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Delta28L
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:09 am

Did the people do a visit to the Cleveland clinic since the Cleveland clinic has a hospital in Abu Dhabi?
 
avtcle
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:58 am

Looks like Spirit is doing away with CLE-EWR. It’s probably safe to say we’ll be left out of a lot of major LCC expansion until we get our passenger fees down for the airlines. But they’re needed and necessary for the master plan. It will be worth it in the long run.

That being said, United has FLL, RSW, MCO pushed out to the end of their booking window as daily, year-round. TPA is now pushed out to May 3rd (was April 2nd). CUN is pushed out to the end of the booking window as well. Saturday-only, year-round. I would be interested to see if UA would take advantage of a LCC drawback here.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:38 pm

Delta28L wrote:
Did the people do a visit to the Cleveland clinic since the Cleveland clinic has a hospital in Abu Dhabi?


The Main Campus here in Cleveland has the best Doctors, nurses and clinicians. When you have oil money you go the best.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:42 pm

    December load factors are here. Let's go:

    2020-12

    United Airlines
    CLE-MCO: 63%
    CLE-RSW: 80%
    CLE-TPA: 69%
    CLE-FLL: 79%
    CLE-EWR: 63%
    CLE-IAD 61%
    CLE-DEN: 51%
    CLE-IAH: 77%
    CLE-ORD: 66%

    Frontier Airlines
    CLE-MCO: 71%
    CLE-RSW: 77%
    CLE-TPA: 72%
    CLE-MIA: 60%
    CLE-SRQ: 65%
    CLE-DEN: 64%
    CLE-LAS: 56%
    CLE-PHX: 54%

    Spirit Airlines
    CLE-MCO: 78%
    CLE-RSW: 65%
    CLE-TPA: 72%
    CLE-FLL: 85%
    CLE-LAS: 63%
    CLE-LAX: 52%
    CLE-ATL: 70%

    Southwest Airlines
    CLE-MCO: 72%
    CLE-RSW: 69%
    CLE-TPA: 76%
    CLE-DEN: 57%
    CLE-LAS: 38%
    CLE-PHX: 75%
    CLE-BNA: 59%
    CLE-STL: 67%
    CLE-DAL: 49%
    CLE-HOU: 80%
    CLE-ATL: 86%
    CLE-BWI: 52%
    CLE-MDW: 47%

    Delta Airlines
    CLE-BOS: 29%
    CLE-ATL: 42%
    CLE-DTW: 34%
    CLE-MSP: 36%
    CLE-LGA: 29%

    American Airlines
    CLE-MIA: 72%
    CLE-PHX: 44%
    CLE-DFW: 52%
    CLE-ORD: 49%
    CLE-CLT: 71%
    CLE-PHL: 42%

    Allegiant Air
    CLE-SRQ: 61%
    CLE-SAV: 43%
    CLE-PGD: 67%

    JetBlue Airways
    CLE-RSW: 46%
    CLE-FLL: 66%
    CLE-BOS: 48%
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:25 pm

    ^Why is DL the lowest of the bunch? Do these numbers account for blocked off middle seats (if they still exist) so that the LF is not including middle seats? Or is DL so low because they don't fly where people want to go (Detroit, Atlanta) and most of the their traffic is connecting and in the age of covid, people don't want to connect (spend extra hours in a second airport)? DL is certainly a better product than UA, so trying to understand why its lower than all the others.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:39 pm

    Explain why you think Delta is a better product than United? I beg to differ.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:48 pm

    MohawkWeekend wrote:
    Delta28L wrote:
    Did the people do a visit to the Cleveland clinic since the Cleveland clinic has a hospital in Abu Dhabi?


    The Main Campus here in Cleveland has the best Doctors, nurses and clinicians. When you have oil money you go the best.

    The top level officials still come to Main Campus—there’s a special wing with bigger rooms and extra space for security and entourage made available for these folks when they come. In addition, Main Campus actively recruits some of the worst of the worst conditions requiring complicated surgeries from well outside of the Cleveland area. Like Mayo, it’s how they exist at all in a relatively small market. That is not replicated at any of the CCF regional facilities (Ie Florida, Vegas, Toronto, London when it gets up and running, or Abu Dhabi).
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:59 pm

    umichman wrote:
    greenair727 wrote:
    CLE and BKL should remain under city control. I agree with Citrus1492. You want better leadership? Elect a better mayor. They are city assets and should remain city assets. The only alternative I could see to city operations is if the city contracted another organization to run it---like the city of NY does with LGA and JFK--yet maintains ownership. But then you have another agency--the Port Authority of NY & NJ (in NY's case) running it, another bloated bureaucracy. Have a private company operate it instead, and their focus will be on profits, not maintaining a transportation facility for the good of all.


    It's easy to say just elect a new mayor, but in practice, there's no guarantee that will improve things. DTW was notoriously rife with corruption and cronyism when under complete control of Wayne County. It was so bad that NW insisted on managing the construction of the McNamara terminal instead of letting the airport authority manage it. They have since reformed the airport authority to make it an independent entity and the Wayne County Executive no longer gets to appoint all board members.


    Yes and that hasn't worked very well for Detroit either.
     
    fun2fly
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:17 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    December load factors are here. Let's go:

    2020-12

    Frontier Airlines
    CLE-PHX: 54%

    Southwest Airlines
    CLE-PHX: 75%

    American Airlines
    CLE-PHX: 44%


    Looks like WN wins the battle of PHX. AA Sat only and moved to a terrible departure time Pre 6AM vs. planned 10ish has to factor into that.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:04 pm

    Official Frontier cuts in Cleveland have been rolled through end of schedule (April 2022)
    CLE-SEA: terminated
    CLE-SFO: terminated
    CLE-MSP: terminated
    CLE-AUS: terminated
    CLE-PUJ: terminated
    CLE-CHS: terminated

    Still active: CLE-MCO, TPA, CUN, RDU, MIA, PHX, LAS, DEN, SRQ, RSW

    In question: CLE-PBI

    Official Spirit cuts in Cleveland rolled through the end of their schedule as well (August 2020)
    CLE-EWR: terminated
    CLE-BOS: terminated

    Still active: CLE-MCO, TPA, CUN, LAS, LAX, DFW, MYR, MSY, ATL, FLL, RSW

    Spirit now serves more destinations (11) than Frontier (10). Cleveland is still in better shape than places like EWR and AUS, which Frontier almost completely gutted.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:31 pm

    AA's schedule update loaded this past weekend (and said to be good through May) eliminates the last of the 50-seaters from CLE in mid-May. I don't know if that means the end of CLE-DCA flights using the dreaded Gate 35X or not. In any case, AA's new DCA gate extension is supposed to be ready by July and that will do it.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:53 pm

    Lately, UPS has been running a nightly 757 from LAN to CLE. Is this just an aircraft positioning flight or is there some huge one-way cargo flow from Lansing to Cleveland?
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:43 pm

    Someone should add CLE to AUS, maybe G4 will bring it back a few times a week.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 pm

    masseybrown wrote:
    Lately, UPS has been running a nightly 757 from LAN to CLE. Is this just an aircraft positioning flight or is there some huge one-way cargo flow from Lansing to Cleveland?


    Almost positive it’s the Covid Vaccines coming the Pfizer plant in Kalamazoo.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:12 am

    masseybrown wrote:
    AA's schedule update loaded this past weekend (and said to be good through May) eliminates the last of the 50-seaters from CLE in mid-May. I don't know if that means the end of CLE-DCA flights using the dreaded Gate 35X or not. In any case, AA's new DCA gate extension is supposed to be ready by July and that will do it.


    I sure hope so. I'm booked on a flight to Philly in July that is currently listed as an E145 flight. Hopefully, it's just a placeholder.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:07 pm

    Ultimate Air BKL-LUK service resumes 12APR.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:41 pm

    corn4ahead wrote:
    masseybrown wrote:
    Lately, UPS has been running a nightly 757 from LAN to CLE. Is this just an aircraft positioning flight or is there some huge one-way cargo flow from Lansing to Cleveland?


    Almost positive it’s the Covid Vaccines coming the Pfizer plant in Kalamazoo.


    It's been a 9xxx flights number. For most airlines that would suggest a charter or positioning flight. Bringing vaccines in makes sense in that regard.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:45 pm

    LifetimeGS wrote:
    Someone should add CLE to AUS, maybe G4 will bring it back a few times a week.


    I've thought of that too. Should be UA as they are strong on both ends. UA has done well on CLE Florida flights with the strong FF base that remains in CLE. I was thinking if CLE to any Florida Panhandle cities could work on UA as well as AUS were the 1st to pop into my mind. Also thought about PHX but loads are not great right now on that route on other airlines so then I axed that in my head.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:47 pm

    ding ding ding ding has to be COVID vaccines, not that I have any inside info-- Wolstein Center is giving 6000ish shots per day of Pfizer 7 days a week for 6 weeks (then 2 weeks of J&J). 250,000+ doses. Today (March 17) is first day at full capacity. Talk about precious cargo. . . . and would sure be interesting to know what all is involved in keeping the vaccine at the proper temp, something like -80 to -100 F.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:52 pm

    ncflyer wrote:
    ding ding ding ding has to be COVID vaccines, not that I have any inside info-- Wolstein Center is giving 6000ish shots per day of Pfizer 7 days a week for 6 weeks (then 2 weeks of J&J). 250,000+ doses. Today (March 17) is first day at full capacity. Talk about precious cargo. . . . and would sure be interesting to know what all is involved in keeping the vaccine at the proper temp, something like -80 to -100 F.


    Some of the carriers posted videos on their social media back in December of the vaccine transport flights. I believe they went into the process somewhat. However, I believe the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine for higher storage temps (~0 F, IIRC), but not sure about the Moderna.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:06 pm

    Does anyone know what's onboard the 2 Antonov 124's that have visited Toledo yesterday and today? Both have originated out of Shanghai.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:22 pm

    Did I see correctly that IND has 2 flights to LAX? CLE still w/o service, yes?
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

      Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:34 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      Did I see correctly that IND has 2 flights to LAX? CLE still w/o service, yes?


      Spirit's operating a daily CLE-LAX.
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

      Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:42 pm

      Thanks. IND apparently has 2 carriers AA and DL. Probably no one wants to go up against Spirit's pricing with business travel down. Would be nice to get SFO back.
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:43 pm

        MohawkWeekend wrote:
        Thanks. IND apparently has 2 carriers AA and DL. Probably no one wants to go up against Spirit's pricing with business travel down. Would be nice to get SFO back.


        United is set to resume CLE-LAX on May 6 with two daily flights, but I don't think their May schedule is finalized, so expect it to be pushed back or reduced.
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:53 pm

        MohawkWeekend wrote:
        Thanks. IND apparently has 2 carriers AA and DL. Probably no one wants to go up against Spirit's pricing with business travel down. Would be nice to get SFO back.


        Technically 3, but G4 only runs 2x weekly.

        NK scares away DL & AA on TCON flights, prime example of this is PIT-LAX. CLE is lucky it has a legacy UA presence to retain the CLE-LAX flights

        It's a price to pay for low fares.
        ORD & IND

        AA & DL
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:28 am

        On my way in from Philadelphia, I saw a 747 from UAE there. I would have loved to see that bird landing at Hopkins!
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 am

        Ishrion wrote:
        MohawkWeekend wrote:
        Thanks. IND apparently has 2 carriers AA and DL. Probably no one wants to go up against Spirit's pricing with business travel down. Would be nice to get SFO back.


        United is set to resume CLE-LAX on May 6 with two daily flights, but I don't think their May schedule is finalized, so expect it to be pushed back or reduced.


        Yes, May 6th and beyond is still placeholder for UA. 2x daily on CLE-LAX and 2x daily on CLE-SFO is not going to suddenly materialize on that date. They will likely start at 1x daily at some point (possibly May 6th), but the 2x daily flights is pretty clearly fantasy for near term. UA is currently lagging DL and AA on their schedule updates. DL loaded theirs through June 4th last weekend and AA is updated through June 2nd.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:06 am

        ^With the new schedule uploads for AA and DL, any updates/additions for CLE?
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:44 am

        greenair727 wrote:
        ^With the new schedule uploads for AA and DL, any updates/additions for CLE?


        In April AA will add a second CLE-DCA; I don't know about any others.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 pm

        masseybrown wrote:
        greenair727 wrote:
        ^With the new schedule uploads for AA and DL, any updates/additions for CLE?


        In April AA will add a second CLE-DCA; I don't know about any others.


        DL adds seconds daily CLE-BOS flight (from 1x E170 to 2x) in May. And CLE-LGA goes from 2x daily to 3x daily (3x CR9's)

        CLE-DTW/MSP/ATL in May looks to largely just be an extension of the April schedule. 4x daily to DTW, 3x to MSP, and 7x to ATL with pretty much identical aircraft.

        CLE-JFK is still loaded in the yet to be updated DL June schedule with 4x daily showing starting June 5th. CLE-RDU was removed through end of schedule several months ago and this remains to be the case.

        AA has some significant capacity upgrades on CLE-DFW in May - from 3x RJ175 daily to 2x RJ175 + 2x A319.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:50 pm

        NK CLE-RSW gets a year-round push. That’ll put United, Frontier, JetBlue and Spirit on the route all year.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:23 pm

        ^Four carriers to RSW? I'd rather four carriers to MIA...
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:26 pm

        Cleveland.com: Cleveland Hopkins airport reports busiest weekend in more than a year

        "Cleveland Hopkins International Airport reported its busiest weekend in more than a year – and it’s likely to get busier as spring break traffic picks up...The 56,500 passengers who traveled through the airport last weekend, Friday through Sunday, is still 30% lower than the 81,000 passengers who traveled the weekend of March 6-8, 2020....Cleveland figures mirror those from the rest of the United States, where air travel is gradually increasing despite an ongoing warning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to avoid nonessential travel....."

        https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2021/0 ... -year.html

        This part was interesting: "[Kennedy] said Cleveland Hopkins – with traffic at about 49% of where it was two years ago — is recovering somewhat more quickly than other U.S. airports, with passenger numbers at approximately 44% of previous levels."
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:29 pm

        United announces 5 new nonstop leisure routes from CLE for the summer

        https://www.wkyc.com/article/travel/uni ... 6fb064e457
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:52 pm

        Here's another article about UA's summer expansion at CLE (and several other airports) using Bombardier CRJ-550s: https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2021/0 ... cQvFivdWTo

        Here are details for all of UA's new summer service: https://hub.united.com/2021-03-25-unite ... 05573.html
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:52 pm

        This is an unexpected strategy at CLE by UA ! never saw this coming !
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:12 pm

        Wow! Biggest UA expansion since the hub was here. Maybe they can make a focus city out of CLE after all.
        I do see that they’ve added some of these routes from other cities (CMH, PIT, CVG, STL, MKE), but CLE & MKE are the only ones getting all 5.

        New UA service from CLE:
        Charleston, Hilton Head Island, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina; Pensacola, Florida and Portland Maine.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:22 pm

        Wow, that is really interesting. Did UA (or CO) ever serve those cities from CLE?
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:35 pm

        15 flights a week (averaging 2 per day) on CR-550's. Ok, much better than nothing; but, in terms of capacity, it would be overwhelmed by restoring 2 CLE-LAX and 2 CLE-SFO, which Susan Glaser hints at for May in the article. But will those California flights actually operate? The flights are always in the schedule, but UA has been canceling them one month at a time since last summer. Maybe this time it will really happen. :crossfingers: :crossfingers:
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:37 pm

        Looks like UA is trying to compete with the F9, NK, and G4's of the world, doing point-to-point flying. At first I thought this was about CLE, but reading the UA press release, its more about Hilton Head and/or Myrtle Beach, SC--we just benefit from this new UA strategy. Those two little places are getting on UA direct service to CLE, CVG, MKE, STL, IND, CMH, PIT.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:47 pm

        greenair727 wrote:
        Wow, that is really interesting. Did UA (or CO) ever serve those cities from CLE?


        Yes, Portland and Charleston (and possibly Pensacola, but not sure about this one).
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:19 pm

        MKE is probably getting SAV rather then HHH like the other Midwest markets are due to CRJ200 equip. on most of their new beach flights. The 200's would have issues at HHH
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:38 pm

        CLEguy wrote:
        greenair727 wrote:
        Wow, that is really interesting. Did UA (or CO) ever serve those cities from CLE?


        Yes, Portland and Charleston (and possibly Pensacola, but not sure about this one).


        CHS was served on weekends.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:34 pm

        greenair727 wrote:
        Looks like UA is trying to compete with the F9, NK, and G4's of the world, doing point-to-point flying. At first I thought this was about CLE, but reading the UA press release, its more about Hilton Head and/or Myrtle Beach, SC--we just benefit from this new UA strategy. Those two little places are getting on UA direct service to CLE, CVG, MKE, STL, IND, CMH, PIT.


        Has UA become so bad they have to compete with F9, NK & G4 instead of the likes of AA,DL,& WN?
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:58 pm

        Some idiot on a CLE-LAX flight on Spirit tried to open an emergency door inflight. Diverted to DEN, guy arrested. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... tvY_STzo5E
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:00 pm

        Robert1010 wrote:
        greenair727 wrote:
        Looks like UA is trying to compete with the F9, NK, and G4's of the world, doing point-to-point flying. At first I thought this was about CLE, but reading the UA press release, its more about Hilton Head and/or Myrtle Beach, SC--we just benefit from this new UA strategy. Those two little places are getting on UA direct service to CLE, CVG, MKE, STL, IND, CMH, PIT.


        Has UA become so bad they have to compete with F9, NK & G4 instead of the likes of AA,DL,& WN?


        Compete with the legacy carriers to where? Point-to-point leisure traffic is where it's at until the pandemic subsides. I think this is a smart and pretty risk-free strategy for UA to gain some incremental revenue and capture some summer traffic from pent-up demand.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:00 pm

        Robert1010 wrote:
        greenair727 wrote:
        Looks like UA is trying to compete with the F9, NK, and G4's of the world, doing point-to-point flying. At first I thought this was about CLE, but reading the UA press release, its more about Hilton Head and/or Myrtle Beach, SC--we just benefit from this new UA strategy. Those two little places are getting on UA direct service to CLE, CVG, MKE, STL, IND, CMH, PIT.


        Has UA become so bad they have to compete with F9, NK & G4 instead of the likes of AA,DL,& WN?


        Fly where the money is......
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:32 pm

        Robert1010 wrote:
        greenair727 wrote:
        Looks like UA is trying to compete with the F9, NK, and G4's of the world, doing point-to-point flying. At first I thought this was about CLE, but reading the UA press release, its more about Hilton Head and/or Myrtle Beach, SC--we just benefit from this new UA strategy. Those two little places are getting on UA direct service to CLE, CVG, MKE, STL, IND, CMH, PIT.


        Has UA become so bad they have to compete with F9, NK & G4 instead of the likes of AA,DL,& WN?

        Delta has been doing point to point for years and that’s WN’s business model. What’s your point?
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

        Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:45 am

        The routes can support a 175, the 550 is a great plane especially in F but they can easily fill a 175 on these routes.
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