The WestJet Thread - 2021

9252fly · Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:40 pm

YYZatcboy wrote:
777luver wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:

Really? Competition isn't the Canadian government handing AC a virtual monopoly on international travel by giving the largest airline in the country virtually unconditional approval to buy the third largest airline in the country. Thats not competition, its a state-sponsored slap in the face to competition, as the CCB rightly ruled and which was ignored by the government.

Oh please. Dont be dramatic. There will be plenty of route concessions made as lined out per the terms and agreements. A "state sponsored slap in the face"....please. the govt plus plenty of concessions in place to make sure it's a fair and square game.

Not according to the Government. if you know what these route consessions are, please name them. Please also list the other consessions that you claim are part of the deal that weren't reported in the media. With sources. Here's mine:

Those conditions include: maintaining Transat's head office and brand in Quebec; encouraging other airlines to take up former Transat routes to Europe; ensuring aircraft maintenance contracts remain in Canada, prioritizing Quebec over other provinces; launching new routes within five years; and committing 1,500 employees to the merged company's new travel business.

The deal also stipulates that because Transat is now a subsidiary of Air Canada, it must provide bilingual services to customers across the country.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federa ... -1.5911340

So tell us what other restrictions and divestitures there will be.

As you wish. When you're finished, make a point of coming back here to post your views on the conditions attached to the government's decision.

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/commer ... ransat-inc

https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/att ... 40&lang=en

YYZatcboy · Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:03 am

9252fly wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:
777luver wrote:

Oh please. Dont be dramatic. There will be plenty of route concessions made as lined out per the terms and agreements. A "state sponsored slap in the face"....please. the govt plus plenty of concessions in place to make sure it's a fair and square game.

Not according to the Government. if you know what these route consessions are, please name them. Please also list the other consessions that you claim are part of the deal that weren't reported in the media. With sources. Here's mine:

Those conditions include: maintaining Transat's head office and brand in Quebec; encouraging other airlines to take up former Transat routes to Europe; ensuring aircraft maintenance contracts remain in Canada, prioritizing Quebec over other provinces; launching new routes within five years; and committing 1,500 employees to the merged company's new travel business.

The deal also stipulates that because Transat is now a subsidiary of Air Canada, it must provide bilingual services to customers across the country.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federa ... -1.5911340

So tell us what other restrictions and divestitures there will be.

As you wish. When you're finished, make a point of coming back here to post your views on the conditions attached to the government's decision.

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/commer ... ransat-inc

https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/att ... 40&lang=en

Thank you. I appreciate the link to more detailed information.

hollywoodcory · Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:33 pm

Looks like their running twice weekly 787 cargo only flights on YYZ-LGW. Also, yesterday I saw about 3 787s flying between YYC-AEX.

YYC-OGG is now being flown on a 73W instead of 789. Still kind of surprised their even flying to Hawaii.

Dominion301 · Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:41 pm

Given the pandemic, this milestone went unnoticed. Yesterday was WestJet's 25th anniversary. They launched on February 29, 1996.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 09508.html

cirrusdragoon · Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:09 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Given the pandemic, this milestone went unnoticed. Yesterday was WestJet's 25th anniversary. They launched on February 29, 1996.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 09508.html

Commemorative video on their 25th anniversary.

https://youtu.be/5iRFuQgWRi4

cirrusdragoon · Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:54 pm

Andrew Charlton , sits down with CEO Ed Sims for a chat about the current airline environment, changing markets, new consumer behaviours and expectations. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_iiPuPhrw

cirrusdragoon · Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:32 pm

Westjet has finally tentatively come to terms on the first collective agreement for its 3,100 mainline cabin crew. CUPE Local 4070 has been in negotiations with Westjet since April 2019. The tentative agreement is subject to final ratification by their membership.

https://calgaryherald.com/business/west ... attendants

LHA320 · Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:05 am

A quick question regarding the 736. Recently saw 2 examples flying to MZJ, will they be retired or is it just temporary storage?
Whats the plan for the 736 fleet?

Whiteguy · Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:27 am

LHA320 wrote:
A quick question regarding the 736. Recently saw 2 examples flying to MZJ, will they be retired or is it just temporary storage?
Whats the plan for the 736 fleet?

I think 3 have gone now total, they won’t be coming back....

cirrusdragoon · Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:22 am

WestJet Airlines Ltd. has cancelled orders for 15 Boeing 737 Max aircraft amid a prolonged crisis for the aviation industry. Their max fleet currently has 11 Max jets in storage and another 27 remaining on order. Sadly not unexpected.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/company-new ... es~2157736

Whiteguy · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:56 pm

cirrusdragoon wrote:
WestJet Airlines Ltd. has cancelled orders for 15 Boeing 737 Max aircraft amid a prolonged crisis for the aviation industry. Their max fleet currently has 11 Max jets in storage and another 27 remaining on order. Sadly not unexpected.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/company-new ... es~2157736

Only 7 aircraft are left in storage now. The other 7 are back and either in service or in the process of being returned to service.

hollywoodcory · Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:24 am

Looks like HNL is being dropped after April 3. YYC-OGG continuing once week on a 73W right into May.

Also I see CUN, PVR, SJD, and MBJ still appear to resume May 1st?

Transborder/International Schedule April 5-May 4:
YYC-PSP 1x weekly
YYC-PHX 2x weekly
YYC-OGG 1x weekly
YYC-CUN 1x weekly (from May 1)
YYC-PVR 3x weekly (from May 1)
YYC-SJD 2x weekly (from May 1)
YYZ-RSW 1x weekly
YYZ-CUN 1x weekly (from May 1)
YYZ-MBJ 1x weekly (from May 1)

I'd say the Sun destinations rest on the hotel quarantine requirement being dropped, and likely won't resume. YYC-PVR and YYZ-CUN are the first international routes to have a MAX scheduled on them so far.

Lastly, looks like YYC-BOS might be getting dropped completely in this week's update? Not seeing it right into July?

hollywoodcory · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:01 pm

Looks like YHZ-GLA has also been completely cancelled for S21 as well.

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:52 am

Similar to the JetBlue discussion in regards to LHR, it looks like WS also shows up on Heathrow's terminal finder & the departure/arrivals page at least in June & July under the following schedule:

WS060 Arrival from YYC 12:10
WS061 Departs to YYC 16:00

Edit:

Also YVR too:

WS062 Arrival from YVR 10:05
WS063 Depart to YVR 13:15

https://www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport ... h-terminal (Search YYC)
Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/k7y7fja.jpg

This could be nothing, like when they got LHR slots back in the winter months. I guess we shall see.

9252fly · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:21 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
Similar to the JetBlue discussion in regards to LHR, it looks like WS also shows up on Heathrow's terminal finder & the departure/arrivals page at least in June & July under the following schedule:

WS060 Arrival from YYC 12:10
WS061 Departs to YYC 16:00

Edit:

Also YVR too:

WS062 Arrival from YVR 10:05
WS063 Depart to YVR 13:15

https://www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport ... h-terminal (Search YYC)
Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/k7y7fja.jpg

This could be nothing, like when they got LHR slots back in the winter months. I guess we shall see.

Is there an indication of which terminal at LHR they'll be using? With the disruption Covid has done to airlines, it would not surprise me if they found some slots, which may explain the long turns at what I assume not to be premium times.

Whiteguy · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:27 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
Similar to the JetBlue discussion in regards to LHR, it looks like WS also shows up on Heathrow's terminal finder & the departure/arrivals page at least in June & July under the following schedule:

WS060 Arrival from YYC 12:10
WS061 Departs to YYC 16:00

Edit:

Also YVR too:

WS062 Arrival from YVR 10:05
WS063 Depart to YVR 13:15

https://www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport ... h-terminal (Search YYC)
Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/k7y7fja.jpg

This could be nothing, like when they got LHR slots back in the winter months. I guess we shall see.

My guess is it carried over from last summers plans. I don’t think WS even has the slots this summer, and AC850 is the flight number for YYC-LHR.

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:43 am

9252fly wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
Similar to the JetBlue discussion in regards to LHR, it looks like WS also shows up on Heathrow's terminal finder & the departure/arrivals page at least in June & July under the following schedule:

WS060 Arrival from YYC 12:10
WS061 Departs to YYC 16:00

Edit:

Also YVR too:

WS062 Arrival from YVR 10:05
WS063 Depart to YVR 13:15

https://www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport ... h-terminal (Search YYC)
Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/k7y7fja.jpg

This could be nothing, like when they got LHR slots back in the winter months. I guess we shall see.

Is there an indication of which terminal at LHR they'll be using? With the disruption Covid has done to airlines, it would not surprise me if they found some slots, which may explain the long turns at what I assume not to be premium times.

Shows terminal 2. They did get double daily slots back in the winter months too that they ended up returning, so time will tell what happens here.

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:54 am

Whiteguy wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
Similar to the JetBlue discussion in regards to LHR, it looks like WS also shows up on Heathrow's terminal finder & the departure/arrivals page at least in June & July under the following schedule:

WS060 Arrival from YYC 12:10
WS061 Departs to YYC 16:00

Edit:

Also YVR too:

WS062 Arrival from YVR 10:05
WS063 Depart to YVR 13:15

https://www.heathrow.com/at-the-airport ... h-terminal (Search YYC)
Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/k7y7fja.jpg

This could be nothing, like when they got LHR slots back in the winter months. I guess we shall see.

My guess is it carried over from last summers plans. I don’t think WS even has the slots this summer, and AC850 is the flight number for YYC-LHR.

Could be. Time will tell. I imagine slots will be available due to COVID, so guess we shall see.

crosscheckyyz · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:54 am

Whiteguy wrote:
My guess is it carried over from last summers plans. I don’t think WS even has the slots this summer, and AC850 is the flight number for YYC-LHR.

Isn't AC862/863 YVR-DUB-YVR?

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:13 am

crosscheckyyz wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
My guess is it carried over from last summers plans. I don’t think WS even has the slots this summer, and AC850 is the flight number for YYC-LHR.

Isn't AC862/863 YVR-DUB-YVR?

All of the AC flight numbers there are incorrect. It shows AC848/849 as YYZ-LHR, but it's actually YYC-FRA-YYC.

9252fly · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:02 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
crosscheckyyz wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
My guess is it carried over from last summers plans. I don’t think WS even has the slots this summer, and AC850 is the flight number for YYC-LHR.

Isn't AC862/863 YVR-DUB-YVR?

All of the AC flight numbers there are incorrect. It shows AC848/849 as YYZ-LHR, but it's actually YYC-FRA-YYC.

Trivia, historically YYC FRA return has always been AC844/845.

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:51 am

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9252fly wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
crosscheckyyz wrote:

Isn't AC862/863 YVR-DUB-YVR?

All of the AC flight numbers there are incorrect. It shows AC848/849 as YYZ-LHR, but it's actually YYC-FRA-YYC.

Trivia, historically YYC FRA return has always been AC844/845.

Yeah I know. They changed the flight numbers effective this year. I even thought maybe that’s why the flight numbers were wacky there, but YYC-LHR is still 850/851.

I’m assuming even the WS flight numbers are just a placeholder too, and if they do operate it, would take over WS1/2 from LGW.

346fetish · Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:10 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
Looks like HNL is being dropped after April 3

Last YYCHNL trip is 20MAR/21MAR

hollywoodcory · Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:11 pm

346fetish wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
Looks like HNL is being dropped after April 3

Last YYCHNL trip is 20MAR/21MAR

Thanks for catching that. When I checked last week it was still scheduled to April 3. OGG still appears scheduled until May 1 for now.

They’ve also now removed LGW until June as well in this weeks update.

hollywoodcory · Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:25 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
They’ve also now removed LGW until June as well in this weeks update.

Never mind, looks like YYZ-LGW is scheduled twice weekly from May 20th. YYC-LGW was removed to June 5th.

No other changes to Europe.

Jayce · Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:03 am

hollywoodcory wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
They’ve also now removed LGW until June as well in this weeks update.

Never mind, looks like YYZ-LGW is scheduled twice weekly from May 20th. YYC-LGW was removed to June 5th.

No other changes to Europe.

Is YYZ-LGW cargo only still?

hollywoodcory · Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:10 am

Jayce wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
They’ve also now removed LGW until June as well in this weeks update.

Never mind, looks like YYZ-LGW is scheduled twice weekly from May 20th. YYC-LGW was removed to June 5th.

No other changes to Europe.

Is YYZ-LGW cargo only still?

Yeah it is for now.

Passenger flights are currently scheduled from mid-May.

hollywoodcory · Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:05 pm

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-03-2 ... o-COVID-19

Flights to Atlantic Canada and Quebec City planned to resume in late June. Looks like YYC-YQB and the originally planned launch of YYC-YYG is not planned for S21.

Jayce · Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:47 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-03-24-WestJet-to-restore-regional-routes-suspended-due-to-COVID-19

Flights to Atlantic Canada and Quebec City planned to resume in late June. Looks like YYC-YQB and the originally planned launch of YYC-YYG is not planned for S21.

Restoring regional routes was one of the conditions of the long awaited financial aid package from the government. Hopefully this means we’ll see something soon.

dr1980 · Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:16 pm

I wonder how much of this is vaccine-based confidence vs hopeful speculation? Our Chief Medical Officer of Health in Nova Scotia said yesterday that mid-June is now the expected date for everyone that wants one to receive their first vaccine dose.

9252fly · Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:26 pm

Jayce wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-03-24-WestJet-to-restore-regional-routes-suspended-due-to-COVID-19

Flights to Atlantic Canada and Quebec City planned to resume in late June. Looks like YYC-YQB and the originally planned launch of YYC-YYG is not planned for S21.

Restoring regional routes was one of the conditions of the long awaited financial aid package from the government. Hopefully this means we’ll see something soon.

I read recently that AC walked out of the negotiations as the government was constantly making last minute changes and attaching too many conditions to a financial package. In respect to restoring some of the regional routes, many will be loss making for sometime, so unless the government is willing to subsidize some of those routes, you can bet airlines will not have any interest.

54678264582 · Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm

9252fly wrote:
Jayce wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-03-24-WestJet-to-restore-regional-routes-suspended-due-to-COVID-19

Flights to Atlantic Canada and Quebec City planned to resume in late June. Looks like YYC-YQB and the originally planned launch of YYC-YYG is not planned for S21.

Restoring regional routes was one of the conditions of the long awaited financial aid package from the government. Hopefully this means we’ll see something soon.

I read recently that AC walked out of the negotiations as the government was constantly making last minute changes and attaching too many conditions to a financial package. In respect to restoring some of the regional routes, many will be loss making for sometime, so unless the government is willing to subsidize some of those routes, you can bet airlines will not have any interest.

That sounds like that was when the govt offered the LEFF woth extremely high interest rates, both AC and WS walked away.

cirrusdragoon · Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:27 pm

WestJet’s Director, Government Relations, Andy Gibbons, says WestJet has asked the federal government to phase out the 3-day hotel quarantine requirement for international travellers starting May 1, 2021.
https://www.travelweek.ca/news/will-we- ... dNeB0TM%3D

346fetish · Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:35 pm

Jayce wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2021-03-24-WestJet-to-restore-regional-routes-suspended-due-to-COVID-19

Flights to Atlantic Canada and Quebec City planned to resume in late June. Looks like YYC-YQB and the originally planned launch of YYC-YYG is not planned for S21.

Restoring regional routes was one of the conditions of the long awaited financial aid package from the government. Hopefully this means we’ll see something soon.

Those routes have nothing to do with gvt. financial aid.

Ishrion · Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:13 pm

WestJet announces 11 new domestic routes

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/w ... 49979.html

hollywoodcory · Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:17 pm

The 11 new domestic routes, all starting in June.
YYZ-YMM
YLW-YXE
YLW-YQR
YXE-YYJ
YWG-YYJ
YEG-YKA
YEG-YYF
YEG-YCD
YXS-YXX
YOW-YYJ
YYZ-YQQ

In a video message, CEO Ed Sims mentions the airline is looking into possible expansion for its MAX and 789 aircraft, as well as acquiring new aircraft for mainline / Encore and Swoop.

Ishrion · Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:30 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
In a video message, CEO Ed Sims mentions the airline is looking into possible expansion for its MAX and 789 aircraft

Would be cool to see WestJet launch KEF-YYZ with the MAX.

I think KEF-YYC might be in range?

hollywoodcory · Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:50 pm

Ishrion wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
In a video message, CEO Ed Sims mentions the airline is looking into possible expansion for its MAX and 789 aircraft

Would be cool to see WestJet launch KEF-YYZ with the MAX.

I think KEF-YYC might be in range?

It's funny, cause I was just thinking about them possibly adding KEF too, particularly with Iceland opening up and yes I believe both YYC/YYZ-KEF are possible on a MAX. The only thing is that we don't know when the feds plan to end the restrictions on our end which kills any chance of international expansion for now.

cirrusdragoon · Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:28 pm

I am curious , what possible types of new aircraft are they are pondering. Intrigued

9252fly · Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:41 pm

cirrusdragoon wrote:
I am curious , what possible types of new aircraft are they are pondering. Intrigued

The A221 and A223 could be a good fit. I think WS converted their MAX7 order to 8's and/or 10's. I don't foresee a widebody fleet change other than exercising the 10 options on the B789's.

EcuaCan · Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:09 pm

YOW-YYJ? I don't believe Ottawa has ever had flights to Victoria. Interesting!

hollywoodcory · Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:20 pm

An updated report on LHR slots confirms WS obtained slots for S21 to operate to YYC/YVR.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -S21-1.pdf

Dominion301 · Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:54 pm

EcuaCan wrote:
YOW-YYJ? I don't believe Ottawa has ever had flights to Victoria. Interesting!

Yeah 1st time ever. Victoria was the only provincial/territorial capital that's never had a direct flight to federal capital. Also assumes that the new YUL-YXE-YQR-YUL flight isn't a replacement for YOW-YQR-YXE-YOW. AC had earlier indicated the YOW-Sask route would return in summer 2022.

YMM-YYZ is a re-instatement route that existed during the oil boom years.

YQQ-YYZ had long been on YQQ's wish list.

cirrusdragoon · Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:01 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
An updated report on LHR slots confirms WS obtained slots for S21 to operate to YYC/YVR.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -S21-1.pdf

Hopeful they can take advantage of this .

hollywoodcory · Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:46 pm

To contrast the LHR report, here are the others released by ACL:

DXB - WS previously obtained 14x weekly slots for S21, but they've been returned. Maybe they'll try again in the winter.

LGW - Up to 4x daily slots maintained with service listed to YYZ/YYC/YVR and YHZ. YYZ shows schedules in mid-May, the rest from June.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

DUB - Its odd, shows up to 4x weekly but also says YYC/YHZ service cancelled? Destination is listed as ZZJ.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

Does anyone know if the EU airports publish similar slot reports?

IceCream · Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:23 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
To contrast the LHR report, here are the others released by ACL:

DXB - WS previously obtained 14x weekly slots for S21, but they've been returned. Maybe they'll try again in the winter.

LGW - Up to 4x daily slots maintained with service listed to YYZ/YYC/YVR and YHZ. YYZ shows schedules in mid-May, the rest from June.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

DUB - Its odd, shows up to 4x weekly but also says YYC/YHZ service cancelled? Destination is listed as ZZJ.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

Does anyone know if the EU airports publish similar slot reports?

That's very interesting. Does anyone have any thoughts about possible new routes that they'd think WS would try out?

cirrusdragoon · Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:48 pm

Taken from their 2017 Investor Day presentation. Post pandemic , it is anyone’s guess , but perhaps they will try to form new ties into Europe from western Canada. A world of opportunities for them . Would make sense to pick the market that recovers the quickest or will show signs of quickest recovery, whatever market that may end being that is.

yulexpansion · Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:18 am

cirrusdragoon wrote:
Taken from their 2017 Investor Day presentation. Post pandemic , it is anyone’s guess , but perhaps they will try to form new ties into Europe from western Canada. A world of opportunities for them . Would make sense to pick the market that recovers the quickest or will show signs of quickest recovery, whatever market that may end being that is.

Very nice! Take a copy of the AC route map, add a couple of oddball points, such as Nadi/Rarotonga and call it teal!

Aresxerexade · Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:50 am

IceCream wrote:
hollywoodcory wrote:
To contrast the LHR report, here are the others released by ACL:

DXB - WS previously obtained 14x weekly slots for S21, but they've been returned. Maybe they'll try again in the winter.

LGW - Up to 4x daily slots maintained with service listed to YYZ/YYC/YVR and YHZ. YYZ shows schedules in mid-May, the rest from June.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

DUB - Its odd, shows up to 4x weekly but also says YYC/YHZ service cancelled? Destination is listed as ZZJ.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-S21.pdf

Does anyone know if the EU airports publish similar slot reports?

That's very interesting. Does anyone have any thoughts about possible new routes that they'd think WS would try out?

I am thinking perhaps they will continue in Europe once the covid-19 situation has stabilized . Perhaps focusing in the UK market first. They did want to land in Manchester prior to all this mess.

IceCream · Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:09 pm

^ Yeah, that seems to be one of the likelier options. WestJet tends to be a pretty conservative airline in that they don't have large route expansions like some other airlines do, even with their 787's.

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