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Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:25 pm

https://aviationweek.com/shownews/dubai ... ai-airshow

Senior Boeing sources say the 777X NAMS testing show that the jets fuel burn is better than expected

“Most notably, it began crucial cruise fuel-burn—or NAMS (nautical air miles survey)—testing, and senior company officials say the initial results are better than expected.“
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:54 pm

Norris has the length for the 777XF as "slightly longer than the 300ER" That can't be right. All the talk has been slightly longer than the 8X at the longest.
 
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744SPX wrote:
Norris has the length for the 777XF as "slightly longer than the 300ER" That can't be right. All the talk has been slightly longer than the 8X at the longest.

It actually talks about the 777-8 being slightly longer than the 77W. I think that is a typo/mistake and he meant slightly longer than the -200LR/F.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:59 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-2021 ... 58.article

The GE9X has completed dust ingestion testing and the engine performed very well.

Head of the program points to other things as well. He says:

“Boeing has brought a 777-9 to the Dubai show and Sheldon says “the moment it touched down we had knowledge that there were no issues with the engine whatsoever on the flight over”.“

Further out, he sees the likely next application for the GE9X on a freighter version of the 777X.

“All our efforts so far have been on the [777]-9 but there may be a lot of activity coming up on a freighter,” says Sheldon.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:24 am

From the same article, GE's current time-line prediction:

"No production engines have so far been shipped to the airframer for the 777X programme, but Sheldon says this will happen “in time to meet Boeing’s demand, which we expect to be in early 2023” to meet a service-entry plan for October that year."
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:28 am

Opus99 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-2021/ge9x-clears-dust-ingestion-test-milestone/146358.article

The GE9X has completed dust ingestion testing and the engine performed very well.

Head of the program points to other things as well. He says:

“Boeing has brought a 777-9 to the Dubai show and Sheldon says “the moment it touched down we had knowledge that there were no issues with the engine whatsoever on the flight over”.“

Further out, he sees the likely next application for the GE9X on a freighter version of the 777X.

“All our efforts so far have been on the [777]-9 but there may be a lot of activity coming up on a freighter,” says Sheldon.


It slightly amazes me how people having access to all that is being discovered, published and confirmed on 777-9 certification issues, feel Boeing can easily launch a derivative. If we don't mention, everything will be fine? It seems Tim Clark & Steve Dixon were again loud & clear last week, but somehow it doesn't seem to sink in.
- Clark (#1 customer) https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -problems/
- Dixon (#1 regulator) https://styleheavens.com/faa-questions- ... y-reuters/

777XF EIS would be around 2030 as far I can see. Right after the fully FAA/ EASA certified 777-9 proved itself in service, setting a solid new certification base for a derivative. +5 years for another far modified derivative. With FAA all over the program.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:31 am

keesje wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-2021/ge9x-clears-dust-ingestion-test-milestone/146358.article

The GE9X has completed dust ingestion testing and the engine performed very well.

Head of the program points to other things as well. He says:

“Boeing has brought a 777-9 to the Dubai show and Sheldon says “the moment it touched down we had knowledge that there were no issues with the engine whatsoever on the flight over”.“

Further out, he sees the likely next application for the GE9X on a freighter version of the 777X.

“All our efforts so far have been on the [777]-9 but there may be a lot of activity coming up on a freighter,” says Sheldon.


It slightly amazes me how people having access to all that is being discovered, published and confirmed on 777-9 certification issues, feel Boeing can easily launch a derivative. If we don't mention, everything will be fine? It seems Tim Clark & Steve Dixon were again loud & clear last week, but somehow it doesn't seem to sink in.
- Clark (#1 customer) https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -problems/
- Dixon (#1 regulator) https://styleheavens.com/faa-questions- ... y-reuters/

777XF EIS would be around 2030 as far I can see. Right after the fully FAA/ EASA certified 777-9 proved itself in service, setting a solid new certification base for a derivative. +5 years for another far modified derivative. With FAA all over the program.

In the grand scheme of things. What you can see does not matter
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:14 pm

keesje wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-2021/ge9x-clears-dust-ingestion-test-milestone/146358.article

The GE9X has completed dust ingestion testing and the engine performed very well.

Head of the program points to other things as well. He says:

“Boeing has brought a 777-9 to the Dubai show and Sheldon says “the moment it touched down we had knowledge that there were no issues with the engine whatsoever on the flight over”.“

Further out, he sees the likely next application for the GE9X on a freighter version of the 777X.

“All our efforts so far have been on the [777]-9 but there may be a lot of activity coming up on a freighter,” says Sheldon.


It slightly amazes me how people having access to all that is being discovered, published and confirmed on 777-9 certification issues, feel Boeing can easily launch a derivative. If we don't mention, everything will be fine? It seems Tim Clark & Steve Dixon were again loud & clear last week, but somehow it doesn't seem to sink in.
- Clark (#1 customer) https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -problems/
- Dixon (#1 regulator) https://styleheavens.com/faa-questions- ... y-reuters/

777XF EIS would be around 2030 as far I can see. Right after the fully FAA/ EASA certified 777-9 proved itself in service, setting a solid new certification base for a derivative. +5 years for another far modified derivative. With FAA all over the program.

Boeing obviously has a hard deadline with restrictions that the 777F faces so the XF would need to come to market by the 2027 timeframe.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:26 pm

keesje wrote:
It slightly amazes me how people having access to all that is being discovered, published and confirmed on 777-9 certification issues, feel Boeing can easily launch a derivative. If we don't mention, everything will be fine? It seems Tim Clark & Steve Dixon were again loud & clear last week, but somehow it doesn't seem to sink in.
- Clark (#1 customer) https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -problems/
- Dixon (#1 regulator) https://styleheavens.com/faa-questions- ... y-reuters/

777XF EIS would be around 2030 as far I can see. Right after the fully FAA/ EASA certified 777-9 proved itself in service, setting a solid new certification base for a derivative. +5 years for another far modified derivative. With FAA all over the program.

Some of us aren't amazed by the idea that trust can be re-established:

The task of certifying the 777X is seen within Boeing as a key chance to reestablish trust with the FAA, European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and other regulators around the world. The manufacturer wants the FAA to reestablish its role as an international regulatory leader and stabilize bilateral regulatory behavior around the world. The 777X “is really that opportunity,” the Boeing sources say, because the aircraft will be certified under EASA’s changed product rules, with exemptions and harmonization with that agency. Getting this process functioning again is seen as critical not just to Boeing but to the commercial aerospace industry writ large.

Ref: https://aviationweek.com/shownews/dubai ... ai-airshow

The more pessimistic posts remind me of how Patrik Ky was more optimistic about MAX's RTS than Steven Dickson (sp!) was.

JohanTally wrote:
Boeing obviously has a hard deadline with restrictions that the 777F faces so the XF would need to come to market by the 2027 timeframe.

I agree, end 2027 is a more likely target than 2030 as some are suggesting.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:33 pm

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 40513?s=21

Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:48 pm

Clearly this is a desperate attempt by Boeing to keep Lufthansa and British Airways onboard as customers. :duck: :rotfl: :silly:
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:31 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/status/1459282994997440513?s=21

Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle

It's exciting to see the program at a point where they can start showcasing the new aircraft.
 
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Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:39 pm

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It's exciting to see the program at a point where they can start showcasing the new aircraft.


Yes - a chance for more airline staff to get to see it in person. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:17 am

Stitch wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
It's exciting to see the program at a point where they can start showcasing the new aircraft.


Yes - a chance for more airline staff to get to see it in person. :bigthumbsup:

I'm sure the nerdy engineers(joking) at Lufthansa Technik can't wait to get up close with the folding wingtips and those giant GE9X engines. If the A346 is still flying when they take delivery of 779s they will have the three longest commercial aircraft ever made.
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:48 am

More reports coming out. Looks like the 779 will also visit Doha and will be at FRA for about 2 and a half days.

I mean, if LH wanted to get this aircraft off their books they won’t be sponsoring it for 2 days

https://twitter.com/runway25c/status/14 ... 67552?s=21
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:58 am

Boeing has said on the eve of the Dubai Air Show that it is sticking with 2023 for first delivery of the 777X

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ce=twitter
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:53 pm

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Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle


I take it these are refueling stops..... :rotfl: :white:
 
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Heavierthanair wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle


I take it these are refueling stops..... :rotfl: :white:

I’d love to be the one refuelling LOL
 
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:41 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/status/1459282994997440513?s=21

Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle


They might avoid challenging EASA airworthiness regulations though

:rotfl:
 
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Heavierthanair wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Reports coming out that the 777X will stop at FRA and LHR before heading back to Seattle


I take it these are refueling stops..... :rotfl: :white:

Especially since some of us still question whether the a/c is limited in the altitudes it can achieve, maybe they can only go high when going one way......
 
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:39 pm

IMO appropriate for the testing thread, a little peak inside the 779 "BFA" at the Dubai Air Show, courtesy of Jon Ostrower, showing the various engineering workstations.

Image

More photos at https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0054296576 also..
 
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Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:19 pm

He's been adding more photos to the thread.

Here's one more interior shot:

Image

I don't think we've gotten many interior shots of a test airplane up to this point in time.
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:24 pm

Live test going on... https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2

Are they trying to break it? :)
 
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:43 pm

Interesting video attached to this tweet, for 777x wingtip fans:

Andreas Spaeth @SpaethFlies

Deputy chief pilot Heather Ross who flew 777-9 to #DubaiAirshow2021 explaining cockpit systems on the @BoeingAirplanes #Boeing777X to me today, including folding wingtip switch and indicator #avgeek

Ref: https://twitter.com/SpaethFlies/status/ ... 3335403525
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:17 am

So where is the wingtip position indicator? On the autopilot panel? Couldn't see where she was pointing at.
 
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So where is the wingtip position indicator? On the autopilot panel? Couldn't see where she was pointing at.

I think on the screens. Usually the same area where you would see flap levels/indicators
 
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Revelation wrote:

Nice to see it in different destinations. What I’ve also noticed from my Twitter feed is that people are far more impressed when they see it in person. Lovely aircraft
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:13 pm

Opus99 wrote:
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Nice to see it in different destinations. What I’ve also noticed from my Twitter feed is that people are far more impressed when they see it in person. Lovely aircraft

Indeed. The photographer did an excellent job in those photos, IMO. Unfortunately he/she is not credited, presumably its a LH or FRA employee. They had a pretty photogenic object to work with too!

I have a tradition of going to BFI/PAE as a given product is in flight test. I hope to see 779 in person some day soon!
 
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Impressive flight demo of the 777X at Dubai ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P66Kf17-fSc&t=9s
 
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Impressive flight demo of the 777X at Dubai ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P66Kf17-fSc&t=9s

Objects in bins may have shifted during flight...
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:38 pm

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Any idea why this flight took nearly an hour longer than other flights on this same route? It didn't appear to deviate from the standard flight path but according to FR24 it was nearly 7 hours vs the standard 6 hour flight.
 
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JohanTally wrote:
Revelation wrote:

Any idea why this flight took nearly an hour longer than other flights on this same route? It didn't appear to deviate from the standard flight path but according to FR24 it was nearly 7 hours vs the standard 6 hour flight.

Edit just saw it departed from Qatar not Dubai. It actually does deviate pretty far south from standard routing to avoid Iraqi and Syrian (and possibly Turkish?) airspace.

779: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N779XW
QR DOH-FRA: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /OTHH/EDDF
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:48 pm

The 779 has gone into the LH teknik hangar. I wonder what they’ll be doing with it for the next two days. I assume LH will also get an insight into fuel burn figures and the likes
 
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The 779 has gone into the LH teknik hangar. I wonder what they’ll be doing with it for the next two days. I assume LH will also get an insight into fuel burn figures and the likes

Tours, demos, and plenty of PowerPoint presentations.
 
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Polot wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Revelation wrote:

Any idea why this flight took nearly an hour longer than other flights on this same route? It didn't appear to deviate from the standard flight path but according to FR24 it was nearly 7 hours vs the standard 6 hour flight.

Edit just saw it departed from Qatar not Dubai. It actually does deviate pretty far south from standard routing to avoid Iraqi and Syrian (and possibly Turkish?) airspace.

779: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N779XW
QR DOH-FRA: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /OTHH/EDDF

Yes, it spent some time in DOH:

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 5308776449

Interesting video, somewhat over-produced, but still...

Polot wrote:
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The 779 has gone into the LH teknik hangar. I wonder what they’ll be doing with it for the next two days. I assume LH will also get an insight into fuel burn figures and the likes

Tours, demos, and plenty of PowerPoint presentations.

My first thought is you don't need to put it into a hangar to do those things.

Maybe they have some spare hangar capacity since the wide body fleet is not particularly busy now.

Yet I bet they are doing some familiarization for the Technics staff, since LH is an early customer and a bunch of their frames are already built.
 
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Polot wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Any idea why this flight took nearly an hour longer than other flights on this same route? It didn't appear to deviate from the standard flight path but according to FR24 it was nearly 7 hours vs the standard 6 hour flight.

Edit just saw it departed from Qatar not Dubai. It actually does deviate pretty far south from standard routing to avoid Iraqi and Syrian (and possibly Turkish?) airspace.

779: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N779XW
QR DOH-FRA: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /OTHH/EDDF

Yes, it spent some time in DOH:

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 5308776449

Interesting video, somewhat over-produced, but still...

Polot wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
The 779 has gone into the LH teknik hangar. I wonder what they’ll be doing with it for the next two days. I assume LH will also get an insight into fuel burn figures and the likes

Tours, demos, and plenty of PowerPoint presentations.

My first thought is you don't need to put it into a hangar to do those things.

Maybe they have some spare hangar capacity since the wide body fleet is not particularly busy now.

Yet I bet they are doing some familiarization for the Technics staff, since LH is an early customer and a bunch of their frames are already built.

It’s preferred that it is done in hangar. Airlines generally like having their staff (who may not be mx/ramp personnel) contained within a hangar rather than out loose on an open ramp. Easier to get them to the plane too as you can walk into most hangars from a street/parking lot.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:18 pm

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-19/

The launch customer of the 777X is indeed Lufthansa. Their CEO said that was confirmed today
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:25 pm

You mean launch operator? LH being one of the launch customers is known for a long time.
 
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You mean launch operator? LH being one of the launch customers is known for a long time.

Yes they’ll get the first 777X
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:02 pm

Will they be able to get to 805 Klb MTOW? Is that only good at select airfields that can take that pavement loading?
Is the 777-9 sit higher than the 777-300ER? What are the clearances at the front and rear landing gear to pavement? Looking at it in Everett, it appears to sit higher.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:29 pm

Regarding the rumored significant MTOW boost, one imagines the frame would be very likely only be operating out of a limited number of airports at that weight - effectively major cargo hubs - so perhaps those facilities are able to handle the pavement loading?

And if the frame does need to operate out of fields that can't handle that weight, they could either be loaded lighter or not fueled to the point they trip the supported pavement loadings.
 
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Stitch wrote:
Regarding the rumored significant MTOW boost, one imagines the frame would be very likely only be operating out of a limited number of airports at that weight - effectively major cargo hubs - so perhaps those facilities are able to handle the pavement loading?

And if the frame does need to operate out of fields that can't handle that weight, they could either be loaded lighter or not fueled to the point they trip the supported pavement loadings.

How do the 747Fs handle it?
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:54 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Regarding the rumored significant MTOW boost, one imagines the frame would be very likely only be operating out of a limited number of airports at that weight - effectively major cargo hubs - so perhaps those facilities are able to handle the pavement loading?

And if the frame does need to operate out of fields that can't handle that weight, they could either be loaded lighter or not fueled to the point they trip the supported pavement loadings.

How do the 747Fs handle it?

Having more landing gear spread further apart ;)
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:09 pm

Polot wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Regarding the rumored significant MTOW boost, one imagines the frame would be very likely only be operating out of a limited number of airports at that weight - effectively major cargo hubs - so perhaps those facilities are able to handle the pavement loading?

And if the frame does need to operate out of fields that can't handle that weight, they could either be loaded lighter or not fueled to the point they trip the supported pavement loadings.

How do the 747Fs handle it?

Having more landing gear spread further apart ;)

LOL Oh right, obviously
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:22 pm

https://instagram.com/stories/lufthansa ... =copy_link

Lufthansa says the 777X is 15% more efficient than the 300ER? I assume this means per trip?

Can someone work out what that means per seat?
 
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:19 am

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWgHeC6pPuG ... =copy_link

Saw this on Jon Ostrowers page. If you zoom in you see gross weight at 516,600 pounds and fuel at 116,600 pounds does that put empty weight at 400,000 pounds? So 180 tonnes?

Maybe someone can do the calculations for us I’m not sure
 
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CWgHeC6pPuG/?utm_medium=copy_link

Saw this on Jon Ostrowers page. If you zoom in you see gross weight at 516,600 pounds and fuel at 116,600 pounds does that put empty weight at 400,000 pounds? So 180 tonnes?

Maybe someone can do the calculations for us I’m not sure


Around 181,4 tonnes if I did my math correctly, but that is with all the test equipment, etc on board I think?

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos