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Polot wrote:Is Starlux delaying delivery/ntu this frame? It’s strange that it has been painted all white without even the mask, which would seem to indicate a white tail or destined for storage.
Polot wrote:Is Starlux delaying delivery/ntu this frame? It’s strange that it has been painted all white without even the mask, which would seem to indicate a white tail or destined for storage.
bspc wrote:Polot wrote:Is Starlux delaying delivery/ntu this frame? It’s strange that it has been painted all white without even the mask, which would seem to indicate a white tail or destined for storage.
This Aircraft was either to go to Air Asia or XL Airways. Starlux just happened to get the production slot in the last minute, that's why its not painted yet. There are a few AirAsia A330neo White tails at TLS.
Airbus A330 -941 1956 PK-LEQ Lion Airlines delivery 30jan21 TLS-CGK
Jetport wrote:Has anyone calculated the "likely to actually be delivered" backlog for the A330NEO? Can this realistic backlog (also accounting for white tails) keep the line running for another year or 2?
lightsaber wrote:Jetport wrote:Has anyone calculated the "likely to actually be delivered" backlog for the A330NEO? Can this realistic backlog (also accounting for white tails) keep the line running for another year or 2?
I won't say I calculated, but I'm fairly sure the following airlines will accept deliveries, just delayed:
Delta
Lion Air
TAP
Air Greenland (1)
Kuwait
I'm not seeing 2 years at minimum production as everyone needs to differ. AirAsiaX is... in no condition to even afford what they have on hand. While I expect a few leased aircraft to be placed, there is a coming crisis.
Lightsaber
oldJoe wrote:lightsaber wrote:Jetport wrote:Has anyone calculated the "likely to actually be delivered" backlog for the A330NEO? Can this realistic backlog (also accounting for white tails) keep the line running for another year or 2?
I won't say I calculated, but I'm fairly sure the following airlines will accept deliveries, just delayed:
Delta
Lion Air
TAP
Air Greenland (1)
Kuwait
I'm not seeing 2 years at minimum production as everyone needs to differ. AirAsiaX is... in no condition to even afford what they have on hand. While I expect a few leased aircraft to be placed, there is a coming crisis.
Lightsaber
Why is Starlux not on your list ? As much as I know they will take delivery in Q4 this year
lightsaber wrote:Jetport wrote:Has anyone calculated the "likely to actually be delivered" backlog for the A330NEO? Can this realistic backlog (also accounting for white tails) keep the line running for another year or 2?
I won't say I calculated, but I'm fairly sure the following airlines will accept deliveries, just delayed:
Delta
Lion Air
TAP
Air Greenland (1)
Kuwait
I'm not seeing 2 years at minimum production as everyone needs to differ. AirAsiaX is... in no condition to even afford what they have on hand. While I expect a few leased aircraft to be placed, there is a coming crisis.
Lightsaber
Capricorn wrote:oldJoe wrote:lightsaber wrote:I won't say I calculated, but I'm fairly sure the following airlines will accept deliveries, just delayed:
Delta
Lion Air
TAP
Air Greenland (1)
Kuwait
I'm not seeing 2 years at minimum production as everyone needs to differ. AirAsiaX is... in no condition to even afford what they have on hand. While I expect a few leased aircraft to be placed, there is a coming crisis.
Lightsaber
Why is Starlux not on your list ? As much as I know they will take delivery in Q4 this year
I personally would add Garuda Indonesia as a safe customer as well. They already have taken some and AFAIK so far unlike some other regional competitors they have managed the pandemic okayish. Maybe I have missed something?
trex8 wrote:I would consider Starlux a big if. Its nothing more than its founder and former BR CEO CK Changs dream. The only good news is he has a half billion in inheritance from the Evergreen group to waste (in addition to whatever he was worth before that which is probably in the hundreds millions also and whatever funds he can find from elsewhere). They may have had a chance pre Covid but how you plan on starting a new airline to compete with two entrenched local airlines. in the post Covid era is , shall we say, extremely difficult.
One, his family and former employer BR, will love to bury him alive still. Nothing like a family inheritance spat to make good sound business decisions. Two, the "national carrier" CI, which the government is still the largest (though no longer majority) shareholder through a government-owned foundation arent goin down without a fight either.
For what was a play at "premium traffic" they started going to Danang, Macau, Penang with a handful of A321s. Good luck on that one for premium traffic.
Taking on new widebodies to compete with CI, BR is going to be the proverbial, how do you make a million in the airline business, start with two!
I would bet more on Starlux going bust and CI and BR picking up its tattered remnants. CI could use those A359s and A330neos. BR those Leap powered A321neos
Speedy752 wrote:trex8 wrote:I would consider Starlux a big if. Its nothing more than its founder and former BR CEO CK Changs dream. The only good news is he has a half billion in inheritance from the Evergreen group to waste (in addition to whatever he was worth before that which is probably in the hundreds millions also and whatever funds he can find from elsewhere). They may have had a chance pre Covid but how you plan on starting a new airline to compete with two entrenched local airlines. in the post Covid era is , shall we say, extremely difficult.
One, his family and former employer BR, will love to bury him alive still. Nothing like a family inheritance spat to make good sound business decisions. Two, the "national carrier" CI, which the government is still the largest (though no longer majority) shareholder through a government-owned foundation arent goin down without a fight either.
For what was a play at "premium traffic" they started going to Danang, Macau, Penang with a handful of A321s. Good luck on that one for premium traffic.
Taking on new widebodies to compete with CI, BR is going to be the proverbial, how do you make a million in the airline business, start with two!
I would bet more on Starlux going bust and CI and BR picking up its tattered remnants. CI could use those A359s and A330neos. BR those Leap powered A321neos
Are all the Starlux frames former white tails? The order timing seems such that despite the excuse they gave, the real reason is that they could get these planes now but also get them dirt cheap. I do wonder at what point the slots aren’t full, do we know how far out a customer has to commit to taking the aircraft per production schedule? Are they actually building at rate 2 at this point?
MEA-707 wrote:No 48 in 2 years will be a stretch, but all widebody types are struggling now. The 787 and A350 also have dodgy orders like from the Hainan group and Asiana and parked planes like the Norwegians depressing the market. I can't imagine they will give up production on the A330 now, I can see some future orders, perhaps Emirates or China to replace the packs of A330 ceo's they have in abundance.
lightsaber wrote:Cebu Pacific is trying to raise cash, I do not think they can afford A339s at this time. They might take one, but that is a financial hardship for to them.
lightsaber wrote:Garuda fired their finance director and received a massive government bailout. I cannot consider them safe. Not even close. They are on my list of airlines likely to be too expensive to save.
lightsaber wrote:Small production widebodies are tough to make a profit on
qf789 wrote:Starlux A330-900neo MSN 1981, ferried TLS-CHR for painting?? (17 Feb)
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wwyy
qf789 wrote:Delta Airlines A330-900neo N409DX MSN 1983, out of paint at TLS (19 Feb)Delta A330-941N msn 1990 F-WWCR / N410DX by dn280tls, on Flickr
qf789 wrote:Azul A300-900neo PR-ANV ferried TLS-CHr for storage (6 Jan)
https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 24224?s=20
UAEflyer wrote:when is the next Kuwait Airways A330neo due ?