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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:00 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
Not sure why B6 even bothers. Their NE agreement with AA shares nothing for PDX, and AA’s agreement with AS has only token flights to the NE, especially now with AS currently suspending BOS, EWR, DCA, and JFK in the short term. Not sure why/how B6 has even maintained 3 flights per week at PDX. What, they operated ONE flight to FLL in total, then axed it? B6 also didn’t include PDX as part of their LAX west coast expansion, though LAX-SEA and SFO have also been shelved for the near future. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.


Agreed. It always seemed like their strategy was a bit silly. ANC for $49? Launched FLL because hell, it's a pandemic let's give it a shot. LGB never very convenient and far more options to LAX and likely cheaper. Maybe only BOS/JFK before AS started them?

flyoregon wrote:
What does everyone think the future hold for PDX as an airport post pandemic? With so many routes suspended or dropped, how long does it take for Portland to get back to 2019 levels and does the current negative view of the city have long term impact?

Do we see BA actually start in the short term? Will FI return? Will Allegiant become a real contender at PDX? Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts.


I think it's looking like several years at this point. Can't imagine BA or FI this year at all. Maybe late fall announcements for spring/summer 2022 if anything. I think G4 has a halfway decent shot but how good is name recognition? They're also going to be flying cities that are considerably smaller than what SY tried.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:33 am

flyoregon wrote:
What does everyone think the future hold for PDX as an airport post pandemic? With so many routes suspended or dropped, how long does it take for Portland to get back to 2019 levels and does the current negative view of the city have long term impact?

Do we see BA actually start in the short term? Will FI return? Will Allegiant become a real contender at PDX? Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts.


I think the current terminal remodel project, once completed (2025?) will position PDX well for the long-term, as will the airline realignment on the various terminals. I could see WN eventually extending E concourse further at some point to accommodate future growth. The D concourse, plus international gates, can probably serve at least another 5-10 years, unless there is a sudden resurgence in international demand from PDX. Which I don't see happening until 2023-2025.

I think you have to look at this from both a short term and long term perspective, post-pandemic:

Short term (1 year or less): low-fare, domestic routes will win the day, with WN, G4, AS focusing on the hot spots that the PDX market favors: Southern California, Mexico, Hawaii, Las Vegas, Arizona, and to some extent, Florida. A big factor is the rate of recovery for the local economy in Portland/SW Washington.

Long-term: that really depends on the airlines that will survive post-pandemic, demand, and what the industry landscape will look like. Who merges with who? What will business and leisure travel demand be?

International market: demand will return for Canada, Mexico, and Europe fairly quickly. Volaris, Condor, and Icelandair appear to offer the best value to the Portland market. For Delta, the big question mark in my mind is the impact on the corporate client demand for Japan and The Netherlands (read: Delta) and whether AMS returns and HND is actually started. Both can be served with an A332/A333, but will DL consider bringing these routes back? Spring 2022 at the earliest is my estimate. But with KE & OZ merging, it's not outside the realm of possibility for DL to partner with them to instead operate PDX-ICN for better connectivity, and route Japan traffic via SEA or LAX. As for BA to LHR...if it reappears on BA's wish list, I think it's several years away. The dark horse on PDX-LHR could be AA, to go along with their SEA-LHR route. But with AA's finances? Not a bet I would make.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:03 pm

 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:06 pm

I think this will make AS jump. They've really cut back flying from EUG. AS has been so busy guarding its SEA turf, they are letting other ground slip away...maybe they don't care?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:32 pm

Dreamflight767 wrote:
I think this will make AS jump. They've really cut back flying from EUG. AS has been so busy guarding its SEA turf, they are letting other ground slip away...maybe they don't care?

I'm not really sure if EUG has really ever been all that important to AS. They flew EUG-SJC, which is a route that WN could potentially add (but I doubt it).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:23 am

I posted over on the AS thread about the new EUG service on WN this morning and wondered along similar lines. I was hoping that AS might now consider adding EUG-SAN since both G4 and WN will be serving the route soon, although not nonstop by WN. The market already has decent traffic figures (PDEW averaged just under 50 for the first 3 quarters of 2019 according to DOT's Table 6!) and AS already flies EUG-LA. It sure wouldn't take many new customers to make a daily EMJ r/t between Eugene and San Diego profitable!

I'm sure WN will offer EUG-OAK service (plus nonstops to other WN hubs) but I could certainly see AAG adding something of their own to SFO (or possibly they'd even try SJC again.) The WN connections over OAK would of course offer most SoCal destinations multiple good flight possibilities besides good Bay Area service..

I just can't see AAG letting WN jump deep into AS territory without some sort of preemptive action to protect their Golden State hubs! Here's hoping!

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:33 pm

Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:35 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


I’m surprised PDX still doesn’t have N/S to MEX. I know AM tried it but dropped the route just after a year of operating it but wasn’t that due to internal struggles at Aeromexico rather than route performance?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:41 pm

flyoregon wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


I’m surprised PDX still doesn’t have N/S to MEX. I know AM tried it but dropped the route just after a year of operating it but wasn’t that due to internal struggles at Aeromexico rather than route performance?

PDX-MEX seems like an obvious route for Volaris to pick up. I figured that would have happened just after AM dropped the route.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:56 am

I was reading in the Delta Network thread, and someone commented about PDX-HND/AMS being pushed back to July 2021.

Quick search on the DL app confirmed it:

PDX-HND (#69)
- Start date of 7/1 with the A332 (not sure if it's daily already, or a few times per week to start?)
- Depart PDX at 13:35
- Arrive HND at 14:35
- 11h

Note: Departure from PDX will now be 2 hours later than when they had operated PDX-NRT. Interestingly, the SEA-HND flight (with the A339) will depart SEA at 11:25am. So a missed connection in SEA means there is still the option to quickly fly down to PDX and catch the PDX-HND flight 2 hours later.

HND-PDX (#68)
- Start date of 7/2 with the A332
- Depart HND at 18:25pm
- Arrive PDX at 11:35am (same day)
- 9h 10m

PDX-AMS (#178)
- Start date of 7/2 with the A332
- Depart PDX at 13:28
- Arrive AMS at 08:30 (next day)
- 10h 2m

AMS-PDX (#179)
- Start date of 7/3 (my birthday!) with the A332
- Depart AMS at 10:00am
- Arrive PDX at 12:30pm
- 11h 30m
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:20 am

Southwest Airlines will add Eugene, OR (EUG) soon.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:34 am

For those who have gone through flight training in Oregon, I would say up to ATP, where did you train through? I currently have PPL 100+ hours, some time with instrument training but need to complete that. I've heard Hillsboro Aviation is good but extremely busy and gas prices are high, I have also looked at Aurora Aviation and have been told it will run about 15k for instrument, I have no clue if that's the average or not, but those are the only two I have looked at, have only been in the state for a little over a year. I am near Portland for distance reference to other training facilities.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:37 am

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
I was reading in the Delta Network thread, and someone commented about PDX-HND/AMS being pushed back to July 2021.

Quick search on the DL app confirmed it:

PDX-HND (#69)
- Start date of 7/1 with the A332 (not sure if it's daily already, or a few times per week to start?)
- Depart PDX at 13:35
- Arrive HND at 14:35
- 11h

Note: Departure from PDX will now be 2 hours later than when they had operated PDX-NRT. Interestingly, the SEA-HND flight (with the A339) will depart SEA at 11:25am. So a missed connection in SEA means there is still the option to quickly fly down to PDX and catch the PDX-HND flight 2 hours later.

HND-PDX (#68)
- Start date of 7/2 with the A332
- Depart HND at 18:25pm
- Arrive PDX at 11:35am (same day)
- 9h 10m

PDX-AMS (#178)
- Start date of 7/2 with the A332
- Depart PDX at 13:28
- Arrive AMS at 08:30 (next day)
- 10h 2m

AMS-PDX (#179)
- Start date of 7/3 (my birthday!) with the A332
- Depart AMS at 10:00am
- Arrive PDX at 12:30pm
- 11h 30m

The chances of PDX-HND restarting are slim - Covid has probably wiped out most of that business demand that made the route sustainable. The odds of JL/Zipair launching PDX are probably higher. PDX-AMS has a higher chance, but will be interesting to see especially if & when BA launches PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:11 am

davidbrok5 wrote:
For those who have gone through flight training in Oregon, I would say up to ATP, where did you train through? I currently have PPL 100+ hours, some time with instrument training but need to complete that. I've heard Hillsboro Aviation is good but extremely busy and gas prices are high, I have also looked at Aurora Aviation and have been told it will run about 15k for instrument, I have no clue if that's the average or not, but those are the only two I have looked at, have only been in the state for a little over a year. I am near Portland for distance reference to other training facilities.


Check out FlyIt Academy in Camas. http://flyitacademy.com

Really good instructors and very friendly.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:44 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


maybe same hours

Mexican low-cost carrier Volaris in June 2020 plans to introduce 4 new routes to the US, including 3 routes from Morelia. Planned operation as follows.

Morelia – Portland OR eff 22JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4358 MLM1619 – 1940PDX 32N 15
Y4359 PDX2110 – 0408+1MLM 32N 15

Morelia – Sacramento eff 24JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4360 MLM2110 – 2350SMF 32N 36
Y4361 SMF0105 – 0715MLM 32N 47

Morelia – Seattle eff 25JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4368 MLM1558 – 1930SEA 32N 47
Y4369 SEA2128 – 0500+1MLM 32N 47

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:19 am

GerRodriguez wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


maybe same hours

Mexican low-cost carrier Volaris in June 2020 plans to introduce 4 new routes to the US, including 3 routes from Morelia. Planned operation as follows.

Morelia – Portland OR eff 22JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4358 MLM1619 – 1940PDX 32N 15
Y4359 PDX2110 – 0408+1MLM 32N 15

Morelia – Sacramento eff 24JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4360 MLM2110 – 2350SMF 32N 36
Y4361 SMF0105 – 0715MLM 32N 47

Morelia – Seattle eff 25JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4368 MLM1558 – 1930SEA 32N 47
Y4369 SEA2128 – 0500+1MLM 32N 47

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Thanks for the link.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:37 pm

davidbrok5 wrote:
For those who have gone through flight training in Oregon, I would say up to ATP, where did you train through? I currently have PPL 100+ hours, some time with instrument training but need to complete that. I've heard Hillsboro Aviation is good but extremely busy and gas prices are high, I have also looked at Aurora Aviation and have been told it will run about 15k for instrument, I have no clue if that's the average or not, but those are the only two I have looked at, have only been in the state for a little over a year. I am near Portland for distance reference to other training facilities.


I can highly recommend Aero Maintenance in Vancouver, just over the I-5 bridge, pretty close to Portland. www.aeromt.com
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:25 am

GerRodriguez wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


maybe same hours

Mexican low-cost carrier Volaris in June 2020 plans to introduce 4 new routes to the US, including 3 routes from Morelia. Planned operation as follows.

Morelia – Portland OR eff 22JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4358 MLM1619 – 1940PDX 32N 15
Y4359 PDX2110 – 0408+1MLM 32N 15

Morelia – Sacramento eff 24JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4360 MLM2110 – 2350SMF 32N 36
Y4361 SMF0105 – 0715MLM 32N 47

Morelia – Seattle eff 25JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4368 MLM1558 – 1930SEA 32N 47
Y4369 SEA2128 – 0500+1MLM 32N 47

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/

Oops....that article is a year old, and pre-Covid. I posted the relevant portion of this in the Sacramento thread, only to have it pointed out. Currently the SMF-MLM service does not exist and is not bookable going forward. Silly me.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:34 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
GerRodriguez wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


maybe same hours

Mexican low-cost carrier Volaris in June 2020 plans to introduce 4 new routes to the US, including 3 routes from Morelia. Planned operation as follows.

Morelia – Portland OR eff 22JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4358 MLM1619 – 1940PDX 32N 15
Y4359 PDX2110 – 0408+1MLM 32N 15

Morelia – Sacramento eff 24JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4360 MLM2110 – 2350SMF 32N 36
Y4361 SMF0105 – 0715MLM 32N 47

Morelia – Seattle eff 25JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4368 MLM1558 – 1930SEA 32N 47
Y4369 SEA2128 – 0500+1MLM 32N 47

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/

Oops....that article is a year old, and pre-Covid. I posted the relevant portion of this in the Sacramento thread, only to have it pointed out. Currently the SMF-MLM service does not exist and is not bookable going forward. Silly me.


Volaris has been wanting to add another city for awhile... Apparently CBP is the issue. Long and short, they don't want more work.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:56 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
GerRodriguez wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Volaris re-added PDX-MLM (Morelia, Mexico) nonstop flights to their schedule. Starts November 1 and operates 2x weekly on Monday & Fridays. I believe they announced this just before COVID hit.


maybe same hours

Mexican low-cost carrier Volaris in June 2020 plans to introduce 4 new routes to the US, including 3 routes from Morelia. Planned operation as follows.

Morelia – Portland OR eff 22JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4358 MLM1619 – 1940PDX 32N 15
Y4359 PDX2110 – 0408+1MLM 32N 15

Morelia – Sacramento eff 24JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4360 MLM2110 – 2350SMF 32N 36
Y4361 SMF0105 – 0715MLM 32N 47

Morelia – Seattle eff 25JUN20 2 weekly A320neo
Y4368 MLM1558 – 1930SEA 32N 47
Y4369 SEA2128 – 0500+1MLM 32N 47

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/

Oops....that article is a year old, and pre-Covid. I posted the relevant portion of this in the Sacramento thread, only to have it pointed out. Currently the SMF-MLM service does not exist and is not bookable going forward. Silly me.

No worries. I thought you posted the old article to point out that this is the same route that they announced pre-covid.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:13 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/stat ... 6549963777

JonNYC, a very reliable source for AA route updates has stated that LAX-PDX (along with other domestic LAX routes) would be resuming in May.

It'll be interesting to see what their LAX-PDX schedule looks like once AA updates their interim May schedule, especially given the AS/AA partnership. AS and DL both have quite a bit of capacity on that route, so I wonder if AA plans on matching up to this.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:14 pm

Lets get real here WN is not extending E. Where can they ?
DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
What does everyone think the future hold for PDX as an airport post pandemic? With so many routes suspended or dropped, how long does it take for Portland to get back to 2019 levels and does the current negative view of the city have long term impact?

Do we see BA actually start in the short term? Will FI return? Will Allegiant become a real contender at PDX? Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts.


I think the current terminal remodel project, once completed (2025?) will position PDX well for the long-term, as will the airline realignment on the various terminals. I could see WN eventually extending E concourse further at some point to accommodate future growth. The D concourse, plus international gates, can probably serve at least another 5-10 years, unless there is a sudden resurgence in international demand from PDX. Which I don't see happening until 2023-2025.

I think you have to look at this from both a short term and long term perspective, post-pandemic:

Short term (1 year or less): low-fare, domestic routes will win the day, with WN, G4, AS focusing on the hot spots that the PDX market favors: Southern California, Mexico, Hawaii, Las Vegas, Arizona, and to some extent, Florida. A big factor is the rate of recovery for the local economy in Portland/SW Washington.

Long-term: that really depends on the airlines that will survive post-pandemic, demand, and what the industry landscape will look like. Who merges with who? What will business and leisure travel demand be?

International market: demand will return for Canada, Mexico, and Europe fairly quickly. Volaris, Condor, and Icelandair appear to offer the best value to the Portland market. For Delta, the big question mark in my mind is the impact on the corporate client demand for Japan and The Netherlands (read: Delta) and whether AMS returns and HND is actually started. Both can be served with an A332/A333, but will DL consider bringing these routes back? Spring 2022 at the earliest is my estimate. But with KE & OZ merging, it's not outside the realm of possibility for DL to partner with them to instead operate PDX-ICN for better connectivity, and route Japan traffic via SEA or LAX. As for BA to LHR...if it reappears on BA's wish list, I think it's several years away. The dark horse on PDX-LHR could be AA, to go along with their SEA-LHR route. But with AA's finances? Not a bet I would make.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:39 am

Not sure if this was known already, DFW-EUG upgauged from E175 to mainline A319 starting June 3.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:56 am

AA has removed PHL-PDX from their schedule entirely. Kind of disappointing that the AS/AA partnership won't be keeping this route alive.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:10 am

 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:40 pm

The Port Of Portland should be starting with the construction of the NE RON ramp soon. They made us and other airlines move all our equipment from that area last week.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:25 pm

There is a separate thread already, but I thought it would be good to post it here anyway.

FI returns to PDX in July!! Good news!!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1458857
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:09 pm

Amazon Air (via Sun Country) begins daily PDX-FAI cargo flights today:

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/amazon-ai ... ks-alaska/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:59 am

Chugach wrote:
Amazon Air (via Sun Country) begins daily PDX-FAI cargo flights today:

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/amazon-ai ... ks-alaska/


It sort of seems like PDX is a bit of a mini-hub for Amazon Air.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:10 pm

flyoregon wrote:
Chugach wrote:
Amazon Air (via Sun Country) begins daily PDX-FAI cargo flights today:

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/amazon-ai ... ks-alaska/


It sort of seems like PDX is a bit of a mini-hub for Amazon Air.


Not that I really know anything about Amazon logistics, but I bet their Troutdale distribution center has something to do with it.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:56 pm

Chugach wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Chugach wrote:
Amazon Air (via Sun Country) begins daily PDX-FAI cargo flights today:

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/amazon-ai ... ks-alaska/


It sort of seems like PDX is a bit of a mini-hub for Amazon Air.


Not that I really know anything about Amazon logistics, but I bet their Troutdale distribution center has something to do with it.


I know Troutdale is a very large one, but they also have one in Hillsboro, Salem (?), and one almost complete in N. Portland at or near the old Portland Meadows site, so yes, you’re probably right.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:14 pm

Yes there's the one in troutdale, salem, and north portland near kelly point park. The one at the meadows site is going to be another delivery station. The hillsboro building is a sort center. Different building types are here: https://www.aboutamazon.com/workplace/facilities
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:32 pm

A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:07 am

flyoregon wrote:
A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.


That docket is filled with half truths.

I've been through the Salem Airport, Hair-care, and Tire center. They have alot of work to do to make that airport ready for scheduled service. Convince AS to run a shuttle service to PDX or keep on driving the
"90" minutes to PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:08 am

As a big supporter of the initiative to get air service into SLE, the application is a bit over the top with regard to permanent lost service. I do think service to SFO and or SEA can be successful and I hope they get the grant this time around as they missed out last year. I also find it odd that many of the applications are from airports with fairly substantial air service already
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:51 am

twincommander wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.


That docket is filled with half truths.

I've been through the Salem Airport, Hair-care, and Tire center. They have alot of work to do to make that airport ready for scheduled service. Convince AS to run a shuttle service to PDX or keep on driving the
"90" minutes to PDX.


I agree. I think if they are awarded any sort of service, they’ll need to front some money to improve facilities there so that it’s comfortable to fly out of Salem..,not just convenient. And those improvements should be sooner rather then later.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:54 am

flyoregon wrote:
A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.


MFR also applied for DFW.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:39 am

Very interesting to see AA upgrading EUG to mainline (DFW) seasonally. How many flights per week is G4 operating from EUG? And with Southwests arrival, the five gates upstairs may be very crowded at times. Still awesome that EUG has gained such a diverse amount of service for an airport its size.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:16 pm

flyoregon wrote:
A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.

LOL. The route map that they included of PDX's "lost routes" is complete nonsense. The only permanent U.S. routes in that map that are arguably lost are LGB, BNA and maybe IAD. Also, OGG is not permanently cancelled but LIH is (which they seem to have mixed up). Whoever made that route map should have conduced more thorough research. They also forgot PHL, although AA just dropped that within the last week so I guess I get why that wasn't included.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:43 pm

AC4500 wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
A couple Oregon SCASD applications with RDM seeking a DFW flight, and SLE seeking new service. Here’s the link to the SLE application:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf

I kind of feel it’s a little misleading stating that PDX has permanently lost 21 nonstop routes such as BOS, AUS, EWR, OGG, etc which obviously isn’t true. But I do hope SLE can get someone in there.

LOL. The route map that they included of PDX's "lost routes" is complete nonsense. The only permanent U.S. routes in that map that are arguably lost are LGB, BNA and maybe IAD. Also, OGG is not permanently cancelled but LIH is (which they seem to have mixed up). Whoever made that route map should have conduced more thorough research. They also forgot PHL, although AA just dropped that within the last week so I guess I get why that wasn't included.


Even with LIH, isn’t that a seasonal drop until October?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:47 pm

Could we see a link to the coast like in Astoria? It is near Seaside and Cannon Beach. Astoria is booming with homes selling in a day. The river waterfront area is growing. Would be nice to avoid PDX and driving from there. Lots of city people buying places in Astoria who no longer need to live in the city. Wonder if UA to SFO or Alaska to SEA would work.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:42 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Could we see a link to the coast like in Astoria? It is near Seaside and Cannon Beach. Astoria is booming with homes selling in a day. The river waterfront area is growing. Would be nice to avoid PDX and driving from there. Lots of city people buying places in Astoria who no longer need to live in the city. Wonder if UA to SFO or Alaska to SEA would work.


That would be extremely surprising. Astoria and Clatsop County may be growing and have a good tourist draw, if anything it would be less than daily, summer seasonal. OTH works because of Bandon Dunes golf course and United has the monopoly there. OTH wants a PDX link, but QX was the only one to really make it work, but that was only with the Dash 8-100/Q200.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:54 pm

LIH comes back in September. (as of now) IAD is also returning early May.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:40 pm

Could be just a google flights error, but I'm seeing a second daily JFK-PDX flight from June 3 - June 9 (could be even further out given that the interim schedule is only updated to 6/9). If true, that would be quite an interesting development given that both AS and DL currently have the route suspended.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:49 pm

UA will resume EWR-PDX in May at 5x weekly (right around the same time AS resumes the route at 4x weekly). Still surprised to see JFK-PDX suspended on DL, as I figured that would have came back first.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:10 am

It's really frustrating how much Alaska has scaled back n/s from PDX. They REALLY want you to connect through Seattle. A couple flight searches from tonight...

4/22 PDX-PSP: 1x ($599 o/w)
4/22 SEA-PSP: 6x ($60 - $249 o/w)
4/22 PDX-SEA 14x

5/18 PDX-MFR: 1x ($94 o/w)
5/18 SEA-MFR: 6x ($49 o/w)
5/18 PDX-SEA 13x
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 am

PacificWest wrote:
It's really frustrating how much Alaska has scaled back n/s from PDX. They REALLY want you to connect through Seattle. A couple flight searches from tonight...

4/22 PDX-PSP: 1x ($599 o/w)
4/22 SEA-PSP: 6x ($60 - $249 o/w)
4/22 PDX-SEA 14x

5/18 PDX-MFR: 1x ($94 o/w)
5/18 SEA-MFR: 6x ($49 o/w)
5/18 PDX-SEA 13x


Yeah, the prices out of PDX right now are pretty ridiculous for some non-stop flights. But if AS can fly a full plane by connecting passengers like they are, that makes more sense for them financially. Airlines are having to get creative with less demand, and if someone wants the nonstop, they’ll pay for,it and the airlines know that. I don’t think it has anything to do with a dislike for PDX, it has more to do with survival.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:23 am

Same goes for YVR pre-pandemic. Last time I flew up there, had to connect through SEA both ways because it was 1x PDX and 6x SEA. It’s frustrating. I understand PDX obviously doesn’t have the traffic even in normal times but it sure feels like AS barely schedules the minimum.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:26 am

Hey maybe southwest could finally try to grow at PDX it’s a better chance of them growing there then SEA
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2021

Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:48 am

AS737MAX wrote:
Same goes for YVR pre-pandemic. Last time I flew up there, had to connect through SEA both ways because it was 1x PDX and 6x SEA. It’s frustrating. I understand PDX obviously doesn’t have the traffic even in normal times but it sure feels like AS barely schedules the minimum.


Pre-pandemic I feel like Portland had more traffic than was given credit. Portland’s in a weird spot with Alaska caring more about Seattle, but also being the dominant carrier at PDX which prevents other airlines from making a significant push in Portland. It’s a good sized city but not big enough for another airline to take the risk. Sun Country sort of did it, obviously that experiment failed. It does make me wonder though, if another large airline came in and fought against Alaska, what would Alaska’s response be? Would they be as defensive as they were in Seattle when Delta started making their push?
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