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hollywoodcory wrote:I think so. I know ATS took over below the wing for WestJet at YYC.
Whiteguy wrote:Looks like YYC-HNL is switching to a B73W starting Jan 10th.
cirrusdragoon wrote:Whiteguy wrote:Looks like YYC-HNL is switching to a B73W starting Jan 10th.
I wonder how much of a seat capacity reduction it will require to allow for it? I wonder when Canada’s transport authority will clear the 7M8 back. Huff puff..
Whiteguy wrote:cirrusdragoon wrote:Whiteguy wrote:Looks like YYC-HNL is switching to a B73W starting Jan 10th.
I wonder how much of a seat capacity reduction it will require to allow for it? I wonder when Canada’s transport authority will clear the 7M8 back. Huff puff..
It gets reduced to about 110 seats, I don’t think loads are anywhere near that so won’t be an issue. I think the MAX restriction will be lifted in the next week or 2 but doubt you’ll see it on Hawaii this season. The plan is Jan 21st to start operating and probably on trans con routes where there are multiple flights. This will enable pax to change their flights if they don’t want to fly the MAX. I’m guessing it’ll be a higher percentage changing for the first couple months and then it’ll drop off. Once it drops the MAX will start operating different routes, maybe the direct Hawaii’s.
dr1980 wrote:
Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Cardude100000 wrote:Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Do you have any resources to back up the claim that current vaccines are less effective on this new variant?
There is no evidence proving the new variant is more deadly and most viruses when mutating become more viral and come with milder illnesses than the previous strain as stated in this article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... ss-lethal/
Cardude100000 wrote:Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Do you have any resources to back up the claim that current vaccines are less effective on this new variant?
There is no evidence proving the new variant is more deadly and most viruses when mutating become more viral and come with milder illnesses than the previous strain as stated in this article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... ss-lethal/
Aresxerexade wrote:Cardude100000 wrote:Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Do you have any resources to back up the claim that current vaccines are less effective on this new variant?
There is no evidence proving the new variant is more deadly and most viruses when mutating become more viral and come with milder illnesses than the previous strain as stated in this article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... ss-lethal/
I never stated more deadly , I stated aggressive in transmission. It is common knowledge, if you follow current events , read the news . However here I will do your work for you.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55534727
And perhaps you can ask the researchers in South Africa if they have completed their analysis yet on that question you have. They are the ones who raised the concern , a valid one. It is a scientifically valid question, could this new strain pose a threat to the new vaccines?
Dr. John Bell of Oxford Universitysaid Sunday the variant identified in South Africa was worrisome in this regard, however.
“They both have multiple, different mutations in them, so they’re not a single mutation,” he told Times Radio. “And the mutations associated with the South African form are really pretty substantial changes in the structure of the (virus’ spike) protein.”
In any regard, the true caveat here is controlling the rate of spread of the virus around the world as well as containing any new variants and preventing them from spreading around the world. Good science. If you do not control the rate of spread well then your rate of infection will most certainly go up and what do you think that affects? Mortality rate amongst the most vulnerable.
What is not scientifically sound is when , the voice of industry greed , in a country like Canada where the virus is still raging along, begins crying foul on scientific measures , attempting to diminish the severity of a situation , calling it “sensationalism” in order to serve their own greedy needs. It is called having open media, knowledge is power not censorship. Chinais a professional with censoring concerns to their people, the West should not follow suit . Denial of facts is such a dangerous tool and you do not need a news source to back that statement up!
777luver wrote:Airlines slamming Ottawa for a lack of consultation and clarity..doubt it'll change anything though
https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... -19-tests/
Aresxerexade wrote:Cardude100000 wrote:Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Do you have any resources to back up the claim that current vaccines are less effective on this new variant?
There is no evidence proving the new variant is more deadly and most viruses when mutating become more viral and come with milder illnesses than the previous strain as stated in this article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... ss-lethal/
I never stated more deadly , I stated aggressive in transmission. It is common knowledge, if you follow current events , read the news . However here I will do your work for you.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55534727
And perhaps you can ask the researchers in South Africa if they have completed their analysis yet on that question you have. They are the ones who raised the concern , a valid one. It is a scientifically valid question, could this new strain pose a threat to the new vaccines?
Dr. John Bell of Oxford Universitysaid Sunday the variant identified in South Africa was worrisome in this regard, however.
“They both have multiple, different mutations in them, so they’re not a single mutation,” he told Times Radio. “And the mutations associated with the South African form are really pretty substantial changes in the structure of the (virus’ spike) protein.”
In any regard, the true caveat here is controlling the rate of spread of the virus around the world as well as containing any new variants and preventing them from spreading around the world. Good science. If you do not control the rate of spread well then your rate of infection will most certainly go up and what do you think that affects? Mortality rate amongst the most vulnerable.
What is not scientifically sound is when , the voice of industry greed , in a country like Canada where the virus is still raging along, begins crying foul on scientific measures , attempting to diminish the severity of a situation , calling it “sensationalism” in order to serve their own greedy needs. It is called having open media, knowledge is power not censorship. Chinais a professional with censoring concerns to their people, the West should not follow suit . Denial of facts is such a dangerous tool and you do not need a news source to back that statement up!
Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
Airlinerdude wrote:Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
In a perfect world we could have told the entire world to stay home for two or three weeks and eradicated the virus too. Unfortunately the reality is that we have to manage a trade-off between economics and peoples' health and welfare. I'm not personally in favour of destroying an entire industry when there are perfectly adequate ways of managing potential exposure and/or transmission.
Unfortunately, what we have seen is that the Canadian government has not realized that there are perfectly adequate ways of managing potential exposure/transmission, and would rather penalize the industry instead of finding a happy medium. What I have noticed empirically from passenger loads data is that wherever efforts have been made to lessen the inconvenience to travel, passengers demand will be higher. While that might seem logical, it doesn't appear that the Canadian government has made any attempts over the last 10-months to make travel any more convenient. Instead, they'd rather further implement ridiculous measures that make travel less convenient to starve the airlines even further of much needed revenue.
Even a 5-day quarantine with a covid-test on the 5th day, à la Germany/UK, seemed a much more sensible approach to reducing the burden of international travel, while still making health/safety of Canadians the primary focus, than the current 14-day quarantine. Such a system (even if the consumer incurred an additional minor cost to have the test) would have likely spurred some much needed passenger growth for the airlines, while still remaining equally as safe as the current measures.
MIflyer12 wrote:777luver wrote:Airlines slamming Ottawa for a lack of consultation and clarity..doubt it'll change anything though
https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... -19-tests/
Complaints about lack of clarity from the people responsible for fare rules and contracts of carriage. That's rich.
Consultations? How many world-class epidemiologists do WS and AC have on staff? They can't even be trusted with banal paperwork.
hollywoodcory wrote:dr1980 wrote:
This already happened 4 months ago, not sure why the media is reporting now.
Aresxerexade wrote:There is a new aggressive variant of virus originating in South Africa where researchers are now doubting the current vaccines might not be effective against. The only way to stop transmissions of new mutations is if people stop going on holidays. The government is right. Why are so many humans so selfish that they do not see that the primary focus now is to get the virus under control / have wider vaccine distribution? Greed , humans are greedy selfish fools.
Canada should have had this pre entry testing requirement ages ago like some other countries like Italy. USA airlines have also reportedly approached US Vice President Mike Pence backing a proposal to implement pre-departure testing for all international arrivals.
hollywoodcory wrote:https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-announces-network-and-workforce-reductions-for-february-and-march/
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Based on the destinations listed as suspended in the story it sounds like they're only operating the following international routes in February/March:
YYC-PHX/PSP/LAX/OGG/HNL/CUN/PVR/SJD/LIR
YYZ-MCO/RSW/FLL/MBJ/KIN/POP/PUJ/LIR/CUN
They haven't loaded an updated schedule yet, so there could be more cuts. Curious if CUN/PVR are even keeping the 789 at this point.
cirrusdragoon wrote:A class-action lawsuit against WestJet Airlines has been given the go ahead by British Columbia’s Supreme Court.
there are consequences. ”
Whiteguy wrote:hollywoodcory wrote:https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-announces-network-and-workforce-reductions-for-february-and-march/
Can’t say I’m surprised.
Based on the destinations listed as suspended in the story it sounds like they're only operating the following international routes in February/March:
YYC-PHX/PSP/LAX/OGG/HNL/CUN/PVR/SJD/LIR
YYZ-MCO/RSW/FLL/MBJ/KIN/POP/PUJ/LIR/CUN
They haven't loaded an updated schedule yet, so there could be more cuts. Curious if CUN/PVR are even keeping the 789 at this point.
So far the 787 is operating CUN, PVR, and OGG next month, plus domestic YYZ and YVR routes.
HNL is operating with the B73W once a week.
The schedule will be updated this weekend.
777luver wrote:If this isn't a slap in the face to the major carriers I don't know what is
https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... mmunities/
yzfElite wrote:777luver wrote:If this isn't a slap in the face to the major carriers I don't know what is
https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... mmunities/
Very similar to what has already gone to other smaller carriers who provide essential services to remote communities (e.g. Canadian North, Air Tindi, etc already received funding). This funding wouldn't get AC and WS through a day.
Skywatcher wrote:I think this should be entirely funded by the Ontario government if at all. The local stuff should be provincial and the national/international stuff should be Federal.
I wonder which routes are being subsidized?
If this was a Quebec deal with $11 million of Federal funding there would be the usual finger pointing in the GTA based English Canadian media. Since it's Ontario not a word.
Now that "Quebec based" Bombardier (as was always highlighted-even though half their employees were in Ontario) isn't getting a dime I've been wondering how the media would react on the issue of government corporate subsidies.
I noticed that GM and Ford recently obtained hundreds of millions of taxpayer support in Oshawa/Oakville without a peep.
I hate hypocrisy.
yzfElite wrote:Skywatcher wrote:I think this should be entirely funded by the Ontario government if at all. The local stuff should be provincial and the national/international stuff should be Federal.
I wonder which routes are being subsidized?
If this was a Quebec deal with $11 million of Federal funding there would be the usual finger pointing in the GTA based English Canadian media. Since it's Ontario not a word.
Now that "Quebec based" Bombardier (as was always highlighted-even though half their employees were in Ontario) isn't getting a dime I've been wondering how the media would react on the issue of government corporate subsidies.
I noticed that GM and Ford recently obtained hundreds of millions of taxpayer support in Oshawa/Oakville without a peep.
I hate hypocrisy.
Ontario would love that if it was applied universally. The reality though is that for ex Nunavut or Newfoundland and Labrador doesn't have the capacity to cover their Covid expenses like ON can. It would mean that ON would be better off overall with federal revenues from ON not being applied all over the country outside ON, but not realistic. Realistically, if ON paid its own way, others would get federal assistance and ON wouldn't.
To stay on thread, I think the reason WS wouldn't get this type of assistance is that they've taken the decision to close smaller and more remote stations rather than to try and continue service and seek subsidization. Arguably, most of their smaller stations have either other service, roads or both, so certainly a different situation.
Skywatcher wrote:I simply wonder why this program isn't available in other provinces since it has a significant Federal funding component.
ExMilitaryEng wrote:Skywatcher wrote:I simply wonder why this program isn't available in other provinces since it has a significant Federal funding component.
Agree 100%
Skywatcher wrote:yzfElite wrote:Skywatcher wrote:I think this should be entirely funded by the Ontario government if at all. The local stuff should be provincial and the national/international stuff should be Federal.
I wonder which routes are being subsidized?
If this was a Quebec deal with $11 million of Federal funding there would be the usual finger pointing in the GTA based English Canadian media. Since it's Ontario not a word.
Now that "Quebec based" Bombardier (as was always highlighted-even though half their employees were in Ontario) isn't getting a dime I've been wondering how the media would react on the issue of government corporate subsidies.
I noticed that GM and Ford recently obtained hundreds of millions of taxpayer support in Oshawa/Oakville without a peep.
I hate hypocrisy.
Ontario would love that if it was applied universally. The reality though is that for ex Nunavut or Newfoundland and Labrador doesn't have the capacity to cover their Covid expenses like ON can. It would mean that ON would be better off overall with federal revenues from ON not being applied all over the country outside ON, but not realistic. Realistically, if ON paid its own way, others would get federal assistance and ON wouldn't.
To stay on thread, I think the reason WS wouldn't get this type of assistance is that they've taken the decision to close smaller and more remote stations rather than to try and continue service and seek subsidization. Arguably, most of their smaller stations have either other service, roads or both, so certainly a different situation.
I apologize for delving into the Canadian regionalism rabbit hole. I simply wonder why this program isn't available in other provinces since it has a significant Federal funding component.
777luver wrote:If this isn't a slap in the face to the major carriers I don't know what is
https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... mmunities/
Dominion301 wrote:
If one of the majors want to serve the likes of YEV (there’s nothing stopping them from doing so) they’d receive subsidies too under this program. In fact, if Quebec reaches an agreement, AC will probably get a bit as they still serve their formerly year-round Iles-de-la-Madeleine/YGR station on a summer seasonal basis.