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Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:03 pm

ANA Holdings has agreed with Boeing to delay its first B777-9 deivery by two years to FY2023.

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:45 pm

When was the last 777-9 test flight?

Are they trying to get an initial approval prior to continuing the flight tests?

Thank you for any input.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:57 pm

VV wrote:
When was the last 777-9 test flight?

Are they trying to get an initial approval prior to continuing the flight tests?

Thank you for any input.
WH001: December 21

WH002: December 23

WH003: September 14

WH004: November 20

None of them have flown in 2021 yet, although WH001 (N779XW) is showing up on FR24 right now so it may fly today.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:18 am

Looks like we did have a flight today (Mon 4 Jan):

Another Monday, another take-off, another landing - and a great view of our #777X touchdown. Thanks @AeroimagesChris for the beautiful shot. Wishing you all a great week! #MondayMotivation

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:44 am

No, it's fake news.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 am

RobK wrote:
No, it's fake news.


Yep and whoever runs that page stalks this thread as well.

Any new info posted here and it will be on their Instagram within the hour. All about the views I guess lol.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:01 pm

That sky does not look like anything in the Seattle area yesterday, It was a dismal day. Today is not much better but WH001 is up.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:40 pm

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
RobK wrote:
No, it's fake news.


Yep and whoever runs that page stalks this thread as well.

Any new info posted here and it will be on their Instagram within the hour. All about the views I guess lol.

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:34 am

https://twitter.com/sabian404/status/13 ... 56641?s=21

Guys. EZD (for Emirates) WH006 has engines and it’s in all white this means it’s a test aircraft . Why? Is Tim about to get his Dubai aircraft “blasting out of Dubai with a full load”
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:35 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/sabian404/status/1347752489433456641?s=21

Guys. EZD (for Emirates) WH006 has engines and it’s in all white this means it’s a test aircraft . Why? Is Tim about to get his Dubai aircraft “blasting out of Dubai with a full load”

No way will testing at this time of the year be acceptable to the ME3, unless the forerunner of serious June-August tests.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:21 pm

smartplane wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/sabian404/status/1347752489433456641?s=21

Guys. EZD (for Emirates) WH006 has engines and it’s in all white this means it’s a test aircraft . Why? Is Tim about to get his Dubai aircraft “blasting out of Dubai with a full load”

No way will testing at this time of the year be acceptable to the ME3, unless the forerunner of serious June-August tests.

Same thing I thought, Let's see how this unravels but if it has engines then clearly Boeing has plans for it to fly sooner rather than later
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:10 pm

1605 has had engines for a couple months now. Was on the flightline with engines. Came back inside for some work and now going back outside
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:39 pm

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
1605 has had engines for a couple months now. Was on the flightline with engines. Came back inside for some work and now going back outside

Do you know what plans they have for this jet. Is it just going to storage? Because I know it’s a frame for Emirates. It has the 777X logo on the wingtips though so maybe it’s doing something for the test program?
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:44 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
1605 has had engines for a couple months now. Was on the flightline with engines. Came back inside for some work and now going back outside

Do you know what plans they have for this jet. Is it just going to storage? Because I know it’s a frame for Emirates. It has the 777X logo on the wingtips though so maybe it’s doing something for the test program?

I would guess that it might be a specific GE9X engine variant that Emirates want to be validated through tests for summer operations in Dubai. That type of heat is still only a few months away however so it is interesting to see what will happen with it.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:59 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
1605 has had engines for a couple months now. Was on the flightline with engines. Came back inside for some work and now going back outside

Do you know what plans they have for this jet. Is it just going to storage? Because I know it’s a frame for Emirates. It has the 777X logo on the wingtips though so maybe it’s doing something for the test program?

https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-an ... 52.article

Might it have anything to do with this maybe
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:00 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
1605 has had engines for a couple months now. Was on the flightline with engines. Came back inside for some work and now going back outside

Do you know what plans they have for this jet. Is it just going to storage? Because I know it’s a frame for Emirates. It has the 777X logo on the wingtips though so maybe it’s doing something for the test program?

https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-an ... 52.article

Might it have anything to do with this maybe

It is actually quite possible as the article suggests. I find it partly interesting that they would potentially be using an aircraft frame instead of their test bed facilities (where they mount the GE9X up at the testing facility).
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 am

wesk wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Do you know what plans they have for this jet. Is it just going to storage? Because I know it’s a frame for Emirates. It has the 777X logo on the wingtips though so maybe it’s doing something for the test program?

https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-an ... 52.article

Might it have anything to do with this maybe

It is actually quite possible as the article suggests. I find it partly interesting that they would potentially be using an aircraft frame instead of their test bed facilities (where they mount the GE9X up at the testing facility).

I believe they should’ve done that test already as lighstaber eluded to up thread. This maybe the call from Tim Cook. Especially as it’s an Emirates frame
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:37 am

Opus99 wrote:
wesk wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-an ... 52.article

Might it have anything to do with this maybe

It is actually quite possible as the article suggests. I find it partly interesting that they would potentially be using an aircraft frame instead of their test bed facilities (where they mount the GE9X up at the testing facility).

I believe they should’ve done that test already as lighstaber eluded to up thread. This maybe the call from Tim Cook. Especially as it’s an Emirates frame


Tim Cook, really? :)
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:26 am

Aircellist wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
wesk wrote:
It is actually quite possible as the article suggests. I find it partly interesting that they would potentially be using an aircraft frame instead of their test bed facilities (where they mount the GE9X up at the testing facility).

I believe they should’ve done that test already as lighstaber eluded to up thread. This maybe the call from Tim Cook. Especially as it’s an Emirates frame


Tim Cook, really? :)

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:44 am

ANA 777-9 JA072A to be moved back into factory tonight (15 Jan)

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:44 pm

Flight test 3 finally up in the air flying around
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:10 pm

Is Boeing still waiting for TIA for the 777-9?
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:20 pm

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Is Boeing still waiting for TIA for the 777-9?

I believe so, we haven't heard otherwise. Although, if not they may say they've received at their Q4 presentation next week
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:13 pm

Tn55337 wrote:
Is Boeing still waiting for TIA for the 777-9?


Last mention was 20 December 2020 from Guy Norris mentioning that Boeing expected it "soon".
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:47 pm

Any updates on the -8?
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:05 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Any updates on the -8?

I won't expect any till the -9 is certified tbh
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:00 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Any updates on the -8?


Nothing official, but my gut feeling is Boeing has stopped any serious development of the plane since it's main customers all have not indicated any interest in taking delivery anytime soon.

In my opinion, Boeing is likely doing basic R&D work on a freighter version of the 777X leveraging the 777-8 as a platform just as the 777 Freighter leveraged the 777-200LR. However, since the 777 Freighter is still in-demand, Boeing is likely keeping that design work quiet to not impact 777 Freighter sales campaigns.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:11 pm

Stitch wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
Any updates on the -8?


Nothing official, but my gut feeling is Boeing has stopped any serious development of the plane since it's main customers all have not indicated any interest in taking delivery anytime soon.

In my opinion, Boeing is likely doing basic R&D work on a freighter version of the 777X leveraging the 777-8 as a platform just as the 777 Freighter leveraged the 777-200LR. However, since the 777 Freighter is still in-demand, Boeing is likely keeping that design work quiet to not impact 777 Freighter sales campaigns.


Boeing probably has the 778 pretty well developed, but it will be easier and a lot cheaper to wait until the 779 has its EIS. Then all the changes are made except for the actual shrink, also any better performance can be used to fine tune the 778 and 77xF designs. The design team working the 779 after EIS could easily move over to the 778.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:50 pm

WH003 scheduled for testing again. Seems like they have started preparing for NAMS testing or are starting NAMS testing
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:53 pm

We are now approaching 900 hours of flight testing
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:33 pm

Anyone want to talk about the End of 2023 First Delivery now? https://leehamnews.com/2021/01/27/big-l ... more-35721

Is the FAA basically insisting on a clean sheet approval now? I makes sense that Customers do not want to take it until then.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:42 pm

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Anyone want to talk about the End of 2023 First Delivery now? https://leehamnews.com/2021/01/27/big-l ... more-35721

Is the FAA basically insisting on a clean sheet approval now? I makes sense that Customers do not want to take it until then.


Seems almost so, the cost is now also approaching clean sheet levels. Together with the normal development cost, the 1bn wing factory and the 6.5bn charge Boeing must have already invested over 10bn for a derivative. Together with the low production rate and depressed market demand, the 777X slowly creeps towards financial disaster (like the A380). It will fly and make a handful of airlines happy but now I really cant see Boeing make money and GE will also have to carry some of that loss.
 
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Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:50 pm

From Flight Global:

“Boeing now anticipates that the first 777X delivery will occur in late 2023,” the airframer says, adding that it has also recorded a pre-tax charge on the 777X programme of $6.5 billion.

“The schedule, and the associate financial impact, reflect a number of factors, including an updated assessment of global certification requirements, the company’s latest assessment of the Covid-19 pandemic on market demand and discussions with customers with respect to aircraft delivery timing,” Boeing says.


https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/boeing-delays-first-777-9-delivery-to-2023-takes-65bn-charge/142146.article

Does this mean that production will be stopped, or will it continue and we´ve the next Boeing to be stored in large quantities?
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:11 pm

Late 2023? That will make the 777X almost as late to the party as the 787. Inexcusable for a derivative aircraft. And what is the break even for the 777X with these new terrible numbers?
 
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Emphasis mine:

'The schedule change and charge also reflect adjustments to production rates and the programme accounting quantity, increased change incorporation costs and associated customer and supply change impacts.'

That means they're planning to amortize engineering and tooling charges over a smaller lifetime quantity.
 
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:16 pm

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Late 2023? That will make the 777X almost as late to the party as the 787. Inexcusable for a derivative aircraft.


It’s hard to tell how much of the delay is due to airlines not wanting to add a new airplane type until 2023 due to Coronavirus
 
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:22 pm

Ouch, will it be even available in numbers for the retirement cycle of the 777s?
 
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:27 pm

Late 2023 means 2024 I guess.

Some 10 years after formal launch :o
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:29 pm

I think we need to think hard about what is meant by "charge".

I do not think there is any cash transaction when you take charge, but you guys know better accounting than I do.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:33 pm

Leeham reporting that 777/777X production will remain at two per month. Given a backlog (per Boeing's site) of 58* 77L/W/F they wouldn't have to build very many 777X to fill production until EIS.


* I think some of that stated backlog of 77Ws look somewhat 'dubious'.
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:33 pm

When the dust settles ...

JonesNL wrote:
Ouch, will it be even available in numbers for the retirement cycle of the 777s?

Part of the problem seems to be that the 777 retirement cycle doesn't need the 777-X ...
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VV wrote:
I think we need to think hard about what is meant by "charge".

I do not think there is any cash transaction when you take charge, but you guys know better accounting than I do.

No there isn’t a cash transaction. It’s essentially a write off or an “impairment charge” to use the full word. Think along the lines of how you account for depreciation or write off. It must appear in your P&L but no cash transaction
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:40 pm

VV wrote:
I think we need to think hard about what is meant by "charge".

I do not think there is any cash transaction when you take charge, but you guys know better accounting than I do.


However you want to gloss it, Boeing has $6.5 billion less than they had yesterday.
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Re: Boeing delays first 777-9 delivery to 2023, takes $6.5bn charge

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:48 pm

scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:
I think we need to think hard about what is meant by "charge".

I do not think there is any cash transaction when you take charge, but you guys know better accounting than I do.


However you want to gloss it, Boeing has $6.5 billion less than they had yesterday.

You’re obviously not an accountant. It’s pretty big bit for Boeing obviously and for the 777X program in terms of delays. This is kitchen sink work by Boeing. But may I ask Boeing has 6.5 billion less of what exactly? What kind of statement is this? I don’t disagree that It’s bleak but please make accurate statements.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:49 pm

In the event that regulators are asking for clean sheet requirements what does that mean in terms of testing. What needs to be done? Or redone?
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:56 pm

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Late 2023? That will make the 777X almost as late to the party as the 787. Inexcusable for a derivative aircraft. And what is the break even for the 777X with these new terrible numbers?

Have you read a newspaper recently? "Inexcusable" in this global longhaul climate is a bizarre choice of words. Look how many WBs are parked, and how many have a realistic chance of ever flying anywhere other than the scrappers.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:59 pm

Strato2 wrote:
Late 2023? That will make the 777X almost as late to the party as the 787. Inexcusable for a derivative aircraft. And what is the break even for the 777X with these new terrible numbers?


This isn't like the 787 situation though. It's a lot of bad luck in market timing for this project.
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:00 pm

Opus99 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:
I think we need to think hard about what is meant by "charge".

I do not think there is any cash transaction when you take charge, but you guys know better accounting than I do.


However you want to gloss it, Boeing has $6.5 billion less than they had yesterday.

You’re obviously not an accountant. It’s pretty big bit for Boeing obviously and for the 777X program in terms of delays. This is kitchen sink work by Boeing. But may I ask Boeing has 6.5 billion less of what exactly? What kind of statement is this? I don’t disagree that It’s bleak but please make accurate statements.

Yes the cash situation hasn't change in a day, but this charge is the officialisation that Boeing spent (=lost) $6.5 billion more than previously expected.
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