kindeham wrote:Not sure when it happened - seems we all missed it, but Air Canada resumes Toronto with 2x daily on October 31st.
I don’t think that’s firm. They had/have a bunch of stations they pushed to Oct 31 a few months ago.
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kindeham wrote:Not sure when it happened - seems we all missed it, but Air Canada resumes Toronto with 2x daily on October 31st.
kindeham wrote:Unless I missed something, IND now has service to virtually every airport in Florida worth mentioning. The next two up in order of size are Tallahassee and Daytona Beach. There is no market for Tallahassee - however, if Allegiant ever picks up Daytona Beach I can see full planes headed down to skip the drive from Orlando.
ibthebigd wrote:Allegiant just announced MLB in Melbourne Florida as a destination but NOT IND so MLB could be next
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Rocketman1972 wrote:Hey Midwest, would check your numbers on IND -FL seats? 3% of Indy proper would be in the range of 24,000 seats. Maybe .3%?
Midwestindy wrote:Amtrak planning on adding a stop at IND, with 8 daily RT along the IND-Chicago leg, and 4 RT on Cincy/Louisville.
Same for CLE
https://www.amtrakconnectsus.com/maps/Rocketman1972 wrote:Hey Midwest, would check your numbers on IND -FL seats? 3% of Indy proper would be in the range of 24,000 seats. Maybe .3%?
It's actually ~2%, I accidentally included some non Florida destinations.
For reference IND-Orlando alone had 4.5k seats both ways during peak Spring Break. So, that would be enough to carry 0.5% of Indianapolis' population not counting connecting passengers.
FlyingElvii wrote:Amtrak has been talking about this stuff for DECADES. Even if it all got approved tomorrow, it would take at least a decade to upgrade the tracks and bid/build/lawsuit the railcars, and billions and billions of dollars. For just ONE low priority route.
Not going to happen, at least in the lifetimes of most of us.
kindeham wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:Amtrak has been talking about this stuff for DECADES. Even if it all got approved tomorrow, it would take at least a decade to upgrade the tracks and bid/build/lawsuit the railcars, and billions and billions of dollars. For just ONE low priority route.
Not going to happen, at least in the lifetimes of most of us.
Sure, it may take a decade - but they didn't build Rome in a summer either. I live in the Netherlands where I've seen rail projects take a decade. Guess what? 10 years later we have high speed lines, beautiful stations and so on. Great things come to those that don't expect them to show up tomorrow.
FlyingElvii wrote:Don’t have experience with American government contracting, eh? It took 35 YEARS to build just one runway at O’Hare, because of all the lawsuits.
ATAIndy wrote:The SK A350 is still on the ground. Supposed to depart around 11:30pm local. In total we had around 30 diversions from ORD yesterday evening. The two standouts that have been previously mentioned, a Kalitta 744 from ANC, and the remainder were AA/UA mainline and regionals.
Jshank83 wrote:There were some fedex also.
Midwestindy wrote:IND June enplanements were 82.8% of 2019.
June 2021
NK 276% of 2019
F9 133%
G4 106%
AS 94.6%
AA 93.6%
WN 79.2%
DL 61.0%
UA 60.5%
Cargo
CV 212.6% of 2019
FX 144.7% of 2019
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Indy wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:Don’t have experience with American government contracting, eh? It took 35 YEARS to build just one runway at O’Hare, because of all the lawsuits.
I think Brightline down in Florida is the model for getting things done. They haven't even finished the route to Orlando and they are already in negotiations for the extension to Tampa. If people want to get things done, they can get things done. Unfortunately, too often in this country we just make excuses. I am glad things are finally turning around. There is going to be a big influx of infrastructure spending and that will change a lot.
Midwestindy wrote:IND-Florida continues to be fun, F9 is re-adding IND-RSW at 3x weekly starting November 5th.
F9 is also moving IND-CUN's restart up to November 19th at 2x A321.
Should be interesting to see what WN's Spring Break schedule looks like when it comes out Thursday. Given NK released their schedule
Midwestindy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:IND-Florida continues to be fun, F9 is re-adding IND-RSW at 3x weekly starting November 5th.
F9 is also moving IND-CUN's restart up to November 19th at 2x A321.
Should be interesting to see what WN's Spring Break schedule looks like when it comes out Thursday. Given NK released their schedule
WN's schedule extension for Florida routes: MCO up to 8x, RSW up to 6x, TPA up to 6x, SRQ up to 3x, FLL up to 3x, MIA up to 1x, ECP up to 1x
More will also likely be added in later on.
On Saturdays, IND-SRQ will be tied for WN's busiest route to SRQ, and I believe IND-RSW is the 2nd busiest to RSW.
ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Midwestindy wrote:IND-Florida continues to be fun, F9 is re-adding IND-RSW at 3x weekly starting November 5th.
F9 is also moving IND-CUN's restart up to November 19th at 2x A321.
Should be interesting to see what WN's Spring Break schedule looks like when it comes out Thursday. Given NK released their schedule
WN's schedule extension for Florida routes: MCO up to 8x, RSW up to 6x, TPA up to 6x, SRQ up to 3x, FLL up to 3x, MIA up to 1x, ECP up to 1x
More will also likely be added in later on.
On Saturdays, IND-SRQ will be tied for WN's busiest route to SRQ, and I believe IND-RSW is the 2nd busiest to RSW.
ECP and MIA 1x daily?
Midwestindy wrote:ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
WN's schedule extension for Florida routes: MCO up to 8x, RSW up to 6x, TPA up to 6x, SRQ up to 3x, FLL up to 3x, MIA up to 1x, ECP up to 1x
More will also likely be added in later on.
On Saturdays, IND-SRQ will be tied for WN's busiest route to SRQ, and I believe IND-RSW is the 2nd busiest to RSW.
ECP and MIA 1x daily?
Those are peak frequencies (Saturdays), so 1x weekly for MIA/ECP, I expect more frequencies will be added early next year.
MCO is 4x daily (8x Saturday), RSW/TPA 3x daily (6x Saturday), FLL 2x daily (3x Saturday), SRQ 1x daily (3x Saturday)
Midwestindy wrote:ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
WN's schedule extension for Florida routes: MCO up to 8x, RSW up to 6x, TPA up to 6x, SRQ up to 3x, FLL up to 3x, MIA up to 1x, ECP up to 1x
More will also likely be added in later on.
On Saturdays, IND-SRQ will be tied for WN's busiest route to SRQ, and I believe IND-RSW is the 2nd busiest to RSW.
ECP and MIA 1x daily?
Those are peak frequencies (Saturdays), so 1x weekly for MIA/ECP, I expect more frequencies will be added early next year.
MCO is 4x daily (8x Saturday), RSW/TPA 3x daily (6x Saturday), FLL 2x daily (3x Saturday), SRQ 1x daily (3x Saturday)
ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:ilive4planes wrote:
ECP and MIA 1x daily?
Those are peak frequencies (Saturdays), so 1x weekly for MIA/ECP, I expect more frequencies will be added early next year.
MCO is 4x daily (8x Saturday), RSW/TPA 3x daily (6x Saturday), FLL 2x daily (3x Saturday), SRQ 1x daily (3x Saturday)
Is MYR in the Schedule for next year?
ibthebigd wrote:Looking at Allegiant schedule for Saturday March 26th and April 2nd they are running 2X to most of there major Florida airports.
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BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
Midwestindy wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
I don't think AS will want to try IND-PDX until IND-SEA is 2x daily consistently
ibthebigd wrote:If you told me 5 years a go IND would have flights to Tuscon and Palm Springs but not SAN or PDX I'd laugh at you. Granted its Allegiant but still impressive.
Southwest showed IND-SAN could work. I even drove 3 hours to take the flight because it was timed perfectly.
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BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
pmanni1 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
PDX has always had spotty service to any city east of the Rockies that's not a hub. IND,MKE,CLE,CMH,CVG,PIT,MSY,RDU and even PHL and everything in Florida except MCO have no nonstops.
BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
I don't think AS will want to try IND-PDX until IND-SEA is 2x daily consistently
You're probably right but I feel it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
I think they could quite easily get to what they have in AUS, flying to pretty much all their existing hubs and focus cities. From the data we're seeing, loads on SEA flights are very good and AA has bulked up nicely, giving them a ready made customer base to tap into. AA's loads have been pretty solid across the board too, despite all the recent growth.
There are a few promising markets that are still competitive right now which smart airlines can have a lock on, and IND is one of them (in a way that BNA for example is not). Now's the time to make a move. But AS is always so damn conservative! Then again, I suppose their results speak for themselves. Oh well, we'll have to be patient I guess
ibthebigd wrote:If you told me 5 years a go IND would have flights to Tuscon and Palm Springs but not SAN or PDX I'd laugh at you. Granted its Allegiant but still impressive.
Southwest showed IND-SAN could work. I even drove 3 hours to take the flight because it was timed perfectly.
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FLYKTPA wrote:pmanni1 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Any chance we see AS expanding the route map? PDX, maybe SFO or SAN would be nice.
PDX has always had spotty service to any city east of the Rockies that's not a hub. IND,MKE,CLE,CMH,CVG,PIT,MSY,RDU and even PHL and everything in Florida except MCO have no nonstops.
FLL gets B6 and AS and TPA gets AS nonstop to PDX.
pmanni1 wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:pmanni1 wrote:PDX has always had spotty service to any city east of the Rockies that's not a hub. IND,MKE,CLE,CMH,CVG,PIT,MSY,RDU and even PHL and everything in Florida except MCO have no nonstops.
FLL gets B6 and AS and TPA gets AS nonstop to PDX.
You are correct about B6 to FLL but I don't see AS to TPA on the PDX or Alaska website.
Midwestindy wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
I don't think AS will want to try IND-PDX until IND-SEA is 2x daily consistently
You're probably right but I feel it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
I think they could quite easily get to what they have in AUS, flying to pretty much all their existing hubs and focus cities. From the data we're seeing, loads on SEA flights are very good and AA has bulked up nicely, giving them a ready made customer base to tap into. AA's loads have been pretty solid across the board too, despite all the recent growth.
There are a few promising markets that are still competitive right now which smart airlines can have a lock on, and IND is one of them (in a way that BNA for example is not). Now's the time to make a move. But AS is always so damn conservative! Then again, I suppose their results speak for themselves. Oh well, we'll have to be patient I guess
Don't forget AS/VX tried IND-SFO a few years ago, and it was cut.
I don't think AUS is a good comparison to IND in this scenario. Ignoring the larger West Coast ties AUS has, AUS, by nature of its geographic position would always have much more west coast service than IND due to less overflying of hubs and ability to use RJs.
If AS adds BNA-PDX, I'd say IND has a shot, until then I'd wager they'd prefer to allocate resources to IND-SEAibthebigd wrote:If you told me 5 years a go IND would have flights to Tuscon and Palm Springs but not SAN or PDX I'd laugh at you. Granted its Allegiant but still impressive.
Southwest showed IND-SAN could work. I even drove 3 hours to take the flight because it was timed perfectly.
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G4 is really beneficial for IND, they go after these unserved markets like IND-AUS/SRQ/VPS/etc, and years later there is tons of service on these routes. Plus, they don't leave after a year like F9 does, and they don't overpower markets like NK does and force other carriers out.
G4 does a good job of stimulating the market for others to come in, so would be good if they added IND-SAN/PDX. Neither seems far fetched considering they fly PDX-GRR and SAN-DSM.
BangersAndMash wrote:pmanni1 wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:
FLL gets B6 and AS and TPA gets AS nonstop to PDX.
You are correct about B6 to FLL but I don't see AS to TPA on the PDX or Alaska website.
Not flying yet but announced. Seasonal from December.
BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:
You're probably right but I feel it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
I think they could quite easily get to what they have in AUS, flying to pretty much all their existing hubs and focus cities. From the data we're seeing, loads on SEA flights are very good and AA has bulked up nicely, giving them a ready made customer base to tap into. AA's loads have been pretty solid across the board too, despite all the recent growth.
There are a few promising markets that are still competitive right now which smart airlines can have a lock on, and IND is one of them (in a way that BNA for example is not). Now's the time to make a move. But AS is always so damn conservative! Then again, I suppose their results speak for themselves. Oh well, we'll have to be patient I guess
Don't forget AS/VX tried IND-SFO a few years ago, and it was cut.
I don't think AUS is a good comparison to IND in this scenario. Ignoring the larger West Coast ties AUS has, AUS, by nature of its geographic position would always have much more west coast service than IND due to less overflying of hubs and ability to use RJs.
If AS adds BNA-PDX, I'd say IND has a shot, until then I'd wager they'd prefer to allocate resources to IND-SEAibthebigd wrote:If you told me 5 years a go IND would have flights to Tuscon and Palm Springs but not SAN or PDX I'd laugh at you. Granted its Allegiant but still impressive.
Southwest showed IND-SAN could work. I even drove 3 hours to take the flight because it was timed perfectly.
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G4 is really beneficial for IND, they go after these unserved markets like IND-AUS/SRQ/VPS/etc, and years later there is tons of service on these routes. Plus, they don't leave after a year like F9 does, and they don't overpower markets like NK does and force other carriers out.
G4 does a good job of stimulating the market for others to come in, so would be good if they added IND-SAN/PDX. Neither seems far fetched considering they fly PDX-GRR and SAN-DSM.
Not disputing any of your arguments, but I'd still like to see more from AS. While AUS/IND is not an apples to apples comparison, I agree, the 2 markets share the growth potential and have no dominant airline. Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.
FLYKTPA wrote:AS has continued to state their plans for SEA is to add more banks. Any airport on the east coast or Midwest supports at least 2x daily to SEA before getting another route. Hopefully IND can get 2x daily to SEA next year and go from there. Getting 2x to SEA appears to be their baseline for growing a market more.
BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:
You're probably right but I feel it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
I think they could quite easily get to what they have in AUS, flying to pretty much all their existing hubs and focus cities. From the data we're seeing, loads on SEA flights are very good and AA has bulked up nicely, giving them a ready made customer base to tap into. AA's loads have been pretty solid across the board too, despite all the recent growth.
There are a few promising markets that are still competitive right now which smart airlines can have a lock on, and IND is one of them (in a way that BNA for example is not). Now's the time to make a move. But AS is always so damn conservative! Then again, I suppose their results speak for themselves. Oh well, we'll have to be patient I guess
Don't forget AS/VX tried IND-SFO a few years ago, and it was cut.
I don't think AUS is a good comparison to IND in this scenario. Ignoring the larger West Coast ties AUS has, AUS, by nature of its geographic position would always have much more west coast service than IND due to less overflying of hubs and ability to use RJs.
If AS adds BNA-PDX, I'd say IND has a shot, until then I'd wager they'd prefer to allocate resources to IND-SEAibthebigd wrote:If you told me 5 years a go IND would have flights to Tuscon and Palm Springs but not SAN or PDX I'd laugh at you. Granted its Allegiant but still impressive.
Southwest showed IND-SAN could work. I even drove 3 hours to take the flight because it was timed perfectly.
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G4 is really beneficial for IND, they go after these unserved markets like IND-AUS/SRQ/VPS/etc, and years later there is tons of service on these routes. Plus, they don't leave after a year like F9 does, and they don't overpower markets like NK does and force other carriers out.
G4 does a good job of stimulating the market for others to come in, so would be good if they added IND-SAN/PDX. Neither seems far fetched considering they fly PDX-GRR and SAN-DSM.
Not disputing any of your arguments, but I'd still like to see more from AS. While AUS/IND is not an apples to apples comparison, I agree, the 2 markets share the growth potential and have no dominant airline. Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.
Midwestindy wrote:June 2021 Load Factors
West coast looking good
AS---Good possibility they might try 2x daily again
AS IND-SEA-94.3%
G4--- Surprised they are still running PBI, SAV also seems to be tough for them, great performance from BOS & LAX
--NEW ROUTE--G4 IND-BOS-88.8%
G4 IND-PIE-88.7%
--NEW ROUTE--G4 IND-LAX-88.1%
G4 IND-LAS-87.0%
G4 IND-SFB-85.4%
G4 IND-SRQ-84.8%
G4 IND-PGD-83.8%
G4 IND-MYR-82.3%
G4 IND-AUS-74.8%
G4 IND-FLL-74.0%
G4 IND-VPS-71.1%
G4 IND-SAV-66.1%
G4 IND-CHS-65.4%
G4 IND-PBI-59.6%
AA --- Great loads, wouldn't be surprised to see more from IND-MCO
AA IND-DFW-91.9%
AA IND-LAX-90.6%
AA IND-PHX-89.9%
AA IND-CLT-89.2%
--NEW ROUTE--AA IND-MCO-85.2%
AA IND-DCA-84.4%
AA IND-PHL-82.6%
AA IND-MIA-82.6%
DL
DL IND-LAX-88.4%
DL IND-ATL-86.7%
DL IND-MSP-85.1%
DL IND-DTW-75.2%
DL IND-JFK-66.5%
F9
F9 IND-DEN-85.9%
F9 IND-LAS-82.0%
F9 IND-MCO-81.2%
NK -- Spirit came in too hot in PNS, lots of bad LFs outside of IND, probably also needed more lead time
NK IND-MCO-93.0%
NK IND-LAS-88.8%
NK IND-FLL-87.4%
NK IND-RSW-81.7%
NK IND-TPA-77.4%
--NEW ROUTE--NK IND-PNS-39.4%
SY -- They need less IND-MSP and more IND-Florida
--NEW ROUTE--SY IND-MSP-66.9%
UA -- P2P not too bad, again only around 2 months of lead time to sell these, so all in all could have been much worse
UA IND-DEN-91.0%
UA IND-IAH-89.8%
UA IND-EWR-89.2%
UA IND-IAD-87.8%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-CHS-74.8%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-PWM-57.3%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-HHH-57.2%
WN -- ECP & MIA were announced one month in advance, so again not too bad
WN IND-DEN-93.1%
WN IND-LAS-92.9%
WN IND-PHX-90.7%
WN IND-RSW-90.5%
WN IND-DAL-90.1%
WN IND-AUS-89.8%
WN IND-HOU-88.6%
WN IND-TPA-87.0%
WN IND-BWI-85.6%
WN IND-MCO-84.0%
WN IND-ATL-82.9%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-MYR-75.6%
WN IND-FLL-69.2%
WN IND-SRQ-65.4%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-MIA-53.5%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-ECP-44.8%
AA+DL or AA+UA combined
IND-ORD-81.4%
IND-BOS-76.4%
IND-LGA-74.2%
clrd4t8koff wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
Don't forget AS/VX tried IND-SFO a few years ago, and it was cut.
I don't think AUS is a good comparison to IND in this scenario. Ignoring the larger West Coast ties AUS has, AUS, by nature of its geographic position would always have much more west coast service than IND due to less overflying of hubs and ability to use RJs.
If AS adds BNA-PDX, I'd say IND has a shot, until then I'd wager they'd prefer to allocate resources to IND-SEA
G4 is really beneficial for IND, they go after these unserved markets like IND-AUS/SRQ/VPS/etc, and years later there is tons of service on these routes. Plus, they don't leave after a year like F9 does, and they don't overpower markets like NK does and force other carriers out.
G4 does a good job of stimulating the market for others to come in, so would be good if they added IND-SAN/PDX. Neither seems far fetched considering they fly PDX-GRR and SAN-DSM.
Not disputing any of your arguments, but I'd still like to see more from AS. While AUS/IND is not an apples to apples comparison, I agree, the 2 markets share the growth potential and have no dominant airline. Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.
“ Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.”
I’m going to say this isn’t correct. The most promising Midwestern market for AS to invest resources would be STL. Over 2-million more annual passengers vs IND and OneWorld partner AA already has a large presence and still growing. After STL maybe IND.
filbrkz wrote:thanks! why are ORD, BOS and LGA combined (at the bottom)?Midwestindy wrote:June 2021 Load Factors
West coast looking good
AS---Good possibility they might try 2x daily again
AS IND-SEA-94.3%
G4--- Surprised they are still running PBI, SAV also seems to be tough for them, great performance from BOS & LAX
--NEW ROUTE--G4 IND-BOS-88.8%
G4 IND-PIE-88.7%
--NEW ROUTE--G4 IND-LAX-88.1%
G4 IND-LAS-87.0%
G4 IND-SFB-85.4%
G4 IND-SRQ-84.8%
G4 IND-PGD-83.8%
G4 IND-MYR-82.3%
G4 IND-AUS-74.8%
G4 IND-FLL-74.0%
G4 IND-VPS-71.1%
G4 IND-SAV-66.1%
G4 IND-CHS-65.4%
G4 IND-PBI-59.6%
AA --- Great loads, wouldn't be surprised to see more from IND-MCO
AA IND-DFW-91.9%
AA IND-LAX-90.6%
AA IND-PHX-89.9%
AA IND-CLT-89.2%
--NEW ROUTE--AA IND-MCO-85.2%
AA IND-DCA-84.4%
AA IND-PHL-82.6%
AA IND-MIA-82.6%
DL
DL IND-LAX-88.4%
DL IND-ATL-86.7%
DL IND-MSP-85.1%
DL IND-DTW-75.2%
DL IND-JFK-66.5%
F9
F9 IND-DEN-85.9%
F9 IND-LAS-82.0%
F9 IND-MCO-81.2%
NK -- Spirit came in too hot in PNS, lots of bad LFs outside of IND, probably also needed more lead time
NK IND-MCO-93.0%
NK IND-LAS-88.8%
NK IND-FLL-87.4%
NK IND-RSW-81.7%
NK IND-TPA-77.4%
--NEW ROUTE--NK IND-PNS-39.4%
SY -- They need less IND-MSP and more IND-Florida
--NEW ROUTE--SY IND-MSP-66.9%
UA -- P2P not too bad, again only around 2 months of lead time to sell these, so all in all could have been much worse
UA IND-DEN-91.0%
UA IND-IAH-89.8%
UA IND-EWR-89.2%
UA IND-IAD-87.8%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-CHS-74.8%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-PWM-57.3%
--NEW ROUTE--UA IND-HHH-57.2%
WN -- ECP & MIA were announced one month in advance, so again not too bad
WN IND-DEN-93.1%
WN IND-LAS-92.9%
WN IND-PHX-90.7%
WN IND-RSW-90.5%
WN IND-DAL-90.1%
WN IND-AUS-89.8%
WN IND-HOU-88.6%
WN IND-TPA-87.0%
WN IND-BWI-85.6%
WN IND-MCO-84.0%
WN IND-ATL-82.9%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-MYR-75.6%
WN IND-FLL-69.2%
WN IND-SRQ-65.4%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-MIA-53.5%
--NEW ROUTE--WN IND-ECP-44.8%
AA+DL or AA+UA combined
IND-ORD-81.4%
IND-BOS-76.4%
IND-LGA-74.2%
clrd4t8koff wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Midwestindy wrote:
Don't forget AS/VX tried IND-SFO a few years ago, and it was cut.
I don't think AUS is a good comparison to IND in this scenario. Ignoring the larger West Coast ties AUS has, AUS, by nature of its geographic position would always have much more west coast service than IND due to less overflying of hubs and ability to use RJs.
If AS adds BNA-PDX, I'd say IND has a shot, until then I'd wager they'd prefer to allocate resources to IND-SEA
G4 is really beneficial for IND, they go after these unserved markets like IND-AUS/SRQ/VPS/etc, and years later there is tons of service on these routes. Plus, they don't leave after a year like F9 does, and they don't overpower markets like NK does and force other carriers out.
G4 does a good job of stimulating the market for others to come in, so would be good if they added IND-SAN/PDX. Neither seems far fetched considering they fly PDX-GRR and SAN-DSM.
Not disputing any of your arguments, but I'd still like to see more from AS. While AUS/IND is not an apples to apples comparison, I agree, the 2 markets share the growth potential and have no dominant airline. Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.
“ Of all the Midwestern markets where AS could invest resources, IND is probably the most promising. And AS has been talking of becoming more of a national airline. Well there's your chance.”
I’m going to say this isn’t correct. The most promising Midwestern market for AS to invest resources would be STL. Over 2-million more annual passengers vs IND and OneWorld partner AA already has a large presence and still growing. After STL maybe IND.
ibthebigd wrote:Midwestindy, when will you have YTD passenger numbers I'm curious how IND is doing. Early in the year IND was ahead of SNA so I'm curious how IND is doing compared to SNA SAT CVG Ect
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