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346fetish
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 3:08 pm

Does anyone know the timeline for the remaining WS 787 deliveries?
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Fri May 14, 2021 4:28 pm

346fetish wrote:
Does anyone know the timeline for the remaining WS 787 deliveries?


Probably not till fall or early next year....
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 5:24 pm

Looking at the June update in the OAG, I see a fairly decent increase in domestic flying towards the end of June. Routes like YYC-YXU/YQGYXH/YXY/YXS appears to be back (I'm sure there is lots of other ones).

International/US is still pretty minimal, but YYZ will now have the higher number of flights. Not seeing any increases leading into July (that I've noticed).

YYC-PHX 2x weekly
YYC-PSP 1x weekly
YYC-PVR 1x weekly

YYZ-LGW 2x weekly
YYZ-RSW 1x weekly
YYZ-CUN 1x weekly
YYZ-MBJ 1x weekly
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm

Over the weekend, WS extended its schedule beyond April 30, 2022. The prelim S22 is basically the same as what was planned for S20 before COVID messed it up. Though it looks like YHZ-CDG got re-numbered to WS42/43. It previously used flight numbers 80/81. All of the routes dropped this summer so far, all appear scheduled next year.

Maybe third time's the charm for YYC-FCO, scheduled to start May 7/22.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:36 pm

Ed Sims leaves Westjet. It appears Onex is reshuffling its players at Westjet. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 66970.html
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:19 pm

Aresxerexade wrote:
Ed Sims leaves Westjet. It appears Onex is reshuffling its players at Westjet. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 66970.html


Is he remaining on some sort of advisory role? I was reading that he will still continue with Onex https://calgaryherald.com/business/loca ... eo-ed-sims
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:12 pm

cirrusdragoon wrote:
Aresxerexade wrote:
Ed Sims leaves Westjet. It appears Onex is reshuffling its players at Westjet. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 66970.html


Is he remaining on some sort of advisory role? I was reading that he will still continue with Onex https://calgaryherald.com/business/loca ... eo-ed-sims


Press release says he is returning to New Zeeland but remaining in an advisory role with Onex.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:04 pm

Looks like WS has begun updating its winter schedule.

787-9 Scheduled on the following routes:
YYC-CUN/PVR/OGG
YYZ-CUN/MBJ
Possibly more.

YYC-HNL is now scheduled daily 7M8.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:38 pm

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-06-1 ... his-winter

WS also adding weekly YYC-LIH/KOA, and 789 service on YVR-OGG. Release doesn't mention the Mexico / Jamaica 787 flights.

WS1880 YYC 13:30 - 17:27 KOA 7M8 Sundays
WS1881 KOA 11:30 - 20:57 YYC 7M8 Mondays

WS1888 YYC 14:00 - 18:06 LIH 7M8 Sundays
WS1889 LIH 12:00 - 21:22 YYC 7M8 Mondays

Additionally OGG/HNL-YYC are now mostly daytime departures rather than red-eyes.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:49 pm

The Winter initial slot requests have been published:

WS has again requested and obtained slots for DXB for W21. If my math is correct they've requested about 5x weekly.
Report lists destination as 'ZZF'. Its safe to assume it will either be YYC or YYZ. I wonder if an expanded codeshare with EK is in the works?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

They also requested LHR slots and once again were denied all of them. (They made the right choice not launching LHR using temporary slots.)
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Again if my math is correct (it usually isn't) they obtained enough for about 2x daily for LGW
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf
This report specifically mentions an increase on YYC, so maybe it's planned daily?
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:24 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
WS has again requested and obtained slots for DXB for W21. If my math is correct they've requested about 5x weekly.
Report lists destination as 'ZZF'. Its safe to assume it will either be YYC or YYZ. I wonder if an expanded codeshare with EK is in the works?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf


Is there enough demand for YYC-DXB? Keeping in mind that they would use YYC as a connecting hub and many people transfer through DXB to the Indian subcontinent, wouldn’t people prefer a one-stop option vs two? I would think YYZ or YVR is a better bet, but that’s just my two cents.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:15 am

Jayce wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
WS has again requested and obtained slots for DXB for W21. If my math is correct they've requested about 5x weekly.
Report lists destination as 'ZZF'. Its safe to assume it will either be YYC or YYZ. I wonder if an expanded codeshare with EK is in the works?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf


Is there enough demand for YYC-DXB? Keeping in mind that they would use YYC as a connecting hub and many people transfer through DXB to the Indian subcontinent, wouldn’t people prefer a one-stop option vs two? I would think YYZ or YVR is a better bet, but that’s just my two cents.


YYZ/YYC are WS' primary hubs. If they launch DXB it will be from either of them (with YYZ being the obvious frontrunner). It's possible this could come with an expanded codeshare with EK, giving them additional access to Western Canada, especially after they lost the codeshare with Alaska.

Time will tell what develops. They still haven't even updated their July schedule yet.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:37 am

I spoke too soon. They've filed the July 5-August 4 update tonight in the OAG.

Looks like LAX, ATL, LAS, MCO, KIN, OGG are all planned to resume along with YYC-LGW / CUN. Also looks like RSW is being dropped?

Unless my eyes are deceiving me but upwards of 4x weekly YYC-LAS towards the end of July seems a little aggressive. I know the feds said that fully vaccinated folks won't need to quarantine starting at some point in July, but still.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:20 pm

 
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WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:24 pm

WestJet announced this morning 2x weekly seasonal service YYC-AMS starting August 5, increasing to 3x weekly in September.

Planned under the following schedule:
WS20 YYC 20:55 - 13:30+1 AMS 789 47
WS21 AMS 15:30 - 16:15 YYC 789 15

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-06-1 ... om-Calgary
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:04 pm

I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:11 pm

777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:21 pm

alfa164 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.


Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:24 pm

777luver wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.


Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?


KLM currently flies to YYC, but current government restrictions are preventing them from flying to YEG. I believe the triangle AMS-YYC-YEG is planned to resume in late July.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:27 pm

777luver wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?


They do fly from Calgary, but not every day, leaving YYC about 3:00 in the afternoon, and arriving AMS about 8:00 am local time. I am not sure which days they fly it, or if the Westjet flights might be flying on days KLM doesn't take the trip.

UPDATE: It looks like KLM does not fly the route on Thursdays, so the Westjet flight on that day will be taking advantage of that opening.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:32 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
777luver wrote:
alfa164 wrote:

Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.


Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?


KLM currently flies to YYC, but current government restrictions are preventing them from flying to YEG. I believe the triangle AMS-YYC-YEG is planned to resume in late July.


Thanks for the info
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:33 pm

alfa164 wrote:
777luver wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?


They do fly from Calgary, but not every day, leaving YYC about 3:00 in the afternoon, and arriving AMS about 8:00 am local time. I am not sure which days they fly it, or if the Westjet flights might be flying on days KLM doesn't take the trip.

UPDATE: It looks like KLM does not fly the route on Thursdays, so the Westjet flight on that day will be taking advantage of that opening.


Thanks for the info!
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:40 pm

alfa164 wrote:
777luver wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
Westjet and KLM codeshare; I would bet this will be a codeshare flight, even though its timing is limited to later connections in AMS.

Aah okay that makes sense. Thanks. Doesn't klm serve yyc/yeg? Or is that postponed for now?


They do fly from Calgary, but not every day, leaving YYC about 3:00 in the afternoon, and arriving AMS about 8:00 am local time. I am not sure which days they fly it, or if the Westjet flights might be flying on days KLM doesn't take the trip.

UPDATE: It looks like KLM does not fly the route on Thursdays, so the Westjet flight on that day will be taking advantage of that opening.


KLM flies YYC-AMS Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Fridays. Currently in August they also have Thursdays and Saturdays that stops in YEG.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:58 pm

Just noticed , in the briefing , Convenient connections are available via Amsterdam to dozens of world-class destinations, including Athens, Berlin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, Madrid, Manchester, Milan, Munich, Vienna, Venice and more.

Very nice
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:05 pm

777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:09 pm

NZ321 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.


They already operate to Paris.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:19 pm

777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:29 pm

It appears that it is more geared to connect WS customers at YYC, the timing if I am not mistaken works for Western Canada/US flights. Not dissimilar to their CDG offering. The connections beyond AMS are Europe-centric, KL's flight out of YYC covers Africa and Middle East, and India.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:30 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.


Okay that makes sense
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:32 pm

I remember WestJet offered flights from San Diego to Europe via Calgary before the pandemic. But at the time I wondered if I would have to go through Canadian immigrations and customs there. I remember this not being made clear on their webpage (ditto for Air Canada via Toronto). Would someone explain? Does Canada have an "in-transit" type deal at both airports for people in-country just for a few hours to catch a flight? What I gathered back then is that they have a Canadian immigration official just making sure you have a passport before boarding the plane but not actually checking the passport to make sure you're admissible into Canada.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:33 pm

NZ321 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.


Because not everyone has knowledge of Westjets strategy? Or what they are trying to do in terms of expanding their network/codeshares/slots? No one said this is a bad choice either
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:35 pm

Love seeing new airlines with “sexy flight numbers” at AMS! WS21 is so much cooler than HV5791
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:38 pm

I will enjoy this, I am currently in Berlin and AMS right now , great will try it out for sure when I am allowed to.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:41 pm

777luver wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
777luver wrote:
I don't understand this route. Are they trying to capture West coast connections or something? KLM serves YVR. Confusing.


WestJet are aligning with DL, KL and Sky Team in general. What's confusing about adding Amsterdam? Could somebody enlighten me re why this would be a bad choice? Indeed, Paris could be next! I'd say, keep an open mind on this one... further developments pending for sure.


Because not everyone has knowledge of Westjets strategy? Or what they are trying to do in terms of expanding their network/codeshares/slots? No one said this is a bad choice either


Haha . And you truly wont ever be privy to that , that would be too easy to give out trade secrets to the competition. Your guess will always be as good as the next aviation enthusiast.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:27 pm

The WS announcement is a classic example of two partners (WS/KL) expanding their hub-to-hub bridge flights to strenghten their network synergies.
As KL already offers an extensive codeshare network on WS beyond YYC, I expect WS in due time to offer an extensive codeshare network on KL beyond AMS to Europe, Africa, Middle East and Asia.
From 2022 this cooperation will no doubt grow, similar to how NW/KL and DL/KL have grown to multimple daily hub-hub flights: ATL-AMS, BOS-AMS, JFK-AMS, MSP-AMS, DTW-AMS, SEA-AMS, SLC-AMS, etc.

Below the September 2021 schedule for 10x weekly joint WS/KL service YYC-AMS-YYC:

KL679 YYC 15.15 - 07.50+1 AMS A333 Daily (Thu, Sat via YEG)
WS20 YYC 20:55 - 13:30+1 AMS 789 Thu, Sat, Sun

KL677 AMS 12.15 - 13.15 YYC A333 Daily non-stop
WS21 AMS 15:30 - 16:15 YYC 789 Mon, Fri, Sun

It reminds me of the olden days when KLM and CP Air operated an extensive network between Canada-Netherlands and beyond.





Source: KL/WS
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:31 pm

Whiteguy wrote:

This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.


I think I read similar wording in an LHR document a few months back in ref. to these ad-hoc slots. Using them would move you up the waiting list. I could be wrong though.

Either way, both these airports have huge waiting lists, and you will never get the timings and/or frequencies you want waiting it out this way. If you want in - properly - you need to pay up.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:09 pm

Was also reading this will increase to three times weekly as of September 9. nice
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:38 am

factsonly wrote:
Below the September 2021 schedule for 10x weekly joint WS/KL service YYC-AMS-YYC:

KL679 YYC 15.15 - 07.50+1 AMS A333 Daily (Thu, Sat via YEG)
WS20 YYC 20:55 - 13:30+1 AMS 789 Thu, Sat, Sun

KL677 AMS 12.15 - 13.15 YYC A333 Daily non-stop
WS21 AMS 15:30 - 16:15 YYC 789 Mon, Fri, Sun


It is interesting that two-of-the-three days WS is flying nonstop are days that KL makes a stop (in YEG) along the way.

Smart move, I think!
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:29 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

This will benefit WS in the long term. Using the AMS slots will move WS up on the list to receive permanent slots. This is slightly different then the LHR slots they had, they were also seasonal but using them did not guarantee them on the list for permanent slots.


I think I read similar wording in an LHR document a few months back in ref. to these ad-hoc slots. Using them would move you up the waiting list. I could be wrong though.

Either way, both these airports have huge waiting lists, and you will never get the timings and/or frequencies you want waiting it out this way. If you want in - properly - you need to pay up.


My understanding with the LHR slots is that using them doesn’t help with being to obtain more permanent slots. More have become available and WS has obtained them at least twice no. There’s no desire to start flights and then have to move them back to LGW after the season is over. With the AMS slots, if the company uses them you get moved up higher on the list to obtain permanent slots. No guarantee of course but a much be chance then LHR. Obviously WS believes the odds are their favor to get more slots.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:04 am

What's WestJet's international cargo business like these days? I imagine starting a route to AMS could be partially driven by cargo demand.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:55 am

Is there any information whether KL and WS will add codeshare flight numbers to their respective flights?
Furthermore I am surprised that at least right now, WS is offering much cheaper fares from AMS than KL. What advantage would KL have with such a situation?
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:50 am

Whiteguy wrote:

With the AMS slots, if the company uses them you get moved up higher on the list to obtain permanent slots.


There are plenty of slots available at AMS.

Just from the demise of the UK's FlyBe (5th largest carrier at AMS in 2019) and Austria's Level Europe - both due to Corona - close to 15.000 slots have become available at AMS.
Other airlines have downsized, so for the coming scheduling seasons AMS slots are not a problem.

AMS has seen a number of new carriers in recent months;
- Vietnam Airlines
- Mongolian Airlines
- Kuwait Airways
- WestJet
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:02 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
Love seeing new airlines with “sexy flight numbers” at AMS! WS21 is so much cooler than HV5791

This place gets weirder and weirder as time goes on. :lol:
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:06 pm

vedatil4 wrote:
I remember WestJet offered flights from San Diego to Europe via Calgary before the pandemic. But at the time I wondered if I would have to go through Canadian immigrations and customs there. I remember this not being made clear on their webpage (ditto for Air Canada via Toronto). Would someone explain? Does Canada have an "in-transit" type deal at both airports for people in-country just for a few hours to catch a flight? What I gathered back then is that they have a Canadian immigration official just making sure you have a passport before boarding the plane but not actually checking the passport to make sure you're admissible into Canada.


You're understanding it correctly. Passengers traveling from an international flight to an international flight do not have to fully enter Canada. There's a cursory check for documents, but that's about it. It's a large part of ACs (and I assume WSs business plan).
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:45 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if WS added YYC-ICN, lots of connections on KE and WS was interested in KE being their ideal trans-pacific JV partner. Also YYC has a decent Korean Canadian or Asian Canadian population that could fill up the flights, ICN has connections to everywhere in Asia. This gives an option avoiding YVR or SEA transits.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:58 am

Airontario wrote:
vedatil4 wrote:
I remember WestJet offered flights from San Diego to Europe via Calgary before the pandemic. But at the time I wondered if I would have to go through Canadian immigrations and customs there. I remember this not being made clear on their webpage (ditto for Air Canada via Toronto). Would someone explain? Does Canada have an "in-transit" type deal at both airports for people in-country just for a few hours to catch a flight? What I gathered back then is that they have a Canadian immigration official just making sure you have a passport before boarding the plane but not actually checking the passport to make sure you're admissible into Canada.


You're understanding it correctly. Passengers traveling from an international flight to an international flight do not have to fully enter Canada. There's a cursory check for documents, but that's about it. It's a large part of ACs (and I assume WSs business plan).


Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.
 
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Re: The WestJet Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:33 pm

Some winter increases during peak periods:

YYC-LTO 2x weekly (from 1x weekly)
YYC-LIR 4x weekly (from 3x weekly)
YYC-VRA 3x weekly (from 2x weekly)

Also YYC-DUB & YHZ-LGW have been cancelled for the rest of the year, now planned to resume in May 2022. YVR-LGW is still scheduled from August, but I suspect it will also get dropped in a future update.

YYC-CDG is the mystery one. Still scheduled from August 5, but It wasn't mentioned in the AMS presser, while LGW was so maybe they are not going to fly it this year?
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:05 pm

vedatil4 wrote:
Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.

Pre-covid, Air Canada had a huge (read that HUGE) transfer operation through its YVR, YYZ and YUL hubs. It offered US to International and reverse, as well as International to International operations. When designed, approval and terminal construction were required from both the airport authorities as well as Customs/Immigration.

For example, a passenger could arrive from Europe to YYZ, bypass Canadian Customs and go right fast-track to US Preclearance. Bags did NOT have to be transferred by the passenger. A one hour connection was possible. International to International (as you mentioned Mexico) was even easier as no Customs had to be cleared. Just a passport check by a dedicated team of officers and right back to the international departure area, staying in the sterile area the whole time.

I am not sure about Westjet, but Air Canada (and it’s partners) were able to offer this due to the design of Terminal One in YYZ. (As well as YVR and YUL). I understand it presently is not possible at Westjet’s Terminal Three in YYZ. Maybe at YYC it is possible.

If when booking, a short connection is offered .... then it is approved. And barring unusual circumstances, Air Canada accepts responsibility for the connection. Within Air Canada’s operation is a department entitled Customer Journey Management that is monitoring all connections and adjusts things as required. I have oftened received data-links from CJM advising of a change in plans, and to advise the Passenger of the new plans. It’s slick to watch in operation.

It is very popular for exactly the situation you require. Not just avoiding US Customs/Immigration but also fast connections are possible. Try a 1 hour connection at JFK or MIA!
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:19 pm

CrewBunk wrote:
vedatil4 wrote:
Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.

Pre-covid, Air Canada had a huge (read that HUGE) transfer operation through its YVR, YYZ and YUL hubs. It offered US to International and reverse, as well as International to International operations. When designed, approval and terminal construction were required from both the airport authorities as well as Customs/Immigration.

For example, a passenger could arrive from Europe to YYZ, bypass Canadian Customs and go right fast-track to US Preclearance. Bags did NOT have to be transferred by the passenger. A one hour connection was possible. International to International (as you mentioned Mexico) was even easier as no Customs had to be cleared. Just a passport check by a dedicated team of officers and right back to the international departure area, staying in the sterile area the whole time.

I am not sure about Westjet, but Air Canada (and it’s partners) were able to offer this due to the design of Terminal One in YYZ. (As well as YVR and YUL). I understand it presently is not possible at Westjet’s Terminal Three in YYZ. Maybe at YYC it is possible.

If when booking, a short connection is offered .... then it is approved. And barring unusual circumstances, Air Canada accepts responsibility for the connection. Within Air Canada’s operation is a department entitled Customer Journey Management that is monitoring all connections and adjusts things as required. I have oftened received data-links from CJM advising of a change in plans, and to advise the Passenger of the new plans. It’s slick to watch in operation.

It is very popular for exactly the situation you require. Not just avoiding US Customs/Immigration but also fast connections are possible. Try a 1 hour connection at JFK or MIA!


Thank you so much for the explanation! :-)

The next time I fly to Europe I'll consider AirCanada. If they throw in a few maple cookies in-transit, I may become a solid customer. :-)

I had a bad experience in Atlanta coming back from Europe once. I was grilled for having an obviously airport store-bought, sealed, sandwich back from Spain. I tried to just throw it away but they put me in secondary. I was treated as if I had been carrying a live pig in my bag. I'm OK with paying AirCanada a little extra even to avoid that possibility. I can't imagine how rough USA I&C can be with foreigners at JFK or MIA.
 
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Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:22 pm

CrewBunk wrote:
vedatil4 wrote:
Both Westjet and Air Canada need to make the in-transit process clearer for people in the US or Mexico considering buying tickets. It's hard to tell how much time is needed between connecting flights.

Because the US requires a visa and full immigration and customs process when catching a connecting flight, lots of people I know in Mexico would much rather catch that connecting flight in Canada.

As an example, an acquaintance of mine flew from Mexico City to Belize connecting via Dallas and got grilled by US authorities. She swore never again. That kind of traveler would likely choose connecting in Canada to get to Asia or Europe.

Pre-covid, Air Canada had a huge (read that HUGE) transfer operation through its YVR, YYZ and YUL hubs. It offered US to International and reverse, as well as International to International operations. When designed, approval and terminal construction were required from both the airport authorities as well as Customs/Immigration.

For example, a passenger could arrive from Europe to YYZ, bypass Canadian Customs and go right fast-track to US Preclearance. Bags did NOT have to be transferred by the passenger. A one hour connection was possible. International to International (as you mentioned Mexico) was even easier as no Customs had to be cleared. Just a passport check by a dedicated team of officers and right back to the international departure area, staying in the sterile area the whole time.

I am not sure about Westjet, but Air Canada (and it’s partners) were able to offer this due to the design of Terminal One in YYZ. (As well as YVR and YUL). I understand it presently is not possible at Westjet’s Terminal Three in YYZ. Maybe at YYC it is possible.

If when booking, a short connection is offered .... then it is approved. And barring unusual circumstances, Air Canada accepts responsibility for the connection. Within Air Canada’s operation is a department entitled Customer Journey Management that is monitoring all connections and adjusts things as required. I have oftened received data-links from CJM advising of a change in plans, and to advise the Passenger of the new plans. It’s slick to watch in operation.

It is very popular for exactly the situation you require. Not just avoiding US Customs/Immigration but also fast connections are possible. Try a 1 hour connection at JFK or MIA!


Pre-COVID WS was starting to do this at YYC. They had a evening Transborder departure bank to places like LAX, SFO, LAS, PDX, PHX with early afternoon arrivals. The newly built international terminal made those connections possible. And it's the same thing, Europe-YYC-US would bypass Canada customs and go straight to US Preclearance. In the other direction, you would clear an expedited Canada customs (mostly scan your passport and go) and then go to the international gate area. There was some limited connections to and from Delta flights as well.

AC also had a good amount of US connectors on its YYC-NRT flights too.
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