Dublin.

jeffrey0032j · Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:36 pm

Air Canada C-GMEX (fleet number 537) delivery flight is currently on its way BFI-ONT (California). This is a relatively new frame (LN7990) built after the grounding had been lifted, there are 12 older frames built during the grounding that remain undelivered, although C-GEKH (fn 526) and C-GEKX (fn 527) have made test flights over the past week.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA2350/293e5b09

avi8 · Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:41 pm

[twoid][/twoid]

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Air Canada C-GMEX (fleet number 537) delivery flight is currently on its way BFI-ONT (California). This is a relatively new frame (LN7990) built after the grounding had been lifted, there are 12 older frames built during the grounding that remain undelivered, although C-GEKH (fn 526) and C-GEKX (fn 527) have made test flights over the past week.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA2350/293e5b09

I thought AC wasn’t taking any new MAX planes this year.

ikolkyo · Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:46 pm

avi8 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Air Canada C-GMEX (fleet number 537) delivery flight is currently on its way BFI-ONT (California). This is a relatively new frame (LN7990) built after the grounding had been lifted, there are 12 older frames built during the grounding that remain undelivered, although C-GEKH (fn 526) and C-GEKX (fn 527) have made test flights over the past week.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA2350/293e5b09

I thought AC wasn’t taking any new MAX planes this year.

Looks like that isn't the case, there has been a lot of activity around AC MAX 8s.

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:00 am

Southwest MAX 8, N8751R has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 1#293f0dac

IIRC this aircraft is a replacement for N8703J which was rejected by WN.

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:11 am

FZ MAX 8, A6-FMS has been delivered. https://fr24.com/FDB9741/293f8363

flyorski · Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:44 am

Do you know why wn rejected 8703J?

jeffrey0032j · Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:13 pm

Malta Air (in FR livery) 9H-VUK is on its delivery flight. This was originally assigned EI-HGI.

https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR82K/294365c1

jeffrey0032j · Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:15 pm

flyorski wrote:
Do you know why wn rejected 8703J?

Supposedly due to some damage or modifications made that require a different inspection cycle from the rest of the WN Maxes.

Sooner787 · Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:44 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
flyorski wrote:
Do you know why wn rejected 8703J?

Supposedly due to some damage or modifications made that require a different inspection cycle from the rest of the WN Maxes.

Might that frame now become a good candidate for a BBJ sale?

WoodysAeroimag · Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:57 am

EW-551PA 737-8 Belavia - Belarusian Airlines

EW-551PA 737-8 Belavia - Belarusian Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8130 737-8 200 Ryanair

8130 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8132 737-8 200 Ryanair

8132 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8137 737-8 200 Ryanair

8137 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

A6-FMU 737-8 Flydubai

A6-FMU 737-8 Flydubai by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

N929AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines

N929AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico

XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

jeffrey0032j · Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:07 pm

Air Canada C-GMIQ (LN7998, fn 538) is on its delivery flight BFI-ONT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA2350/295080cf

dcmtl · Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:13 pm

This is the second AC 737Max to deliver to ONT (C-GMEX flew there on 9/22). Any idea why they are flying there instead of a Canadian airport?

Opus99 · Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:03 pm

I’ve noticed that the MAX beacon lights have now been replaced by the LED ones. Similar to the 787. But only new deliveries have them. Older MAX aircraft still have the old beacons as seen on the 777s, 747s and NG

Before:

https://youtu.be/CAnb00twbo0

https://youtu.be/cfdJ-Q2y61U

After:

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

https://youtu.be/Dk6htEy4T80

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

GSPSPOT · Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:15 pm

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
EW-551PA 737-8 Belavia - Belarusian Airlines
EW-551PA 737-8 Belavia - Belarusian Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8130 737-8 200 Ryanair
8130 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8132 737-8 200 Ryanair
8132 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8137 737-8 200 Ryanair
8137 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

A6-FMU 737-8 Flydubai
A6-FMU 737-8 Flydubai by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

N929AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines
N929AK 737-9 Alaska Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico
XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

Thanks for the beautiful images!

ikolkyo · Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 am

Lots of MAX deliveries to report,
AS MAX 9, N921AK has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 1#294eb28f

Aeromexico MAX 9, XA-NNN has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 7#2952249c

UA MAX 8, N17262 has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 2#2951cba0

TK MAX 9, TC-LYE has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6830/29520058

Western727 · Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:37 pm

Opus99 wrote:
I’ve noticed that the MAX beacon lights have now been replaced by the LED ones. Similar to the 787. But only new deliveries have them. Older MAX aircraft still have the old beacons as seen on the 777s, 747s and NG

Before:

https://youtu.be/CAnb00twbo0

https://youtu.be/cfdJ-Q2y61U

After:

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

https://youtu.be/Dk6htEy4T80

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

I've wondered the same. That the first MAX didn't get delivered with LEDs, well after the first 787 flight, and later deliveries did...confounds me. Why not LEDs to begin with, like the 777X? They were by no means new tech at the time.

And will the strobes on early builds get changed out for fleet commonality?

jeffrey0032j · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:32 pm

Buzz SP-RZB is on its delivery flight BFI-DUB.

https://www.flightradar24.com/RYS82B/295927f3

itripreport · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:44 pm

Western727 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
I’ve noticed that the MAX beacon lights have now been replaced by the LED ones. Similar to the 787. But only new deliveries have them. Older MAX aircraft still have the old beacons as seen on the 777s, 747s and NG

Before:

https://youtu.be/CAnb00twbo0

https://youtu.be/cfdJ-Q2y61U

After:

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

https://youtu.be/Dk6htEy4T80

https://youtu.be/l-OYzAPq2wo

I've wondered the same. That the first MAX didn't get delivered with LEDs, well after the first 787 flight, and later deliveries did...confounds me. Why not LEDs to begin with, like the 777X? They were by no means new tech at the time.

And will the strobes on early builds get changed out for fleet commonality?

Don't quote me on this, but my educated guess would be that they prolly had a contract already for a certain amount of those beacon lights (not sure if all that changes if coding of if its a new light altogether). in that case, they prolly waited for the contract to end before bringing in the new 787-style beacon?

ikolkyo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:14 am

Buzz MAX 8, SP-RZB has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... b#295927f3
GOL MAX 8, PR-XMT has been delivered. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 0#2958be81
Turkish MAX 8, TC-LCU has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 2#295934e9

WoodysAeroimag · Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am

XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico - on jack stands

XA-CCM 737-8 Aeromexico by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

C-GMIU 737-8 Air Canada

C-GMIU 737-8 Air Canada by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8141 737-8 Blue Air

8141 737-8 Blue Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8138 737-8 Blue Air

8138 737-8 Blue Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8069 737-8 China Eastern Airlines - With 1 missing winglet

8069 737-8 China Eastern Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

737-8 9Air

737-8 9Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

DaCubbyBearBar · Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:39 am

GREAT PICTURES!! Thank you for sharing. IF SWA is to start receiving MAX7 in January, when would the fuselages start arriving?

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