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Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:24 pm

Happy New Year all!
In 2020 thread here:
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RobK says:

The Volga's appear to be cancelled now on Boeing's page as there is -3 showing on the ASC adjustment, leaving 9 for UPS so ln 1571 should, theoretically, be the last one. I can confirm all to 1569 are in the firing order for UPS but the last 2 frames haven't been loaded yet.


RobK, sorry, math doesn't add up.
747classic wrote a couple of months ago:
1558, 747-8F, RC610, Volga-Dnepr UK Ltd (NTU) , UPS, serial number 63784, N624UP, del 2020
1562, 747-8F, RC688, UPS #20, serial number 65782, N625UP, del 2020
1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number xxxxx, N626UP, del 2021
1564, 747-8F, RC690, UPS #22, serial number xxxxx, N627UP, del 2021
1565, 747-8F, RC691, UPS #23, serial number xxxxx, N628UP, del 2021
1566, 747-8F, RC692, UPS #24, serial number xxxxx, N629UP, del 2021
1567, 747-8F, RC693, UPS #25, serial number xxxxx, N630UP, del 2021
1568, 747-8F, RC694, UPS #26, serial number xxxxx, N631UP, del 2022
1569, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
1570, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022

Who is 1571 presumably for?
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:26 pm

Speak to 747classic. He wrote that list, not me.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:14 pm

As far as I know unless 5X takes 1571 it will be a white tail. Now I have no idea why they wouldnt take it, but their CEO is kind of crazy at the moment so who knows.
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:47 pm

rturner wrote:
As far as I know unless 5X takes 1571 it will be a white tail. Now I have no idea why they wouldnt take it, but their CEO is kind of crazy at the moment so who knows.


anything constructive to add to that comment or just "crazy"
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:30 pm

We’re not happy with her approach as we had a previous CEO who acted this way and set us back several years. We have been playing catch-up ever since with new aircraft purchases to get caught up. Turning away business and cutting off customers. Favoring stock price over customer service.
 
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Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:09 am

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We’re not happy with her approach as we had a previous CEO who acted this way and set us back several years. We have been playing catch-up ever since with new aircraft purchases to get caught up. Turning away business and cutting off customers. Favoring stock price over customer service.

this is what I mean ^

I have a family member who drives OTR for UPS and is getting laid off because the new CEO thinks the route (MCI-SGF) isnt needed. Even though he runs at 100% capacity with 2-3 other trucks with him every day.

there's your "constructive" response along with this said users response.
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:22 pm

Eight (8) UPS 747-8F aircraft remain to be delivered :

1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number xxxxx, N626UP, del 2021, FAL.
1564, 747-8F, RC690, UPS #22, serial number xxxxx, N627UP, del 2021
1565, 747-8F, RC691, UPS #23, serial number xxxxx, N628UP, del 2021
1566, 747-8F, RC692, UPS #24, serial number xxxxx, N629UP, del 2021
1567, 747-8F, RC693, UPS #25, serial number xxxxx, N630UP, del 2021
1568, 747-8F, RC694, UPS #26, serial number xxxxx, N631UP, del 2022
The last two are officially not yet allocated :
1569?, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
1570?, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022

1571, former UPS #28 cancelled,after purchase of L/N 1558 (ex Volga Dnepr), by the new CEO of UPS.
IMHO a strategic mistake, because this last batch of 14 was already heavy discounted. With purchasing more than 28 747-8F's the decision to keep all 747-8F's as a UPS fleet extension or to replace a few 747-4F's could have been delayed until 2022.
Boeing can decide to stop assembly after L/N 1570 (according reports each of the last built 747-8F is sold with a loss) or to offer the remaining shipsets to a loyal 747-8F customer (e.g. Cargolux)

Also three (3) Volga Dnepr aircraft are listed as ASC606 orders in the Boeing order/delivery listing.
It's not known if these shipsets have been produced by Triumph (former Vought division)

1572 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1573 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1574 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:25 pm

747classic wrote:
The last two are officially not yet allocated :
1569?, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
1570?, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022


:confused:

What is your source of info? I have already told you one of them in post #194. Beyond that they haven't been finalised.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:32 pm

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IMHO a strategic mistake, because this last batch of 14 was already heavy discounted. With purchasing more than 28 747-8F's the decision to keep all 747-8F's as a UPS fleet extension or to replace a few 747-4F's could have been delayed until 2022.



" extension " must be " expansion"


IMHO a strategic mistake, because this last batch of 14 was already heavy discounted. With purchasing more than 28 747-8F's the decision to keep all 747-8F's as a UPS fleet expansion or to replace a few 747-4F's could have been delayed until 2022.
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:32 pm

747classic wrote:
Eight (8) UPS 747-8F aircraft remain to be delivered :

1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number xxxxx, N626UP, del 2021, FAL.
1564, 747-8F, RC690, UPS #22, serial number xxxxx, N627UP, del 2021
1565, 747-8F, RC691, UPS #23, serial number xxxxx, N628UP, del 2021
1566, 747-8F, RC692, UPS #24, serial number xxxxx, N629UP, del 2021
1567, 747-8F, RC693, UPS #25, serial number xxxxx, N630UP, del 2021
1568, 747-8F, RC694, UPS #26, serial number xxxxx, N631UP, del 2022
The last two are officially not yet allocated :
1569?, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
1570?, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022

1571, former UPS #28 cancelled,after purchase of L/N 1558 (ex Volga Dnepr), by the new CEO of UPS.
IMHO a strategic mistake, because this last batch of 14 was already heavy discounted. With purchasing more than 28 747-8F's the decision to keep all 747-8F's as a UPS fleet extension or to replace a few 747-4F's could have been delayed until 2022.
Boeing can decide to stop assembly after L/N 1570 (according reports each of the last built 747-8F is sold with a loss) or to offer the remaining shipsets to a loyal 747-8F customer (e.g. Cargolux)

Also three (3) Volga Dnepr aircraft are listed as ASC606 orders in the Boeing order/delivery listing.
It's not known if these shipsets have been produced by Triumph (former Vought division)

1572 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1573 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1574 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)


Building of future 747-8F aircraft could depend on how many ship-sets of parts Boeing is committed to buy from it's suppliers. Boeing could sell them to loyal customers which could also include UPS even if it has a crazy CEO. Boeing may be in a difficult position in regards to the last 747-8Fs it builds. That is why Boeing has tax attorneys and accountants. :old:
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:40 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
747classic wrote:
Eight (8) UPS 747-8F aircraft remain to be delivered :

1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number xxxxx, N626UP, del 2021, FAL.
1564, 747-8F, RC690, UPS #22, serial number xxxxx, N627UP, del 2021
1565, 747-8F, RC691, UPS #23, serial number xxxxx, N628UP, del 2021
1566, 747-8F, RC692, UPS #24, serial number xxxxx, N629UP, del 2021
1567, 747-8F, RC693, UPS #25, serial number xxxxx, N630UP, del 2021
1568, 747-8F, RC694, UPS #26, serial number xxxxx, N631UP, del 2022
The last two are officially not yet allocated :
1569?, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
1570?, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022

1571, former UPS #28 cancelled,after purchase of L/N 1558 (ex Volga Dnepr), by the new CEO of UPS.
IMHO a strategic mistake, because this last batch of 14 was already heavy discounted. With purchasing more than 28 747-8F's the decision to keep all 747-8F's as a UPS fleet extension or to replace a few 747-4F's could have been delayed until 2022.
Boeing can decide to stop assembly after L/N 1570 (according reports each of the last built 747-8F is sold with a loss) or to offer the remaining shipsets to a loyal 747-8F customer (e.g. Cargolux)

Also three (3) Volga Dnepr aircraft are listed as ASC606 orders in the Boeing order/delivery listing.
It's not known if these shipsets have been produced by Triumph (former Vought division)

1572 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1573 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)
1574 unk (Volga Dnepr ?)


Building of future 747-8F aircraft could depend on how many ship-sets of parts Boeing is committed to buy from it's suppliers. Boeing could sell them to loyal customers which could also include UPS even if it has a crazy CEO. Boeing may be in a difficult position in regards to the last 747-8Fs it builds. That is why Boeing has tax attorneys and accountants. :old:

The ship has left the dock already. Per previous threads IIRC Triumph (or maybe someone else) is no longer making major assemblies for the 747 and Boeing doesn't seem interested in finding any new suppliers.
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:56 am

trex8 wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
747classic wrote:
The ship has left the dock already. Per previous threads IIRC Triumph (or maybe someone else) is no longer making major assemblies for the 747 and Boeing doesn't seem interested in finding any new suppliers.


Indeed Triumph etc already stopped building 747 parts. But somewhere someone here should know if the last is fuselage 1570 or 1575 or anything in between. I have read only speculation so far. With cargo aircraft being popular and the An-124 grounded, I am sure that, if parts sets are already 'on the shelf' for a few white tails, Boeing will build and sell these for a profit (meaning they loose less more money than leaving these parts unused). But if 1570 is the last it means all remaining production will be taken up by UPS.
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:19 am

Some info regarding final ship sets off parts which apparently were made over a year ago so starting up again is virtually impossible.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... mbo-frames
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Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:38 pm

747classic wrote:
It's not known if these shipsets have been produced by Triumph (former Vought division)


Information from third-party sources at the 2018 or 2019 summer Air Show stated that a total of 20 747-8F shipsets were created by Vought before they shut down the line and started selling it off and this was enough to complete the remaining firm (at the time) V-D and UPS orders.

With V-D's and UPS' cancellations, this should leave a total of 4-5 shipsets available, though Boeing might not have the parts from other suppliers (depending on their current production status) to actually complete any additional 747-8F after the remaining firm UPS frames are delivered.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:46 pm

A lot of short term thinking. Would be crazy not to pick all the remaining frames up with no true 748F replacement on the horizon. You'd think there would be a mad rush to grab all remaining frames/shipsets.
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:01 pm

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A lot of short term thinking. Would be crazy not to pick all the remaining frames up with no true 748F replacement on the horizon. You'd think there would be a mad rush to grab all remaining frames/shipsets.

Not all of existing airlines will survive this downturn; most wouldn't, unless some "government cash", fresh off of printing presses, was thrown their way.
Most must focus on short-term, and fight to live another day. A very well thought-through business plan for the long-term is useless, if you haven't made it through a downturn. Ask LTCM and Lehman Bros.

I'm fully with you -- it makes sense, from broad industry point of view, to complete whatever can be completed -- it's the last chance to build those nose-loading large freighters, in a while.
It's just a shortage of interested parties, solvent enough to foot the bill, that's at play here.
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:08 pm

AAB stated he hoped to have a 3rd 748F for QR Cargo a while back when they took delivery of the first two frames.
Possible candidate for 1571.
 
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:58 pm

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We’re not happy with her approach as we had a previous CEO who acted this way and set us back several years. We have been playing catch-up ever since with new aircraft purchases to get caught up. Turning away business and cutting off customers. Favoring stock price over customer service.


Exactly, Davis was a financial guy who came in from an acquisition. Abney his replacement started with UPS in college. He was Chief Operating Officer. So he knew UPS Culture and operations.

Tome, never worked for UPS. She was on the board. She was Chief Finance Officer at Home Depot. My prediction is her legacy will be worse than Davis. Got to love tripping over quarters to pick up nickels.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:46 pm

Atlas has ordered 4 more -8fs.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1456587&p=22599833#p22599833

Wonder how triumph will deal with this and how long this order will prolong production.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:59 pm

According Boeing this also the last order.
See : https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130802

So, the last 747-8F will be L/N 1574.
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:23 pm

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Atlas has ordered 4 more -8fs.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1456587&p=22599833#p22599833

Wonder how triumph will deal with this and how long this order will prolong production.


These are the last 4 sets produced by Triumph. Nothing will be prolonged.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 pm

Yes, this will take care of the final four shipsets that were available due to Volga-Dnepr and UPS NTUs.
 
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747Classic, will you be posting a new production list now that things have been finalized.
 
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747Classic, will you be posting a new production list now that things have been finalized.


Allocated Line Numbers (for UPS) are now up to/incl. L/N 1569. (marked with a *)


To be delivered :

*L/N 1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number xxxxx, N626UP, FAL, del 2021
*L/N 1564, 747-8F, RC690, UPS #22, serial number xxxxx, N627UP, del 2021
*L/N 1565, 747-8F, RC691, UPS #23, serial number xxxxx, N628UP, del 2021
*L/N 1566, 747-8F, RC692, UPS #24, serial number xxxxx, N629UP, del 2021
*L/N 1567, 747-8F, RC693, UPS #25, serial number xxxxx, N630UP, del 2021
*L/N 1568, 747-8F, RC694, UPS #26, serial number xxxxx, N631UP, del 2022
*L/N 1569, 747-8F, RC695, UPS #27, serial number xxxxx, N632UP, del 2022
L/N 1570, 747-8F, RC696, UPS #28, serial number xxxxx, N633UP, del 2022
L/N 1571, 747-8F, Atlas Air (UPS #28 NTU, cancelled after UPS purchase of L/N 1558, Volga Dnepr NTU)
L/N 1572, 747-8F, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU)
L/N 1573, 747-8F, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU)
L/N 1574, 747-8F, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU)

The last five (1570 till/incl 1574) are not allocated yet , so theoretically UPS #28 could be allocated in between the Atlas Air aircraft or could even be the the last, behind the four Atlas Air 747-8F aircraft.
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Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:46 pm

So what then is the total number of 748's built/to be built? If L/N 1420(?) is the first, then its 155 total?

It also looks like to finish the final four (at current rate) production will end in 2023 instead of 2022?
 
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So what then is the total number of 748's built/to be built? If L/N 1420(?) is the first, then its 155 total?

It also looks like to finish the final four (at current rate) production will end in 2023 instead of 2022?

Indeed 155 748s to be built. Useless fact: one less than the 717
I think they can finish the run and deliveries at or just before december 2022 based on making six a year (one every two months), ln 1562 first flight on 19 november 2020 and 12 to go.
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So what then is the total number of 748's built/to be built? If L/N 1420(?) is the first, then its 155 total?

It also looks like to finish the final four (at current rate) production will end in 2023 instead of 2022?


According Atlas Air : "The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."
See : https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/

So the assembly rate must be increased a little to meet these target dates.

Note : UPS delivery schedule : five in 2021 and three in 2022.
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Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:22 pm

747classic wrote:
744SPX wrote:
So what then is the total number of 748's built/to be built? If L/N 1420(?) is the first, then its 155 total?

It also looks like to finish the final four (at current rate) production will end in 2023 instead of 2022?


According Atlas Air : "The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."
See : https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/

So the assembly rate must be increased a little to meet these target dates.

Note : UPS delivery schedule : five in 2021 and three in 2022.


If UPS agrees to take their #28 in December 2022, the speeding up can be avoided, or significantly tamed, correct?
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If UPS agrees to take their #28 in December 2022, the speeding up can be avoided, or significantly tamed, correct?


That's correct :checkmark: Delivery just before the peak 22/23 would be optimal for UPS

Time will tell what the exact assembly order will be
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Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:38 pm

Could the last few builds be faster simply from the pipeline emptying and resources being reallocated to the final frames?
 
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Could the last few builds be faster simply from the pipeline emptying and resources being reallocated to the final frames?


Exactly, with the end in sight closing the line early would probably be a cost saving and allow a future recovery to start with the massive amount of available space.
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Could the last few builds be faster simply from the pipeline emptying and resources being reallocated to the final frames?


Exactly, with the end in sight closing the line early would probably be a cost saving and allow a future recovery to start with the massive amount of available space.


If C-17 line shutdown is any guide, it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, yes, as the last planes roll off the line, you take folks who were busy with earlier stages of assembly, and redeploy them towards final stages. On the other hand, it takes training to re-skill folks between different type of work. Also, on C-17 line, some folks being shifted, actually ended up covering for people retiring before the line closure -- as no fresh workers were being trained for work that was about to disappear. So, it was apparently, more or less, a wash. At least that's what transpired publicly.

Of course, C-17 is different as it was the last plane at Long Beach McDD/Boeing plant, AFAIR. In Washington state, Boeing has plenty of underutilized airplane building staff.

A broader consideration -- on this board, it's typically accepted that the current 747 assembly rate is around 6 per year. I do remember reading that in reality, it's actually closer to 13 every two years, and extended Christmas breaks and other tools were used, to stretch it back to 6 per year. It did make sense to stretch, especially as folks mention that Boeing needs to have the frame in production in 2022, to be off the hook from obligations to launch customers.
Now, with 2022 production guaranteed, and end of line in sight, they can remove these semi-artificial slowdown measures, and speed things a little up...
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:40 pm

According to Matt Cawby the next 747-8F (L/N 1683, RC689, N626UP) is already out of the FAL (during the night 18/19 January ), so it seems that the assembly rate is already increased a little bit.
See last sentence (typo L/N 1684) : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/01/paine- ... nuary.html
Note : the first 747-8F roll-out of 2020 was around 27 January 2020, scheduled delivery in March 2020.
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:02 pm

747classic wrote:
According to Matt Cawby the next 747-8F (L/N 1683, RC689, N626UP) is already out of the FAL (during the night 18/19 January ), so it seems that the assembly rate is already increased a little bit.
See last sentence (typo L/N 1684) : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/01/paine- ... nuary.html
Note : the first 747-8F roll-out of 2020 was around 27 January 2020, scheduled delivery in March 2020.



I think you meant L/N 1563, not 1683. L/N 1683 will unfortunately never been built!
Do you have the serial-no. for N626UP?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:02 pm

na wrote:
747classic wrote:
According to Matt Cawby the next 747-8F (L/N 1683, RC689, N626UP) is already out of the FAL (during the night 18/19 January ), so it seems that the assembly rate is already increased a little bit.
See last sentence (typo L/N 1684) : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/01/paine- ... nuary.html
Note : the first 747-8F roll-out of 2020 was around 27 January 2020, scheduled delivery in March 2020.



I think you meant L/N 1563, not 1683. L/N 1683 will unfortunately never been built!
Do you have the serial-no. for N626UP?


L/N 1563 :checkmark:
No serial number has been filed at the FAA registry yet (due government chg :lol: )
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:09 am

L/N 1563, N626UP, first glance at the flight line (Jan 19th 2021), still 11 747-8F's to be assembled.
See Matt Cawby's Paine Field blog of Jan 19th : http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19047r.htm
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:36 am

The serial number for L/N 1563, N626UP has been published in the FAA registry : 65781
See : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... ntrytxt=US
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:07 pm

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The serial number for L/N 1563, N626UP has been published in the FAA registry : 65781
See : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... ntrytxt=US


So Boeing is working backwards! Any sense behind this other than confusing the book keepers?
N621UP is 65785
N622UP is 65784
N623UP is 65783
N625UP is 65782
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:06 pm

I also cannot see any sense in this backward filling up of this UPS serial number block, however out of sequence building is more often noticed.

UPS ordered 14 747-8F aircraft (second batch) and four 767-300F aircraft in February 2018, see : https://www.boeing.com/commercial/custo ... order.page

The order was (most probably) listed by Boeing with serial number block 65774 -65791
However, one of these serial numbers was cancelled in May 2020 (and substituded by L/N 1558 Volga Dnepr NTU , now N624UP)

65774
65775
65776
65777
65778
65779
65780
65781 747-8F L/N 1563 N626UP
65782 747-8F L/N 1562 N625UP
65783 747-8F L/N 1561 N623UP
65784 747-8F L/N 1560 N622UP
65785 747-8F L/N 1559 N621UP
65786
65787 747-8F L/N 1557 N620UP
65788 767-300F L/N1180 N365UP
65789 767-300F L/N1186 N366UP
65790 767-300F L/N1190 N367UP
65791 767-300F L/N1209 N371UP
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:50 am

What is happening with Qatar's 748 VIP that was put on sale (A7-HBJ)? Did Covid-19 force the asking price to an embarassing level? Will Qatar continue to keep in the fleet just because it can afford it? What was the asking price?

On a related BBJ topic how much longer will the Saudi Government NTU 748 VIP shell (N458BJ) sit in Basel(since 2012) ? Just curious. Plenty of Rolls Royces sit on estates around the world undriven and unused without the world missing a beat.
 
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Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:26 pm

N626UP performed her first (B1) flight at Jan 31th with callsign BOE689, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KMWH

N626UP, KPAE. Jan 31th 2021
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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/13 ... 3403957249

Aircraft data : L/N 1563, 747-8F, RC689, UPS #21, serial number 65781, N626UP
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Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:43 am

So first flights for N375UP and N626UP on the same day, pretty neat!
 
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Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:27 am

747classic wrote:
I also cannot see any sense in this backward filling up of this UPS serial number block, however out of sequence building is more often noticed.

UPS ordered 14 747-8F aircraft (second batch) and four 767-300F aircraft in February 2018, see : https://www.boeing.com/commercial/custo ... order.page

The order was (most probably) listed by Boeing with serial number block 65774 -65791
However, one of these serial numbers was cancelled in May 2020 (and substituded by L/N 1558 Volga Dnepr NTU , now N624UP)

65774
65775
65776
65777
65778
65779
65780
65781 747-8F L/N 1563 N626UP
65782 747-8F L/N 1562 N625UP
65783 747-8F L/N 1561 N623UP
65784 747-8F L/N 1560 N622UP
65785 747-8F L/N 1559 N621UP
65786
65787 747-8F L/N 1557 N620UP
65788 767-300F L/N1180 N365UP
65789 767-300F L/N1186 N366UP
65790 767-300F L/N1190 N367UP
65791 767-300F L/N1209 N371UP


Maybe a former NASA-employee used to countdowns is responsible at Boeing! :D
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:39 am

Some first airborne pictures of the B1 flight of N626UP (N5509S) at a rainy KPAE.

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Original uploaded by Chris Lee at twitter, for more pictures see : https://twitter.com/propandkerosene
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:09 am

N626UP was ferried to Portland (PDX) for paint at Feb 5th with callsign BOE689, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N62 ... /KPAE/KPDX

For a video of N626UP, landing at Portland, see : https://twitter.com/KeithPDXAir/status/ ... 7407715329
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:46 pm

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N626UP was ferried to Portland (PDX) for paint at Feb 5th with callsign BOE689, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N62 ... /KPAE/KPDX

For a video of N626UP, landing at Portland, see : https://twitter.com/KeithPDXAir/status/ ... 7407715329


Hi 747classic, thanks for this!
Overall, would it be correct to say that so far this year, the schedule of events with fresh 747-8f frames, is ahead of 2020's schedule, by a couple of weeks?
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:53 pm

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747classic wrote:
N626UP was ferried to Portland (PDX) for paint at Feb 5th with callsign BOE689, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N62 ... /KPAE/KPDX

For a video of N626UP, landing at Portland, see : https://twitter.com/KeithPDXAir/status/ ... 7407715329


Hi 747classic, thanks for this!
Overall, would it be correct to say that so far this year, the schedule of events with fresh 747-8f frames, is ahead of 2020's schedule, by a couple of weeks?


Could be, but I have no info yet about the scheduled N626UP delivery and if the planned delivery of the five (5) UPS 747-8F aircraft in 2021 will be increased and /or will be advanced..
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:25 pm

N626UP, after paint, was ferried back from Portland at February 17th , see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N62 ... /KPDX/KPAE

For a Portland departure video, see : https://twitter.com/KeithPDXAir/status/ ... 7936241668
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:54 pm

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N626UP, after paint, was ferried back from Portland at February 17th , see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N62 ... /KPDX/KPAE

For a Portland departure video, see : https://twitter.com/KeithPDXAir/status/ ... 7936241668

in 2020, the first frame returned from paint on Feb 25.

2021 is for now one week ahead.
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