kanban wrote:

Rekoff wrote:

There is a letter from the FAA that laid down all the issues with certification, and there were many. Manufacturing tolerances was not one of them.

please provide the letter or state the actual issues.

The link to the letter was already posted in the relevant thread, where it is on topic. Post #500. It was broadly discussed.

So wild speculations connecting the delay to the 787 production issues without taking into account what is already known is both fact free and a bit out of place.

44 787s now in storage at VCV. 16 at SKF. All brand new frames, never entered service. How long can this continue before they have to stop production?

Rekoff wrote:

kanban wrote:

Rekoff wrote:

There is a letter from the FAA that laid down all the issues with certification, and there were many. Manufacturing tolerances was not one of them.

please provide the letter or state the actual issues.

The link to the letter was already posted in the relevant thread, where it is on topic. Post #500. It was broadly discussed.

So wild speculations connecting the delay to the 787 production issues without taking into account what is already known is both fact free and a bit out of place.

please post the post link (post number in upper right corner of the post, right click and select copy . . then paste here)

Does anyone have accurate numbers for Boeing 787 and A350 backlogs and what the current production rates are for each aircraft?

According to Wikipedia, Boeing has a backlog of 491 787s and Airbus a backlog of 473 A350s.
Assuming neither gets any large orders tilting the scale one way, what is the current production horizon?

Cheers,
AA1818

What about all the 787's which have been stored in the desert for several years and were never taken by the operator. Then what? Is that a case of they will be inspected when the time is right for them to go to an operator. For example, all of the Mexican 787s which have been going out of VCV the last few months have been parked there for a while, when will these jets undergo the checks which Boeing have identified as a problem?

OMAA

aa1818 wrote:

Does anyone have accurate numbers for Boeing 787 and A350 backlogs and what the current production rates are for each aircraft?

According to Wikipedia, Boeing has a backlog of 491 787s and Airbus a backlog of 473 A350s.
Assuming neither gets any large orders tilting the scale one way, what is the current production horizon?

Cheers,
AA1818

Airbus
A350-900/1000
Total Order= 913
Total Delivered= 440
Total in Backlog= 473*

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 94.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 8 months production

*Figure as of 31st August 2021, according to latest Airbus O & D sheet

Boeing
B787-8/9/10
Total Order= 1,436
Total Delivered= 1,008
Total in Backlog= 428**

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 85.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 1 month production

**Final figure of backlog before production temporary stoppage in July 2021. Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... %20backlog.
Boeing O&D wesbite seems to be down at the moment.

OMAAbound wrote:

What about all the 787's which have been stored in the desert for several years and were never taken by the operator. Then what? Is that a case of they will be inspected when the time is right for them to go to an operator. For example, all of the Mexican 787s which have been going out of VCV the last few months have been parked there for a while, when will these jets undergo the checks which Boeing have identified as a problem?

OMAA

If an airplane is undelivered and remains in Boeing’s control it will have any/all inspections completed before delivery. Delivered airplanes stored by their operator are held to a different standard. None of the quality issues holding deliveries have resulted in fleet action.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

aa1818 wrote:

Does anyone have accurate numbers for Boeing 787 and A350 backlogs and what the current production rates are for each aircraft?

According to Wikipedia, Boeing has a backlog of 491 787s and Airbus a backlog of 473 A350s.
Assuming neither gets any large orders tilting the scale one way, what is the current production horizon?

Cheers,
AA1818

Airbus
A350-900/1000
Total Order= 913
Total Delivered= 440
Total in Backlog= 473*

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 94.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 8 months production

*Figure as of 31st August 2021, according to latest Airbus O & D sheet

Boeing
B787-8/9/10
Total Order= 1,436
Total Delivered= 1,008
Total in Backlog= 428**

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 85.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 1 month production

**Final figure of backlog before production temporary stoppage in July 2021. Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... %20backlog.
Boeing O&D wesbite seems to be down at the moment.

I do expect both manufacturers to increase production as soon as the A350 and 787 start selling in decent numbers again. With production of 7 a month for the 787 and 8 a month for the A350 there will be around 5 years of production for each of both models, which I suppose would be a number the manufacturers wouldn't be unhappy about.

frigatebird wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

aa1818 wrote:

Does anyone have accurate numbers for Boeing 787 and A350 backlogs and what the current production rates are for each aircraft?

According to Wikipedia, Boeing has a backlog of 491 787s and Airbus a backlog of 473 A350s.
Assuming neither gets any large orders tilting the scale one way, what is the current production horizon?

Cheers,
AA1818

Airbus
A350-900/1000
Total Order= 913
Total Delivered= 440
Total in Backlog= 473*

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 94.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 8 months production

*Figure as of 31st August 2021, according to latest Airbus O & D sheet

Boeing
B787-8/9/10
Total Order= 1,436
Total Delivered= 1,008
Total in Backlog= 428**

Current production rate = 5/ month
That's 85.6 months of production, approximately 7 years and 1 month production

**Final figure of backlog before production temporary stoppage in July 2021. Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... %20backlog.
Boeing O&D wesbite seems to be down at the moment.

I do expect both manufacturers to increase production as soon as the A350 and 787 start selling in decent numbers again. With production of 7 a month for the 787 and 8 a month for the A350 there will be around 5 years of production for each of both models, which I suppose would be a number the manufacturers wouldn't be unhappy about.

Yes, both manufacturers will indeed increase the production again, however it depends on how fast the market will recover. At current rate, we can only expect things will rebound to a smaller level pre-pandemic at least in 2023. Note that much of Africa and Asia (the world's largest population concentration) are still closed for both leisure and business visit. The only ones that are opened up are US- Europe - South America to certain extent. Gonna be a long road for recovery for long haul routes.

I read that JA936A (66523/1093) was delivered on 12 october. Does that mean that the FAA is happy and full delivery also of the backlog will now be resumed?

MEA-707 wrote:

I read that JA936A (66523/1093) was delivered on 12 october. Does that mean that the FAA is happy and full delivery also of the backlog will now be resumed?

I wouldn't think so. That frame delivered back in April to Atlantis so it's no longer Boeing's property. I guess the fixes will be done at Tokyo.

For 787 issues please continue here:

FAA Confirms Boeing Halts 787 Deliveries

Posts have been moved accordingly.

Boeing says they are getting close to resuming deliveries for the 787 though no date or timeline has been mentioned

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ce=twitter

As tere is the ongoing thread on 787 issues all posts have been moved into this thread in order to have only one thread on this subject.

The thread can be found here:

FAA Confirms Boeing Halts 787 Deliveries

From the 2019 thread : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411885&p=21581987&hilit=%22p4+bdl%22#p21581987

"It was never for Somon Air according to Boeing data. It's nothing more than pure coincidence that Somon Air were looking for a 787 around the time of P4-BDLs first appearance at PDX and Global Jet happen to register their heavy metal on the Aruba register (Somon Air also use the Aruba register on occasion). The 2 are not linked. LN 315 was sold to Global Jet after the PrivatAir deal fell through. In the article linked above it says that Somon Air were looking to take one of the unwanted RJ 787s but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

This is pure speculation (although I expect it will get reposted as fact at some point, such is the internet), but I have a suspicion P4-BDL may be a replacement for 767 P4-MES."

P4-MES arrived BSL 17th 0710Z from FDF and went to Jet Aviation ramp. Just over an hour later P4-BDL departed from Jet Aviation ramp and flew to SVO and is now enroute SXM. I think we can safely conclude that this is Abramovich's new ride.

Good detective work there RobK ! P4-BDL has already arrived at SXM. I wonder what the fate of the 767 will be, I imagine it may have special security features installed ?

TC957 wrote:

Good detective work there RobK ! P4-BDL has already arrived at SXM. I wonder what the fate of the 767 will be, I imagine it may have special security features installed ?

The fate of the 767 will be whatever the new owner decides. It's for sale.

it appears P4-BDL left SXM-NASand proceeded to perform 6 touch & go's....crew training i'm guessing
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/P4B ... /MYNN/MYNN

Pics (taken with phone) of the bird sitting in Nassau/MYNNhttps://www.airliners.net/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=4943

P4-BDL's time in Nassau was pretty cool. I spent the entire day recording her training while she was freaking out all the locals who arent used to see a heavy flying so low overhead.

RobK wrote:

From the 2019 thread : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411885&p=21581987&hilit=%22p4+bdl%22#p21581987

"It was never for Somon Air according to Boeing data. It's nothing more than pure coincidence that Somon Air were looking for a 787 around the time of P4-BDLs first appearance at PDX and Global Jet happen to register their heavy metal on the Aruba register (Somon Air also use the Aruba register on occasion). The 2 are not linked. LN 315 was sold to Global Jet after the PrivatAir deal fell through. In the article linked above it says that Somon Air were looking to take one of the unwanted RJ 787s but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

This is pure speculation (although I expect it will get reposted as fact at some point, such is the internet), but I have a suspicion P4-BDL may be a replacement for 767 P4-MES."

P4-MES arrived BSL 17th 0710Z from FDF and went to Jet Aviation ramp. Just over an hour later P4-BDL departed from Jet Aviation ramp and flew to SVO and is now enroute SXM. I think we can safely conclude that this is Abramovich's new ride.

Yea, this airframe has been rumoured for some time as Roman Ambramovich's replacement jet for P4-MES B767-33A/ER. The latter has been listed in the market for some time: https://www.controller.com/listing/for- ... t-aircraft Really low cycle!

Jet Aviation also made a press release on the interior completion few days ago: https://www.jetaviation.com/company/per ... completion

The new B787 will join rest of Roman Abramovich's toys: two yachts, and a Gulfstream G650.

cameronmd80 wrote:

P4-BDL's time in Nassau was pretty cool. I spent the entire day recording her training while she was freaking out all the locals who arent used to see a heavy flying so low overhead.

Can’t wait to see it when you put it on YouTube.

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