DId the OAG show either UA still operating DC-8-50s then? I'm pretty sure they still had Stretch 8's too

avtcle wrote:

AA1751 MIA-CLE tomorrow will be operated by a Boeing 737 MAX-8. I believe that will be the first AA B38M visiting Cleveland.

AA1751 from MIA is not a Max. Just a regular 738-823

It actually looks like the flight it was scheduled to fly got canceled. AA1751 Sunday 4/11 departure Monday 4/12 arrival. It’s showing it was scheduled as a 738 now, but it was originally showing a B38M. Lots of CLE-Florida cancellations/delays lately.

I’m not sure if this is just a mistake, but CLEs website shows Baltimore BWI as a JetBlue nonstop city. It’ll show up when you choose JetBlue nonstop cities in the drop down as well.

https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... /baltimore

CLEguy wrote:

Do any of you (fellow) old-timers remember a charter airline called American Eagle Airlines (no connection to AA at all) that was supposed to have operated B707 charter flights from CLE to FRA in summer of 1980 (and possibly 1981)? I did find an article about it, but still cannot locate any additional information or pics of this charter airline anywhere online. Maybe someone remembers or has better Google skills than I:

“Weekly nonstop charter flights between Cleveland and Frankfurt, Germany, are to begin May 30, to continue each Friday through Oct. 10[,1980]. The service is to be on Boeing 707 jets of American Eagle Airlines, a newly certified airline formerly known as Militair, headquartered in Frankfurt…” (Cleveland Plain Dealer, April 20, 1980)

I vaguely remember these guys. IIRC their flight to Frankfurt included either DTW or BWI as part of a triangle route. FRA-CLE-DTW-FRA or FRA-BWI-CLE-FRA or something like that.

avtcle wrote:

I’m not sure if this is just a mistake, but CLEs website shows Baltimore BWI as a JetBlue nonstop city. It’ll show up when you choose JetBlue nonstop cities in the drop down as well.

https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... /baltimore

B6 doesn't offer any connecting flights to BWI from CLE through BOS on their website, and CLE-BOS-BWI connections would also require significant backtracking.

MohawkWeekend wrote:

DId the OAG show either UA still operating DC-8-50s then? I'm pretty sure they still had Stretch 8's too

Check out the OAG schedules posted at http://www.departedflights.com/oagintro.html. They show no DC-8 service in the 11/15/79 and 4/1/81, but they're back in the 7/1/83 schedules.

CLEguy wrote:

MohawkWeekend wrote:

DId the OAG show either UA still operating DC-8-50s then? I'm pretty sure they still had Stretch 8's too

Check out the OAG schedules posted at http://www.departedflights.com/oagintro.html. They show no DC-8 service in the 11/15/79 and 4/1/81, but they're back in the 7/1/83 schedules.

That departedflights site is a great resource, thank you. I clicked on

Official Airline Guide North American Edition
April 1, 1974

and then Chicago ORD

and the top two entries were:

Airlines and Aircraft Serving Chicago O'Hare Effective April 1, 1974

AIR CANADA
Aircraft Operated:
McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30
Destinations Served:
Montreal Dorval (QC), Toronto (ON)

AIR FRANCE
Aircraft Operated:
Boeing 747-100
Destinations Served:
Montreal Dorval (QC)

Those AC AF flights are not a code-share as its different equipment. Did AF operate Chicago-Montreal? (vs. CHI-Paris)? Was that a fifth freedom route and if so, were there really not enough US or Canadian carriers to operate such a route?

avtcle wrote:

I’m not sure if this is just a mistake, but CLEs website shows Baltimore BWI as a JetBlue nonstop city. It’ll show up when you choose JetBlue nonstop cities in the drop down as well.

https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... /baltimore

I could only imagine CLE-BWI as a stub on a longer route, say, BWI-CLE-LAX or CLE-BWI-Florida/Caribbean. I keep looking to see if AA will hand off its NYC-CLE flights to B6, but that doesn't seem to be happening either. I kind of doubt CLE gets much attention from B6 while they are concentrating on NYC/BOS-Europe

avtcle wrote:

It actually looks like the flight it was scheduled to fly got canceled. AA1751 Sunday 4/11 departure Monday 4/12 arrival. It’s showing it was scheduled as a 738 now, but it was originally showing a B38M. Lots of CLE-Florida cancellations/delays lately.

N830NN was the equipment scheduled for AA1751 on Sunday’s cancelled flight. Unfortunately not a MAX.

JAN 2020 - DEC 2020, Frontier overtook United as the largest carrier at Cleveland.

1.) Frontier: 16.53%
2.) Spirit: 14.93%
3.) Southwest 14.29%
4.) United: 14.28%
5.) Delta: 7.20%
6.) Other: 32.77%

Another note for today: New schedule adjustment for Spirit and Frontier. Spirit has updated their schedule through June. CLE-CUN, CLE-DFW resumption pushed to July 2nd. Frontier updated their schedule through August. CLE-MIA will run 3x weekly through the first week of September.

A sign of Cleveland market strength compared to its peers: Delta suspended PIT/CMH-SLC until September. CLE-SLC is slated to resume the first week of June.

AA546 CLT-CLE tonight is scheduled as a 737 MAX-8. Will be the first AA MAX in CLE.

Hopkins received $9.7M in covid relief funds this week per this article:

https://www.thecentersquare.com/ohio/oh ... 0751c.html

chrisjake wrote:

CLEguy wrote:

Do any of you (fellow) old-timers remember a charter airline called American Eagle Airlines (no connection to AA at all) that was supposed to have operated B707 charter flights from CLE to FRA in summer of 1980 (and possibly 1981)? I did find an article about it, but still cannot locate any additional information or pics of this charter airline anywhere online. Maybe someone remembers or has better Google skills than I:

“Weekly nonstop charter flights between Cleveland and Frankfurt, Germany, are to begin May 30, to continue each Friday through Oct. 10[,1980]. The service is to be on Boeing 707 jets of American Eagle Airlines, a newly certified airline formerly known as Militair, headquartered in Frankfurt…” (Cleveland Plain Dealer, April 20, 1980)

I vaguely remember these guys. IIRC their flight to Frankfurt included either DTW or BWI as part of a triangle route. FRA-CLE-DTW-FRA or FRA-BWI-CLE-FRA or something like that.

Great memory! I just found another PD article from March 1981 that lists the weekly route on Sundays starting 6/14/81 as CLE-BWI-FRA-DTW-CLE using a fleet of 3 "B707-321B Intercontinental Fan Jets." This 2nd article mentions American Eagle is from Baltimore (not Frankfurt). But I still cannot locate any additional information about that carrier.

CLEguy wrote:

chrisjake wrote:

CLEguy wrote:

Do any of you (fellow) old-timers remember a charter airline called American Eagle Airlines (no connection to AA at all) that was supposed to have operated B707 charter flights from CLE to FRA in summer of 1980 (and possibly 1981)? I did find an article about it, but still cannot locate any additional information or pics of this charter airline anywhere online. Maybe someone remembers or has better Google skills than I:

“Weekly nonstop charter flights between Cleveland and Frankfurt, Germany, are to begin May 30, to continue each Friday through Oct. 10[,1980]. The service is to be on Boeing 707 jets of American Eagle Airlines, a newly certified airline formerly known as Militair, headquartered in Frankfurt…” (Cleveland Plain Dealer, April 20, 1980)

I vaguely remember these guys. IIRC their flight to Frankfurt included either DTW or BWI as part of a triangle route. FRA-CLE-DTW-FRA or FRA-BWI-CLE-FRA or something like that.

Great memory! I just found another PD article from March 1981 that lists the weekly route on Sundays starting 6/14/81 as CLE-BWI-FRA-DTW-CLE using a fleet of 3 "B707-321B Intercontinental Fan Jets." This 2nd article mentions American Eagle is from Baltimore (not Frankfurt). But I still cannot locate any additional information about that carrier.

Finally found something! Should have checked one of my favorite sites first: http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/milit.htm. There are timetables for 1979, 1980. 1981, and it was formerly known as Miitair.

avtcle wrote:

A sign of Cleveland market strength compared to its peers: Delta suspended PIT/CMH-SLC until September. CLE-SLC is slated to resume the first week of June.

DL has not set June schedule yet (which starts June 5th) and it should still be considered placeholder. I wouldn't call this resumption safe yet.

greenair727 wrote:

That departedflights site is a great resource, thank you. I clicked on

Official Airline Guide North American Edition
April 1, 1974

and then Chicago ORD

and the top two entries were:

Airlines and Aircraft Serving Chicago O'Hare Effective April 1, 1974

AIR CANADA
Aircraft Operated:
McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30
Destinations Served:
Montreal Dorval (QC), Toronto (ON)

AIR FRANCE
Aircraft Operated:
Boeing 747-100
Destinations Served:
Montreal Dorval (QC)

Those AC AF flights are not a code-share as its different equipment. Did AF operate Chicago-Montreal? (vs. CHI-Paris)? Was that a fifth freedom route and if so, were there really not enough US or Canadian carriers to operate such a route?

You can see in the schedules that the times, etc are completely different.

Air Canada operated Montreal-Chicago three times daily (10:15am, 12:10pm and 6:50pm) with DC-9-30s.

Air France operated the route once daily (1:35pm) with a 747.

Yes, AF 031 operated as a thru-flight Paris-Montreal arriving Chicago at 3:45pm and then turning around as AF 030 back to Montreal and Paris at 5:25pm

^Ah, that makes sense, thanks. I saw it listed only as ORD-YUL---the paris part was not shown, hence my thinking it was a 5th freedom flight.

United Cleveland June schedule is now completed and posted:

Mainline to: Lax, Sfo, Iah, Den, Ord, Ewr, Iad, Mco, Fll, Rsw , Cun. (average 14.2 daily)
average daily departures 21

Pretty solid. SFO was a big hole. Nice to see it back along with LAX. Retained daily mainline to all the Florida cities as well.

CLEguy wrote:

CLEguy wrote:

chrisjake wrote:

I vaguely remember these guys. IIRC their flight to Frankfurt included either DTW or BWI as part of a triangle route. FRA-CLE-DTW-FRA or FRA-BWI-CLE-FRA or something like that.

Great memory! I just found another PD article from March 1981 that lists the weekly route on Sundays starting 6/14/81 as CLE-BWI-FRA-DTW-CLE using a fleet of 3 "B707-321B Intercontinental Fan Jets." This 2nd article mentions American Eagle is from Baltimore (not Frankfurt). But I still cannot locate any additional information about that carrier.

Finally found something! Should have checked one of my favorite sites first: http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/milit.htm. There are timetables for 1979, 1980. 1981, and it was formerly known as Miitair.

Looks like they only ended up with 2 former Pan Am 707s. N402PA and N404PA, both of which were repossessed in 1981.

This Cleveland thread has a number of loyal posters with an astonishing memory for Hopkins history. However I've not read about supersonic Concorde's near historic visit over the summer of 2000.

It was arranged as a charter package through the AAA Ohio Motorists Association. The itinerary was for 100 passengers from Ohio to board an Air France Concorde and fly westbound across the Atlantic on August 22, landing on CLE's (then) 8,998' runway 23L-5R for the first time. A second charter group of 100 Ohioans would board for a flight back to Europe. As we all know, fate intervened on July 25th after AF4590 crashed on takeoff at Charles de Gaulle. In the immediate aftermath the Ohio Motorists Association was left scrambling for answers, even as AAA spokesman Dennis Burke remained optimistic. Quickly afterward the Concorde was grounded and Ohio AAA passengers in Europe (included my parents) were left scrambling for return flight reservations.

Unlike the fictional Saga of Pan Am Flight 914, the Concorde flight to Cleveland almost became reality. There is an online mention of our Ohio group as an addendum to an archived morningjounal.com article under the headline "More Than 100 Die As Fiery Concorde Jet Plunges Into Hotel." Near the end under CLEVELAND (AP)-- "Travel Agency Checks On Status Of Concorde's Cleveland Visit."

Trk1 wrote:

United Cleveland June schedule is now completed and posted:

Mainline to: Lax, Sfo, Iah, Den, Ord, Ewr, Iad, Mco, Fll, Rsw , Cun. (average 14.2 daily)
average daily departures 21

21 would be just 2 fewer that summer, 2019? That's good news.

Diff subj: Flexjet is operating a non-stop BCN-CLE. Always interesting, these one-off foreigners.

Trk1 wrote:

United Cleveland June schedule is now completed and posted:

Mainline to: Lax, Sfo, Iah, Den, Ord, Ewr, Iad, Mco, Fll, Rsw , Cun. (average 14.2 daily)
average daily departures 21

Are they keeping the TPA route or is that just seasonal?

highflier92660 wrote:

This Cleveland thread has a number of loyal posters with an astonishing memory for Hopkins history. However I've not read about supersonic Concorde's near historic visit over the summer of 2000.

It was arranged as a charter package through the AAA Ohio Motorists Association. The itinerary was for 100 passengers from Ohio to board an Air France Concorde and fly westbound across the Atlantic on August 22, landing on CLE's (then) 8,998' runway 23L-5R for the first time. A second charter group of 100 Ohioans would board for a flight back to Europe. As we all know, fate intervened on July 25th after AF4590 crashed on takeoff at Charles de Gaulle. In the immediate aftermath the Ohio Motorists Association was left scrambling for answers, even as AAA spokesman Dennis Burke remained optimistic. Quickly afterward the Concorde was grounded and Ohio AAA passengers in Europe (included my parents) were left scrambling for return flight reservations.

Unlike the fictional Saga of Pan Am Flight 914, the Concorde flight to Cleveland almost became reality. There is an online mention of our Ohio group as an addendum to an archived morningjounal.com article under the headline "More Than 100 Die As Fiery Concorde Jet Plunges Into Hotel." Near the end under CLEVELAND (AP)-- "Travel Agency Checks On Status Of Concorde's Cleveland Visit."

You know, a British Airways Concorde did actually visit CLE on a charter back on September 26, 1985. There was also a flyby during one of the airshows (1988??).

From CLE's Facebook feed:

Cleveland Hopkins International Airport continues its climb out of COVID with an exceptional March hosting 478,754 departing and arriving passengers, an 11% jump vs March 2020 and a 50% jump vs February 2021. In addition, March 2021 was 56% of March 2019 results, closet month to 2019 passenger numbers since March 2020!

Delta updated their June schedule through about June 17th. No major changes coming to CLE.

CLE-SLC suspension was rolled back through August
Mainline will return to CLE-DTW. B737-800 for the early morning departure.
CLE-MSP picks up an two more frequencies.
CLE-BOS picks up one more frequency.

Taking my first flight in 14 months this week (DCA-CLE). Can't remember when the gap between flights was that big - ever.

^Have fun! I'm dying to fly again. But be careful--covid isn't filtered by a plane's HVAC system until it enters the system so that air is initially floating around the cabin.

New Record: 47 People On Flight Test Positive For Coronavirus

"Keep in mind that Hong Kong has a pre-travel testing requirement, so all of these passengers had to test negative within 72 hours of their flight to Hong Kong. Despite that, there were 47 positive cases after the flight."

The article doesn't mention the vaccination status of the affected pax.

https://onemileatatime.com/flight-coronavirus-record/

greenair727 wrote:

^Have fun! I'm dying to fly again. But be careful--covid isn't filtered by a plane's HVAC system until it enters the system so that air is initially floating around the cabin.

New Record: 47 People On Flight Test Positive For Coronavirus

"Keep in mind that Hong Kong has a pre-travel testing requirement, so all of these passengers had to test negative within 72 hours of their flight to Hong Kong. Despite that, there were 47 positive cases after the flight."

The article doesn't mention the vaccination status of the affected pax.

https://onemileatatime.com/flight-coronavirus-record/

Looking at the numbers and the dates of the tests it would be pretty much statistically impossible for the spread to have occurred on the plane. Additionally 8 people in one row of an A321 tested positive? Hmmm...

greenair727 wrote:

^Have fun! I'm dying to fly again. But be careful--covid isn't filtered by a plane's HVAC system until it enters the system so that air is initially floating around the cabin.

New Record: 47 People On Flight Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://onemileatatime.com/flight-coronavirus-record/

Wow! I'm fully shot up and sitting in row 1 - planning to be last on and first off.

Row 1---good move!

Looking at May schedules, AA has put their code on CLE-BOS JetBlue flights, but not CLE-FLL/RSW. So far, anyway, B6 has not added their code the AA's CLE-LGA flights. Conveniently, AA and B6 gates are adjacent in CLE's Concourse C to support any potential interlining. Meanwhile, Spirit is complaining that this partnership is a violation of antitrust laws; they may have a case.

AA did list Cleveland as a “key business market” in its presser. No changes to service levels/new routes except for the new AA/B6 CLE-BOS route partnership. Perhaps AA and B6 could swap their JFK flights to CLE as well.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx

Some Spirit changes at CLE: LAX is down to 5x weekly (no Wednesday or Saturday flights) through at least the end of June. LAS double daily has been stripped from the schedule entirely — now just 1 per day. DFW, CUN back in the schedule, at least for now, starting in July. BOS, EWR still missing in action. Safe to say those are gone for good. Spirit seemed to see so much potential in CLE coming through the pandemic (adding EWR in July 2020) but now they’re pulling back.

F9 schedule is out through Aug 2022. CLE-SEA, SFO, CHS, MSP, PUJ not in the summer schedule.

Trk1 wrote:

United Cleveland June schedule is now completed and posted:

Mainline to: Lax, Sfo, Iah, Den, Ord, Ewr, Iad, Mco, Fll, Rsw , Cun. (average 14.2 daily)
average daily departures 21

I know there's plenty of competition, but I'm surprised there hasn't been a return to LAS yet. Especially considering the amount of leisure travelers in the current climate.

avtcle wrote:

Some Spirit changes at CLE: LAX is down to 5x weekly (no Wednesday or Saturday flights) through at least the end of June. LAS double daily has been stripped from the schedule entirely — now just 1 per day. DFW, CUN back in the schedule, at least for now, starting in July. BOS, EWR still missing in action. Safe to say those are gone for good. Spirit seemed to see so much potential in CLE coming through the pandemic (adding EWR in July 2020) but now they’re pulling back.

F9 schedule is out through Aug 2022. CLE-SEA, SFO, CHS, MSP, PUJ not in the summer schedule.

I had previously mentioned AS adding CLE-SEA nonstop service as a possibility with the lack of CLE-SEA nonstop service on a non-ULCC being a big hole prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, even with the seasonal less-than-daily nonstop service that F9 operated between CLE and SEA.

NK adding CLE-IAH/MSP nonstop service might be possibilities once demand recovers with
(a) CLE-IAH/MSP previously having nonstop competition, with F9 previously serving both of these routes nonstop from CLE and CO/UA previously serving MSP nonstop from CLE,
(b) DL currently being the only airline serving MSP nonstop from CLE,
(c) UA currently being the only airline serving IAH nonstop from CLE,
(d) SY dropping plans to serve CLE, and
(e) NK already having brand recognition in the CLE, IAH, and MSP markets to support CLE-IAH/MSP nonstop service.

I'm currently doing some research on the history of Continental's CLE hub. Does anyone have data on the number of flights (mainline vs. express would be good, too) and cities served for 2001-2003 and 2006-2010? CO stopped publishing timetables after 2001 and I have not had much luck finding data online for those years in the first decade of the 21st century. Message me if you have any data or suggested sources. Thanks!

go to departed flights.com. then go to comparison of hubs data

Trk1 wrote:

go to departed flights.com. then go to comparison of hubs data

Thanks!! The data there ends in 2000. I'll keep on searching.

avtcle wrote:

F9 schedule is out through Aug 2022. CLE-SEA, SFO, CHS, MSP, PUJ not in the summer schedule.

avtcle: does "not in the summer schedule" refer to PUJ---or all the cities you listed?

All those cities I listed seem to be missing from the summer 2022 schedule ^

I flew DCA-CLE Thursday and CLE-DCA today. Both planes were 68 passenger CR7's. Thursday had 48 pax, Sunday 64 pax, for an average l/f 82% Front cabin 100% full both ways, although I have no idea how many actually paid F fares.

Interesting item: AA was advertising "Fly AA CLE-BOS" on the wall of the jet bridge - which currently is a JetBlue code share, unless of course AA has plans to add a flight themselves.

Celebration in the DC end: no more bus rides to/from Gate 35X. They opened the new gates in DC 2 months ahead of schedule.

Southwest Airlines is adding Cleveland CLE to Sarasota SRQ beginning June 12, 2021. Saturday-only.

Cleveland to Fort Lauderdale is back. Sunday-only beginning June 6, 2021. This route was last operated in the November 2019.

Can’t see any new routes as of now. Updates still being poured into June schedule.

CLE-STL is back, finally, but at 1x daily.
CLE-MCO picks up 2 more frequencies. 2x on sat, 1x on sun.
CLE-TPA picks up 2 more frequencies. 2x on sat, 1x on sun.
CLE-RSW picks up 1 more frequency. 1x on sat, 1x on sun.

Left out my conclusion after flying DCA-CLE-DCA. The load factors point to a need for a third flight, at least on peak days.

CLE posted more detail for the March numbers. Pax data were just as CLEguy previously posted - 478.8K total pax up 11.26% over Mar 20. Cargo numbers continue to shine, after an inexplicable dip in February. 16.7 million pounds, up 18.54% over March 20 and up 6% year-to-date.

Another NK schedule update in CLE for July. A couple route frequency changes.

CLE-DFW, CLE-CUN still set to resume week of July 5, 2021.

CLE-LAS 2x daily was put back in the schedule after being pulled. Begins July 7, 2021

CLE-LAX moves up to daily from 5x weekly

CLE-FLL moves up to 2x daily

CLE-MCO has been switching between 2-3x daily. It’s back to 2x daily in the schedule. A321 is scheduled on the evening flight through the end of the sched. Looks like this is something we can get used to

CLE-MYR moves up to 10x weekly from 7x weekly

CLE-RSW extended year-round. 3x weekly through the summer. Back to daily in October

CLE-TPA extended year-round, daily

CLE-ATL year-round, daily.

CLE-EWR, BOS still missing.

United July schedule is updated.

Daily schedule for CLE:

CLE-LAX: 1.0
CLE-SFO: 1.0
CLE-DEN: 2.0
CLE-ORD: 6.0
CLE-EWR: 3.0
CLE-IAD: 2.0
CLE-FLL: 1.0 (Equipment change from 739 to E170)
CLE-RSW: 1.0 (Equipment change from 738 to 737)
CLE-MCO: 1.0 (Equipment change from 738 to 739)
CLE-CUN 0.1 (SAT)
CLE-PWM: 0.4 (FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-PNS: 0.4 (THURS/SAT/MON)
CLE-HHH: 0.4 (THURS/SAT/MON)
CLE-CHS: 0.4(FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-MYR: 0.4 (FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-IAH: 3.0

I see job openings on indeed for positions in the United Club at CLE. The employer is not United. Whats up with that?
Im shocked United even continues to maintain a club at CLE, after giving the employees the finger back in 2014.

avtcle wrote:

United July schedule is updated.

Daily schedule for CLE:

CLE-LAX: 1.0
CLE-SFO: 1.0
CLE-DEN: 2.0
CLE-ORD: 6.0
CLE-EWR: 3.0
CLE-IAD: 2.0
CLE-FLL: 1.0 (Equipment change from 739 to E170)
CLE-RSW: 1.0 (Equipment change from 738 to 737)
CLE-MCO: 1.0 (Equipment change from 738 to 739)
CLE-CUN 0.1 (SAT)
CLE-PWM: 0.4 (FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-PNS: 0.4 (THURS/SAT/MON)
CLE-HHH: 0.4 (THURS/SAT/MON)
CLE-CHS: 0.4(FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-MYR: 0.4 (FRI/SUN/WED)
CLE-IAH: 3.0

Some of these adds are to compete with Breeze. Good luck Untied, LOL.