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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:05 pm

It says here Air Austral should be having this one (and two additional ones) at Réunion Island on August 12th.

So 3 X A223 on location on August 12th. (So they got the financing - great news).

https://www.zinfos974.com/Air-Austral-r ... 71741.html
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:07 pm

EASA approves an increase in the maximum number of passengers the A220-300 can carry, clearing the way for delivery to Air France, which will configure the aircraft with 148 seats.

The aircraft had previously been limited to 145 seats. The new limit, with one over-wing exit enabled, is 149 passengers. Transport Canada have previously certified the aircraft for 149 passengers.

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 76.article
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:11 pm

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Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

Hasn't yet made Airfleets (they lag):
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

So Air Austrel is operator #10
AirFrance #11
Iraqi Airways could be#12 (I expect delays)
Breeze looks to be #13...

With the ALC airlines, we'll be over 20 operators which will give confidence in the market soon.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 pm

lightsaber wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

Hasn't yet made Airfleets (they lag):
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

So Air Austrel is operator #10
AirFrance #11
Iraqi Airways could be#12 (I expect delays)
Breeze looks to be #13...

With the ALC airlines, we'll be over 20 operators which will give confidence in the market soon.

Lightsaber


You forgot about Ibom Air which since June 13th 2021 operates two A220-300
https://www.ibomair.com/ibom-air-welcomes-the-1st-set-of-a220-aircraft-to-nigeria-west-africa/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:23 pm

oldJoe wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

Hasn't yet made Airfleets (they lag):
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

So Air Austrel is operator #10
AirFrance #11
Iraqi Airways could be#12 (I expect delays)
Breeze looks to be #13...

With the ALC airlines, we'll be over 20 operators which will give confidence in the market soon.

Lightsaber


You forgot about Ibom Air which since June 13th 2021 operates two A220-300
https://www.ibomair.com/ibom-air-welcomes-the-1st-set-of-a220-aircraft-to-nigeria-west-africa/

Good point, at #10 operator already. So Air Austrel is #11, Iraqi #12, AF #13, Breeze #14. :spin:

Unfortunately, we are still at the point where a few deliveries of the A220 impact support economics. At rate 6 next year, we break out of that issue in 2023.

The A220 has out delivered the 717. But the 717 had the advantage that business jets kept up engine spare parts. While I personally think the G500/600 and 6X will do well, this time the will trail the passenger jet and the A220 engines must support themselves for years to come before the ecosystem builds up (I believe it will).

The fact we now have a double digit number of opperators is great. I've always heard of a minimum of 20 opperators for a liquid secondary market; look at 739 resale for an example of a poor liquidity secondary market (single digit quantity of opperators) vs. 738. I have always heard you want to sell 400 plus aircraft to ensure 300+ are opperating so that every year there is demand for 25 (or more) of every part to keep up support.

The A220 is progressing up through those milestones.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:18 pm

lightsaber wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Hasn't yet made Airfleets (they lag):
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

So Air Austrel is operator #10
AirFrance #11
Iraqi Airways could be#12 (I expect delays)
Breeze looks to be #13...

With the ALC airlines, we'll be over 20 operators which will give confidence in the market soon.

Lightsaber


You forgot about Ibom Air which since June 13th 2021 operates two A220-300
https://www.ibomair.com/ibom-air-welcomes-the-1st-set-of-a220-aircraft-to-nigeria-west-africa/

Good point, at #10 operator already. So Air Austrel is #11, Iraqi #12, AF #13, Breeze #14. :spin:

Unfortunately, we are still at the point where a few deliveries of the A220 impact support economics. At rate 6 next year, we break out of that issue in 2023.

The A220 has out delivered the 717. But the 717 had the advantage that business jets kept up engine spare parts. While I personally think the G500/600 and 6X will do well, this time the will trail the passenger jet and the A220 engines must support themselves for years to come before the ecosystem builds up (I believe it will).

The fact we now have a double digit number of opperators is great. I've always heard of a minimum of 20 opperators for a liquid secondary market; look at 739 resale for an example of a poor liquidity secondary market (single digit quantity of opperators) vs. 738. I have always heard you want to sell 400 plus aircraft to ensure 300+ are opperating so that every year there is demand for 25 (or more) of every part to keep up support.

The A220 is progressing up through those milestones.

Lightsaber

Regarding engines, please do not forget, the PW1500G family of the A220 and PW1900G family of of the E190/185E2...are just one family, not two. The PW1500G/1900G is just one family, the engines are all identical, only the ad on parts(/as for the hydraulic pump and the Integrated Drive Generator e.g.) are different.

So we are talking about one single A220/E19XE2 jet engine eco system.

If there is any doubt, please just check this one.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA%20TCDS%20IM%20E%20090_PW1500G_Issue8_20210224.pdf
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:57 pm

oldJoe wrote:
Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

However the " delivery" was 2 ferry/test flights from YMX>YQB>YMX, so I'm not sure why she ferried to YQB in the first place:

MSN 55106 Air Austral A225 C-FOVH/F-OLAV, test and ferry flights from YMX>YQB>YMX:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55106
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:47 pm

T4thH wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
oldJoe wrote:

You forgot about Ibom Air which since June 13th 2021 operates two A220-300
https://www.ibomair.com/ibom-air-welcomes-the-1st-set-of-a220-aircraft-to-nigeria-west-africa/

Good point, at #10 operator already. So Air Austrel is #11, Iraqi #12, AF #13, Breeze #14. :spin:

Unfortunately, we are still at the point where a few deliveries of the A220 impact support economics. At rate 6 next year, we break out of that issue in 2023.

The A220 has out delivered the 717. But the 717 had the advantage that business jets kept up engine spare parts. While I personally think the G500/600 and 6X will do well, this time the will trail the passenger jet and the A220 engines must support themselves for years to come before the ecosystem builds up (I believe it will).

The fact we now have a double digit number of opperators is great. I've always heard of a minimum of 20 opperators for a liquid secondary market; look at 739 resale for an example of a poor liquidity secondary market (single digit quantity of opperators) vs. 738. I have always heard you want to sell 400 plus aircraft to ensure 300+ are opperating so that every year there is demand for 25 (or more) of every part to keep up support.

The A220 is progressing up through those milestones.

Lightsaber

Regarding engines, please do not forget, the PW1500G family of the A220 and PW1900G family of of the E190/185E2...are just one family, not two. The PW1500G/1900G is just one family, the engines are all identical, only the ad on parts(/as for the hydraulic pump and the Integrated Drive Generator e.g.) are different.

So we are talking about one single A220/E19XE2 jet engine eco system.

If there is any doubt, please just check this one.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA%20TCDS%20IM%20E%20090_PW1500G_Issue8_20210224.pdf

A220 deliveries 162 (169 minus the 7 at Bombardier)
E2 deliveries 43
G500/G600 over a hundred.

At this point the other engines help the A220 engine economics, but since the core is 80% of the engine cost, the Gulfstreams help more. With different nacelles and auxiliary gearbox accessories, quite a few line replaceable parts are not shared. But thanks to the other engines I estimate that A220 engines cost 10% less to produce and yes, there will be more MRO shops.

I remain of the opinion the A220 must form its own economics of scale and will do so with deliveries by mid-2023. In particular with how well ALC is doing placing them.

Lightsaber

Links:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_G500/G600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_E2_family

ps (late edit):
With Air Austrel, AirFrance (soon), AirBaltic, and Swiss opperting the A220 in Europe, there should be continually improving economics of scale there for MRO (e.g., AirFrance bid vs. Lufthansa for service), crew and pilot training, as well as a growing distribution of part kits to turn a flight. I speculate this will help future deliveries in Africa and the mid-East.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:17 pm

audidudi wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Finally the first A220-300 for Air Austral has been delivered today 27 July 2021 :D

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/indian-ocean-based-air-austral-becomes-first-french-a220-operator/

However the " delivery" was 2 ferry/test flights from YMX>YQB>YMX, so I'm not sure why she ferried to YQB in the first place:

MSN 55106 Air Austral A225 C-FOVH/F-OLAV, test and ferry flights from YMX>YQB>YMX:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55106


A225 ???
I don`t know either but today it looks better.
MSN 55106 F-OLAV as REU9123 on the way YMX-YQM-CDG
https://www.flightradar24.com/REU9123/28937ad3
MSN 55116 F-OMER as REU9456 on the way YMX-YQM-CDG
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-omer/#289351ed
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:35 pm

Latest deliveries for 28 July 2021:

MSN 55106 Air Austral A223 C-FOVH/F-OLAV, delivered from YMX>YQM>CDG. #3 in July...#21 in 2021...#116 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55106

MSN 55116 Air Austral A223 C-FOVP/F-OMER, delivered from YMX>YQM>CDG. #4 in July...#22 in 2021...#117 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55116
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:48 pm

This is the A220 delivery thread.

For potential orders, post here (I moved one post):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1457803

For Embraer E2 here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455939

If you want to discuss in detail side topics, consider TechOps.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:41 pm

I've been trying to reconcile the correct delivery totals for both the A221 and A223 frames to date:

A221
Delta Air Lines 41
Swiss 9
Total 50

A223
Air Baltic 27
Air Canada 24
Swiss 21
Egypt Air 12
Korean Air 10
Delta Air Lines 9
State Transport Leasing Company 6
JetBlue Airways 4
Air Austral 2
Air Tanzania 2
Total 117

A221 50 + A223 117 =167 total to date.
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:50 pm

audidudi wrote:
I've been trying to reconcile the correct delivery totals for both the A221 and A223 frames to date:

A221
Delta Air Lines 41
Swiss 9
Total 50

A223
Air Baltic 27
Air Canada 24
Swiss 21
Egypt Air 12
Korean Air 10
Delta Air Lines 9
State Transport Leasing Company 6
JetBlue Airways 4
Air Tanzania 2
Total 115

A221 50 + A223 115 =165 total to date.

So I may have 2 "ghost" deliveries in my reply #160 above...can anyone confirm please?


Add the 2 A223 that were just delivered to Air Austral.
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:57 pm

9252fly wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I've been trying to reconcile the correct delivery totals for both the A221 and A223 frames to date:

A221
Delta Air Lines 41
Swiss 9
Total 50

A223
Air Baltic 27
Air Canada 24
Swiss 21
Egypt Air 12
Korean Air 10
Delta Air Lines 9
State Transport Leasing Company 6
JetBlue Airways 4
Air Tanzania 2
Total 115

A221 50 + A223 115 =165 total to date.

So I may have 2 "ghost" deliveries in my reply #160 above...can anyone confirm please?


Add the 2 A223 that were just delivered to Air Austral.

Yes that's it! I forgot to add them in to my totals after I posted their deliveries today! So I've edited my post above and they are now in the list! Thanks!
However "lightsaber"you have the totals @162 in reply #158 above.
 
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:24 pm

[threeid][/threeid]Latest delivery for 30 July 2021:

MSN 55125 Air Austral A223 C-FOUY/F-OTER, delivered from YMX>CDG. #5 in July...#23 in 2021...#118 total (A223):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55125
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:38 am

audidudi wrote:
9252fly wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I've been trying to reconcile the correct delivery totals for both the A221 and A223 frames to date:

A221
Delta Air Lines 41
Swiss 9
Total 50

A223
Air Baltic 27
Air Canada 24
Swiss 21
Egypt Air 12
Korean Air 10
Delta Air Lines 9
State Transport Leasing Company 6
JetBlue Airways 4
Air Tanzania 2
Total 115

A221 50 + A223 115 =165 total to date.

So I may have 2 "ghost" deliveries in my reply #160 above...can anyone confirm please?


Add the 2 A223 that were just delivered to Air Austral.

Yes that's it! I forgot to add them in to my totals after I posted their deliveries today! So I've edited my post above and they are now in the list! Thanks!
However "lightsaber"you have the totals @162 in reply #158 above.

I use:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

I'm happy more are out there. It looks like the State Transport leasing company planes fell off the radar, partially. There is a disconnect.
No ibom in your list.
No Air Manas in your list.

my list lacks the leasing company.


I know Airfleets also has a lag.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:20 am

lightsaber wrote:
audidudi wrote:
9252fly wrote:

Add the 2 A223 that were just delivered to Air Austral.

Yes that's it! I forgot to add them in to my totals after I posted their deliveries today! So I've edited my post above and they are now in the list! Thanks!
However "lightsaber"you have the totals @162 in reply #158 above.

I use:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

I'm happy more are out there. It looks like the State Transport leasing company planes fell off the radar, partially. There is a disconnect.
No ibom in your list.
No Air Manas in your list.

my list lacks the leasing company.


I know Airfleets also has a lag.

Lightsaber

The Ibom planes are wet leased Egyptair aircraft that are double counted on that list. Including them as an operator falls into sort of a grey area. A220s are flying for the brand but it is Egyptair doing the actual flying with 2 excess planes from their fleet that they currently don’t need due to covid.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:03 pm

Polot wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Yes that's it! I forgot to add them in to my totals after I posted their deliveries today! So I've edited my post above and they are now in the list! Thanks!
However "lightsaber"you have the totals @162 in reply #158 above.

I use:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

I'm happy more are out there. It looks like the State Transport leasing company planes fell off the radar, partially. There is a disconnect.
No ibom in your list.
No Air Manas in your list.

my list lacks the leasing company.


I know Airfleets also has a lag.

Lightsaber

The Ibom planes are wet leased Egyptair aircraft that are double counted on that list. Including them as an operator falls into sort of a grey area. A220s are flying for the brand but it is Egyptair doing the actual flying with 2 excess planes from their fleet that they currently don’t need due to covid.


2 excess planes from their fleet that they currently don’t need due to covid ?
SU-GFA and SU-GFD were already delivered completely white and flew with Air Sinai until May 2021 and were never intended for Egypt Air itself. Now they both have the Ibom Air livery. Is it really grey area to list Ibom Air as a operator ?
Air Manas is a lease from GTLK. Who is the operator ?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:11 pm

oldJoe wrote:
Polot wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I use:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-csr.htm

I'm happy more are out there. It looks like the State Transport leasing company planes fell off the radar, partially. There is a disconnect.
No ibom in your list.
No Air Manas in your list.

my list lacks the leasing company.


I know Airfleets also has a lag.

Lightsaber

The Ibom planes are wet leased Egyptair aircraft that are double counted on that list. Including them as an operator falls into sort of a grey area. A220s are flying for the brand but it is Egyptair doing the actual flying with 2 excess planes from their fleet that they currently don’t need due to covid.


2 excess planes from their fleet that they currently don’t need due to covid ?
SU-GFA and SU-GFD were already delivered completely white and flew with Air Sinai until May 2021 and were never intended for Egypt Air itself. Now they both have the Ibom Air livery. Is it really grey area to list Ibom Air as a operator ?
Air Manas is a lease from GTLK. Who is the operator ?

Air Sinai= Egyptair. It is a wholly own subsidiary that solely exists to serve Israel so “Egyptair” doesn’t have to for safety, security, and image reasons. The fact that they are now operating for Ibom should be enough proof that at the current time Egyptair/Air Sinai doesn’t need the planes. You don’t lease out your planes when you need them yourself. These planes were likely selected because as you noted they were already painted all white which makes transitioning to operating on behalf of another airline easier.

As I mentioned they are wet leased. That means they are being operated by Egyptair, not Ibom. In fact they are still flying with their Egyptian registration. That is totally different than a dry lease, like Air Manas, where airline crew is flying and responsible for the plane.

Whatever you want to consider it it doesn’t change the fact that the planes are double counted in the air fleets site. If you want to say Ibom operates 2 A220s fine, but that means Egyptair only operates 10, not 12, A220s right now.
 
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Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:06 pm

Latest delivery for 4 August 2021:

MSN 55115 JetBlue Airways A223 C-GPSN/N3062J, delivered from BFM>VQQ. #1 in August...#24 in 2021...#119 total (A223):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55115
 
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Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:39 am

Should be seeing the First Breeze aircraft rolling out very soon.
 
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Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:50 pm

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Should be seeing the First Breeze aircraft rolling out very soon.

With B6 55120 just having its first flight this week and B6 55124 yet to rollout, along with the BFM FAL schedule of one per month, we should expect that MX 55126 would be September rollout with first flight around the first week of October. I believe this also aligns with the guidance for deliver in October.
 
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Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:25 pm

Latest delivery for 14 August 2021:

MSN 55126 Air Baltic A223 C-FOVD/YL-ABB, delivered from YMX>RIX. #2 in August...#25 in 2021...#120 total (A223):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55126
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:03 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
Should be seeing the First Breeze aircraft rolling out very soon.

With B6 55120 just having its first flight this week and B6 55124 yet to rollout, along with the BFM FAL schedule of one per month, we should expect that MX 55126 would be September rollout with first flight around the first week of October. I believe this also aligns with the guidance for deliver in October.

As noted above, MSN 55126 was delivered to Air Baltic today. Breeze Aiways first two A223s are MSN 55128 and 55137:

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55128

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55137
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:11 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
Should be seeing the First Breeze aircraft rolling out very soon.

With B6 55120 just having its first flight this week and B6 55124 yet to rollout, along with the BFM FAL schedule of one per month, we should expect that MX 55126 would be September rollout with first flight around the first week of October. I believe this also aligns with the guidance for deliver in October.

Unless they only require two weeks roughly for flight testing, I think that schedule is a little late. A lot of blue paint is about to be used.
 
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Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:08 pm

flightsimer wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
Should be seeing the First Breeze aircraft rolling out very soon.

With B6 55120 just having its first flight this week and B6 55124 yet to rollout, along with the BFM FAL schedule of one per month, we should expect that MX 55126 would be September rollout with first flight around the first week of October. I believe this also aligns with the guidance for deliver in October.

Unless they only require two weeks roughly for flight testing, I think that schedule is a little late. A lot of blue paint is about to be used.


Mobile FAL production numbers are out of sync with Mirabel FAL. You'll find those from Mobile are lagging. Still to deliver from Mobile are 55120 and 55124 for JetBlue and Mobile produces at one per month. Unless Breeze and Airbus are looking to irritate US trade issues, it's likely we will see Breeze from Mobile FAL.

The only other reason to expect sooner for Breeze is that JetBlue had delayed theirs a while ago which I don't believe to be the case.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:59 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
With B6 55120 just having its first flight this week and B6 55124 yet to rollout, along with the BFM FAL schedule of one per month, we should expect that MX 55126 would be September rollout with first flight around the first week of October. I believe this also aligns with the guidance for deliver in October.

Unless they only require two weeks roughly for flight testing, I think that schedule is a little late. A lot of blue paint is about to be used.


Mobile FAL production numbers are out of sync with Mirabel FAL. You'll find those from Mobile are lagging. Still to deliver from Mobile are 55120 and 55124 for JetBlue and Mobile produces at one per month. Unless Breeze and Airbus are looking to irritate US trade issues, it's likely we will see Breeze from Mobile FAL.

The only other reason to expect sooner for Breeze is that JetBlue had delayed theirs a while ago which I don't believe to be the case.
Yes Breeze’s planes are coming from mobile. Some or all of the initial JetBlue planes were slated for Breeze. When Breeze delayed the launch of services, a deal was supposedly had to swap positions.

But Breeze’s first plane is supposed to be entering paint within a matter of days. So unless they are painting them while there is still a large portion of work to be done on the plane, I would imagine the First plane is getting ready to roll off the Assembly Line.

I’m looking forward to flying them. They will likely be the most comfortable A220 flying to date.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:41 pm

Latest delivery for 21 August 2021:

MSN 55127 Air Baltic A223 C-FOUQ/YL-ABC, delivered from YMX>RIX. #3 in August...#26 in 2021...#121 total (A223):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55127
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:55 pm

flightsimer wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
Yes Breeze’s planes are coming from mobile. Some or all of the initial JetBlue planes were slated for Breeze. When Breeze delayed the launch of services, a deal was supposedly had to swap positions.

But Breeze’s first plane is supposed to be entering paint within a matter of days. So unless they are painting them while there is still a large portion of work to be done on the plane, I would imagine the First plane is getting ready to roll off the Assembly Line.

I’m looking forward to flying them. They will likely be the most comfortable A220 flying to date.

What’s going to make them more comfortable than B6 or DLs?

Well the total number of passengers on board the plane for one…


What's the configuration? DL and B6 A220s are configured in a very comfortable way.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:47 pm

When does Delta get their last A221s?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:24 am

SELMER40 wrote:
When does Delta get their last A221s?

AFAIK the remaining 4 frames will be delivered sometime next year, but as to the exact quarter(s) they will be delivered, I don't know.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:53 pm

Another EgyptAir A220 to Ibom Air in Nigeria?
https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3331/28e2807a
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:22 am

[threeid][/threeid]Latest delivery for 23 August 2021:

MSN 55120 JetBlue Airways A223 C-GPNO/N3065J delivered from BFM>VQQ. #4 in August...#27 in 2021...#122 total (A223):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55120
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:18 pm

From 2016 to Jul/2021, 168 aircraft were delivered, equivalent and an average of 2.8 units/month. In 2021 there were 25 deliveries, with an average of 3.6 units per month. For those who have 2 factories and no other similar aircraft, this indicates that production costs are too high and there is little evolution.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:34 pm

Nean1 wrote:
From 2016 to Jul/2021, 168 aircraft were delivered, equivalent and an average of 2.8 units/month. In 2021 there were 25 deliveries, with an average of 3.6 units per month. For those who have 2 factories and no other similar aircraft, this indicates that production costs are too high and there is little evolution.

Monthly rates tell a skewed story. Just look at the yearly delivery graph to see improvement:
16-17-18--19--20--2021(forecasted)
7--17--33--48--38--60
The production rate has doubled 3 times from 2016 and needs the to double one more time. So, applying the standard rule of 15% reduction in cost for every doubling. we are talking about 15%^4=~48% reduction. Seems pretty big to me...
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:39 pm

Air France first A220-300 MSN 55134 C-FPBQ ( F-HZUA ) actually on first flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABK334/28ec7791
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:28 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
Another EgyptAir A220 to Ibom Air in Nigeria?
https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3331/28e2807a


Seems one (SU-GFD) Went tech, so this is a replacement
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:26 pm

audidudi wrote:
I've been trying to reconcile the correct delivery totals for both the A221 and A223 frames to date:

A221
Delta Air Lines 41
Swiss 9
Total 50

A223
Air Baltic 27
Air Canada 24
Swiss 21
Egypt Air 12
Korean Air 10
Delta Air Lines 9
State Transport Leasing Company 6
JetBlue Airways 4
Air Austral 2
Air Tanzania 2
Total 117

A221 50 + A223 117 =167 total to date.


Wow, only 50 a221s? For an airliner that's been touted as filling the "100-seat market" it's really doing a better job selling as quasi-150 which is 73G/a319 territory.

To be fair that really means it's a good (dare I say great) alternative to buying a319 neo or 73G MAX, which, as shrinks (kinda), aren't as economical as going with the mainstream middle-of-the-line variants.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:46 pm

oldJoe wrote:
Air France first A220-300 MSN 55134 C-FPBQ ( F-HZUA ) actually on first flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABK334/28ec7791


Air France posted a video for first flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJw0YzB ... %20process.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:56 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Air France first A220-300 MSN 55134 C-FPBQ ( F-HZUA ) actually on first flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABK334/28ec7791


Air France posted a video for first flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJw0YzB ... %20process.


Hey look, AF planes really are all white!

I know this is probably off topic, but Airbus has hit a home run in acquiring this aircraft from Bombardier. I'm a regular on the DL 221s...they are comfortable, awesome IFE and they are gorgeous. Boeing . . . why the hell didn't YOU jump on this before Airbus?????
 
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:16 am

FlyingJhawk wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Air France first A220-300 MSN 55134 C-FPBQ ( F-HZUA ) actually on first flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABK334/28ec7791


Air France posted a video for first flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJw0YzB ... %20process.


Hey look, AF planes really are all white!

I know this is probably off topic, but Airbus has hit a home run in acquiring this aircraft from Bombardier. I'm a regular on the DL 221s...they are comfortable, awesome IFE and they are gorgeous. Boeing . . . why the hell didn't YOU jump on this before Airbus?????


It wasn’t for sale then! I forget, if it was stated whether Airbus approached Bombardier after the issue with the tariffs, or if Bombardier had gone to airbus to sell the manufacturing.

Not sure the CS1 then had as much credibility to have about as many orders as it does now. Under Airbus you know it’s a serious product.

Weird but AF does look good being all white. I think it’s because the tail and titles have a lot of color to balance it.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:50 am

FlyingJhawk wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Air France first A220-300 MSN 55134 C-FPBQ ( F-HZUA ) actually on first flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABK334/28ec7791


Air France posted a video for first flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJw0YzB ... %20process.


Hey look, AF planes really are all white!

I know this is probably off topic, but Airbus has hit a home run in acquiring this aircraft from Bombardier. I'm a regular on the DL 221s...they are comfortable, awesome IFE and they are gorgeous. Boeing . . . why the hell didn't YOU jump on this before Airbus?????


Because they are continuing to lose money on everyone they sell. Once they get the horrendous supplier chain worked out that Bombardier created (at way too high a cost), Airbus will eventually make money on the plane. Until then, it is similar to the 747-8. Airlines love it and it makes them money, but Boeing was losing money on everyone they sold. Boeing had no solution but to discontinue the aircraft. Once Airbus gets more work on the plane in house, they will turn the tables on profitability.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:05 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
FlyingJhawk wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:

Air France posted a video for first flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJw0YzB ... %20process.


Hey look, AF planes really are all white!

I know this is probably off topic, but Airbus has hit a home run in acquiring this aircraft from Bombardier. I'm a regular on the DL 221s...they are comfortable, awesome IFE and they are gorgeous. Boeing . . . why the hell didn't YOU jump on this before Airbus?????


It wasn’t for sale then! I forget, if it was stated whether Airbus approached Bombardier after the issue with the tariffs, or if Bombardier had gone to airbus to sell the manufacturing.

Not sure the CS1 then had as much credibility to have about as many orders as it does now. Under Airbus you know it’s a serious product.

Weird but AF does look good being all white. I think it’s because the tail and titles have a lot of color to balance it.

I prefer the white to the grey-brown, streaked scheme.

Image
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:45 pm

airBaltic has taken delivery of their 30th A220-300 - YL-ABD
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:06 pm

SELMER40 wrote:
When does Delta get their last A221s?


December 2022

What they have on the schedule:

A221

1 delivery in January, February, November and December of 2022

A223:

2022 10
2023 11
2024 8
2025 10
2026 5

Plus the 50 options.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:58 am

Latest delivery for 29 August 2021:

MSN 55129 Air Baltic A223 C-FOVX/YL-ABD, delivered from YMX>RIX. #5 in August...#28 in 2021...#123 total (123):

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55129
 
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Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:58 pm

55136 C-FOVL (YI-ARE) is in full Iraqi colours, with an image of duck on Facebook.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:57 pm

wezgulf3 wrote:
55136 C-FOVL (YI-ARE) is in full Iraqi colours, with an image of duck on Facebook.


Article with picture:
https://simpleflying.com/iraqi-airways- ... rbus-a220/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:14 pm

wezgulf3 wrote:
55136 C-FOVL (YI-ARE) is in full Iraqi colours, with an image of duck on Facebook.

Looks absolutely gorgeous here at their official Twitter account....https://twitter.com/IraqiAirplanes/stat ... WZjRQ&s=19

Never could have imagine order would actually come into realisation. What are the odds.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:40 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
wezgulf3 wrote:
55136 C-FOVL (YI-ARE) is in full Iraqi colours, with an image of duck on Facebook.

Never could have imagine order would actually come into realisation. What are the odds.


Yeah, who would have believed it as most folks had written this order off years ago.

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