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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 4:10 pm

NZ321 wrote:
All this talk of back to basics... yet I hear AA have confirmed a start date for CHC and AKL - January 2022. That's hardly back to basics. What do you all make of this?

QF JV routes, I'd take back to basics is JV partner hubs/routes. Though I'd guess the actual restart of flights to NZ and OZ are fluid.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 4:14 pm

NZ321 wrote:
All this talk of back to basics... yet I hear AA have confirmed a start date for CHC and AKL - January 2022. That's hardly back to basics. What do you all make of this?


We don't know this for sure in relation to the AA/QF JV but in the past for other JVs, such as NZ/SQ the New Zealand government has been quite adamant that the only way to gain approval is by keeping up a certain amount of service including, often, to both the north and south islands. It seems to me that if AA continues AKL and especially if it adds CHC it will almost certainly be to make sure the government of New Zealand is happy with the JV (which covers flights between the US and CA to both Australia and New Zealand, in case that wasn't clear).

Also, I think people are reading too much into this "back to basics". I think this is likely a short-term strategy to return to profitability. AA retired lots of widebodies, that's true, but they have plenty on order, plus 321XLRs. In a few years they'll be back to where they were.

Also, the suggestion by another poster above that everything AA cut was unprofitable is just silly. Many of the routes that have been pared back did very well. This is AA admitting that the future landscape, especially for international flying, is going to look different for some time. What was profitable and what will be profitable are potentially different. They don't know what will be profitable in the coming years so they're going to add back carefully and strategically as their international fleet is replenished. That starts with focusing on some of the more "sure-fire" destinations like LHR, CDG, and FCO, but if some of their oddball routes look like good bets for the future they'll come back too. Remember that AA will still be gathering lots of data on where people are flying in Europe, Asia, and AU/NZ from their respective JVs, even if they aren't flying to all of their former destinations.

You can argue that AA is being too cautious, especially compared to UA, which is fair, but at least they seem to have a coherent strategy for building back the international part of the airline, which is good to see.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 5:58 pm

airlinermiami wrote:
Does anybody know this summer schedule for AA to Madrid?

normally there are on AA metal:
2 daily flights Dallas-Madrid 772/789
1 daily flight Miami -Madrid 772
1 daily flight New York (JFK)-Madrid 772
1 daily flight Philadelphia -Madrid 772/330
1 daily flight Charlotte-Madrid 772/330

Besides the AA metal flights , there are the JV AA/IB flights with Iberia metal ( 2 daily JFK-MAD, 2 daily MIA-MAD, 1 daily BOS-MAD, 1 daily ORD-MAD, 1 daily LAX-MAD, 3 weekly SFO-MAD and the newest 5 weekly service that supposed to begin summer 2020 that never started Washington-Dulles to MAD)


I believe only DFW/MIA/JFK will begin MAD service this summer
a quick check on AA.com has one flight from each of those cities. DFW 789, MIA 772, JFK 772
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun May 30, 2021 6:18 pm

miaami wrote:
airlinermiami wrote:
Does anybody know this summer schedule for AA to Madrid?

normally there are on AA metal:
2 daily flights Dallas-Madrid 772/789
1 daily flight Miami -Madrid 772
1 daily flight New York (JFK)-Madrid 772
1 daily flight Philadelphia -Madrid 772/330
1 daily flight Charlotte-Madrid 772/330

Besides the AA metal flights , there are the JV AA/IB flights with Iberia metal ( 2 daily JFK-MAD, 2 daily MIA-MAD, 1 daily BOS-MAD, 1 daily ORD-MAD, 1 daily LAX-MAD, 3 weekly SFO-MAD and the newest 5 weekly service that supposed to begin summer 2020 that never started Washington-Dulles to MAD)


I believe only DFW/MIA/JFK will begin MAD service this summer
a quick check on AA.com has one flight from each of those cities. DFW 789, MIA 772, JFK 772


PHL and CLT are both due back 8/17. Who knows if that happens or not.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon May 31, 2021 11:05 pm

After the previous week´s spat over frequencies and flights restrictions during COVID it seems Argentina and the US have reached an agreement moving forward to begin normalizing flights between the two countries. The announcement would come as early as tomorrow and as far as American is concerned, the following are the increase in # of frequencies:

Effective immediately

* MIA goes from 30 to 55 monthly flights
* DFW goes from 8 to 18 monthly flights

Effective 2nd half of June

* JFK service returns, initially 4x week

One of the MIA flights is upgauging to the 77W as of June 3rd (the plane for this service comes from MIA-GRU, which is being downgauged to the 77E). The additional MIA flights also see the return of MIA-based FAs to the route, as currently it´s just the EZE-based FAs covering the route.

Additionally, AR is going to 36 monthly frequencies on the EZE-MIA route, (9x week). Many, many Argentinians going to the US for COVID vaccines.

https://twitter.com/norbertodupesso/sta ... 8458270726
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:50 am

dfw88 wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
All this talk of back to basics... yet I hear AA have confirmed a start date for CHC and AKL - January 2022. That's hardly back to basics. What do you all make of this?


We don't know this for sure in relation to the AA/QF JV but in the past for other JVs, such as NZ/SQ the New Zealand government has been quite adamant that the only way to gain approval is by keeping up a certain amount of service including, often, to both the north and south islands. It seems to me that if AA continues AKL and especially if it adds CHC it will almost certainly be to make sure the government of New Zealand is happy with the JV (which covers flights between the US and CA to both Australia and New Zealand, in case that wasn't clear).

Also, I think people are reading too much into this "back to basics". I think this is likely a short-term strategy to return to profitability. AA retired lots of widebodies, that's true, but they have plenty on order, plus 321XLRs. In a few years they'll be back to where they were.

Also, the suggestion by another poster above that everything AA cut was unprofitable is just silly. Many of the routes that have been pared back did very well. This is AA admitting that the future landscape, especially for international flying, is going to look different for some time. What was profitable and what will be profitable are potentially different. They don't know what will be profitable in the coming years so they're going to add back carefully and strategically as their international fleet is replenished. That starts with focusing on some of the more "sure-fire" destinations like LHR, CDG, and FCO, but if some of their oddball routes look like good bets for the future they'll come back too. Remember that AA will still be gathering lots of data on where people are flying in Europe, Asia, and AU/NZ from their respective JVs, even if they aren't flying to all of their former destinations.

You can argue that AA is being too cautious, especially compared to UA, which is fair, but at least they seem to have a coherent strategy for building back the international part of the airline, which is good to see.


Re the New Zealand services I would be very surprised if it had anything to do with the QF/AA JV, that’s a date the NZ government have given to hope to have some sort of border opening, I’m not at all convinced it will happen but we will see. Not sure I would see all 3 routes to NZ LAX-AKL possibly first but DFW-AKL and LAX-CHC I have a bigger?

NZ/SQ, I’m pretty sure SQ are one of the airlines the NZ government has given additional if it were cargo carrying rights to keep freight supply from SIN and beyond to both AKL and CHC, again nothing to do with the JV between NZ/SQ.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:46 am

MIA-Paramaribo (PBM) starting up August 3 on the A319.

5:30pm - 11:30pm MIA-PBM
1:45am - 6:05am PBM-MIA

Not the greatest times, though I'm sure many will tell me how this is a "great" schedule.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:04 am

N62NA wrote:
MIA-Paramaribo (PBM) starting up August 3 on the A319.

5:30pm - 11:30pm MIA-PBM
1:45am - 6:05am PBM-MIA

Not the greatest times, though I'm sure many will tell me how this is a "great" schedule.


Not a great schedule but a schedule that PBM is used to.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:07 am

N62NA wrote:
MIA-Paramaribo (PBM) starting up August 3 on the A319.

5:30pm - 11:30pm MIA-PBM
1:45am - 6:05am PBM-MIA

Not the greatest times, though I'm sure many will tell me how this is a "great" schedule.


For Surinam, it’s fine. In Latin America (and Guyana and Surinam), this is normal.

You and I aren’t hopping on a red eye from Paramaribo anytime soon. We aren’t the market. Short haul redeyes work very well from this region and the schedule in both directions maximizes both a) connections and b) time in Miami.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:49 am

MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:
MIA-Paramaribo (PBM) starting up August 3 on the A319.

5:30pm - 11:30pm MIA-PBM
1:45am - 6:05am PBM-MIA

Not the greatest times, though I'm sure many will tell me how this is a "great" schedule.


For Surinam, it’s fine. In Latin America (and Guyana and Surinam), this is normal.

You and I aren’t hopping on a red eye from Paramaribo anytime soon. We aren’t the market. Short haul redeyes work very well from this region and the schedule in both directions maximizes both a) connections and b) time in Miami.


Exactly. That is a completely typical schedule to Northern South America.

Just looking at the timetable, AA has flights to GEO, BOG, GYE, UIO and LIM that have similar schedules. When AA flies to MAO it also has similar timings.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:53 am

usflyer msp wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:
MIA-Paramaribo (PBM) starting up August 3 on the A319.

5:30pm - 11:30pm MIA-PBM
1:45am - 6:05am PBM-MIA

Not the greatest times, though I'm sure many will tell me how this is a "great" schedule.


For Surinam, it’s fine. In Latin America (and Guyana and Surinam), this is normal.

You and I aren’t hopping on a red eye from Paramaribo anytime soon. We aren’t the market. Short haul redeyes work very well from this region and the schedule in both directions maximizes both a) connections and b) time in Miami.


Exactly. That is a completely typical schedule to Northern South America.

Just looking at the timetable, AA has flights to GEO, BOG, GYE, UIO and LIM that have similar schedules. When AA flies to MAO it also has similar timings.


AA also has DFW flights with schedules like that too - BOG-DFW, GUA-DFW, and UIO-DFW when they flew it.

I personally like that 1:00am-5:00am return when I travel on holiday. It allows for a full day in the departure city and an early connection home.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:42 pm

Fair amount of pax connecting through AUS with some of AA's new routes: https://viewfromthewing.com/austin-is-q ... cting-hub/

For Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day, American expected a 97.6% load factor for its Austin flights. This was substantially helped by connecting traffic such as:

14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Miami
27 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Dallas
47 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Orlando
21 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and New Orleans
15 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Nashville
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Los Angeles and Miami
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Phoenix and Miami
16 passengers on a single flight connecting between Nashville and Los Angeles
42 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Los Angeles
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Phoenix
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Las Vegas
14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Orlando and Las Vegas
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:29 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Fair amount of pax connecting through AUS with some of AA's new routes: https://viewfromthewing.com/austin-is-q ... cting-hub/

For Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day, American expected a 97.6% load factor for its Austin flights. This was substantially helped by connecting traffic such as:

14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Miami
27 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Dallas
47 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Orlando
21 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and New Orleans
15 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Nashville
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Los Angeles and Miami
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Phoenix and Miami
16 passengers on a single flight connecting between Nashville and Los Angeles
42 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Los Angeles
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Phoenix
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Las Vegas
14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Orlando and Las Vegas


That’s kind of cool to see to be honest. AUS is nicely positioned geographically to offer east-west connections (like Dfw is). Can alleviate pressure from Dfw during weather distributions as there’s less connections to re-accommodate. Taxi times are much shorter in AUS. Gates are not spaced across multiple concourses. AA can offer a more competitive price to AUS O&D traffic as the cost is being spread across a wide variety of itineraries. If I was connecting between Florida and the west coast, I’d definitely prefer an AUS connection. Hope the trend continues.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:53 pm

On Memorial Day Sunday (with a lot of traffic in the evening disrupted by thunderstorms over the field) I discovered there was someone on my DFW-AUS flight connecting to LAX. It is sort of bizarre to see AA hub-hub traffic flow over connections like this (and that list shows there's actually a fair amount), but I guess it must be cheaper and/or there were seats available.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:14 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Fair amount of pax connecting through AUS with some of AA's new routes: https://viewfromthewing.com/austin-is-q ... cting-hub/

For Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day, American expected a 97.6% load factor for its Austin flights. This was substantially helped by connecting traffic such as:

14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Miami
27 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Dallas
47 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Orlando
21 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and New Orleans
15 passengers on a single flight connecting between Las Vegas and Nashville
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Los Angeles and Miami
18 passengers on a single flight connecting between Phoenix and Miami
16 passengers on a single flight connecting between Nashville and Los Angeles
42 passengers on a single flight connecting between Miami and Los Angeles
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Phoenix
10 passengers on a single flight connecting between Dallas and Las Vegas
14 passengers on a single flight connecting between Orlando and Las Vegas


Not sure if it is intentional, but I've been in/out of LAS quite a few times in the last month and AA connections through AUS have been the cheapest by a meaningful amount.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:19 pm

How are the schedules for these connections. If it helps the flights become more profitable, why not? Let’s hope AA succeeds with their new AUS expansion.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:23 pm

On hub to hub sectors, AA's reservation system seems to add in a lot of connecting flights via outstations at a higher proportion than UA or DL. I've seen routings such as PHL-ALB-ORD and CLT-DEN-LAX for example on AA.com.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:29 pm

I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:38 pm

chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


In theory yes there is logic to use the capacity and build such connections, but you also have higher misconnection rates and costs associated with such.

In past life, I worked for a carrier that also got creative by linking such segments, but in practice, they found they were problematic often stranding passengers in random spoke cities, with a single misconnect cost wiping away profit on dozen of other tickets, and leaving upset consumers in their wake.
Eventually, system logic was redesigned to deemphasize such options except day of flight availability for airport staff to assist them in recovering from IRROPS.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:24 pm

dcajet wrote:
After the previous week´s spat over frequencies and flights restrictions during COVID it seems Argentina and the US have reached an agreement moving forward to begin normalizing flights between the two countries. The announcement would come as early as tomorrow and as far as American is concerned, the following are the increase in # of frequencies:

Effective immediately

* MIA goes from 30 to 55 monthly flights
* DFW goes from 8 to 18 monthly flights

Effective 2nd half of June

* JFK service returns, initially 4x week

One of the MIA flights is upgauging to the 77W as of June 3rd (the plane for this service comes from MIA-GRU, which is being downgauged to the 77E). The additional MIA flights also see the return of MIA-based FAs to the route, as currently it´s just the EZE-based FAs covering the route.

Additionally, AR is going to 36 monthly frequencies on the EZE-MIA route, (9x week). Many, many Argentinians going to the US for COVID vaccines.

https://twitter.com/norbertodupesso/sta ... 8458270726


UPDATE

Changes went thru yesterday, with the exception of MIA-EZE-MIA that remains at one daily flight, albeit now operated with the 77W, offering a 15% capacity increase on the route.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:36 pm

I am curious about the yields on MIA-AUS-LAX compared to MIA-LAX. There is a ton of capacity on MIA-LAX, but no doubt it was busy during the long weekend and in general, so how good is an AUS connection point if it is a place for cheap connections...just a devil's advocate hypothesis.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:20 pm

slowrambler wrote:
On Memorial Day Sunday (with a lot of traffic in the evening disrupted by thunderstorms over the field) I discovered there was someone on my DFW-AUS flight connecting to LAX. It is sort of bizarre to see AA hub-hub traffic flow over connections like this (and that list shows there's actually a fair amount), but I guess it must be cheaper and/or there were seats available.

I was sitting next to somone flying DFW-ELP-PHX-LAX the other day. The ticket was bought that way (in first).

These kinds of connections used to be more common in the days before fare connectivity was severely restricted.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:04 am

New Month New Routes

6/3 AUS-TPA (Tampa, FL)
6/3 BNA-RDU (Raleigh/Durham, NC)
6/3 BOS-AUS (Austin, TX)
6/3 BOS-ILM (Wilmington, NC)
6/3 BOS-IND (Indianapolis, IN)
6/3 BOS-LHR (London, UK)
6/3 BOS-TVC (Traverse City, MI)
6/3 CLT-FCA (Kalispell, MT)
6/3 CLT-MHH (Marsh Harbour, Bahamas)
6/3 CLT-RNO (Reno, NV)
6/3 DFW-HMO (Hermosillo, Mexico)
6/3 DFW-IDA (Idaho Falls, ID)
6/3 JFK-ATH (Athens, Greece)
6/3 LAX-DRO (Durango, CO)
6/3 LAX-FCA (Kalispell, MT)
6/3 LAX-MSO (Missoula, MT)
6/3 LGA-HHH (Hilton Head Island, SC)
6/3 ORD-BIL (Billings, MT)
6/3 ORD-FAI (Fairbanks, AK)
6/3 ORD-FAT (Fresno, CA)
6/3 ORD-GEG (Spokane, WA)
6/3 PHL-TVC (Traverse City, MI)
6/3 PHX-ACV (Arcata/Eureka, CA)
6/3 PHX-IDA (Idaho Falls, ID)
6/4 MIA-TLV (Tel Aviv, Israel)
6/5 AUS-ASE (Aspen, CO)
6/5 AUS-NAS (Nassau, Bahamas)
6/5 AUS-VPS (Destin/Ft Walton Beach, FL)
6/5 BOS-AVL (Asheville, NC)
6/5 BOS-JAC (Jackson, WY)
6/5 CLT-AZS (Samana, DR)
6/5 DCA-MLB (Melbourne, FL)
6/5 DFW-MID (Merida, Mexico)
6/5 DFW-SDQ (Santo Domingo DR)
6/5 DFW-SXM (St Maarten)
6/5 DFW-UVF (St Lucia)
6/5 JFK-PLS (Providenciales, Turks and Caicos)
6/5 JFK-UVF (St Lucia)
6/5 LAX-CUN (Cancun, Mexico)
6/5 LAX-SAF (Santa Fe, NM)
6/5 LGA-BZN (Bozeman, MT)
6/5 LGA-FCA (Kalispell, MT)
6/5 LGA-RAP (Rapid City, SD)
6/5 MCO-BHM (Birmingham, AL)
6/5 MCO-BNA (Nashville, TN)
6/5 MCO-DAY (Dayton,.OH)
6/5 MCO-IND (Indianapolis, IN)
6/5 MCO-MEM (Memphis, TN)
6/5 MCO-PIT (Pittsburgh, PA)
6/5 MCO-RDU (Raleigh/Durham, NC)
6/5 MCO-SDF (Louisville, KY)
6/5 MIA-HSV (Huntsville, AL)
6/5 MIA-JAN (Jackson, MS)
6/5 MIA-LIT (Little Rock, AR)
6/5 RDU-VPS (Destin/Ft Walton Beach, FL)
6/26 MIA-BGR (Bangor, ME)
6/26 ORD-ACK (Nantucket, MA)


Seasonal and/or Returning Routes restarting this month also include:

CLT to TVC MVY ACK
DCA to TVC
DFW to ACK MVY
JFK to JAC MAD EZE
ORD to ATH MSO SCE
LGA to TVC MYR HHH NAS BDA
MIA to OKC CAE MAD
PHL to ACK MVY
PHX to RAP EWR

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am

I am going PHX RNO and Non-stops in F on the outbound were 1100. By connecting thru LAX it is 660 RT. It is an hour layover in LAX so it was worth it to me to connect in LAX on the outbound and Non-Stop on the return all of the trip is in F.

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:48 am

As a Delta fan, I was highly impressed with the amount of legroom American Airlines provided on my all flights. My Memorial Day 7:05 am SFO flight to CLT was packed, and the CLT hub is bustling at the seams.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:27 am

chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


Connections through AUS are obviously less desirable than O&D (you would much rather have the AUS point of sale filling these flights) but they fall into two buckets:
Spoke-AUS-Spoke
Hub-AUS-Spoke/Hub

Spoke-AUS-Spoke connections are going to be the better of the two to have as they are going to typically yield better. For example LAS-AUS-BNA doesn't cost substantially more than LAS-DFW-BNA so as long as the ticket prices are roughly the same (although yield management can also steer certain connections towards AUS to help reserve higher yield BNA seats for DFW as opposed to dragging them down with LAS seats).

Hub-AUS-Spoke/Hub flights are always going to be less desirable. For example, the MIA-AUS-LAX pax did not help the yield one bit - nobody chooses to connect through AUS for more $ so you know that they likely overall paid less than the N/S MIA-LAX but at the added cost of an extra sector. Likewise the pax travelling DFW-AUS-LAS certainly cost AA more than the DFW-LAS N/S pax. These are not the connections AA wants to sell but they exist and are sold in larger amounts (without getting too technical) when the individual segments meet the price floor requirements for the non-stop. AA has a lot of these through SLC, DEN, IAH, STL, and DSM year-round so no real surprise this exists in AUS with the additional spokes.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:52 am

What happened to the DFW-DUB direct flight? AA cancelled my direct flight in Sept. Did the route ever start?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:26 pm

When will the final August schedule be published?
Especially the US-EU flights scheduled for mid-month like JFK-BCN
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:19 pm

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/t ... 96.article

“Point-to-point is going to be more important that it was. How much remains to be seen,” adds American Airlines vice-president of network and schedule planning Brian Znotins.

With transatlantic travel demand in the gutter, American needs fewer connecting seats on domestic flights from Philadelphia, Znotins says.

“This summer, if you… [are] flying through Dallas-Fort Worth or Charlotte, it will look like a normal year,” he says.

The pandemic – and availability of otherwise parked jets – led American to experiment with new routes, Znotins says, citing a winter-season Kansas City-Cancun run.

American might eventually end some of its new routes, shifting those aircraft back to hub-and-spoke runs. But others proved successful enough to remain in the network after recovery, he adds.

Znotins says American will differentiate itself with schedule. “We are simply not going to stand by and have inferior schedules and make things easy for them (speaking about Breeze),” he says.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:46 pm

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As a Delta fan, I was highly impressed with the amount of legroom American Airlines provided on my all flights. My Memorial Day 7:05 am SFO flight to CLT was packed, and the CLT hub is bustling at the seams.

A good chunk of AA’s fleet consisting of un-refurbished planes from the US fleet have 32 inch pitch in Y.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:42 pm

Jeez, what's with TVC?? Especially BOS-TVC? What's with that?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:00 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
As a Delta fan, I was highly impressed with the amount of legroom American Airlines provided on my all flights. My Memorial Day 7:05 am SFO flight to CLT was packed, and the CLT hub is bustling at the seams.

A good chunk of AA’s fleet consisting of un-refurbished planes from the US fleet have 32 inch pitch in Y.


That’s the funny thing, every time someone says “oh it’s a legacy US bird”, it’s meant to be degrading. The US 321s are by far my favorite configuration (except row 22).
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:05 pm

ABEguy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
As a Delta fan, I was highly impressed with the amount of legroom American Airlines provided on my all flights. My Memorial Day 7:05 am SFO flight to CLT was packed, and the CLT hub is bustling at the seams.

A good chunk of AA’s fleet consisting of un-refurbished planes from the US fleet have 32 inch pitch in Y.


That’s the funny thing, every time someone says “oh it’s a legacy US bird”, it’s meant to be degrading. The US 321s are by far my favorite configuration (except row 22).

they had some seats in the row behind the exit row where you could have a window and literally limitless legroom. It was awesome. Paid extra for them several times on CLT-LAX/SEA/PHX back in the day.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:39 pm

ABEguy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
As a Delta fan, I was highly impressed with the amount of legroom American Airlines provided on my all flights. My Memorial Day 7:05 am SFO flight to CLT was packed, and the CLT hub is bustling at the seams.

A good chunk of AA’s fleet consisting of un-refurbished planes from the US fleet have 32 inch pitch in Y.


That’s the funny thing, every time someone says “oh it’s a legacy US bird”, it’s meant to be degrading. The US 321s are by far my favorite configuration (except row 22).


I haven't been on an AA aircraft in 16 months so I don't know what changes have occurred. However, my main issue with the pmUS birds was the lack of at-seat power in the J cabin. Many pmUS aircraft did not have it. For anything more than a one hour flight, that is simply unacceptable in my book. I used to hunt around for Boeing aircraft to fly on AA in order to avoid the the US birds and lack of at-seat power.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:06 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Jeez, what's with TVC?? Especially BOS-TVC? What's with that?


It's a growing summer vacation spot. I also was originally a naysayer, but when I married into a 'Mitten' family was indocrinated. It's VERY nice and fun during the summer - especially compared to southern states.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:31 pm

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Jeez, what's with TVC?? Especially BOS-TVC? What's with that?


Tons of money in Traverse City. AA now flies there from like 6-7 different cities. By far the largest carrier.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:55 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/the-big-shift-how-the-pandemic-forced-us-airlines-to-revamp-networks/143996.article

“Point-to-point is going to be more important that it was. How much remains to be seen,” adds American Airlines vice-president of network and schedule planning Brian Znotins.

With transatlantic travel demand in the gutter, American needs fewer connecting seats on domestic flights from Philadelphia, Znotins says.

“This summer, if you… [are] flying through Dallas-Fort Worth or Charlotte, it will look like a normal year,” he says.

The pandemic – and availability of otherwise parked jets – led American to experiment with new routes, Znotins says, citing a winter-season Kansas City-Cancun run.

American might eventually end some of its new routes, shifting those aircraft back to hub-and-spoke runs. But others proved successful enough to remain in the network after recovery, he adds.

Znotins says American will differentiate itself with schedule. “We are simply not going to stand by and have inferior schedules and make things easy for them (speaking about Breeze),” he says.


Just went through CLT and DFW. Can confirm. Packed and very grateful for lounge access.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:05 am

chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:02 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.


You might be right, but few points to make:
1, You seems to suggest lower fares = trash yield = bad economics. Do you have any evidence to prove your point? As far as we know, lower fares does not ALWAYS translate to lower yield. There are many factors to consider, for example, the level closing in fares, the corporate contract buy outs, the subsidies, the higher yield from non-stop markets that may offsets lower fares on transit fares.
2, You seems to suggest an airline use its revenue management tools to bolster performance in a particular station is a bad thing. Don't other airlines do the same? Use lower price to allure passengers to fly through one underperforming hub to another?

One has to notice that airline revenue management is not to charge higher fares so that airplane fly empty or sit in some random airports because there is no profitable routes to fly. AA has many aircrafts that need routes to yield cash flow and revenue. In airline business you have to take penalties by flying less profitable routes as one stationary aircrafts means loosing money for every minute it does not fly. And sometimes one cheap fare on a less busy aircraft may means the entire profit made for that segment.

It is always a good thing when you see airlines trying to push sales of every single useable seats. If that seats got unsold, or the routes get cancelled because of performance issue, then that is a bad thing. Because that means the said airlines had to find an alternative routes to fly the surplus aircrafts. Not to forget there are investments needs to be made to find a new market.

Plus, it is a really good thing when an airline can uphold the higher fares through its hub, that means the said airlines are trying to defend the higher fares through its most important hubs, while using a focus city to compete on lower margin seats.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:51 am

I don't think many of these new AUS routes will last very long. Too much competition on them from LCCs. There is not enough justification to have them when AA is already the dominant legacy carrier there. Force cheap connections through AUS is not a sustainable strategy for an airline with as high cost as AA.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:10 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.

Exactly. I'm willing to bet that yields on the new routes are absolutely garbage.

Some are probably higher-yielding than others. I am willing to bet that collectively AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS will have higher yields than say AUS-TPA/MSY/BNA.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:38 pm

USAirALB wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.

Exactly. I'm willing to bet that yields on the new routes are absolutely garbage.

Some are probably higher-yielding than others. I am willing to bet that collectively AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS will have higher yields than say AUS-TPA/MSY/BNA.


Going back to Gary's numbers from what started this conversation, its actually only about 5% connecting pax in Austin give or take a few % points. That's high for an outstation but AUS has a higher number of opportunities right now. We also don't know how much is booked connection versus creative rerouting. As business travel resumes I assume a lot of routes being added in 2020-2021 that are chasing butts in seats will go away as the yield profile for the airline changes back closer to pre-pandemic mix, but in a system-wide low yield environment these may be reasonable routes for now.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:53 pm

USAirALB wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I actually think this a good thing (transit via non-hub). It takes advantage of the excessive capacity in non-hub while maintaining the network need. It is unconventional but hopefully the end of quarter numbers see some improvement. To many travellers smaller non-hub airports are easier to transit than giant hub location.

The hub to hub sector mentioned by USAirALB is very interesting too. I guess by doing that it can keep the higher yield on non-stop option, and leave rooms for Hub-Hub-Secondary City transit options.

Either way I find it fascinating. As a traveller, I always found this unconventional non-hub transit interesting.


It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.

Exactly. I'm willing to bet that yields on the new routes are absolutely garbage.

Some are probably higher-yielding than others. I am willing to bet that collectively AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS will have higher yields than say AUS-TPA/MSY/BNA.


Why would you bet that AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS have higher yield? They all have too much competition.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:28 pm

tphuang wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:

It's not a good thing. Spend a few minutes pricing fares on AA's website and you'll notice that the lowest fares most frequently involve a connection in AUS. That speaks volumes toward the flights' performance -- LF may be high, but AA is selling a ton of cheap tickets to achieve that. Nor are they protecting the local market, since fares are pretty low for the local market as well. Ultimately, I'd be surprised if these flights collectively are profitable.

Exactly. I'm willing to bet that yields on the new routes are absolutely garbage.

Some are probably higher-yielding than others. I am willing to bet that collectively AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS will have higher yields than say AUS-TPA/MSY/BNA.


Why would you bet that AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS have higher yield? They all have too much competition.

AUS-WAS has too much competition?

How does AUS-WAS have two much competition when only WN and UA are on the route in comparison to other segments such as ATL-AUS where you have four carriers serving the market.

AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS are more business-based than a flight to TPA.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:41 pm

USAirALB wrote:
tphuang wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Exactly. I'm willing to bet that yields on the new routes are absolutely garbage.

Some are probably higher-yielding than others. I am willing to bet that collectively AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS will have higher yields than say AUS-TPA/MSY/BNA.


Why would you bet that AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS have higher yield? They all have too much competition.

AUS-WAS has too much competition?

How does AUS-WAS have two much competition when only WN and UA are on the route in comparison to other segments such as ATL-AUS where you have four carriers serving the market.

AUS-RDU/IAD/BOS are more business-based than a flight to TPA.


business routes can have too much competition. Just because ATL-AUS has too much competition, it does not mean WAS-AUS does not have too much competition now.

WN gets a huge premium for having the only service to DCA. It also has service to BWI. UA does okay with IAD service. AA will be flying into the less attractive airport without much point of sale there.

AUS-RDU has way too much capacity for a route that had around 200 PDEW pre-COVID.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:37 pm

AA update on what US cities they plan to use the A321xlrs

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... s-a321xlr/
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:54 pm

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AA update on what US cities they plan to use the A321xlrs

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... s-a321xlr/


I wouldn't go by what Simple Flying reports. It's often inaccurate, not credible, and almost never well written. The A321XLRs will most likely operate form PHL, JFK, and MIA to start, and I don't see much use for them at ORD or CLT, as Simple Flying reports. CLT is such a massive hub, that it can fill 787s and 777s well. Same goes for ORD, which though a lot smaller than CLT, has the feed to fill a 787. I could see the 321XLR perhaps used in the winter to a few European destinations but that seems unlikely.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:53 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
AA update on what US cities they plan to use the A321xlrs

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... s-a321xlr/


I wouldn't go by what Simple Flying reports. It's often inaccurate, not credible, and almost never well written. The A321XLRs will most likely operate form PHL, JFK, and MIA to start, and I don't see much use for them at ORD or CLT, as Simple Flying reports. CLT is such a massive hub, that it can fill 787s and 777s well. Same goes for ORD, which though a lot smaller than CLT, has the feed to fill a 787. I could see the 321XLR perhaps used in the winter to a few European destinations but that seems unlikely.


Fair enough I actually wanted to post the Flight Global link about it as they were the ones who did the interview with the AA VP but it's behind a paid wall so this was the next best thing I could find.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:16 pm

The first flight to Athens left from JFK yesterday. 777-200, totally packed.

The first flight from ORD to Athens is about to leave today. 787-8 totally packed too.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:49 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
AA update on what US cities they plan to use the A321xlrs

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... s-a321xlr/


I wouldn't go by what Simple Flying reports. It's often inaccurate, not credible, and almost never well written. The A321XLRs will most likely operate form PHL, JFK, and MIA to start, and I don't see much use for them at ORD or CLT, as Simple Flying reports. CLT is such a massive hub, that it can fill 787s and 777s well. Same goes for ORD, which though a lot smaller than CLT, has the feed to fill a 787. I could see the 321XLR perhaps used in the winter to a few European destinations but that seems unlikely.

I don't see to many A321XLR from JFK because of slots constrains. Probably better off using widebodies at JFK and PHL will be just a reliver hub mostly using A321xlrs.

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