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RJNUT
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:18 am

believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:10 am

RJNUT wrote:
believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.


Interesting. you think the timing that allowed such connections were done intentionally?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:15 am

greenair727 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.


Interesting. you think the timing that allowed such connections were done intentionally?


i think they are simply consequential but never the less the UA booking system slaps these connections together and puts them out for sale. Oddly, ORD-HHH has no nonstop on Saturdays at least in June and so it offers transfers over PIT and IND in addition to EWR and IAD
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:00 pm

An AA CLT-BUF flight was diverted to CLE. It continued on to BUF about an hour and a half later. Another lunatic aloft? Hope not.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:19 pm

I just found in my memory box from Jr. High a 20 page special Plain Dealer Air Age 1965. I will share some interesting items:

1. Commissioner Jack Doyle announced the $ 7 million dollar build of the new south concourse.(C)
2. 60 daily flights at Burke airport. Tag Airlines had 30 daily round trips to Detroit city.(15 on weekends) 4 to Cincy Lunken and 6 to Columbus
3. Air Canada announced daily jet connections via Toronto to Londan $352 round trip
4. Cleveland Hopkins open house (one day national FAA flight grounding) on 10/15/61. had a crowd of over 50,000 to tour aircraft ( I was one of them)
5. Airport income of $40,000 per to enter the flight deck above west concourse (B) $1000 to on Telotronic on the deck to listen to pilots
6. United served 33 cities non-stop from Cleveland
7. NYC was leading passenger destination (American/United). Chicago was second (Northwest/United)
8. Sky Chef's One World restaurant at Hopkins every fri/sat evening had Prizes/music dancing after 9PM. Saluting a different country each night's menu
9 10,000 passengers per day at Hopkins 3,008,000 for 1964 total (12th in the nation)
10. Brown Derby on Brookpark rd has $1.85 sirloin steaks
11. bond issues in 1950 and 1952 for airport improvement failed
12. United and Northwest building new cargo terminals in June 1965 at southeast end of airport
13. Cleveland earned $10,000 per year from game room at Hopkins
14. One World restaurant paid the city $219,840. Parking lot earned $617,890. Rental car $157,000. flight insurance counter concession $146,758
15. Airport hotel returned $63,000. (222 rooms). 8 story expansion planned.
16 New offices opened for Lake Central,Allegheny,Mohawk,North Central. older ones for TWA,American,Northwest,Air Canada,United and Eastern
17. Biggest advertiser Lamina Dies and Tool (Oak Park Mich) on airport displays. All ads earned the city $25,000
18. $5 million bond issue pasted by voters in 1964 paved the way to begin South Concourse
19. TWA began twice weekly 707 service to Madrid with stop at JFK
20 Hopkins had 354 daily schedules flights
21. American and United had 5 total daily jet non-stops to California
22. United and Eastern had 7 daily jet non-stops to Florida
23. Leading all cargo firms at airport were Flying Tiger and Zantop
24 taking about CTS rapid to airport but sure if it will happen
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:37 pm

^^ Fun stuff. I remember TAG (which stood for Taxi Air Group btw) Airlines' Doves seemed like they were constantly in-n-out of BKL. Burke was a busy little airport back then.

I also recall that those TWA one-stop Europe 707's thru JFK stuck around for many years...into the 1980s.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:59 pm

Trk1 wrote:
I just found in my memory box from Jr. High a 20 page special Plain Dealer Air Age 1965. I will share some interesting items:


Was that "The Sky is the Limit" article from April 4, 1965? What a great read!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:27 pm

Air age 1965.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:32 pm

RJNUT wrote:
believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.

These connections look great on paper, but they blow goats in the real world. Misconnect and youre screwed for a whole day or more.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:10 am

Citrus1492 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.

These connections look great on paper, but they blow goats in the real world. Misconnect and youre screwed for a whole day or more.


of course, but the un-savvy traveler (the bulk of which) wouldn't know that . You and I and others on here would maybe be more hesitant!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:25 am

Trk1 wrote:
I just found in my memory box from Jr. High a 20 page special Plain Dealer Air Age 1965. I will share some interesting items:

1. Commissioner Jack Doyle announced the $ 7 million dollar build of the new south concourse.(C)
2. 60 daily flights at Burke airport. Tag Airlines had 30 daily round trips to Detroit city.(15 on weekends) 4 to Cincy Lunken and 6 to Columbus
3. Air Canada announced daily jet connections via Toronto to Londan $352 round trip
4. Cleveland Hopkins open house (one day national FAA flight grounding) on 10/15/61. had a crowd of over 50,000 to tour aircraft ( I was one of them)
5. Airport income of $40,000 per to enter the flight deck above west concourse (B) $1000 to on Telotronic on the deck to listen to pilots
6. United served 33 cities non-stop from Cleveland
7. NYC was leading passenger destination (American/United). Chicago was second (Northwest/United)
8. Sky Chef's One World restaurant at Hopkins every fri/sat evening had Prizes/music dancing after 9PM. Saluting a different country each night's menu
9 10,000 passengers per day at Hopkins 3,008,000 for 1964 total (12th in the nation)
10. Brown Derby on Brookpark rd has $1.85 sirloin steaks
11. bond issues in 1950 and 1952 for airport improvement failed
12. United and Northwest building new cargo terminals in June 1965 at southeast end of airport
13. Cleveland earned $10,000 per year from game room at Hopkins
14. One World restaurant paid the city $219,840. Parking lot earned $617,890. Rental car $157,000. flight insurance counter concession $146,758
15. Airport hotel returned $63,000. (222 rooms). 8 story expansion planned.
16 New offices opened for Lake Central,Allegheny,Mohawk,North Central. older ones for TWA,American,Northwest,Air Canada,United and Eastern
17. Biggest advertiser Lamina Dies and Tool (Oak Park Mich) on airport displays. All ads earned the city $25,000
18. $5 million bond issue pasted by voters in 1964 paved the way to begin South Concourse
19. TWA began twice weekly 707 service to Madrid with stop at JFK
20 Hopkins had 354 daily schedules flights
21. American and United had 5 total daily jet non-stops to California
22. United and Eastern had 7 daily jet non-stops to Florida
23. Leading all cargo firms at airport were Flying Tiger and Zantop
24 taking about CTS rapid to airport but sure if it will happen


What a fascinating list of facts. Trk1--thank you so much for typing that up. 354 daily schedules flights....man, those were the days. And for BKL too---with 60! Regarding "19. TWA began twice weekly 707 service to Madrid with stop at JFK", was there specific demand for Madrid from Cleveland vs say, other European cities? (excl London.)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:29 am

masseybrown wrote:
An AA CLT-BUF flight was diverted to CLE. It continued on to BUF about an hour and a half later. Another lunatic aloft? Hope not.



There was some weather yesterday, slightly breezy....guessing that was the culprit. Plus a quick glance at flightaware shows it going to BUF and shooting an approach before diverting to CLE.
Aircraft Flown: SF3 DH8 DH4 328 ERJ CRJ CR7 CR9 E70 E75 D9S M80 712 72S 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 739ER 752 318 319 32
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:34 pm

Trk1 wrote:
I just found in my memory box from Jr. High a 20 page special Plain Dealer Air Age 1965. I will share some interesting items:

1. Commissioner Jack Doyle announced the $ 7 million dollar build of the new south concourse.(C)
2. 60 daily flights at Burke airport. Tag Airlines had 30 daily round trips to Detroit city.(15 on weekends) 4 to Cincy Lunken and 6 to Columbus
3. Air Canada announced daily jet connections via Toronto to Londan $352 round trip
4. Cleveland Hopkins open house (one day national FAA flight grounding) on 10/15/61. had a crowd of over 50,000 to tour aircraft ( I was one of them)
5. Airport income of $40,000 per to enter the flight deck above west concourse (B) $1000 to on Telotronic on the deck to listen to pilots
6. United served 33 cities non-stop from Cleveland
7. NYC was leading passenger destination (American/United). Chicago was second (Northwest/United)
8. Sky Chef's One World restaurant at Hopkins every fri/sat evening had Prizes/music dancing after 9PM. Saluting a different country each night's menu
9 10,000 passengers per day at Hopkins 3,008,000 for 1964 total (12th in the nation)
10. Brown Derby on Brookpark rd has $1.85 sirloin steaks
11. bond issues in 1950 and 1952 for airport improvement failed
12. United and Northwest building new cargo terminals in June 1965 at southeast end of airport
13. Cleveland earned $10,000 per year from game room at Hopkins
14. One World restaurant paid the city $219,840. Parking lot earned $617,890. Rental car $157,000. flight insurance counter concession $146,758
15. Airport hotel returned $63,000. (222 rooms). 8 story expansion planned.
16 New offices opened for Lake Central,Allegheny,Mohawk,North Central. older ones for TWA,American,Northwest,Air Canada,United and Eastern
17. Biggest advertiser Lamina Dies and Tool (Oak Park Mich) on airport displays. All ads earned the city $25,000
18. $5 million bond issue pasted by voters in 1964 paved the way to begin South Concourse
19. TWA began twice weekly 707 service to Madrid with stop at JFK
20 Hopkins had 354 daily schedules flights
21. American and United had 5 total daily jet non-stops to California
22. United and Eastern had 7 daily jet non-stops to Florida
23. Leading all cargo firms at airport were Flying Tiger and Zantop
24 taking about CTS rapid to airport but sure if it will happen


I must have been about 8 and i remember taking my parents to the airport with my grandparents. My parents were going to New Orleans for a convention and im sure they boarded a UA Caravelle to ATL then connected to DL. My grandfather , who travelled to Europe a bit, was describing to me the unique characteristics of his "favorite" plane. We were out on the observation deck on top of what is now concourse B. Vivid memory for such a youngster.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:43 pm

Looks like the UA MAX-9 is going to be on the CLE-DEN route for awhile. First one coming in tomorrow. It seems to switch between one of the two daily flight times.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:34 pm

Nice story about the Barberton Police Officer who helped subdue the man on the Spirit Flight to LAS -

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local ... 10e68aeb95
    300 319 320 321 707 717 720 727 72S 737 73S 734 735 73G 738 739 747 757 762 ARJ B11 C212 CRJ CR2 CR7 CR9 CV5 D8S DC9 D9S D94 D95 D10 DH8 DTO EMB EM2 E135 E145 E190 FH7 F28 F100 FTRIMTR HRN L10 L15 M80 M90 SF3 SWM YS11
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:17 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    Looks like the UA MAX-9 is going to be on the CLE-DEN route for awhile. First one coming in tomorrow. It seems to switch between one of the two daily flight times.


    Is there any information on whether UA's Cleveland maintenance facility will be doing work on the MAX's when the need arises?
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:29 pm

    A while back I said (incorrectly) that AA was removing their 50 seaters from CLE. Turns out it was only the ERJ-140s and CRJ200s that got pulled. Some 145s are back in the schedules.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:37 pm

    Delta is adding quite a few cargo flights into Cleveland on various days throughout April. Most are with the 757. I’m not sure of the extent of this schedule.

    Outbounds:
    CLE-CLT, eff. 27 Apr 2021. B757
    CLE-CPS, eff. 10 Apr 2021. B757
    CLE-CMH, eff. 8 Apr 2021. B757
    CLE-DTW, eff. 19 Apr 2021. B757
    CLE-PIT, eff. 15 Apr 2021. B757
    CLE-DEN, eff. 15 Apr 2021. B757

    Inbounds:
    IAD-CLE, eff. 2 April, 2021. B757
    BUF-CLE, eff. 16 April, 2021. B757
    MSP-CLE, eff. 11 April, 2021. B757
    MKE-CLE, eff. 22 April, 2021. B757
    PTK-CLE, eff. 15 April, 2021. B757

    For further reference:
    https://www.deltacargo.com/content/dam/ ... htSchedule

    I checked them out in Delta’s flight status system on their booking website and they are all indeed scheduled.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:06 pm

    ^Can one just book some space on a flight that is published? I assume all bookings are one-way. Are these DL cargo flights in the belly of pax planes or dedicated flights for cargo?
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:13 am

    ^^ I wonder if those DL 757s aren't somehow mistaken listings connected to the baseball team's travels. I know the sked reads "DAILY" but ...
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:33 am

    masseybrown wrote:
    ^^ I wonder if those DL 757s aren't somehow mistaken listings connected to the baseball team's travels. I know the sked reads "DAILY" but ...


    I thought this was a good guess but CPS doesn’t match up with any flights the cardinals would take and they take DL into CPS. There also are CPS-IND/OKC and no baseball teams play there. So I find it interesting. Unless they are positioning flights for charters but even some of those wouldn’t make sense. I can’t imagine the daily is right though. Something to keep an eye on.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:58 am

    From the sound of it, a certain shipper has just chosen to utilize Delta Cargo. Apparently they’ve got a competitive price/offer.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:38 am

    Jshank83 wrote:
    masseybrown wrote:
    ^^ I wonder if those DL 757s aren't somehow mistaken listings connected to the baseball team's travels. I know the sked reads "DAILY" but ...


    I thought this was a good guess but CPS doesn’t match up with any flights the cardinals would take and they take DL into CPS. There also are CPS-IND/OKC and no baseball teams play there. So I find it interesting. Unless they are positioning flights for charters but even some of those wouldn’t make sense. I can’t imagine the daily is right though. Something to keep an eye on.


    I believe these are one-off cargo only flights, I don't think these are charters.

    Weird though that some don't appear on:
    https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/flightSchedule
    ORD & IND

    AA & DL
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:36 pm

    UA has once again delayed the restart of LAX and SFO flights, this time from mid-May into June.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:33 am

    Midwestindy wrote:
    Jshank83 wrote:
    masseybrown wrote:
    ^^ I wonder if those DL 757s aren't somehow mistaken listings connected to the baseball team's travels. I know the sked reads "DAILY" but ...


    I thought this was a good guess but CPS doesn’t match up with any flights the cardinals would take and they take DL into CPS. There also are CPS-IND/OKC and no baseball teams play there. So I find it interesting. Unless they are positioning flights for charters but even some of those wouldn’t make sense. I can’t imagine the daily is right though. Something to keep an eye on.


    I believe these are one-off cargo only flights, I don't think these are charters.

    Weird though that some don't appear on:
    https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/flightSchedule

    There are NBA teams in IND/OKC that utilize these aircraft, they are not exclusive to MLB. My guess is DL has realized there is additional belly space for cargo in these aircraft and might as well attempt to capitalize on it.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:44 am

    CLE put out February numbers. Total pax 318,863 (including 731 international) down 55% from February, 2020. Cargo 13.0 MM pounds - down 4.9% from 2020.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:32 pm

    Frontier is adding CLE-ATL beginning June 11th. 4x weekly, MON/WED/FRI/SAT.

    4 carriers on the route now: Frontier, Southwest, Spirit and Delta. Frontier last serviced ATL from CLE in 2016.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:54 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    Frontier is adding CLE-ATL beginning June 11th. 4x weekly, MON/WED/FRI/SAT.

    4 carriers on the route now: Frontier, Southwest, Spirit and Delta. Frontier last serviced ATL from CLE in 2016.


    Sometimes, I really think I'd like a transcript of their route planning sessions. Curious how the resumption of this route came up, or what data they used to decide to add the route back.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:36 am

    A chart I put together showing the current route situation at CLE:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:51 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    A chart I put together showing the current route situation at CLE:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

    Nice job, thanks avtcle!
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:11 pm

    plinth857 wrote:

    Sometimes, I really think I'd like a transcript of their route planning sessions. Curious how the resumption of this route came up, or what data they used to decide to add the route back.


    Being Colorado based, there may be bong hits involved.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:28 pm

    plinth857 wrote:
    avtcle wrote:
    Frontier is adding CLE-ATL beginning June 11th. 4x weekly, MON/WED/FRI/SAT.

    4 carriers on the route now: Frontier, Southwest, Spirit and Delta. Frontier last serviced ATL from CLE in 2016.


    Sometimes, I really think I'd like a transcript of their route planning sessions. Curious how the resumption of this route came up, or what data they used to decide to add the route back.


    Okay Bob, your turn to throw the dart at the map.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 am

    F9 CLE-MIA SUN/TUE/THUR pushed out to the end of July. They’re offering quite a few Caribbean/South American connections from CLE through MIA for the summer. Was originally scheduled for seasonal hiatus starting April 30th.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:53 pm

    UA looks like it is restarting CLE-LAX/SFO in June based on their recent update.
    ORD & IND

    AA & DL
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:38 pm

    Midwestindy wrote:
    UA looks like it is restarting CLE-LAX/SFO in June based on their recent update.


    Noted that update as well... If that holds it looks like United will have a beefed up schedule in CLE for the summer. All of their routes will be active. They’ll be flying to 17 cities nonstop. More than any other airline.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:16 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    Midwestindy wrote:
    UA looks like it is restarting CLE-LAX/SFO in June based on their recent update.


    Noted that update as well... If that holds it looks like United will have a beefed up schedule in CLE for the summer. All of their routes will be active. They’ll be flying to 17 cities nonstop. More than any other airline.


    These flights have been in the schedule since last summer; they keep getting cancelled one month at a time - although the last two cancellations were for a half month. Today's WSJ has an article about these phantom flights; they stay in the schedule but never are operated until they have "enough" reservations. Only UA knows what enough means. Enough for profitability? Break-even? Positive cash flow?

    Cue the music for "Maybe this Time".
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:04 pm

    Massey,

    The June schedule from Cleveland to LAX and Sfo was added today. It is one daily flight to each city. Daylight westbound and red eye for the eastbound for both cities. These are not placeholder schedules. Cleveland, Boston, are the only non-hub cross country cities that UAL will be flying to Lax and Sfo other than the current flight from Florida.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:20 am

    ^ That's good to hear. UA's daylight service should do well against Spirit's LAX redeyes in both directions.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 am

    I wouldn’t trust the June schedule, it’s nowhere near done.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:55 pm

    Southwest is now showing 2 dailies CLE-STL effective June 6th.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:48 pm

    I’m sort of perplexed by the extended CLE-STL suspension. CLE-BNA picked back up pretty quickly. It’s been at 2x daily now for awhile. STL & BNA are pretty similar markers in terms of where you can connect to with Southwest.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:36 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    I’m sort of perplexed by the extended CLE-STL suspension. CLE-BNA picked back up pretty quickly. It’s been at 2x daily now for awhile. STL & BNA are pretty similar markers in terms of where you can connect to with Southwest.

    It may have more to do with vacationers than connections. Nashville has a reputation as a party town, and there’s been a lot of that type of travel during the pandemic.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:24 am

    luckyone wrote:
    avtcle wrote:
    I’m sort of perplexed by the extended CLE-STL suspension. CLE-BNA picked back up pretty quickly. It’s been at 2x daily now for awhile. STL & BNA are pretty similar markers in terms of where you can connect to with Southwest.

    It may have more to do with vacationers than connections. Nashville has a reputation as a party town, and there’s been a lot of that type of travel during the pandemic.


    Might just be as simple as BNA has more connections to Florida at the moment and that’s where people are going.

    June schedule isn’t set. So I wouldn’t say it coming back in June is a for sure either. Hopefully at least 1x a day will be back.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:58 am

    masseybrown wrote:
    Southwest is now showing 2 dailies CLE-STL effective June 6th.


    June 6th and beyond is currently placeholder schedule for WN. Lots of route restorations and frequency bumps loaded for that date and beyond which will likely get pared back for June when they update it's schedule. The legacies have been doing the same thing (keeping an overly optimistic schedule loaded in the future, and then paring it back a month at a time when they get a firmer idea of actual demand for the month). June 3rd and beyond is currently placeholder for AA/UA, while DL's placeholder schedule currently begins June 5th.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:08 pm

    RJNUT wrote:
    believe it or not there will be onlin connections thru CLE, PIT, IND,etc. I did some dummy bookings for example DEN-HHH and many cheaper options came up DEN-CLE-HHH rather than ORD or IAD.


    These are just broken fare combinations and it's not unusual for UA and the other legacy websites to show such combinations. (WN website will not show them, but you can manually construct them using mulit-city search). Here are the routing rules for DEN-HHH fares which you can see do not allow for such connections on a single DEN-HHH fare. Note that in cases where a flight does not currently exist (like HOU-HHH), the routing option is moot.

    MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
    1. DEN-CHI/EWR/HOU/WAS-HHH

    If you check the fare rules when you price these out (there's link to them on the website), you will see it is combining two fares in the quote. One fare for DEN-CLE/PIT/IND, and then a separate fare for CLE/PIT/IND-HHH. In most cases, these will cost more than a single DEN-HHH fare (however, there can be cases at times where it is less).
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:07 am

    AA1751 MIA-CLE tomorrow will be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX-8. I believe that will be the first AA B38M visiting Cleveland.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:20 pm

    Southwest 737 MAX-8 is returning to Cleveland tomorrow. WN4694 BWI-CLE and WN4630 DEN-CLE. Looks like it’ll just be back doing regular rotations on various routes.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:57 pm

    Do any of you (fellow) old-timers remember a charter airline called American Eagle Airlines (no connection to AA at all) that was supposed to have operated B707 charter flights from CLE to FRA in summer of 1980 (and possibly 1981)? I did find an article about it, but still cannot locate any additional information or pics of this charter airline anywhere online. Maybe someone remembers or has better Google skills than I:

    “Weekly nonstop charter flights between Cleveland and Frankfurt, Germany, are to begin May 30, to continue each Friday through Oct. 10[,1980]. The service is to be on Boeing 707 jets of American Eagle Airlines, a newly certified airline formerly known as Militair, headquartered in Frankfurt…” (Cleveland Plain Dealer, April 20, 1980)
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

    Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:09 pm

    Doesn't ring a bell. From a spotters point - was anyone still operating 707's into Cleveland in 1980?
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

      Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:43 pm

      April 1981. Official airline guide lists Trans World operating 707 from Cleveland. Flights to jfk ind stl
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