Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

CX Flyboy · Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:13 am

DHL Air (UK) has started advertising for 777 pilots, saying they will soon be introducing the aircraft type into their fleet.

Anyone have anymore info? Apparently the Air Hong Kong deal has fallen through?

SQ22 · Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:10 pm

CX Flyboy wrote:
DHL Air (UK) has started advertising for 777 pilots, saying they will soon be introducing the aircraft type into their fleet.

Anyone have anymore info? Apparently the Air Hong Kong deal has fallen through?

Here is a link:

B777 Pilot

To avoid deletion please always provide a link to a source when stating facts, thanks.

oldJoe · Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:14 pm

CX Flyboy wrote:
DHL Air (UK) has started advertising for 777 pilots, saying they will soon be introducing the aircraft type into their fleet.

Anyone have anymore info? Apparently the Air Hong Kong deal has fallen through?

The United Kingdom is no longer an EU member and thus DHL Air UK can no longer operate intra-European flights after the transitional arrangement. DHL founds a new airline subsidiary in Austria which will receive all 757 from DHL Air UK, which in return will be expanded into an intercontinental airline with more 767F and 777F. DHL Air UK plans to use the Triple Seven from the beginning of 2022.

source in German only :
https://www.flugrevue.de/zivil/expressfrachter-mit-neuer-rollenverteilung-dhl-gruendet-neue-airline-in-oesterreich/

TC957 · Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:26 pm

Interesting. Presumably the 777F's coming to DHL UK will be from the batch of 8 outstanding orders remaining, but what about the 767F's ? New frame order pending ? Or used frames converted ?

Spacepope · Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:27 pm

TC957 wrote:
Interesting. Presumably the 777F's coming to DHL UK will be from the batch of 8 outstanding orders remaining, but what about the 767F's ? New frame order pending ? Or used frames converted ?

767s are conversions. One is getting ready for delivery now as per skyliner:

Boeing 767 -323(F) 29606 752 G-DHLC DHL Air ferried MLA-TLV 30jul21, N-reg after paint prior delivery ex N399AN

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

OMAAbound · Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:23 pm

Do we know where the 777F's will be coming from? Part of the outstanding 777;s to which DHL have on order still?

Any Speculation or rumors as to which routes they will be covering once they are up and running?

OMAA

Geoff1947 · Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:34 pm

No changes for the 777-300ER in Boeing’s figures, as of the end of July 2021.

838 777-300ERs have been sold.
827 have been delivered.
11 unfilled orders.

Six frames have been built but not delivered ;

LN1641. Listed as an ‘Unidentified’ order. Painted for China Southern and stored at Victorville.
LN1654. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot, in storage at Victorville for a second time.
LN1683. Ordered by BOC , has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Victorville.
LN1687. Ordered by BOC, has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Everett.
LN1690. Ordered by BOC, has its tail painted white and is stored at Everett.
LN1695. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot. Stored at Everett. Probably the last 777-300ER to be built.

According to this source only LN1654 flew in July when it transferred back to Victorville.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... D-eD0/edit

Five frames on order for Pakistan International are not expected to be built.

Cheers

Geoff

RobK · Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:05 pm

AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

Geoff1947 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:22 am

RobK wrote:
AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

Where did it land ? Has it entered service with Aeroflot ?

Geoff

TC957 · Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:51 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
RobK wrote:
AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

Where did it land ? Has it entered service with Aeroflot ?

Geoff

Looking at FR24, it went to base at SVO and entered service yesterday on domestic runs to SIP & KHV.

ben7x · Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:56 pm

RobK wrote:
AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

There is another thread where one can see the new interior of the aircraft. Looks pretty nice.

Cardude2 · Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:36 pm

ben7x wrote:
RobK wrote:
AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

There is another thread where one can see the new interior of the aircraft. Looks pretty nice.

Can you please link it?

ben7x · Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:19 am

Cardude2 wrote:
ben7x wrote:
RobK wrote:
AFL VQ-BFN finally on the move from HKG. Heading north through China at the moment.

There is another thread where one can see the new interior of the aircraft. Looks pretty nice.

Can you please link it?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1463927&p=22922471&hilit=Aeroflot+Boeing+777#p22922471
Here you go.

Geoff1947 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:55 am

Looks like LN1654 was flown from Victorville to Everett on the 23rd, presumably delivery to Aeroflot will be soon.

Geoff

Geoff1947 · Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:38 pm

Two 777-300ERs in Aeroflot colours showing in this shot.

http://www.paineairport.com/images/fl20210827.jpg

Geoff

RobK · Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:58 pm

VP-BFC due to go out for a spin today - not flown for over 2 months. Delivery for both maybe happening soon ? That would leave the CSN in storage and the 3x BOC/Thais. I wonder if Thai will take them as they seem to be in a terrible financial mess again.

Polot · Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:02 pm

RobK wrote:
VP-BFC due to go out for a spin today - not flown for over 2 months. Delivery for both maybe happening soon ?

I would assume so, with Aeroflot putting their delivered-but-stored-at-HKG 77W recently in service.

Geoff1947 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:00 am

RobK wrote:
VP-BFC due to go out for a spin today - not flown for over 2 months. Delivery for both maybe happening soon ? That would leave the CSN in storage and the 3x BOC/Thais. I wonder if Thai will take them as they seem to be in a terrible financial mess again.

Likely that BOC are looking for another customer?

Geoff

747classic · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:37 am

RobK wrote:
VP-BFC due to go out for a spin today - not flown for over 2 months. Delivery for both maybe happening soon ? That would leave the CSN in storage and the 3x BOC/Thais. I wonder if Thai will take them as they seem to be in a terrible financial mess again.

See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VPB ... /KPAE/KPAE

VP-BFC, KPAE, August 31th 2021

Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/14 ... 2768434179

747classic · Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:26 am

Some updates :

L/N 1700 C/N 66863 B777F D-AALT DHL/AEROLOGIC (WF279) has been delivered to Leipzig at August 27th 2021, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAA ... /KPAE/EDDP

L/N 1701 C/N 40679 B777F N873FD FEDERAL EXPRESS (WF302) has been delivered to Memphis at August 30th 2021, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N87 ... /KPAE/KMEM

L/N 1702 C/N 66257 B777F N847FD FEDERAL EXPRESS (WF303) performed her first (B1) flight at September 03th 2021, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N84 ... /KPAE/KMWH

N847FD "Anya", KPAE, second test flight, September 03th 2021

Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/14 ... 2116797441

747classic · Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:40 am

Matt Cawby posted a picture of Lufthansa Cargo D-ALFK in his September 7th Paine Field blog, see : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/09/paine- ... ber-7.html

Could this be L/N 1703, previous earmarked to be going to China Cargo Airlines (WF336) ?

ben7x · Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:34 pm

747classic wrote:
Matt Cawby posted a picture of Lufthansa Cargo D-ALFK in his September 7th Paine Field blog, see : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/09/paine- ... ber-7.html

Could this be L/N 1703, previous earmarked to be going to China Cargo Airlines (WF336) ?

Seems to be named Merhaba Egypt like a former MD11.
Edit: When is delivery planned?

TC957 · Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:51 pm

RobK wrote:
Confirmation was posted months ago.

If D-AFLK is l/n1703 then RobK's " confirmation " isn't correct !

TC957 · Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:52 pm

* D-ALFK *...oops...

Slug71 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:44 am

So how many 777 remain? Can't be many.

Cardude2 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:28 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
No changes for the 777-300ER in Boeing’s figures, as of the end of July 2021.

838 777-300ERs have been sold.
827 have been delivered.
11 unfilled orders.

Six frames have been built but not delivered ;

LN1641. Listed as an ‘Unidentified’ order. Painted for China Southern and stored at Victorville.
LN1654. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot, in storage at Victorville for a second time.
LN1683. Ordered by BOC , has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Victorville.
LN1687. Ordered by BOC, has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Everett.
LN1690. Ordered by BOC, has its tail painted white and is stored at Everett.
LN1695. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot. Stored at Everett. Probably the last 777-300ER to be built.

According to this source only LN1654 flew in July when it transferred back to Victorville.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... D-eD0/edit

Five frames on order for Pakistan International are not expected to be built.

Cheers

Geoff

@Slug71 does this answer your question?

Momo1435 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Boeing booked 2 new 777F orders in August.

One big one from an unidentified customer for 10, and also Fedex ordered 1 more.

Boeing received 30 new orders for the 777F this year so far, bringing the current 777F backlog to 61.

Sooner787 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:58 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Boeing booked 2 new 777F orders in August.

One big one from an unidentified customer for 10, and also Fedex ordered 1 more.

Boeing received 30 new orders for the 777F this year so far, bringing the current 777F backlog to 61.

Hmmm that UFO order for 10 is intriguing.

Perhaps UPS has decided the time has come to replace their MD-11's ?

travaz · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:54 pm

I have NO inside information but my gut says Atlas Air for thier lease operation. Just a WAG.

The777Man · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:02 pm

travaz wrote:
I have NO inside information but my gut says Atlas Air for thier lease operation. Just a WAG.

I think it may be China Airlines (CI) or Singapore Airlines (SQ). They both have many 747-400Fs that needs to be replaced eventually. J

Just a wild guess as well

The777Man

Geoff1947 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:43 pm

Again no changes for the 777-300ER in Boeing’s monthly figures, as of the end of August 2021.

838 777-300ERs have been sold.
827 have been delivered.
11 are unfilled orders of which the 5 for Pakistan International are not expected to be built.

These six frames have been built but not delivered ;

LN1641. Listed as an ‘Unidentified’ order. Painted for China Southern and stored at Victorville.
LN1654. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot, has flown to Everett from Victorville for a second time.
LN1683. Ordered by BOC , has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Victorville.
LN1687. Ordered by BOC, has been built and painted for Thai Airways and stored at Everett.
LN1690. Ordered by BOC, has its tail painted white and is stored at Everett.
LN1695. Ordered and painted for Aeroflot. Stored at Everett. Probably the last 777-300ER to be built.

According to this source both LN1654 and LN1695 flew once in August.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... D-eD0/edit

Cheers

Geoff

ben7x · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:32 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Boeing booked 2 new 777F orders in August.

One big one from an unidentified customer for 10, and also Fedex ordered 1 more.

Boeing received 30 new orders for the 777F this year so far, bringing the current 777F backlog to 61.

Amazon? Qatar? Or an Asian carrier.

frigatebird · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:01 am

The777Man wrote:
travaz wrote:
I have NO inside information but my gut says Atlas Air for thier lease operation. Just a WAG.

I think it may be China Airlines (CI) or Singapore Airlines (SQ). They both have many 747-400Fs that needs to be replaced eventually. J

Just a wild guess as well

The777Man

True they have some 744F which could need replacement but I'm thinking SQ and CI are prime candidates for the A350F.

I'll throw in DHL, they appear to like the 777F a lot.

bigb · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:53 am

travaz wrote:
I have NO inside information but my gut says Atlas Air for thier lease operation. Just a WAG.

With the Arbitration finished on Friday, which was the first domino to fall. Yesterday morning DHL extended Atlas contracted flying. That was domino two that fell. Domino three will be Atlas/Southern Air SOC in November. My theory has been that Atlas will attempt a 777 expansion once the CBA was arbitrated and SOC is completed.

So this wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

RoyalBrunei757 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:25 am

The777Man wrote:
travaz wrote:
I have NO inside information but my gut says Atlas Air for thier lease operation. Just a WAG.

I think it may be China Airlines (CI) or Singapore Airlines (SQ). They both have many 747-400Fs that needs to be replaced eventually. J

Just a wild guess as well

The777Man

I don't think SQ plays "unidentified" game, the local regulators and SGX will require listed company to reveal their their material procurement.

Cardude2 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:28 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Boeing booked 2 new 777F orders in August.

One big one from an unidentified customer for 10, and also Fedex ordered 1 more.

Boeing received 30 new orders for the 777F this year so far, bringing the current 777F backlog to 61.

Hmmm that UFO order for 10 is intriguing.

Perhaps UPS has decided the time has come to replace their MD-11's ?

I can 90% guarantee it's not ups. They do want to replace all of their MD-11's but right now they're looking at the 777xf and a350-900 cargo. Not at the 777f

trex8 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:48 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Boeing booked 2 new 777F orders in August.

One big one from an unidentified customer for 10, and also Fedex ordered 1 more.

Boeing received 30 new orders for the 777F this year so far, bringing the current 777F backlog to 61.

Never heard of SQ and CI doing unidentified orders, also numbers likely too big for SQ (they only have 7 744Fs and there's been talk for a long time of them cutting freighters back further). CI numbers still wouldnt quite replace their 744Fs. As someone else mentioned both would be prime A350F customers.
Maybe the 10 is for a lessor?

RoyalBrunei757 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:28 am

I think we might have an answer now:

CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... at-launch/ (behind paywall)

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma- ... 1h0zHvWB8g

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ocean ... cargo-unit

They have advertised for B777 Captains six days ago: https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-c ... go-france/

frigatebird · Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:10 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
I think we might have an answer now:

CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... at-launch/ (behind paywall)

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma- ... 1h0zHvWB8g

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ocean ... cargo-unit

They have advertised for B777 Captains six days ago: https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-c ... go-france/

Oh wow, didn't see that one coming. But with operations starting in January 2022, I guess they will be taking some used (leased?) 777F first?

747classic · Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:17 am

frigatebird wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
I think we might have an answer now:

CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... at-launch/ (behind paywall)

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma- ... 1h0zHvWB8g

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ocean ... cargo-unit

They have advertised for B777 Captains six days ago: https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-c ... go-france/

Oh wow, didn't see that one coming. But with operations starting in January 2022, I guess they will be taking some used (leased?) 777F first?

Boeing must be able to deliver 777F aircraft at short notice, because the current output of the 777 FAL contains only one 777 sub- type : 777F

The last 777-9 scheduled at this moment was L/N 1688, after L/N 1695, the last 777-300ER, only 777F aircraft are scheduled for assembly, until 777-9 assembly will pick-up again in a later stage.

747classic · Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:52 am

FedEx N847FD delivery flight to Memphis at September 17th 2021 with callsign FX9045, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N84 ... /KPAE/KMEM

Aircraft data : L/N 1702 C/N 66257 B777F N847FD FEDERAL EXPRESS (WF303)

ben7x · Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:05 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
I think we might have an answer now:

CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... at-launch/ (behind paywall)

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma- ... 1h0zHvWB8g

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ocean ... cargo-unit

They have advertised for B777 Captains six days ago: https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-c ... go-france/

Is it official now that they ordered the frames or is the order still unidentified?

MEA-707 · Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:16 pm

ben7x wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
I think we might have an answer now:

CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/busines ... at-launch/ (behind paywall)

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma- ... 1h0zHvWB8g

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ocean ... cargo-unit

They have advertised for B777 Captains six days ago: https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-c ... go-france/

Is it official now that they ordered the frames or is the order still unidentified?

It's still a rumour. TBH I actually expect CMA CGM to use 2nd hand 777s/convertibles instead. If they order now, it will take Boeing at least 18 months to build them. My guess would still go to something like FedEx, Aerologic-DHL or Atlant-Soyuz/Air Bridge.

747classic · Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:56 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
It's still a rumour. TBH I actually expect CMA CGM to use 2nd hand 777s/convertibles instead. If they order now, it will take Boeing at least 18 months to build them. My guess would still go to something like FedEx, Aerologic-DHL or Atlant-Soyuz/Air Bridge.

In the past (pre digital age), the time between an order and delivery for a widebody was indeed 18 months or even longer.
In the present situation,with the 777-9 production on hold and with only one subtype (777F) in production, without the many different cabin layouts of the passenger 777's, the lead time for a 777 freighter will be far shorter, you only have to select your desired loading system (or even better : take the standard option)

ben7x · Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:37 pm

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747classic wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
It's still a rumour. TBH I actually expect CMA CGM to use 2nd hand 777s/convertibles instead. If they order now, it will take Boeing at least 18 months to build them. My guess would still go to something like FedEx, Aerologic-DHL or Atlant-Soyuz/Air Bridge.

In the past (pre digital age), the time between an order and delivery for a widebody was indeed 18 months or even longer.
In the present situation,with the 777-9 production on hold and with only one subtype (777F) in production, without the many different cabin layouts of the passenger 777's, the lead time for a 777 freighter will be far shorter, you only have to select your desired loading system (or even better : take the standard option)

That’s interesting to know, thanks.
IIRC LH Cargo also ordered their frame just a few months ago and now it’s already painted, so it seems possible.

747classic · Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:27 pm

Lufthansa Cargo D-ALFK, Customer acceptance flight, KPAE, September 22th 2021.

Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/14 ... 1358196741

Aircraft data : L/N 1703 C/N 67146 B777F D-ALFK LUFTHANSA CARGO (WF336)

Cardude2 · Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:11 pm

That is soon going to retire the last MD-11 in their fleet, sad.

747classic · Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:50 am

D-ALFK, delivery flight towards Frankfurt (EDDF/FRA) with callsign GEC8145 at September 28th : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KPAE/EDDF

D-ALFK, KPAE, Sept 28th 2021

Original uploaded by Chris Lee at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/propandkerosene/sta ... 4895073300

RoyalBrunei757 · Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:13 pm

Awesome photo!

Curious to know if there is any difference in term of techical spec between LH factory built B772F and the ex-EK Cargo D-ALFJ?

747classic · Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:03 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Awesome photo!

Curious to know if there is any difference in term of techical spec between LH factory built B772F and the ex-EK Cargo D-ALFJ?

All 777F's are pretty standard, only the lay-out of the pantry and supernumerary seats are TBD by the customer, before delivery from the factory.
The largest differences are the cargo loading system installed (you can use the default Boeing supplied standard system or a BFE = buyer furnished system).
Most probably major and operational important differences will be rectified in the upcoming HMV of D-ALFJ and standarized to the Lufthansa installed systems.
But remember it's a leased aircraft and all changes must be in concert with the lessor (DAE)

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