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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

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How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?
 
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Latest movement for 27 May 2021:

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:43 pm

Egypt Air has leased two of their former "white tail" AirSinai A220-300 to Ibon Air in Nigeria, both are already delivered, the second was delivered yesterday. These were SU-GFA and SU-GFD.
https://twitter.com/PrinceAzubuike1/status/1404519624138530819
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:15 pm

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Egypt Air has leased two of their former "white tail" AirSinai A220-300 to Ibon Air in Nigeria, both are already delivered, the second was delivered yesterday. These were SU-GFA and SU-GFD.
https://twitter.com/PrinceAzubuike1/status/1404519624138530819

I happened to notice both depart Lagos yesterday within 6 minutes of each other with no flight details. It looks like they were flying to Calabar. I thought at first they may have been leased to Green Africa though a look at the Green Africa website shows they have launched with ATRs. Any news if Green Africa is still puruing A220s?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:16 pm

VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:41 am

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all operating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) operators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber

4 major customers.....are you inferring....."We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all operating the A220 in 2021"

Or were you including other current major customers in the 4 such as Swiss and Air Canada? Is Breeze more 'major' than Air Baltic?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:34 am

yyztpa wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Egypt Air has leased two of their former "white tail" AirSinai A220-300 to Ibon Air in Nigeria, both are already delivered, the second was delivered yesterday. These were SU-GFA and SU-GFD.
https://twitter.com/PrinceAzubuike1/status/1404519624138530819

I happened to notice both depart Lagos yesterday within 6 minutes of each other with no flight details. It looks like they were flying to Calabar. I thought at first they may have been leased to Green Africa though a look at the Green Africa website shows they have launched with ATRs. Any news if Green Africa is still puruing A220s?

Yes, they are still planning to introduce A220-300 with MOU signed on 13th February 2021. However the plan has been pushed back as some investors have withdrawn their investment due to COVID19 aftermath uncertainty, therefore they are starting with smaller scale with ATR 72 at the moment.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/green-a ... ons-atr72/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:55 am

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:34 pm

VV wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:38 pm

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VV wrote:
....

That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

Lightsaber


Thanks for the information, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:24 pm

VV wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
....

That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

Lightsaber


Thanks for the information, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Unlike for A320 family, A330 and A350 which Airbus set clear target, Airbus has not explicitly states how many A220 they actually want to deliver in 2021, just merely mentioned in 2021 they will increase the production to 5 per month. You may refer to link here: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

I guess Airbus does not want to count the chicks before the eggs hatch. You may take a rough guess 12 x 5= 60. Plus/minus 10%= approximately 54 for 2021? Possible number to achieve tbh.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:07 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
VV wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

Lightsaber


Thanks for the information, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Unlike for A320 family, A330 and A350 which Airbus set clear target, Airbus has not explicitly states how many A220 they actually want to deliver in 2021, just merely mentioned in 2021 they will increase the production to 5 per month. You may refer to link here: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

I guess Airbus does not want to count the chicks before the eggs hatch. You may take a rough guess 12 x 5= 60. Plus/minus 10%= approximately 54 for 2021? Possible number to achieve tbh.

I find it interesting Airbus doesn't state planned 2021 deliveries. I wonder how much is leasing company uncertainty? However ALC has placed 15.
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

When that article was more accessible, I recall reading all 2021 and 2022 ALC deliveries were placed.

I imagine there is high uncertainty in deliveries. If ALC extends options, I could imagine a few more deliveries in 2021.

I imagine much uncertainty is over how many Two Twenty deliveries in 2021. Low production high end business jets are notorious in delivery delays both on the manufacturing (too limited production to recover from a DR quickly) to picky customers. First delivery winter which might be 2021, more likely 2022 in my opinion:
https://www.acj.airbus.com/en/news-and- ... anada.html

So I could believe 44 to 57 deliveries of the A220, including two twenty, in 2021. Since Airbus won't say, we enthusiasts can only estimate. In 2022 at rate 6 with two twenty, it should be 60 to 70 deliveries.

I am not aware of any other same size or smaller commercial jet family or turboprop expected to be close to that delivery rate in 2021 or 2022.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:34 pm

Speaking of AvWeek and A220, it seems to me Airbus still keeps it at arm's length:

The A220 is the other special case. As a Bombardier product originally, it is completely different from all other Airbus models. That is true not only for product design but also for its industrial setup. Whereas Airbus has historically not outsourced components it considered core to the business, Bombardier gave away more or less the entire aircraft to suppliers, largely keeping only core development, design, marketing and sales plus final assembly in-house.

That approach, including unfavorable supplier contracts, has been one of the key issues causing the program’s high cost of production—and continues to be a problem for Airbus as its new owner. Taking more work in-house could be a logical step, also aligning the A220 more with the general production philosophy. But Schoellhorn says that is not the plan. “At the moment, the focus is on profitability, not changing the degree of vertical production depth,” he says. There are several reasons for that approach: First, management can handle only so much at any given time. Second, he says, “We don’t know yet what design changes will come. When they do, we could then change the production footprint.

Although Schoellhorn does not specify the potential changes, it is no secret that Airbus has the designs ready for a further stretch of the fuselage to offer the A220-500, an aircraft that could contain more than 150 seats in a legacy airline layout and compete directly with the 737-8 (and the A320neo). Its introduction could be years away, in part because of the profitability issues as well as the threat of cannibalizing the only profitable Airbus program. It is still an important piece in the strategy toolbox, and many believe the launch is a question of when, not if.

Ref: https://aviationweek.com/forum/aerospac ... esses-2025

Overall it's a very interesting article, it goes through the entire Airbus portfolio, and still free with email registration.

Earlier interviews seemed to suggest A220 was making some progress on cost reduction efforts, the more recent ones don't seem to suggest this at all.
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:26 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
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VV wrote:
Thanks for the information, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Unlike for A320 family, A330 and A350 which Airbus set clear target, Airbus has not explicitly states how many A220 they actually want to deliver in 2021, just merely mentioned in 2021 they will increase the production to 5 per month. You may refer to link here: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

I guess Airbus does not want to count the chicks before the eggs hatch. You may take a rough guess 12 x 5= 60. Plus/minus 10%= approximately 54 for 2021? Possible number to achieve tbh.


Okay.
So there has not been a target that was publicly announced. It's fine for me.

I was just trying to estimate if Airbus Canada would have yet another budget deficit.
If there is not any target announced then they might have built the budget to match whatever internal target they had.

Thanks.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:37 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


The only issue with your comparison of the E2 with 717 is that the E2 is part of the E-Jets family, which has delivered more than 1500 units in 15 years of service. Although the brand name is E2, the project names are ERJ 190-300 (E190-E2), ERJ 190-400 (E195-E2) and ERJ 190-500 (E175-E2). This is a follow on from the ERJ 170-100/200 and ERJ 190-100/200 from the E1 family. Average age for the E1 fleet is 10 years. Therefore, too early to say that E2 has the same fate of 717.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:44 pm

Jungleneer wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


The only issue with your comparison of the E2 with 717 is that the E2 is part of the E-Jets family, which has delivered more than 1500 units in 15 years of service. Although the brand name is E2, the project names are ERJ 190-300 (E190-E2), ERJ 190-400 (E195-E2) and ERJ 190-500 (E175-E2). This is a follow on from the ERJ 170-100/200 and ERJ 190-100/200 from the E1 family. Average age for the E1 fleet is 10 years. Therefore, too early to say that E2 has the same fate of 717.

And 717 is a part of the family of DC-9, MD-8X and MD-90 (heck, 717 was born as MD-95).
your point being?
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:00 pm

Jungleneer wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
How many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


The only issue with your comparison of the E2 with 717 is that the E2 is part of the E-Jets family, which has delivered more than 1500 units in 15 years of service. Although the brand name is E2, the project names are ERJ 190-300 (E190-E2), ERJ 190-400 (E195-E2) and ERJ 190-500 (E175-E2). This is a follow on from the ERJ 170-100/200 and ERJ 190-100/200 from the E1 family. Average age for the E1 fleet is 10 years. Therefore, too early to say that E2 has the same fate of 717.

You just made my comparison clearer. The 717 was related to the MD-80/90/DC-9 too, in greater quantity.
Anyway, we are going off topic. I am of the opinion my analogy is appropriate.

As this is an A220 delivery thread, I will iterate that the good sales by Bombardier/Airbus to Delta/Swiss/AirBaltic/AirFrance/JetBlue/Breeze offer good opportunity for top off orders. Plus I really want to know where ALC placed 15 as yet undelivered A220. :hyper:

There are currently 17 airlines opperating the A220 and I was always told the "rule of thumb" is to have a minimum of 20 airlines opperating a type for resale/re-lease. I will be following this thread to celibrate that milestone late this year.

The other threshold is 400+ of a type to ensure good parts production for maintenance. It can be done with less when related aircraft provide parts volume (see 717 or pretty much any Cessna). It is now a question of when that milestone is acheived, not if.

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:21 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Jungleneer wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


The only issue with your comparison of the E2 with 717 is that the E2 is part of the E-Jets family, which has delivered more than 1500 units in 15 years of service. Although the brand name is E2, the project names are ERJ 190-300 (E190-E2), ERJ 190-400 (E195-E2) and ERJ 190-500 (E175-E2). This is a follow on from the ERJ 170-100/200 and ERJ 190-100/200 from the E1 family. Average age for the E1 fleet is 10 years. Therefore, too early to say that E2 has the same fate of 717.

And 717 is a part of the family of DC-9, MD-8X and MD-90 (heck, 717 was born as MD-95).
your point being?


Did they share the same production line? E2 re-uses the same production line as E1. All subsystems are based on already developed platforms. Economies of scale is already there. But I am going off topic here. Just saying that you might be looking at the wrong side.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:55 pm

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Jungleneer wrote:

The only issue with your comparison of the E2 with 717 is that the E2 is part of the E-Jets family, which has delivered more than 1500 units in 15 years of service. Although the brand name is E2, the project names are ERJ 190-300 (E190-E2), ERJ 190-400 (E195-E2) and ERJ 190-500 (E175-E2). This is a follow on from the ERJ 170-100/200 and ERJ 190-100/200 from the E1 family. Average age for the E1 fleet is 10 years. Therefore, too early to say that E2 has the same fate of 717.

And 717 is a part of the family of DC-9, MD-8X and MD-90 (heck, 717 was born as MD-95).
your point being?


Did they share the same production line? E2 re-uses the same production line as E1. All subsystems are based on already developed platforms. Economies of scale is already there. But I am going off topic here. Just saying that you might be looking at the wrong side.

Very same production line for Md-80/90/717, same Long Beach building upgraded from the DC-9 line just as the E-jet line was upgraded too. Some improved subsystems shared with other frames in the 717, some legacy in the 717 which gave the 717 economics of scale until coronavirus. But going off thread.

Since this is an A220 delivery thread, I am in particular excited for Breeze, AirFrance and all the upcoming ALC deliveries to airlines I don't know who they are, but are placed well enough they are negotiating options. Production rate 5 might not seem like much but it helps. The line going to 6/month next year is nice as this is getting through vendor thresholds.

I believe the 14/month is likely later this decade. But that goes into a sales campaigns thread and while there was campaigns threads before, I think premature on the A220 until a major airshow is scheduled. I wish there was an airshow this summer...

Does anyone know a more complete list of airlines we can anticipate A220 deliveries to?

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:29 pm

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Jungleneer wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
And 717 is a part of the family of DC-9, MD-8X and MD-90 (heck, 717 was born as MD-95).
your point being?


Did they share the same production line? E2 re-uses the same production line as E1. All subsystems are based on already developed platforms. Economies of scale is already there. But I am going off topic here. Just saying that you might be looking at the wrong side.

Very same production line for Md-80/90/717, same Long Beach building upgraded from the DC-9 line just as the E-jet line was upgraded too. Some improved subsystems shared with other frames in the 717, some legacy in the 717 which gave the 717 economics of scale until coronavirus. But going off thread.

Since this is an A220 delivery thread, I am in particular excited for Breeze, AirFrance and all the upcoming ALC deliveries to airlines I don't know who they are, but are placed well enough they are negotiating options. Production rate 5 might not seem like much but it helps. The line going to 6/month next year is nice as this is getting through vendor thresholds.

I believe the 14/month is likely later this decade. But that goes into a sales campaigns thread and while there was campaigns threads before, I think premature on the A220 until a major airshow is scheduled. I wish there was an airshow this summer...

Does anyone know a more complete list of airlines we can anticipate A220 deliveries to?

Lightsaber


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Peter was diligent with timely updates albut with no reports since May 25, I hope everything is ok with him.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:27 am

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lightsaber wrote:
Jungleneer wrote:

Did they share the same production line? E2 re-uses the same production line as E1. All subsystems are based on already developed platforms. Economies of scale is already there. But I am going off topic here. Just saying that you might be looking at the wrong side.

Very same production line for Md-80/90/717, same Long Beach building upgraded from the DC-9 line just as the E-jet line was upgraded too. Some improved subsystems shared with other frames in the 717, some legacy in the 717 which gave the 717 economics of scale until coronavirus. But going off thread.

Since this is an A220 delivery thread, I am in particular excited for Breeze, AirFrance and all the upcoming ALC deliveries to airlines I don't know who they are, but are placed well enough they are negotiating options. Production rate 5 might not seem like much but it helps. The line going to 6/month next year is nice as this is getting through vendor thresholds.

I believe the 14/month is likely later this decade. But that goes into a sales campaigns thread and while there was campaigns threads before, I think premature on the A220 until a major airshow is scheduled. I wish there was an airshow this summer...

Does anyone know a more complete list of airlines we can anticipate A220 deliveries to?

Lightsaber


I always liked https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
Peter was diligent with timely updates albut with no reports since May 25, I hope everything is ok with him.

Thank you, it looks like Air Austrel and Iraqi Airways will add to Breeze and AirFrance to make 21 operators in 2021. :hyper:

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:31 am

lightsaber wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Very same production line for Md-80/90/717, same Long Beach building upgraded from the DC-9 line just as the E-jet line was upgraded too. Some improved subsystems shared with other frames in the 717, some legacy in the 717 which gave the 717 economics of scale until coronavirus. But going off thread.

Since this is an A220 delivery thread, I am in particular excited for Breeze, AirFrance and all the upcoming ALC deliveries to airlines I don't know who they are, but are placed well enough they are negotiating options. Production rate 5 might not seem like much but it helps. The line going to 6/month next year is nice as this is getting through vendor thresholds.

I believe the 14/month is likely later this decade. But that goes into a sales campaigns thread and while there was campaigns threads before, I think premature on the A220 until a major airshow is scheduled. I wish there was an airshow this summer...

Does anyone know a more complete list of airlines we can anticipate A220 deliveries to?

Lightsaber


I always liked https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
Peter was diligent with timely updates albut with no reports since May 25, I hope everything is ok with him.

Thank you, it looks like Air Austrel and Iraqi Airways will add to Breeze and AirFrance to make 21 operators in 2021. :hyper:

Lightsaber

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:50 pm

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Lightsaber

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?[/quote]

Bummer, I was hoping to see the Austral ATR and 738 in the distant future should I have money to go airplane spotting in Reunion. Soon those will be gone. I liked the real photos used on the tails instead of the drawings they use now on their 787's and A220. So Austral's future fleet will consist of the 77W, 788 and A220? Or are there plans to replace their 77W and 788 with the A330NEO or A350-900/-1000?

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:04 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'm not sure of the total, but JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance will all start accepting deliveries. This is the year that the A220 grows to 4 major customers! :hyper:


https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a22 ... mber-2021/

We do know production rate was increased for the A220 early for 2021 to 5 per month:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html

Not to mention the Two Twenty will clear the backlog of A220-100. :spin:

We will have Delta, JetBlue, Breeze and AirFrance all opperating the A220 in 2021. Dispatch reliability is excellent. The A220 future looks bright.

I like to compare to the 717 and E2. Both are dependent upon one major customer. For the 717 that was AirTran, then Southwest, then Delta. Now that Delta is planning to retire the type, it is done.

For the E2, they are dependent upon Azul for economy of scale.

Because the A220 will have 4 large (ish) opperators early enough, we can expect more buyers once aviation recovers from Covid19 in a few years. At that point debugged and ready for more deliveries.

I cannot wait for September/October deliveries if the A220 due to new customers. 161 active (154 at customers) per Airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

We go off thread, but I expect a few of the sales campaigns to restart, but I don't think any rush to order before 2023. But with the already listed airlines accepting and ALC considering excercising options (25 on the A220), a bright future:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 20-options

I personally will be shocked if Delta, JetBlue, Breeze, and AirFrance do not top off orders and thus accept more deliveries. That production rate increase always skews towards end of the year, perfect for new customers accepting the A220.

Lightsaber


That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

Lightsaber


Is there really room in the market for 14/mo mid-decade without the 225?
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:12 pm

TObound wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:

That's absolutely fascinating, but how many aircraft do they plan to deliver in 2021?

Good news, I missed the announcement of a ramp to 6/month!
https://www.compositesworld.com/news/ai ... ion-plans-

A220 Family: Currently at around rate five aircraft per month from Mirabel, Quebec and Mobile, Alabama locations, the rate is confirmed to rise to around six in early 2022. Airbus is also envisaging a monthly production rate of 14 by the middle of the decade.


Airbus delivered in May at production rate, so we can expect deliveries at about production rate with say a 2 month lag, in my opinion.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

So I would expect 44+ deliveries in 2021, but that is just my estimate. 2022 with production rate 6 will be much more exciting for the A220.

Lightsaber


Is there really room in the market for 14/mo mid-decade without the 225?

In my opinion, yes.

There were 1486 A319CEOs. Some fraction of that market will continue:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family

There was also 1128 73G
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_ ... Generation

Plus 717, A318, 736.

I foresee 2000 to 4000 A220 deliveries. Possibly more if Neeleman gets the 4000nm range Breeze is asking for:
https://worldofaviation.com/2021/05/bre ... -increase/

A little weight loss, a little MTOW increase and then, even at Breeze density/fittings, an ACT taking the range further out IIRC, KE wanted that sort of range too.

If anything, a higher rate will be needed. Optimize Mobile for a little more and Mirabel, and rate 18 to 20 should be possible. I cannot envision a higher future rate due to competition.

The A225 doubles the numbers.
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 am

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RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?

A388 wrote:
Bummer, I was hoping to see the Austral ATR and 738 in the distant future should I have money to go airplane spotting in Reunion. Soon those will be gone. I liked the real photos used on the tails instead of the drawings they use now on their 787's and A220. So Austral's future fleet will consist of the 77W, 788 and A220? Or are there plans to replace their 77W and 788 with the A330NEO or A350-900/-1000?

Well, a tad bit good news, the A220 delivery has been delayed due to financing issue but not sure for how long. UU is waiting for Euro 35million state backed loan, promised by France before they will take delivery. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airf ... SKBN2BU25N)

More details behind paywall:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... -financing
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... guarantees

I have not heard of their long haul plan, it was a while ago when they were rumoured to be offloading their 787 for some unknown reason, with pandemic I guess they are coming in handy for flying cargo. Their B77W are quite young. Out of three: two are under 5 years old, the other is 10 years old, we might not see urgent replacement soon. Perhaps we will see more 787 and offloading the high density 77W. UU has been a Boeing operator for some time, until they placed the A220 order, so A330neo/A350-1000 may not be in their equation. However stranger things have happened, good to watch out this space.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:04 am

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I have not heard of their long haul plan, it was a while ago when they were rumoured to be offloading their 787 for some unknown reason, with pandemic I guess they are coming in handy for flying cargo. Their B77W are quite young. Out of three: two are under 5 years old, the other is 10 years old, we might not see urgent replacement soon. Perhaps we will see more 787 and offloading the high density 77W. UU has been a Boeing operator for some time, until they placed the A220 order, so A330neo/A350-1000 may not be in their equation. However stranger things have happened, good to watch out this space.


Don't quote me on this, I really don't remember when or where I read it but I believe it was a mix of problems with the fan blade problems+their frames being terrible teens which caused so much headaches for them that they ended up just giving up.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:40 am

I thought the A220 for Air Austral are replacements for the 738 only.
But is it a replacement for the ATR too ?

Is the A220 capable to land and take-off from ZSE airport (St Pierre in Réunion island). The only route from this airport is ZSE-MRU (no flight as of today, probably due to the covid).
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:59 am

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I thought the A220 for Air Austral are replacements for the 738 only.
But is it a replacement for the ATR too ?

Is the A220 capable to land and take-off from ZSE airport (St Pierre in Réunion island). The only route from this airport is ZSE-MRU (no flight as of today, probably due to the covid).

ZSA has a 2100 meter long runway! Not a challenge for the A220
The A220 in dry conditions needs 1890 meters at MTOW, so in cross winds, weather, and a wet runway I estimate (I don't have the full charts on the A220) there would be some range penalty from ZSE, but not much in the worst conditions. On most days, the A220 could fly a full range mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierrefonds_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A2 ... ifications

I saw the SpaceJet as more the replacement for the ATR, but that didn't happen. So could an airline replace ATRs, in particular with reduced frequency service? Yes.

It is great news their A220 delivery is imminent. This will allow them to consolidate on one type and open up more routes (lower cost and a little more range than the 738).

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Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:11 am

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Egypt Air has leased two of their former "white tail" AirSinai A220-300 to Ibon Air in Nigeria, both are already delivered, the second was delivered yesterday. These were SU-GFA and SU-GFD.
https://twitter.com/PrinceAzubuike1/status/1404519624138530819

I happened to notice both depart Lagos yesterday within 6 minutes of each other with no flight details. It looks like they were flying to Calabar. I thought at first they may have been leased to Green Africa though a look at the Green Africa website shows they have launched with ATRs. Any news if Green Africa is still puruing A220s?



They went to Uyo. They will be flying for Ibom Air

https://www.ibomair.com/ibom-air-welcom ... st-africa/
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:53 am

2 delivered this weekend

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Airbus Canada A220 -300 55121 YL-ABA airBaltic delivery 25jun21 YMX-RIX ex C-FOWQ
Airbus Canada A220 -300 55122 C-GUPG Air Canada delivery 25jun2 YMX-YYZ
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:24 am

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2 delivered this weekend

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Airbus Canada A220 -300 55121 YL-ABA airBaltic delivery 25jun21 YMX-RIX ex C-FOWQ
Airbus Canada A220 -300 55122 C-GUPG Air Canada delivery 25jun2 YMX-YYZ


So, five deliveries in June so far.
Is that right?
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:42 am

nicode wrote:
I thought the A220 for Air Austral are replacements for the 738 only.
But is it a replacement for the ATR too ?

Is the A220 capable to land and take-off from ZSE airport (St Pierre in Réunion island). The only route from this airport is ZSE-MRU (no flight as of today, probably due to the covid).

Pierrefonds was initially a military airfield, attached to the nearby paratroopers base, and shared with an aeroclub and a paraclub.
I still remember when the paratroopers were laying gas lamps all around the runway for night exercices with the C160 transall.
The runway got extended in the 90ies and is 2100m long, so it should be good for a lot of operations with the A220.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:34 pm

Latest deliveries for June 2021:

MSN 55107 Delta Air Lines A223 C-GPRL/N309DU, delivered BFM>MSP. #2 in June...#15 in 2021...#110 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55107

MSN 55119 Air Canada A223 C-GUAC/C-GUAC, delivered from ymx>yyz. #3 in June...#16 in 2021...#111 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55119

MSN 55122 Air Canada A223 C-GUPG/C-GUPG, delivered from YMX>YYZ. #4 in June...#17 in 2021...#112 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55122

MSN 55121 Air Baltic A223 C-FOWQ/YLABA, delivered from YMX>RIX. #5 in June...#18 in 2021...#113 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55121
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:13 pm

Latest delivery for 7 July 2021:

MSN 55123 Air Canada A223 C-GUPK/C-GUPK, delivered from YMX>YYZ. #1 in July...#19 in 2021...#114 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55123
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:10 pm

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Latest delivery for 7 July 2021:

MSN 55123 Air Canada A223 C-GUPK/C-GUPK, delivered from YMX>YYZ. #1 in July...#19 in 2021...#114 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55123


That should make 24 delivered to AC. They've been taking A223 deliveries at a rapid rate. Interesting that they now have just as many A223's as they do B7M8's.
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:34 am

9252fly wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest delivery for 7 July 2021:

MSN 55123 Air Canada A223 C-GUPK/C-GUPK, delivered from YMX>YYZ. #1 in July...#19 in 2021...#114 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55123


That should make 24 delivered to AC. They've been taking A223 deliveries at a rapid rate. Interesting that they now have just as many A223's as they do B7M8's.

AC also returned to service in June two (C-GJXE, C-GJXN) which were stored in PHX since February.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:06 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:

I always liked https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
Peter was diligent with timely updates albut with no reports since May 25, I hope everything is ok with him.

Thank you, it looks like Air Austrel and Iraqi Airways will add to Breeze and AirFrance to make 21 operators in 2021. :hyper:

Lightsaber

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?


here we go MSN 55106 :
https://www.facebook.com/MarkBrandonAviation/photos/a.855841964437354/3911844138837106/
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:22 am

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RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Thank you, it looks like Air Austrel and Iraqi Airways will add to Breeze and AirFrance to make 21 operators in 2021. :hyper:

Lightsaber

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?


here we go MSN 55106 :
https://www.facebook.com/MarkBrandonAviation/photos/a.855841964437354/3911844138837106/

Excellent! Looks good in Air Austral colours!
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:23 am

oldJoe wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Thank you, it looks like Air Austrel and Iraqi Airways will add to Breeze and AirFrance to make 21 operators in 2021. :hyper:

Lightsaber

Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?


here we go MSN 55106 :
https://www.facebook.com/MarkBrandonAviation/photos/a.855841964437354/3911844138837106/

It's July. What is that fluffy white stuff on the roof? :)
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:24 am

lightsaber wrote ;
... I recall reading all 2021 and 2022 ALC deliveries were placed

Sad but they told in February this year the firs delivery takes place in 2022.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4408112-air-lease-corporations-al-ceo-john-plueger-on-q4-2020-results-earnings-call-transcript

"Our first deliveries are not going to be until the latter part of next year and then it starts out very modestly"


lightsaber wrote :
...a little MTOW increase ..

Coming this year !
https://leehamnews.com/2021/06/15/airbus-commercial-programs-update/

The A220-300 has a Maximum TakeOff Weight (MTOW) increase to 70.9t later this year, increasing the nominal range to 3,550nm.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:29 am

yyztpa wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Great to see new A220 operators! First two A220s Air Austral are ready for delivery and will replace its ATR 72 and B737 fleet. Iraqi Airways has confirmed earlier in April 2021 they will be taking their A220s by year end. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-in-4q21 However I am concerned though, I have not seen any photo yet for the airframe. Anyone has any to share?


here we go MSN 55106 :
https://www.facebook.com/MarkBrandonAviation/photos/a.855841964437354/3911844138837106/

It's July. What is that fluffy white stuff on the roof? :)


Photo is from January 18th
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:38 am

oldJoe wrote:
yyztpa wrote:
oldJoe wrote:

It's July. What is that fluffy white stuff on the roof? :)


Photo is from January 18th

Yes... I was pointing out 'tongue-in-cheek' that the plane has been waiting for delivery for some time. That picture has been posted on the Aibfamily site for many months.

Hopefully Air Austral receives funding soon and can accept their orders.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:57 pm

Latest delivery for 20 July 2021:

MSN 55113 JetBlue Airways A223 C-GPOM/N3058J, delivered from BFM>VQQ. #2 in July...#20 in 2021...#115 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55113
 
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Any update on Air France's first A220 ?

Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:17 pm

The first aircraft is due to arrive in September as per the announcement.

Any pictures of the (partly painted) frame or any updates on its production status?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:41 pm

As posted in the Sales and Orders thread, Air France published a news release with accompanying paint shop video for their first A220. Story idicates delivery for the end of September with proving flights for a month or so thereafter.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... irbus-a220

From the now dated ABCDlists, this should be the YMX firing order over the next few months with the first Air France shown and followed by the second of Air Tanzania's top off order and the first for Iraqi. (gaps/blanks are BFM prodiced for US market).
AirBaltic is to take 5 before the Air France delivery with 55126 and 55127 recently in test.

55126 A220-300 airBaltic
55127 A220-300 airBaltic

55129 A220-300 airBaltic
55130 A220-300 Air Tanzania
55131 A220-300 airBaltic

55133 A220-300 airBaltic
55134 A220-300 Air France
55135 A220-300 Air Tanzania
55136 A220-300 Iraqi Airways
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:24 am

Azimuth agreement is A220's first from Russia since local certification

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... RO4X-lmW0s

Glad to see it is now certifed by Russia aviaiton authority. Hopefully we will see more sales soon. Some uphill tasks for Airbus though as the federal government s pushing hard on their local products SSJ 100, MC-21 etc.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:04 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Azimuth agreement is A220's first from Russia since local certification
Glad to see it is now certifed by Russia aviaiton authority.


Searching the internet, it seems authority was quietly granted in December of 2020. I'm surprised this kept under the radar for so long.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:24 pm

Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

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