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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:26 pm

UA947 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Here goes, there are 15 official "Not Built" MSNs,.......

Close, but no cigar :D

Not Built MSN's:
Aeroflot: 242, 253
American: 108, 131, 156, 166
Ethiopian: 377
Hong Kong A/l: 384
LATAM: 139, 152, 171, 367
Qatar: 275, 353, 361
SAS: 360
United: 194, 222
Unknown: 288, 304, 317

Some news for me. I had 171 as the first frame for SriLankans own order (so not the AerCaps which went to Sichuan) instead of LATAM.
317 I had it was for Lufthansa, it was reallocated to msn 314 or 390.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:55 am

Latest movements for 20 April 2021:

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/448

MSN 454 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZFZ/TC-LGE, third test flight and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/454

MSN 481 Air China A359 F-WZFD/B-322Z, third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/481

MSN 489 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZGA/B-xxxx, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/489
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:02 pm

So, all in all, 21 unbuilt MSMNs. And on the other hand, 24 unused, built A350s. So, an airline could build a complete fleet almost instantly…
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:26 am

Latest movements for 21 April 2021:

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/059

MSN 470 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZFF/B-xxxx, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/470

MSN 489 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZGA/Bxxxx, ferried undefined-IGS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/489
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:15 am

Aircellist wrote:
So, all in all, 21 unbuilt MSMNs. And on the other hand, 24 unused, built A350s. So, an airline could build a complete fleet almost instantly…

Yes, 21 unbuilt MSNs. 34 built but in storage units currently.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 am

Any word on exactly when French Bee's A35Ks are due for delivery this year? Is this the right thread to ask about that?
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:17 am

sfojvjets wrote:
Any word on exactly when French Bee's A35Ks are due for delivery this year? Is this the right thread to ask about that?

Not sure of delivery date, but they have been allocated MSN 539 and MSN 560. Currently Airbus production is hovering around MSN470-500
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:13 pm

On 13 Jan 2021 audidudi posted a link of a fully painted BA A350-1000 [MSN 473] without engines. Since then it has not been mentioned in any daily updates which strikes me as as a long time with no evident progress. I am wondering whether there is a problem with this particular aircraft eg an engine supply issue or do BA want to slow delivery rates or is this not an especially long interval between initial roll out and progress to engine testing and test flights?

Any thoughts welcomed.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
So, all in all, 21 unbuilt MSMNs. And on the other hand, 24 unused, built A350s. So, an airline could build a complete fleet almost instantly…

Yes, 21 unbuilt MSNs. 34 built but in storage units currently.


Thanks for the correction! :duck:
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:31 pm

Aircellist wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
So, all in all, 21 unbuilt MSMNs. And on the other hand, 24 unused, built A350s. So, an airline could build a complete fleet almost instantly…

Yes, 21 unbuilt MSNs. 34 built but in storage units currently.


Thanks for the correction! :duck:

Are you sure about this "34 built, but in storage units currently"? Could you list the MSNs for these 34 as I can't come up with near that number. Thanks!
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:41 pm

audidudi wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Yes, 21 unbuilt MSNs. 34 built but in storage units currently.


Thanks for the correction! :duck:

Are you sure about this "34 built, but in storage units currently"? Could you list the MSNs for these 34 as I can't come up with near that number. Thanks!

He listed out the MSNs in reply 143. I haven’t double checked that they are all correct. Some of them, like the EY birds, are stored but not for sale/looking for a new home. There are also some planes that are technically not stored but whose owners probably wouldn’t mind if someone else wanted them.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:50 pm

audidudi wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Yes, 21 unbuilt MSNs. 34 built but in storage units currently.


Thanks for the correction! :duck:

Are you sure about this "34 built, but in storage units currently"? Could you list the MSNs for these 34 as I can't come up with near that number. Thanks!

I am not him but they are probably thinking about:
ex LATAM: 024, 027, 035, 045, 048, 064, 079, 200, 250, 265, 282, 313, 363
ex or ntu Hainan Group : 124, 153, 168, 187, 226, 245, 246, 256, 270, 285, 308, 323, 338, 351, 355
Etihad 290, 315, 330, 342, 388
Air Mauritius/SAA 354, 365
And then there are others like Aeroflot and the other Chinese airlines who seem to drag taking delivery. Not all are for sale but given they are stored I guess you might be able to buy them if you offer a fair price.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:32 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Aircellist wrote:

Thanks for the correction! :duck:

Are you sure about this "34 built, but in storage units currently"? Could you list the MSNs for these 34 as I can't come up with near that number. Thanks!

I am not him but they are probably thinking about:
ex LATAM: 024, 027, 035, 045, 048, 064, 079, 200, 250, 265, 282, 313, 363
ex or ntu Hainan Group : 124, 153, 168, 187, 226, 245, 246, 256, 270, 285, 308, 323, 338, 351, 355
Etihad 290, 315, 330, 342, 388
Air Mauritius/SAA 354, 365
And then there are others like Aeroflot and the other Chinese airlines who seem to drag taking delivery. Not all are for sale but given they are stored I guess you might be able to buy them if you offer a fair price.


That’s a lot of A350’s sitting around and looking for a home! But the way some of you are posting referring these to be on Airbuses books is incorrect.
The 5 Etihad have been contractually delivered to Etihad, so they are their problem, not Airbuses
The 13 former Latam are the respective lessors problem, not Airbuses
The 2 Air Mauritius are their problem, not Airbuses
Most of the Hainan Group/Hong Kong Airlines are their problem or the respective lessor “ALAFCO”.

Airbuses Problem are the NTU’s From Hainan and the delayed deliveries from numerous airlines.

So saying/referring 34 built in-storage is a financial drain/problem etc is incorrect, the big problem is these frames will complete against future sales for Airbus.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:38 am

A320B737NGCapt wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Are you sure about this "34 built, but in storage units currently"? Could you list the MSNs for these 34 as I can't come up with near that number. Thanks!

I am not him but they are probably thinking about:
ex LATAM: 024, 027, 035, 045, 048, 064, 079, 200, 250, 265, 282, 313, 363
ex or ntu Hainan Group : 124, 153, 168, 187, 226, 245, 246, 256, 270, 285, 308, 323, 338, 351, 355
Etihad 290, 315, 330, 342, 388
Air Mauritius/SAA 354, 365
And then there are others like Aeroflot and the other Chinese airlines who seem to drag taking delivery. Not all are for sale but given they are stored I guess you might be able to buy them if you offer a fair price.


That’s a lot of A350’s sitting around and looking for a home! But the way some of you are posting referring these to be on Airbuses books is incorrect.
The 5 Etihad have been contractually delivered to Etihad, so they are their problem, not Airbuses
The 13 former Latam are the respective lessors problem, not Airbuses
The 2 Air Mauritius are their problem, not Airbuses
Most of the Hainan Group/Hong Kong Airlines are their problem or the respective lessor “ALAFCO”.

Airbuses Problem are the NTU’s From Hainan and the delayed deliveries from numerous airlines.

So saying/referring 34 built in-storage is a financial drain/problem etc is incorrect, the big problem is these frames will complete against future sales for Airbus.

Hey there, thank you for your comment, I understand where you are coming from. However I would like to state I think you got me, MEA-707 and Polot wrong, what we have stated is those 34 A350 are simply in storage stage regardless whether they been contractually delivered to lessor, owner or simply NTU. At no time we imply that those 34 A350 are (still) in Airbus book or causing financial drain on Airbus. With EY B77W retirement announcement yesterday, things will change again in next few months.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:38 am

Latest movements for 22 April 2021:

MSN 414 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFN/VQ-BFZ, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/414

MSN 417 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WZGY/B-30F9, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/417

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/448

MSN 489 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZGA/B-xxxx, taxi check and RTO at TLS (correction to yesterday's movement for this), maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/489

MSN 491 Air France A359 F-WZGV/F-HTYI, fifth test flight and third customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/491
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:07 am

jumpjets wrote:
On 13 Jan 2021 audidudi posted a link of a fully painted BA A350-1000 [MSN 473] without engines. Since then it has not been mentioned in any daily updates which strikes me as as a long time with no evident progress. I am wondering whether there is a problem with this particular aircraft eg an engine supply issue or do BA want to slow delivery rates or is this not an especially long interval between initial roll out and progress to engine testing and test flights?

Any thoughts welcomed.


The aircraft went into storage as BA didn't have any need for it (unsurprisingly) given non-essential travel from the U.K. is banned, here it was pictured in February. Delivery is now due in May - so I would expect to see it being unwrapped soon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/185709727 ... 857669101/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/185709727 ... 857669101/

Funny enough the next BA A350 was rolled out (without engines) earlier this week (G-XWBJ), so we may see 2 x A350 deliveries in May.

Pilot21
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:19 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
A320B737NGCapt wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
I am not him but they are probably thinking about:
ex LATAM: 024, 027, 035, 045, 048, 064, 079, 200, 250, 265, 282, 313, 363
ex or ntu Hainan Group : 124, 153, 168, 187, 226, 245, 246, 256, 270, 285, 308, 323, 338, 351, 355
Etihad 290, 315, 330, 342, 388
Air Mauritius/SAA 354, 365
And then there are others like Aeroflot and the other Chinese airlines who seem to drag taking delivery. Not all are for sale but given they are stored I guess you might be able to buy them if you offer a fair price.


That’s a lot of A350’s sitting around and looking for a home! But the way some of you are posting referring these to be on Airbuses books is incorrect.
The 5 Etihad have been contractually delivered to Etihad, so they are their problem, not Airbuses
The 13 former Latam are the respective lessors problem, not Airbuses
The 2 Air Mauritius are their problem, not Airbuses
Most of the Hainan Group/Hong Kong Airlines are their problem or the respective lessor “ALAFCO”.

Airbuses Problem are the NTU’s From Hainan and the delayed deliveries from numerous airlines.

So saying/referring 34 built in-storage is a financial drain/problem etc is incorrect, the big problem is these frames will complete against future sales for Airbus.

Hey there, thank you for your comment, I understand where you are coming from. However I would like to state I think you got me, MEA-707 and Polot wrong, what we have stated is those 34 A350 are simply in storage stage regardless whether they been contractually delivered to lessor, owner or simply NTU. At no time we imply that those 34 A350 are (still) in Airbus book or causing financial drain on Airbus. With EY B77W retirement announcement yesterday, things will change again in next few months.


The way your posts read, implied that you were that’s why I wrote my post! If it wasn’t, as you state! I apologise.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:33 pm

Latest movements for 23 April 2021:

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/448

MSN 454 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZFZ/TC-LGE, fourth test flight and second customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/454

MSN 470 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZFF/B-xxxx, fourth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/470

MSN 490 British Airways A350-1000 F-WWXL/GXWBJ, spotted at TLS in full c/s without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/490
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:23 pm

Latest movement for 24 April 2021:

MSN 417 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WZGY/B-30F9, delivered from TLS>CAN. #6 in April...#13 in 2021...#419 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/417
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:39 pm

pilot21 wrote:
jumpjets wrote:
On 13 Jan 2021 audidudi posted a link of a fully painted BA A350-1000 [MSN 473] without engines. Since then it has not been mentioned in any daily updates which strikes me as as a long time with no evident progress. I am wondering whether there is a problem with this particular aircraft eg an engine supply issue or do BA want to slow delivery rates or is this not an especially long interval between initial roll out and progress to engine testing and test flights?

Any thoughts welcomed.


The aircraft went into storage as BA didn't have any need for it (unsurprisingly) given non-essential travel from the U.K. is banned, here it was pictured in February. Delivery is now due in May - so I would expect to see it being unwrapped soon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/185709727 ... 857669101/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/185709727 ... 857669101/

Funny enough the next BA A350 was rolled out (without engines) earlier this week (G-XWBJ), so we may see 2 x A350 deliveries in May.

Pilot21


Thank you for the update. G-XWBJ also seems to be missing one wing tip.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:21 am

Latest movements for 26 April 2021:

MSN 454 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZFZ/TC-LGE, fifth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/454

MSN 474 Air China A359 F-WZNM/B-322Y, fifth test flight and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/474
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:52 pm

FlightGlobal is reporting that Airbus has formally listed highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t. Designation of this version is WV006.

Airbus formally lists highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:42 pm

Latest movement for 27 April 2021:

MSN 481 Air China A359 F-WZFD/B-322Z, fourth test flight and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/481
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:11 pm

Latest movements for 28 April 2021:

MSN 270 HongKong Airlines A359 F-WZFT/B-LGJ, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/270

MSN 338 Airbus Financial Services (AFS) F-WZFG/F-WZAQ, delivered from TLS>GVA>TEV. (This was previously "delivered on contract" to Beijing Capital Airlines on 29 November 2019, but was NTU, then assigned to Hainan Airlines, but was also NTU):

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/338

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A350-1000 F-WZNI/F-HTOO, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:18 am

audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 28 April 2021:

MSN 270 HongKong Airlines A359 F-WZFT/B-LGJ, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/270

MSN 338 Airbus Financial Services (AFS) F-WZFG/F-WZAQ, delivered from TLS>GVA>TEV. (This was previously "delivered on contract" to Beijing Capital Airlines on 29 November 2019, but was NTU, then assigned to Hainan Airlines, but was also NTU):

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/338

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A350-1000 F-WZNI/F-HTOO, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482


A really nice looking aircraft/livery.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:15 am

Latest movements for 29 April 2021;

MSN 270 Hong Kong Airlines A359 F-WZFT/B-LGJ, ferried from TLS>LDE for storage;

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/270

MSN 428 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFR/VP-BXA, ferried from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/428

MSN 459 Iberia A359 F-WWIW/EC-NMZ, fourth test flight at CHR:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/459

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472

MSN 499 Scandinavian Airlines A359 F-WZGQ/SE-RSF, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/499

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, spotted at TLS in primer with engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:23 am

SQ22 wrote:
FlightGlobal is reporting that Airbus has formally listed highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t.


Since it's a long seen tradition from Airbus, two questions for anyone interested.

1. Do you think more raise(s) of MTOW are in the pipeline?
2. What would be the limit?

I'd say there's quite a big chance (next to certain), that rumoured Project Sunrise 322-323t bird MTOW will also be available to standard bird, like we've seen to 900ULR. But is this going to be the last, or are we going to see more? There's no direct pressure from the market, no competition and no particular routes to push further, but A330 is a nice example of incremental updates by Airbus, and I'd expect more of the same on A350. One more upgrade? 325t, more or less?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,
Adam
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:25 am

audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 29 April 2021;

MSN 270 Hong Kong Airlines A359 F-WZFT/B-LGJ, ferried from TLS>LDE for storage;

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/270

MSN 428 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFR/VP-BXA, ferried from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/428

MSN 459 Iberia A359 F-WWIW/EC-NMZ, fourth test flight at CHR:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/459

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472

MSN 499 Scandinavian Airlines A359 F-WZGQ/SE-RSF, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/499

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, spotted at TLS in primer with engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517

Read a post on IG, MSN338 is the last of ntu for HNA Group A350 order to be delivered, albeit to its lessor ALAFCO via Geneva onwards storage at Teruel. With that, Airbus, if I am correct, has cleared out HNA Group undelivered frames. Airbus dabbled with HNA Group A350 has came to an end.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:44 am

SQ22 wrote:
FlightGlobal is reporting that Airbus has formally listed highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t. Designation of this version is WV006.

Airbus formally lists highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t

FGlobal's statement makes no sense:

    "Airbus has not yet confirmed whether the Qantas aircraft – which will have a range of 8,700nm – will include additional fuel capacity beyond the -1000’s basic figure"

Obviously they're going to have to do something, as the GC for LHR-SYD is nearly 9200nm, before winds/tracking are even factored into the equation.
Heck, 8700nm wouldn't even be sufficient for a reliable southwest-bound JFK-SYD op.



gloom wrote:
1. Do you think more raise(s) of MTOW are in the pipeline?

I'd say there's quite a big chance (next to certain), that rumoured Project Sunrise 322-323t bird MTOW will also be available to standard bird, like we've seen to 900ULR.

The only reasons they'd do it would be the combination of ease of production + lack of objection by customers who don't need the performance of otherwise identical proportions.

If they can keep the OEW relatively similar to what it is now, then they have an incentive to standardize it for cost of production. As you mentioned, we've seen this recently demonstrated with the A359ULR and A321LR.

The current A35K can operate 99% of all current and even envisioned routes by just about any carrier, range-wise, so there's VERY few carriers who actually "need" this kind of performance. Thus if the empty weight ends up being significantly increased, then they'll strongly object to Airbus standardizing the model, and likely shop elsewhere within this market segment.



gloom wrote:
but A330 is a nice example of incremental updates by Airbus

Actually, A330 is an extremely anomalous example, because its range was for a long time artificially stifled in favor of an internally-competitive model.
We likely won't see anything like that again, in the future.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:12 am

gloom wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
FlightGlobal is reporting that Airbus has formally listed highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t.


Since it's a long seen tradition from Airbus, two questions for anyone interested.

1. Do you think more raise(s) of MTOW are in the pipeline?
2. What would be the limit?

I'd say there's quite a big chance (next to certain), that rumoured Project Sunrise 322-323t bird MTOW will also be available to standard bird, like we've seen to 900ULR. But is this going to be the last, or are we going to see more? There's no direct pressure from the market, no competition and no particular routes to push further, but A330 is a nice example of incremental updates by Airbus, and I'd expect more of the same on A350. One more upgrade? 325t, more or less?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,
Adam


If a 322 to 323t MTOW bird manages Project Sunrise that will be it for the passenger frame, no airline will need more. Today the move is not to build in additional capabilities, but to not carry unnecessary weight.

It could be a completely different think for a A350F that Airbus is thinking about. It will be anyway different, shorter than the A350-1000 and more capable than the A350-900. There the MTOW is limited by the MLG offering about 350 t and what Airbus wants to design.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:58 pm

Latest movements for 30 April 2021:

MSN 414 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFN/VQ-BFZ, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/414

MSN 454 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZFZ/TC-LGE, spotted at TLS with delivery registration:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/454

MSN 474 Air China A359 F-WZNM/B-322Y, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/474

MSN 481 Air China A359 F-WZFD/B-322Z, spotted at TLS with delivery registration:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/481

MSN 491 Air France A359 F-WZGV/F-HTYI, delivered from TLS>CDG. #7 in April...#14 in 2021...#420 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/491

MSN 526 Lufthansa Technik (for German Air Force) F-WZHF/D-xxxx/10+02, spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/526
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 4:57 pm

Latest movements for 2 May 2021:

MSN 474 Air China A359 F-WZNM/B-322Y, delivered from TLS>PEK. #1 in May...#15 in 2021...#421 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/474

MSN 481 Air China A359 F-WZFD/B-322Z, delivered from TLS>PEK. #2 in May...#16 in 2021...#422 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/481
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 10:12 pm

Latest movements for 3 May 2021:

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/448

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A350-1000 F-WZNI/F-HTOO, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 11:32 pm

Latest movements for 4 May 2021:

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A350-1000 F-WZNI/F-HTOO, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482

MSN 489 China Eastern A359 F-WZGA/B-xxxx, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/489

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, third test and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497

MSN 502 Air France A359 F-WZFC/F-HTYK, spotted at TLS in full c/s with engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/502
 
tommy1808
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 am

mjoelnir wrote:
gloom wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
FlightGlobal is reporting that Airbus has formally listed highest-weight A350-1000 at 319t.


Since it's a long seen tradition from Airbus, two questions for anyone interested.

1. Do you think more raise(s) of MTOW are in the pipeline?
2. What would be the limit?

I'd say there's quite a big chance (next to certain), that rumoured Project Sunrise 322-323t bird MTOW will also be available to standard bird, like we've seen to 900ULR. But is this going to be the last, or are we going to see more? There's no direct pressure from the market, no competition and no particular routes to push further, but A330 is a nice example of incremental updates by Airbus, and I'd expect more of the same on A350. One more upgrade? 325t, more or less?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,
Adam


If a 322 to 323t MTOW bird manages Project Sunrise that will be it for the passenger frame, no airline will need more. Today the move is not to build in additional capabilities, but to not carry unnecessary weight.


well, there is still LHR-AKL and back to be done non-stop :)

Since Airbus still isn´t trading MZFW for TOW/Fuel there is probably still some room to move up.

best regards
Thomas
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu May 06, 2021 2:12 am

Latest movements for 5 April 2021;

MSN 454 Turkish Airlines A359 F-WZFZ/TC-LGE, delivered from TLS>IST. #3 in May...#17 in 2021...#423 total:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/454

MSN 462 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WZGT/B-xxxx, spotted at TLS in full c/s with engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/462

MSN 492 Virgin Atlantic Airways A350-1000 F-WZGM/G-VBOB (also listed elsewhere as G-VEVE), spotted at TLS in primer without engines installed:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/492

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, fourth test and second customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497

MSN 499 Scandinavian Airlines A359 F-WZGQ/SE-RSF, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/499
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat May 08, 2021 2:40 am

There were no movements for 6 May 2021.

Latest movements for 7 May 2021:

MSN 428 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFR/VP-BXA, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/428

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, fifth test and third customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497

MSN 499 Scandinavian Airlines A359 F-WZGQ/SE-RSF, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/499

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 2:22 am

Latest movement for 10 May 2021:

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A359 F-WZNI/F-OTOO, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 10:36 pm

Latest movements for 11 May 2021:

MSN 414 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFN/VQ-BFZ, engine run and taxi check, followed by thirteenth test and fourth customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/414

MSN 470 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZFF/B-xxxx, ferried from TLS>LDE for storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/470

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, sixth test and fourth customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497

MSN 502 Air France A359 F-WZFC/F-HTYK, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/502

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu May 13, 2021 3:14 am

Latest movements for 12 May 2021:

MSN 424 Cathay Pacific A350-1000 F-WZNP/B-LXN, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/424

MSN 480 Starlux Airlines A359 F-xxxx/B-xxxx, spotted at TLS in primer:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/480

MSN 489 China Eastern Airlines A359 F-WZGA/B-xxxx, ferried from TLS>TSN for completion and customer acceptance:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/489

MSN 502 Air France A359 F-WZFC/F-HTYK, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/502

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 12:33 am

Latest movement for 13 May 2021:

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, seventh test and fifth customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497
 
Aircellist
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 2:35 pm

Is there any particular meaning to those high numbers of customer acceptance flights? And the 13 test flights of MSN 414?
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 2:42 pm

Aircellist wrote:
Is there any particular meaning to those high numbers of customer acceptance flights? And the 13 test flights of MSN 414?

Airlines are not clamoring for new A350s (or any wide body really) at the moment so they are stalling delivery as much as possible. Which means more test flights as customers find “unacceptable” problems (eg frayed/torn carpets, slightly misaligned interior panels, loose/rattling trim, etc) that in normal times they would let slide and deal with themselves.
 
RoyalBrunei757
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 3:01 pm

Aircellist wrote:
Is there any particular meaning to those high numbers of customer acceptance flights? And the 13 test flights of MSN 414?

Not surprising as this aircraft is due to Aeroflot, recently they ntu one of their new airframe MSN448 went to newcomer World2fly as EC-NOI. Unless SU decides to accelerate the retirement of their A330ceo or older B77W fleet, or even Rossiya's 744 and use A350 as replacement, we will see more A350 delivery delay for them.
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 11:29 pm

Latest movements for 14 May 2021:

MSN 424 Cathay Pacific A350-1000 F-WZNP/B-LXN, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/424

MSN 499 Scandinavian Airlines A359 F-WZGQ/SE-RSF, third test flight bat TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/499

MSN 502 Air France A359 F-WZFC/F-HTYK, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/502
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 12:09 am

Latest movements for 17 May 2021:

MSN 424 Cathay Pacific A350-1000 F-WZNP/B-LXN, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/424

MSN 428 Aeroflot A359 F-WZFR/VP-BXA, twelfth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/428

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472

MSN 497 Japan Airlines A359 F-WZNO/JA09XJ, eighth test flight and sixth customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/497
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed May 19, 2021 3:50 am

Latest movement for 18 May 2021:

MSN 500 Air France A359 F-WZGF/F-HTYJ, taxi check and RTO, followed by maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/500
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu May 20, 2021 2:14 am

Latest movements for 19 May 2021:

MSN 437 Aeroflot A359 F-WZGO/VP-BXC, fourth test flight ferrying from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/437

MSN 449 China Southern Airlines A359 F-WZNQ/B-320S, engine run and and taxi check at TLS

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/449

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472
 
audidudi
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Thu May 20, 2021 11:37 pm

Latest movements for 20 May 2021:

MSN 429 Aeroflot A359 F-WZNE/VP-BXD, sixth test flight ferrying from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/429

MSN 448 World2Fly A359 F-WZHI/EC-NOI, third test and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/448

MSN 472 Singapore Airlines A359 F-WZFL/9V-SJB, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/472
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 2:36 am

Latest movements for 21 May 2021:

MSN 437 Aeroflot A359 F-WZGO/VP-BXC, fifth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/437

MSN 453 Iberia A359 F-WZGU/EC-NLP, engine run and taxi check at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/453

MSN 482 Air Caraibes A350-1000 F-WZNI/F-OTOO, third test and customer acceptance flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/482

MSN 517 Air China A359 F-WZFI/B-xxxx, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/517

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