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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:42 pm

Ishrion wrote:
14 new Austin routes along with Tampa to RDU/BNA/LAX: https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... om-austin/

E175s on the continental U.S. routes, 738s to LIR/CUN/PVR/SJU.

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Nearly 100 daily flights out of Austin with American and its partners.

Genuinely amazing how much they're growing in AUS.

AUS-SJD/NAS also get a frequency boost. NAS upgauges from A319 to 738.

According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(


AA isn't removing AUS-PHX. A focus city to a hub is a lot more certain than virtually everything they added today.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:02 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
14 new Austin routes along with Tampa to RDU/BNA/LAX: https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... om-austin/

E175s on the continental U.S. routes, 738s to LIR/CUN/PVR/SJU.

Image

Nearly 100 daily flights out of Austin with American and its partners.

Genuinely amazing how much they're growing in AUS.

AUS-SJD/NAS also get a frequency boost. NAS upgauges from A319 to 738.

According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(

That’s not an official AA map, who every made it probably just overlooked the route. Right now AA is still flying it-today’s flight just arrived 15 minutes ago at time of writing.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 pm

Ishrion wrote:
14 new Austin routes along with Tampa to RDU/BNA/LAX: https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... om-austin/

E175s on the continental U.S. routes, 738s to LIR/CUN/PVR/SJU.

Image

Nearly 100 daily flights out of Austin with American and its partners.

Genuinely amazing how much they're growing in AUS.

AUS-SJD/NAS also get a frequency boost. NAS upgauges from A319 to 738.


The very telling thing with these adds is how AA is continuing to step well aside of routes AS operates to AUS. No bay area, no SAN/SEA/PDX (or BOI). Avoiding California (other than LAX - the only route they compete with AS) is probably also to not get into a fare/capacity war with WN.

Also, considering how Florida seems to work well for AA right now, it's a little bit surprising they didn't give FLL or PBI a try (even with MIA down the road).
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:39 pm

Polot wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
14 new Austin routes along with Tampa to RDU/BNA/LAX: https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... om-austin/

E175s on the continental U.S. routes, 738s to LIR/CUN/PVR/SJU.

Image

Nearly 100 daily flights out of Austin with American and its partners.

Genuinely amazing how much they're growing in AUS.

AUS-SJD/NAS also get a frequency boost. NAS upgauges from A319 to 738.

According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(

That’s not an official AA map, who every made it probably just overlooked the route. Right now AA is still flying it-today’s flight just arrived 15 minutes ago at time of writing.

Surprising they would overlook a hub like PHX, but not some place like RNO.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:25 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
14 new Austin routes along with Tampa to RDU/BNA/LAX: https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... om-austin/

E175s on the continental U.S. routes, 738s to LIR/CUN/PVR/SJU.

Image

Nearly 100 daily flights out of Austin with American and its partners.

Genuinely amazing how much they're growing in AUS.

AUS-SJD/NAS also get a frequency boost. NAS upgauges from A319 to 738.

According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(


Sorry, I made the map with gcmap.com and rushed it. I missed PHX/VPS and potentially other ones. I should’ve left a note on the post.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:37 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Polot wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
According to the map, it looks like AUS-PHX is no more. :(

That’s not an official AA map, who every made it probably just overlooked the route. Right now AA is still flying it-today’s flight just arrived 15 minutes ago at time of writing.

Surprising they would overlook a hub like PHX, but not some place like RNO.


AA has flown AUS - PHX continuously since the US merger. It's currently being flown 3x Daily (2x 738, 1x A321).

Looking at the October schedule (when all of these cities are supposed to be added) it appears PHX goes up to 4x Daily (3x A319, 1x 738).

For comparison sake WN is operating this route 5x on Sunday - Friday and 3x on Saturdays.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 am

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Bigant0408 wrote:
AA update on what US cities they plan to use the A321xlrs

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... s-a321xlr/


I wouldn't go by what Simple Flying reports. It's often inaccurate, not credible, and almost never well written. The A321XLRs will most likely operate form PHL, JFK, and MIA to start, and I don't see much use for them at ORD or CLT, as Simple Flying reports. CLT is such a massive hub, that it can fill 787s and 777s well. Same goes for ORD, which though a lot smaller than CLT, has the feed to fill a 787. I could see the 321XLR perhaps used in the winter to a few European destinations but that seems unlikely.


In this particular case, I believe the article is accurate. PHL and JFK obviously open up the potential to fly thin TATL routes that aren't feasible on widebodies. At ORD and CLT, one of the opportunities is to extend more of the TATL network to be year-round. You can bet AA won't be dropping routes like ORD-DUB and ORD-CDG in the winter once the XLRs are on property... Another poster above mentioned CLT-MAD being a candidate for season extension, which I agree makes sense. Likely CLT-DUB as well.

In the winter season I could see some XLRs moving down to MIA to fly thinner South America routes (and maybe stuff like JFK-LIM). In the summer AA will likely want that capacity to be crossing the Atlantic.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:41 am

AA really took DL's focus city strategy and ran with it:

They've got large focus cities in AUS & BOS now, although BOS was kind of like that pre-covid
They serve ~20 destinations from RDU & MCO
Plus ~15 destinations from BNA & IND

I think we see a push into more TPA routes, since they just added RDU, BNA, and LAX from TPA. Pre-covid TPA wasn't a focus city for DL, but they operated TATL from there, and traditionally it was a location with a significant DL FF presence. They've really tried to corner any market where DL was strong pre-covid, even CVG, adding BOS & AUS.

Some of these adds must be requiring some connections though, AUS-LIR, 3x AUS-ELP, AUS-RNO, e.t.c.....should be interesting to see how these routes develop.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:09 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AA really took DL's focus city strategy and ran with it:

I think we see a push into more TPA routes, since they just added RDU, BNA, and LAX from TPA. Pre-covid TPA wasn't a focus city for DL, but they operated TATL from there, and traditionally it was a location with a significant DL FF presence. They've really tried to corner any market where DL was strong pre-covid, even CVG, adding BOS & AUS.


There are some more adds that AA could make out of LAX to better compete against DL at LAX such as the return of LAX-CMH/MCI/MSP/MSY nonstop service and the addition of LAX-CVG/DTW nonstop service.

There are also some more adds that AA could make out of LGA to better compete against DL in the NYC market such as LGA-BHM/DSM/GRR/GSP/LEX/MSN.

There are also some more adds that DL could make out of BOS, LAX, LGA, and SEA in order to better compete against AA/AS such as BOS-AVL/MDT/ROC/STL/SYR/ILM, LAX-CLT/ORD/OKC/OMA/PHL/STL, LGA-DAY/OKC/ROA, and SEA-ABQ/CMH/DFW/IAH/PHL/STL/SAT.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:03 am

AA has finally launched JFK-CLO yesterday after postponing the launch date from May 6th due to security concerns.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:00 am

Midwestindy wrote:
AA really took DL's focus city strategy and ran with it:

They've got large focus cities in AUS & BOS now, although BOS was kind of like that pre-covid
They serve ~20 destinations from RDU & MCO
Plus ~15 destinations from BNA & IND

I think we see a push into more TPA routes, since they just added RDU, BNA, and LAX from TPA. Pre-covid TPA wasn't a focus city for DL, but they operated TATL from there, and traditionally it was a location with a significant DL FF presence. They've really tried to corner any market where DL was strong pre-covid, even CVG, adding BOS & AUS.

Some of these adds must be requiring some connections though, AUS-LIR, 3x AUS-ELP, AUS-RNO, e.t.c.....should be interesting to see how these routes develop.


I didn’t realize they had made it to 15 at IND. nice for IND.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:33 pm

Hello, sorry if this has been discussed previously, but I see that AA 1173 O'hare-Orlando for the last few days has been upticked to the 777 and 787. This is the first time I've seen AA with the 787 at MCO. Is this temporary or is it going to stay a while?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:18 am

crownvic wrote:
Hello, sorry if this has been discussed previously, but I see that AA 1173 O'hare-Orlando for the last few days has been upticked to the 777 and 787. This is the first time I've seen AA with the 787 at MCO. Is this temporary or is it going to stay a while?


The 777-200ER on June 10 was likely a one-off upgauge to replace the 787-9 due to some issue considering it left six hours late.

AA has currently scheduled the daily 787-9 on ORD-MCO until August 16.

AA will also introduce the 787-8 to Orlando with a daily PHL-MCO running from July 1 through August 16.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:18 am

Ishrion wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Hello, sorry if this has been discussed previously, but I see that AA 1173 O'hare-Orlando for the last few days has been upticked to the 777 and 787. This is the first time I've seen AA with the 787 at MCO. Is this temporary or is it going to stay a while?


The 777-200ER on June 10 was likely a one-off upgauge to replace the 787-9 due to some issue considering it left six hours late.

AA has currently scheduled the daily 787-9 on ORD-MCO until August 16.

AA will also introduce the 787-8 to Orlando with a daily PHL-MCO running from July 1 through August 16.

Thank you, its nice to see the AA 787 here for the first time on regularly scheduled service!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:33 pm

Schedule updated through 10/6. Seeing lots of cuts at ORD and PHL, in particular...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Any changes regarding the international routes with the new schedule that was just uploaded?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:01 pm

AUS-IAD received a small cut. Won't operate on Saturdays through October 2. On Tuesdays it drops from 2x to 1x frequency through the first week of October.

Detroit313 wrote:
Any changes regarding the international routes with the new schedule that was just uploaded?


I compiled a list yesterday, pasting it over:

From Philadelphia (PHL):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 9, reduce from 1x daily to 4x weekly
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Charlotte (CLT):

Frankfurt (FRA) - Delayed from August 17 to October 7
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022

From New York (JFK):

Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Miami (MIA):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Chicago (ORD):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 11, reduce from daily to 4x weekly.

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Raleigh/Durham (RDU) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:25 pm

So, what is starting in August from PHL? Athens?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:53 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Schedule updated through 10/6. Seeing lots of cuts at ORD and PHL, in particular...


Those are the AA hubs whose demand/yields suffer the most outside summer (especially in an environment with less business travel, I'd think), so the cuts seem fairly intuitive.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:08 am

So, it seems like only Athens survived in Philadelphia for August resumption!

The bookings are pretty strong like from ORD and JFK!

Scheduled to start August 17th.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:12 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AUS-IAD received a small cut. Won't operate on Saturdays through October 2. On Tuesdays it drops from 2x to 1x frequency through the first week of October.

Detroit313 wrote:
Any changes regarding the international routes with the new schedule that was just uploaded?


I compiled a list yesterday, pasting it over:

From Philadelphia (PHL):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 9, reduce from 1x daily to 4x weekly
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Charlotte (CLT):

Frankfurt (FRA) - Delayed from August 17 to October 7
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022

From New York (JFK):

Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Miami (MIA):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Chicago (ORD):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 11, reduce from daily to 4x weekly.

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Raleigh/Durham (RDU) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

Have the BCN cuts been loaded yet? I'm still seeing PHL and JFK on sale prior to the delayed start dates.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:19 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AUS-IAD received a small cut. Won't operate on Saturdays through October 2. On Tuesdays it drops from 2x to 1x frequency through the first week of October.

Detroit313 wrote:
Any changes regarding the international routes with the new schedule that was just uploaded?


I compiled a list yesterday, pasting it over:

From Philadelphia (PHL):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 9, reduce from 1x daily to 4x weekly
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Charlotte (CLT):

Frankfurt (FRA) - Delayed from August 17 to October 7
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022

From New York (JFK):

Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Miami (MIA):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Chicago (ORD):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 11, reduce from daily to 4x weekly.

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Raleigh/Durham (RDU) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

Have the BCN cuts been loaded yet? I'm still seeing PHL and JFK on sale prior to the delayed start dates.


These have been loaded. Are you looking through aa.com? AA's bookings show PHL-BCN removed for 2021 and JFK-BCN delayed to October 30.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:20 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AUS-IAD received a small cut. Won't operate on Saturdays through October 2. On Tuesdays it drops from 2x to 1x frequency through the first week of October.



I compiled a list yesterday, pasting it over:

From Philadelphia (PHL):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 9, reduce from 1x daily to 4x weekly
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Charlotte (CLT):

Frankfurt (FRA) - Delayed from August 17 to October 7
Madrid (MAD) - Delayed from August 17 to March 27, 2022

From New York (JFK):

Barcelona (BCN) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Miami (MIA):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

From Chicago (ORD):

Paris (CDG) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Rome (FCO) - Delayed from August 17 to September 11, reduce from daily to 4x weekly.

From London (LHR):

Phoenix (PHX) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30
Raleigh/Durham (RDU) - Delayed from August 17 to October 30

Have the BCN cuts been loaded yet? I'm still seeing PHL and JFK on sale prior to the delayed start dates.


These have been loaded. Are you looking through aa.com? AA's bookings show PHL-BCN removed for 2021 and JFK-BCN delayed to October 30.

No. My mistake. I was using Google Flights and clearly they haven’t been fully updated yet. Once you get to aa.com to finalize, you see the error. Thanks.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:29 pm

October 30th sounds like the next check point / end of schedule where I wouldn't be surprised to see many of these routes simply suspended until S22.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:19 am

Anyone know what is going on with AA478.

Second night in a row it diverted to STL. Supposed to be PHX-PHL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:36 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Anyone know what is going on with AA478.

Second night in a row it diverted to STL. Supposed to be PHX-PHL.


EDIT: apparently it’s a refueling stop due to weight issues. I get it’s been really hot in PHX but I would think an A321 should have plenty of range for PHX-PHL even with lower fuel. But obviously I don’t really know. Interesting.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:30 am

What?? Don't people want to connect to Europe late this summer???

So, let me get this straight. There are more flights right now from AA's not-TATL-gateway station at JFK than there are from their TATL-gateway hub at PHL. What gives???
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:24 am

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What?? Don't people want to connect to Europe late this summer???

So, let me get this straight. There are more flights right now from AA's not-TATL-gateway station at JFK than there are from their TATL-gateway hub at PHL. What gives???

Just my take but leisure and business demand to Europe is extremely low. As such, PHL, which depends not just on O&D but significantly on connections as well, is doing poorly. NYC which has a larger VFR segment, which has been less affected demand wise and higher leisure than PHL currently simply makes more sense as there is more demand from there currently. Any connections that might have otherwise gone over PHL can be re-routed over JFK for the time being.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:32 am

Anyone know what’s going on in November? I’m seeing a much smaller schedule in November compared to October.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:46 am

PSA727 wrote:
What?? Don't people want to connect to Europe late this summer???

So, let me get this straight. There are more flights right now from AA's not-TATL-gateway station at JFK than there are from their TATL-gateway hub at PHL. What gives???


JFK is a TATL gateway for AA. It's just not as big as PHL. Demand to Europe is, right now, muted at best, and focused around a few destinations with few entry restrictions. The PHL gateway works as a connecting hub. At JFK, AA outsources much of that feed to B6, as part of the partnership and it is early days in that. JFK will feature much more prominently in AA's long haul intercontinental network than it has in years, as a consequence of the partnership and AA chasing corporate traffic in the biggest O&D market in the country, NYC. More of PHL's TATL network will come back slowly, but Vasu Raja has signaled the AA long haul network will be significantly smaller and more focused coming out of the pandemic than it was previously, which means JFK, MIA, DFW will remain the priority. CLT to some extent, because of its size. ORD will be seasonal for the most part, with PHL pretty much status quo with not a lot of growth. I'd expect some PHL routes to move to JFK (ZRH, for instance, which moved from JFK to PHL in 2015) and potentially one more.

The EU is set to lift many curbs on US entry this week, but it likely won't be enough to assure more demand this summer (maybe some, but not huge volumes).
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:47 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

I doubt it, but if one were to operate year-round, even if not daily, I would think either PHL or JFK over ORD. The issue with US-ATH is that outside of summer and specifically peak summer (plus shoulder), traffic falls off a cliff. Business demand is little to non-existent. Most of what travels outside of the summer is VFR, but to be fair, the market has not had a direct, year round flight other than EK's EWR-ATH. PHL would generate feed (so would ORD, but its an even longer stage length and the 787 would likely be needed for something else in the winter), and JFK would have the mix of B6 feed + potentially higher yielding traffic, though with DL and EK in the mix, there's probably enough between the two of them to meet whatever the market demand would be in what is a slow period for demand, outside of cargo. My sense is AA will keep ATH seasonal for now and see how it goes. It is going to 3 flights from 2 (ORD was a very successful launch and PHL did well all prior to the pandemic).


Did they internally announce that PHL-ATH was not coming back this year? It is tentatively scheduled to resume in Mid August.


It's not clear. Supposedly, PHL-ATH per AA was not supposed to be restarted this year owing to crew scheduling issues involving this flight specifically out of ATH, as a consequence of the A330 retirement and the inability of all former A330 routes to be fully staffed, piloted, etc...or something like that, but AA has plenty of wide body capacity to spare and if the bookings on ORD-ATH and JFK-ATH are strong, they could theoretically resume PHL-ATH for a shorter season. They have 6 777s operating MIA-LAX. One of those or more could come off. I guess we will see.


With the most recent schedule run, PHL-ATH will run from 8/17. They supposedly cut the route from June to 8/17 due to staffing issues. What changed that they will now operate the route?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:

Did they internally announce that PHL-ATH was not coming back this year? It is tentatively scheduled to resume in Mid August.


It's not clear. Supposedly, PHL-ATH per AA was not supposed to be restarted this year owing to crew scheduling issues involving this flight specifically out of ATH, as a consequence of the A330 retirement and the inability of all former A330 routes to be fully staffed, piloted, etc...or something like that, but AA has plenty of wide body capacity to spare and if the bookings on ORD-ATH and JFK-ATH are strong, they could theoretically resume PHL-ATH for a shorter season. They have 6 777s operating MIA-LAX. One of those or more could come off. I guess we will see.


With the most recent schedule run, PHL-ATH will run from 8/17. They supposedly cut the route from June to 8/17 due to staffing issues. What changed that they will now operate the route?


I have to think it has to do with fleet, language services and probably a wait and see on bookings so as to allow the JFK route to launch. They probably shuffled things around to make it work. August 17th is 2 months away. Should give them the time to sort out the operational needs to make the flight work.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:45 pm

asuflyer wrote:
AA has finally launched JFK-CLO yesterday after postponing the launch date from May 6th due to security concerns.


Any idea why the operation of AA in JFK to Colombia (BOG, MDE, CLO) is suffering of frequent delays and/or cancelations ? i.e. yesterday, BOG
flight left almost 2 hours late, MDE and CLO flights canceled.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:22 pm

AA JFK-LAS showing a start date of October 7th.

Are they finally bringing it back or is it placeholder?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:05 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
AA JFK-LAS showing a start date of October 7th.

Are they finally bringing it back or is it placeholder?


Most likely a placeholder.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:13 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:

Did they internally announce that PHL-ATH was not coming back this year? It is tentatively scheduled to resume in Mid August.


It's not clear. Supposedly, PHL-ATH per AA was not supposed to be restarted this year owing to crew scheduling issues involving this flight specifically out of ATH, as a consequence of the A330 retirement and the inability of all former A330 routes to be fully staffed, piloted, etc...or something like that, but AA has plenty of wide body capacity to spare and if the bookings on ORD-ATH and JFK-ATH are strong, they could theoretically resume PHL-ATH for a shorter season. They have 6 777s operating MIA-LAX. One of those or more could come off. I guess we will see.


With the most recent schedule run, PHL-ATH will run from 8/17. They supposedly cut the route from June to 8/17 due to staffing issues. What changed that they will now operate the route?

Hmm interesting. Funny that a B787 is scheduled from 7/1 to 8/16 for PHL-MCO.

Though I believe all the 787 are flown in from ORD and DFW.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:43 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
AA JFK-LAS showing a start date of October 7th.

Are they finally bringing it back or is it placeholder?

The interim schedule has been updated up to 10/6. Any part of AA's schedule beyond that is just a placeholder schedule.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:21 pm

After a 15 month long hiatus, AA reinstated flights from JFK to EZE. A cold Buenos Aires winter day (30F) welcomed the flight.

https://twitter.com/GDS_AA/status/1405257968648605696
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:35 pm

clo1973 wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
AA has finally launched JFK-CLO yesterday after postponing the launch date from May 6th due to security concerns.


Any idea why the operation of AA in JFK to Colombia (BOG, MDE, CLO) is suffering of frequent delays and/or cancelations ? i.e. yesterday, BOG
flight left almost 2 hours late, MDE and CLO flights canceled.

A big problem here is aircraft availability. BOG and MDE (but not CLO) require the "enhanced" A319's with the sharklets and higher-rated engines and there's little to no slack in that subfleet into/out of JFK if these airplanes end up running behind schedule. Those Colombia flights are redeyes and then those airplanes are needed to cover morning flights out of JFK to places like STT, which have been sometimes been suffering as well due to simply not having equipment to cover if the inbounds are running late out of MDE or BOG. I know storms in NYC caused problems on those Colombia flights recently, which leads to a ripple effect into the next day due to the tight scheduling.
These "enhanced" 319's are mostly based out of MIA, although the summer schedule has them operating into places like JAC and EYW from all over the system due to their additional performance.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:29 pm

747fan wrote:
clo1973 wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
AA has finally launched JFK-CLO yesterday after postponing the launch date from May 6th due to security concerns.


Any idea why the operation of AA in JFK to Colombia (BOG, MDE, CLO) is suffering of frequent delays and/or cancelations ? i.e. yesterday, BOG
flight left almost 2 hours late, MDE and CLO flights canceled.

A big problem here is aircraft availability. BOG and MDE (but not CLO) require the "enhanced" A319's with the sharklets and higher-rated engines and there's little to no slack in that subfleet into/out of JFK if these airplanes end up running behind schedule. Those Colombia flights are redeyes and then those airplanes are needed to cover morning flights out of JFK to places like STT, which have been sometimes been suffering as well due to simply not having equipment to cover if the inbounds are running late out of MDE or BOG. I know storms in NYC caused problems on those Colombia flights recently, which leads to a ripple effect into the next day due to the tight scheduling.
These "enhanced" 319's are mostly based out of MIA, although the summer schedule has them operating into places like JAC and EYW from all over the system due to their additional performance.


Why does CLO not require the LAA A319? It is farther than both BOG and MDE and higher altitude than BOG.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:10 am

How are JFK to Medellin and Cali doing ? These seem odd routes for AA to fly, if they are so good why not fly them before ? Five and a half hours are a long way to fly an A319.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:37 am

AA posted its flight attendant speaker vacancies for August and they are asking for Greek speakers in ORD, JFK and PHL. This is the first time this season that they have opened Greek vacancy spots for PHL.

Another sign that PHL - ATH is operating in August.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:57 am

usflyer msp wrote:
747fan wrote:
clo1973 wrote:

Any idea why the operation of AA in JFK to Colombia (BOG, MDE, CLO) is suffering of frequent delays and/or cancelations ? i.e. yesterday, BOG
flight left almost 2 hours late, MDE and CLO flights canceled.

A big problem here is aircraft availability. BOG and MDE (but not CLO) require the "enhanced" A319's with the sharklets and higher-rated engines and there's little to no slack in that subfleet into/out of JFK if these airplanes end up running behind schedule. Those Colombia flights are redeyes and then those airplanes are needed to cover morning flights out of JFK to places like STT, which have been sometimes been suffering as well due to simply not having equipment to cover if the inbounds are running late out of MDE or BOG. I know storms in NYC caused problems on those Colombia flights recently, which leads to a ripple effect into the next day due to the tight scheduling.
These "enhanced" 319's are mostly based out of MIA, although the summer schedule has them operating into places like JAC and EYW from all over the system due to their additional performance.


Why does CLO not require the LAA A319? It is farther than both BOG and MDE and higher altitude than BOG.


CLO is definitely not higher than BOG. BOG is 8700 feet, CLO is 3100.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:13 am

jfk777 wrote:
How are JFK to Medellin and Cali doing ? These seem odd routes for AA to fly, if they are so good why not fly them before ? Five and a half hours are a long way to fly an A319.


AA flew JFK-BOG in the 1990s for a time, and it didn't work out. CLO, MDE, and BOG were added as part of the B6/AA NE Partnership. B6 flies to Cartagena so these are complimentary routes. Not sure what the A319 issue is, when B6 flies A320/21 on the CTG route. AA has a number of A319's that are newer and used for longer routes into Latin America. They're not really odd routes for AA, given their footprint in Latin America and the renewed focus on JFK. All 3 routes are heavy on the VFR and leisure so the A319 is actually the perfect plane for this type of route, vs. the 757/767 they flew into BOG in the 1990s, which was too much plane but all that was available then.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:14 am

747fan wrote:
clo1973 wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
AA has finally launched JFK-CLO yesterday after postponing the launch date from May 6th due to security concerns.


Any idea why the operation of AA in JFK to Colombia (BOG, MDE, CLO) is suffering of frequent delays and/or cancelations ? i.e. yesterday, BOG
flight left almost 2 hours late, MDE and CLO flights canceled.

A big problem here is aircraft availability. BOG and MDE (but not CLO) require the "enhanced" A319's with the sharklets and higher-rated engines and there's little to no slack in that subfleet into/out of JFK if these airplanes end up running behind schedule. Those Colombia flights are redeyes and then those airplanes are needed to cover morning flights out of JFK to places like STT, which have been sometimes been suffering as well due to simply not having equipment to cover if the inbounds are running late out of MDE or BOG. I know storms in NYC caused problems on those Colombia flights recently, which leads to a ripple effect into the next day due to the tight scheduling.
These "enhanced" 319's are mostly based out of MIA, although the summer schedule has them operating into places like JAC and EYW from all over the system due to their additional performance.


Bingo.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:18 am

dcajet wrote:
After a 15 month long hiatus, AA reinstated flights from JFK to EZE. A cold Buenos Aires winter day (30F) welcomed the flight.

https://twitter.com/GDS_AA/status/1405257968648605696


The schedule on JFK-EZE has changed. AA 955 used to depart at 9:50-10:15pm, and now departs just before 1am.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:26 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
After a 15 month long hiatus, AA reinstated flights from JFK to EZE. A cold Buenos Aires winter day (30F) welcomed the flight.

https://twitter.com/GDS_AA/status/1405257968648605696


The schedule on JFK-EZE has changed. AA 955 used to depart at 9:50-10:15pm, and now departs just before 1am.


That is the work of the braintrust at Argentina's ANAC... they space arrivals @EZE so as to avoid too many people at customs and during the COVID on arrival testing. All airlines/all schedules have been upended. EZE can get very busy in the morning with the US and Europe arrivals.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 pm

We talk about Europe and Latin America but what about AA's Asia flights? I think the only places active are HND/NRT and ICN. China (PEK PVG HKG) has quarantine rules right now. Is AA losing money to Asia as it is rumored?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:45 pm

x1234 wrote:
We talk about Europe and Latin America but what about AA's Asia flights? I think the only places active are HND/NRT and ICN. China (PEK PVG HKG) has quarantine rules right now. Is AA losing money to Asia as it is rumored?


It is rumored? Lol. All airlines are losing tons money on all international pretty much. There are very very few exceptions and even those barely make any profit.

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