346fetish wrote:

Does anyone know the timeline for the remaining WS 787 deliveries?

Aresxerexade wrote:

Ed Sims leaves Westjet. It appears Onex is reshuffling its players at Westjet. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 66970.html

cirrusdragoon wrote:

Aresxerexade wrote:

Ed Sims leaves Westjet. It appears Onex is reshuffling its players at Westjet. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 66970.html

Is he remaining on some sort of advisory role? I was reading that he will still continue with Onex https://calgaryherald.com/business/loca ... eo-ed-sims

hollywoodcory wrote:

WS has again requested and obtained slots for DXB for W21. If my math is correct they've requested about 5x weekly.
Report lists destination as 'ZZF'. Its safe to assume it will either be YYC or YYZ. I wonder if an expanded codeshare with EK is in the works?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Jayce wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

WS has again requested and obtained slots for DXB for W21. If my math is correct they've requested about 5x weekly.
Report lists destination as 'ZZF'. Its safe to assume it will either be YYC or YYZ. I wonder if an expanded codeshare with EK is in the works?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Is there enough demand for YYC-DXB? Keeping in mind that they would use YYC as a connecting hub and many people transfer through DXB to the Indian subcontinent, wouldn’t people prefer a one-stop option vs two? I would think YYZ or YVR is a better bet, but that’s just my two cents.

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

alfa164 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

777luver wrote:

alfa164 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?

777luver wrote:

alfa164 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?

hollywoodcory wrote:

777luver wrote:

alfa164 wrote:

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?

KLM currently flies to YYC, but current government restrictions are preventing them from flying to YEG. I believe the triangle AMS-YYC-YEG is planned to resume in late July.

alfa164 wrote:

777luver wrote:

alfa164 wrote:

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?

They do fly from Calgary, but not every day, leaving YYC about 3:00 in the afternoon, and arriving AMS about 8:00 am local time. I am not sure which days they fly it, or if the Westjet flights might be flying on days KLM doesn't take the trip.

UPDATE: It looks like KLM does not fly the route on Thursdays, so the Westjet flight on that day will be taking advantage of that opening.

alfa164 wrote:

777luver wrote:

alfa164 wrote:

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?

They do fly from Calgary, but not every day, leaving YYC about 3:00 in the afternoon, and arriving AMS about 8:00 am local time. I am not sure which days they fly it, or if the Westjet flights might be flying on days KLM doesn't take the trip.

UPDATE: It looks like KLM does not fly the route on Thursdays, so the Westjet flight on that day will be taking advantage of that opening.

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

NZ321 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

Whiteguy wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.

NZ321 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.

777luver wrote:

NZ321 wrote:

777luver wrote:

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.

Because not everyone has knowledge of Westjets strategy? Or what they are trying to do in terms of expanding their network/codeshares/slots? No one said this is a bad choice either

Whiteguy wrote:

This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.

factsonly wrote:

Below the September 2021 schedule for 10x weekly joint WS/KL service YYC-AMS-YYC:

KL679 YYC 15.15 - 07.50+1 AMS A333 Daily (Thu, Sat via YEG)
WS20 YYC 20:55 - 13:30+1 AMS 789 Thu, Sat, Sun

KL677 AMS 12.15 - 13.15 YYC A333 Daily non-stop
WS21 AMS 15:30 - 16:15 YYC 789 Mon, Fri, Sun

Thenoflyzone wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.

I think I read similar wording in an LHR document a few months back in ref. to these ad-hoc slots. Using them would move you up the waiting list. I could be wrong though.

Either way, both these airports have huge waiting lists, and you will never get the timings and/or frequencies you want waiting it out this way. If you want in - properly - you need to pay up.

Whiteguy wrote:

With the AMS slots, if the company uses them you get moved up higher on the list to obtain permanent slots.

PANAMsterdam wrote:

Love seeing new airlines with “sexy flight numbers” at AMS! WS21 is so much cooler than HV5791

vedatil4 wrote:

I remember WestJet offered flights from San Diego to Europe via Calgary before the pandemic. But at the time I wondered if I would have to go through Canadian immigrations and customs there. I remember this not being made clear on their webpage (ditto for Air Canada via Toronto). Would someone explain? Does Canada have an "in-transit" type deal at both airports for people in-country just for a few hours to catch a flight? What I gathered back then is that they have a Canadian immigration official just making sure you have a passport before boarding the plane but not actually checking the passport to make sure you're admissible into Canada.

Airontario wrote:

vedatil4 wrote:

I remember WestJet offered flights from San Diego to Europe via Calgary before the pandemic. But at the time I wondered if I would have to go through Canadian immigrations and customs there. I remember this not being made clear on their webpage (ditto for Air Canada via Toronto). Would someone explain? Does Canada have an "in-transit" type deal at both airports for people in-country just for a few hours to catch a flight? What I gathered back then is that they have a Canadian immigration official just making sure you have a passport before boarding the plane but not actually checking the passport to make sure you're admissible into Canada.

You're understanding it correctly. Passengers traveling from an international flight to an international flight do not have to fully enter Canada. There's a cursory check for documents, but that's about it. It's a large part of ACs (and I assume WSs business plan).

CrewBunk wrote:

vedatil4 wrote:

Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.

Pre-covid, Air Canada had a huge (read that HUGE) transfer operation through its YVR, YYZ and YUL hubs. It offered US to International and reverse, as well as International to International operations. When designed, approval and terminal construction were required from both the airport authorities as well as Customs/Immigration.

For example, a passenger could arrive from Europe to YYZ, bypass Canadian Customs and go right fast-track to US Preclearance. Bags did NOT have to be transferred by the passenger. A one hour connection was possible. International to International (as you mentioned Mexico) was even easier as no Customs had to be cleared. Just a passport check by a dedicated team of officers and right back to the international departure area, staying in the sterile area the whole time.

I am not sure about Westjet, but Air Canada (and it’s partners) were able to offer this due to the design of Terminal One in YYZ. (As well as YVR and YUL). I understand it presently is not possible at Westjet’s Terminal Three in YYZ. Maybe at YYC it is possible.

If when booking, a short connection is offered .... then it is approved. And barring unusual circumstances, Air Canada accepts responsibility for the connection. Within Air Canada’s operation is a department entitled Customer Journey Management that is monitoring all connections and adjusts things as required. I have oftened received data-links from CJM advising of a change in plans, and to advise the Passenger of the new plans. It’s slick to watch in operation.

It is very popular for exactly the situation you require. Not just avoiding US Customs/Immigration but also fast connections are possible. Try a 1 hour connection at JFK or MIA!

CrewBunk wrote:

vedatil4 wrote:

Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.

Pre-covid, Air Canada had a huge (read that HUGE) transfer operation through its YVR, YYZ and YUL hubs. It offered US to International and reverse, as well as International to International operations. When designed, approval and terminal construction were required from both the airport authorities as well as Customs/Immigration.

For example, a passenger could arrive from Europe to YYZ, bypass Canadian Customs and go right fast-track to US Preclearance. Bags did NOT have to be transferred by the passenger. A one hour connection was possible. International to International (as you mentioned Mexico) was even easier as no Customs had to be cleared. Just a passport check by a dedicated team of officers and right back to the international departure area, staying in the sterile area the whole time.

I am not sure about Westjet, but Air Canada (and it’s partners) were able to offer this due to the design of Terminal One in YYZ. (As well as YVR and YUL). I understand it presently is not possible at Westjet’s Terminal Three in YYZ. Maybe at YYC it is possible.

If when booking, a short connection is offered .... then it is approved. And barring unusual circumstances, Air Canada accepts responsibility for the connection. Within Air Canada’s operation is a department entitled Customer Journey Management that is monitoring all connections and adjusts things as required. I have oftened received data-links from CJM advising of a change in plans, and to advise the Passenger of the new plans. It’s slick to watch in operation.

It is very popular for exactly the situation you require. Not just avoiding US Customs/Immigration but also fast connections are possible. Try a 1 hour connection at JFK or MIA!