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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:53 pm

Would B6 consider upgrading RDU-LAX/SFO to Mint? Maybe after passenger pic up? Or would it not be a premium enough route? Just wondering..
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:58 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
Would B6 consider upgrading RDU-LAX/SFO to Mint? Maybe after passenger pic up? Or would it not be a premium enough route? Just wondering..


I think we are a long time away from that happening.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:08 am

ERJ170 wrote:
Would B6 consider upgrading RDU-LAX/SFO to Mint? Maybe after passenger pic up? Or would it not be a premium enough route? Just wondering..

Only if they get more A321 mint into service. That will be at least a 2023 thing. The next couple of year might only have non-LR mint coming in. You are more likely to see A220 on those routes.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:59 am

ERJ170 wrote:
Would B6 consider upgrading RDU-LAX/SFO to Mint? Maybe after passenger pic up? Or would it not be a premium enough route? Just wondering..


The demand isn’t there. And it’s also about what your competitors are offering.

I can’t imagine Mint expanding outside of Boston/NYC/Miami unless MAYBE they start DC transcons again.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:08 pm

I wonder if they'd ever try a domestic FC on A220-300. They can have a smaller cabin (let's say 2 rows of 2x2) than the one DL/AC has. Turn last row's 3 seats into galley space. Now they have enough space for catering. 135 seats would still have the best CASM in the transcon market. They don't need to offer mint level meal service. They can have pre-ordered meal or one of the snack options on board along with free alcoholic beverage.

They can try to sell FC seats at 2x Y price instead of 3 to 4x Y price that they sell on mint to start off. If they can't sell out the cabin, then they can either upgrade mosaic member at check-in or try to sell them at the gates.

It would help them compete in markets that are willing to pay for standard FC, but not lie flat like LAX-RDU/ORD/BDL/RIC, JFK-SLC/AUS/DEN/BUR/SNA, BOS-SEA/LAS/SLC/SJC,

The goal would be to not only attract customers willing to pay domestic first seat, but also sell J fares on connection flights to Europe or Hawaii. It could also provide them access to more premium flyers who may otherwise be not inclined on JetBlue. With mint, LR, A220-300, JetBlue needs to think how it can keep moving up value chain in the customers it can capture.

JetBlue has a long way to go in capturing ff in NYC and Boston area. This deal with AA should help them a bit. They should keep asking how to get more credit card signups? Promote to DR/PR/Jamaican community of 1 free R/T if they sign up to JetBlue credit card. For people looking at JetBlue vacation, maybe trip comes with $1000 discount if they book certain 1 week trip on new JetBlue credit card. All things they can promote.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:41 pm

Oh for anyone interested, the final cut for the February schedule should be done.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:19 pm

From OAG thread, looks like JFK-BOG is starting in Feb. I'm actually surprised they are starting it this close-in with the international testing requirement coming on board. Most of the cuts look like northeast to Cali transcon, flights to AUS/DCA. Florida capacities appear to be holding up pretty well. All those MIA flights appear to be seeing minimal cuts. I'd expect that to continue with the international testing requirements. I would expect some cuts coming to CUN/MBJ in the next few updates.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:27 pm

tphuang wrote:
From OAG thread, looks like JFK-BOG is starting in Feb. I'm actually surprised they are starting it this close-in with the international testing requirement coming on board. Most of the cuts look like northeast to Cali transcon, flights to AUS/DCA. Florida capacities appear to be holding up pretty well. All those MIA flights appear to be seeing minimal cuts. I'd expect that to continue with the international testing requirements. I would expect some cuts coming to CUN/MBJ in the next few updates.


JFK-BOG-JFK looks to be starting on Feb. 11 operating on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday’s with A320 equipment.

JFK-BOG; 16:20 departure with a 22:10 arrival
BOG-JFK; 23:35 departure with a 5:28 next day arrival

Honestly surprised they didn’t make this a NEO route.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:32 pm

JFK-BOG will likely upgrade to 321NEO once travel rebounds. Safer to start with the 320 at this point.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:28 am

FARmd90 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
From OAG thread, looks like JFK-BOG is starting in Feb. I'm actually surprised they are starting it this close-in with the international testing requirement coming on board. Most of the cuts look like northeast to Cali transcon, flights to AUS/DCA. Florida capacities appear to be holding up pretty well. All those MIA flights appear to be seeing minimal cuts. I'd expect that to continue with the international testing requirements. I would expect some cuts coming to CUN/MBJ in the next few updates.


JFK-BOG-JFK looks to be starting on Feb. 11 operating on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday’s with A320 equipment.

JFK-BOG; 16:20 departure with a 22:10 arrival
BOG-JFK; 23:35 departure with a 5:28 next day arrival

Honestly surprised they didn’t make this a NEO route.


Why are all these "northern" south american flights such late arrivals -_-
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:49 am

When will B6 have their next expansion? Do ya know?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:49 pm

I'm hopeful about JFK-BOG sticking around but is the market too crowded with DL on a 767 and AV planning to bring back the third daily by summer?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:41 pm

Cboyle wrote:
When will B6 have their next expansion? Do ya know?


Id say around early to mid March.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:45 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Cboyle wrote:
When will B6 have their next expansion? Do ya know?


Id say around early to mid March.

Anything out of BOS planned?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:49 pm

Perhaps JetBlue should consider flying to Hawaii. Would be a reasonable substitution for Mexico.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
From OAG thread, looks like JFK-BOG is starting in Feb. I'm actually surprised they are starting it this close-in with the international testing requirement coming on board. Most of the cuts look like northeast to Cali transcon, flights to AUS/DCA. Florida capacities appear to be holding up pretty well. All those MIA flights appear to be seeing minimal cuts. I'd expect that to continue with the international testing requirements. I would expect some cuts coming to CUN/MBJ in the next few updates.


JFK-BOG-JFK looks to be starting on Feb. 11 operating on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday’s with A320 equipment.

JFK-BOG; 16:20 departure with a 22:10 arrival
BOG-JFK; 23:35 departure with a 5:28 next day arrival

Honestly surprised they didn’t make this a NEO route.


Why are all these "northern" south american flights such late arrivals -_-


It makes great sense for aircraft and slot utilization...and IINM, the return is when there are no slot restrictions but when FIS opens at T5i. B6's operation is based on red-eyes as a substantial part of it, and this also saves money on not having RON operations. (Remember that GYE operates with a similar arrival time and quick departure, spending only just over an hour on the ground, and from FLL, UIO is served around midnight.) This is also why B6 has, relative to aircraft age, the highest time planes in the world.

That said, I'm surprised it isn't on the A321neo, which would have less of a payload hit than the A320. This also is why B6 should consider the 35,000-lb thrust PW1100 series engine (which is designed for hot and high). I didn't even know that the A320 could do BOG-JFK (the A20N can). Normally, it would be the A319, A20N, B752, or a wide-body because BOG is 8400 feet AMSL (this is also why in Ecuador, B6 serves JFK-GYE and not JFK-UIO, but rather FLL-UIO, because UIO is 7900 feet AMSL while GYE is near sea level). Also in the future, what are the odds of CTG being re-timed to also being closer to a 9 PM arrival at CTG? After all, CTG would seem to be more of a VFR route rather than to being a tourism hotspot.

I do wonder how the A220-300 would perform on JFK-BOG in terms of performance. I know that BOS is slated to get the model first, but this would make for a good W route---BOS-JFK-BOG-JFK-BOS.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Perhaps JetBlue should consider flying to Hawaii. Would be a reasonable substitution for Mexico.

ETOPS, and then probably.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:00 pm

a little update here http://otp.investis.com/generic/sec/sec ... 3&Type=PDF
- They received $252 million as part of PSP2 on Jan 15. They are eligible for another $252 million as part of PSP2.
- So far, have taken out $115 million loan out of $1.95 billion that's available. They have until May 28th to decide if they want to take out more of that loan.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:04 pm

We have it hear something on London service relatively soon, correct?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:11 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
We have it hear something on London service relatively soon, correct?


No.

They need to get the LR aircraft delivered so they can complete ETOPS certification prior to announcing London.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:23 pm

ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
We have it hear something on London service relatively soon, correct?


No.

They need to get the LR aircraft delivered so they can complete ETOPS certification prior to announcing London.


London is set to launch in Q3 or Q4 of this year, why wouldn’t they put tickets on sale?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:33 pm

I am skeptical London will happen this year. Maybe Summer 2022.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:50 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
We have it hear something on London service relatively soon, correct?


No.

They need to get the LR aircraft delivered so they can complete ETOPS certification prior to announcing London.


London is set to launch in Q3 or Q4 of this year, why wouldn’t they put tickets on sale?


Why would they put it on sale with so much unknowns?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:01 pm

tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:

No.

They need to get the LR aircraft delivered so they can complete ETOPS certification prior to announcing London.


London is set to launch in Q3 or Q4 of this year, why wouldn’t they put tickets on sale?


Why would they put it on sale with so much unknowns?


JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:54 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Perhaps JetBlue should consider flying to Hawaii. Would be a reasonable substitution for Mexico.

There are strong rumors that this will happen after ETOPS certification. Might not happen immediately after but I’d be surprised if B6 is not flying to the islands in 2022.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:54 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

London is set to launch in Q3 or Q4 of this year, why wouldn’t they put tickets on sale?


Why would they put it on sale with so much unknowns?


JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.


To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:52 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Perhaps JetBlue should consider flying to Hawaii. Would be a reasonable substitution for Mexico.

There are strong rumors that this will happen after ETOPS certification. Might not happen immediately after but I’d be surprised if B6 is not flying to the islands in 2022.

Completely agree. B6 starting HNL-LAX/SFO has probably moved up the priority list with the new US testing requirements that could hurt international leisure destinations like SJD/CUN. I was liking the idea of a semi-focus city at CUN but it would certainly need to wait now with the testing requirements possibly really hurting Mexico flying.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:55 pm

ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Why would they put it on sale with so much unknowns?


JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.


To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.


Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:58 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.


To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.


Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?

I think the difference is they aren't just waiting on government approval. They currently don't have planes that can fly the route.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:22 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.


To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.


Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?


I have seen that, and this is 100% different than ETOPS certification. Right now they have zero planes which can fly a route and they don't have approval to operate under the CFR. They are planning on using the 321LR for these operations and until one of those are delivered they cannot do the final steps in the certification process.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 135-42.pdf

Southwest didn't start selling Hawaii tickets until the were certified, and this is the same for JetBlue. Both of these airlines talked about ETOPS routes for quite some time, so once they get approval they can sell tickets.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:43 pm

ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:

To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.


Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?


I have seen that, and this is 100% different than ETOPS certification. Right now they have zero planes which can fly a route and they don't have approval to operate under the CFR. They are planning on using the 321LR for these operations and until one of those are delivered they cannot do the final steps in the certification process.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 135-42.pdf

Southwest didn't start selling Hawaii tickets until the were certified, and this is the same for JetBlue. Both of these airlines talked about ETOPS routes for quite some time, so once they get approval they can sell tickets.


So then can we agree these routes won’t launch in 2021?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:17 pm

These routes will launch when the planes are ready and when they have the slot situation figured out. JFK-BOG got loaded in less than a month before the start date. They don't need 5 or 6 months advanced notice to launch these routes. I don't expect their London start time to be known before April. Based on their deliveries, they should start London flights in july. If TATL demand is still garbage by then, maybe they can try something else.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:24 pm

Is B6 coming to NH (MHT/PSM) anytime soon?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:56 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?


I have seen that, and this is 100% different than ETOPS certification. Right now they have zero planes which can fly a route and they don't have approval to operate under the CFR. They are planning on using the 321LR for these operations and until one of those are delivered they cannot do the final steps in the certification process.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 135-42.pdf

Southwest didn't start selling Hawaii tickets until the were certified, and this is the same for JetBlue. Both of these airlines talked about ETOPS routes for quite some time, so once they get approval they can sell tickets.


So then can we agree these routes won’t launch in 2021?


Nope. They could easily start in 2021. They first need to get the LR aircraft which are slated to be their ETOPS set, from there continue with the certification process for both maintenance and operations. Once they are certified they will go from there. However the two contingencies at this time is taking delivery and then the FAA. One is more of known timeframe than the other.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:05 pm

ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:

I have seen that, and this is 100% different than ETOPS certification. Right now they have zero planes which can fly a route and they don't have approval to operate under the CFR. They are planning on using the 321LR for these operations and until one of those are delivered they cannot do the final steps in the certification process.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 135-42.pdf

Southwest didn't start selling Hawaii tickets until the were certified, and this is the same for JetBlue. Both of these airlines talked about ETOPS routes for quite some time, so once they get approval they can sell tickets.


So then can we agree these routes won’t launch in 2021?


Nope. They could easily start in 2021. They first need to get the LR aircraft which are slated to be their ETOPS set, from there continue with the certification process for both maintenance and operations. Once they are certified they will go from there. However the two contingencies at this time is taking delivery and then the FAA. One is more of known timeframe than the other.


So you just told me it was premature to talk about London flights going on sale and now your saying they will launch this year? You gotta make up your mind.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:29 pm

I am very happy that JetBlue has added Florida service (RSW & TPA) during the pandemic but hope they consider a route that gets PVD access to the western network. JFK, EWR, and maybe now RDU would get us that but not sure it’s feasible. Thoughts??
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:15 am

PVD757 wrote:
I am very happy that JetBlue has added Florida service (RSW & TPA) during the pandemic but hope they consider a route that gets PVD access to the western network. JFK, EWR, and maybe now RDU would get us that but not sure it’s feasible. Thoughts??


Maybe with the new AA partnership, B6 could offer morning PVD-JFK and maybe 1 more flight later in the day which both offerings could work out nicely for connections to both the AA and B6 network.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:24 am

any mint flights out of mco possibly?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:44 am

PVD757 wrote:
I am very happy that JetBlue has added Florida service (RSW & TPA) during the pandemic but hope they consider a route that gets PVD access to the western network. JFK, EWR, and maybe now RDU would get us that but not sure it’s feasible. Thoughts??


I think there will be more destination(s) added out of PVD this year. I think all 3 airports you listed are possible. LGA is possible too. I'm really curious to see how they intent to structure their network out of NYC. Without knowing that, it's hard to say for example whether or not EWR-PVD makes sense.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:12 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

So then can we agree these routes won’t launch in 2021?


Nope. They could easily start in 2021. They first need to get the LR aircraft which are slated to be their ETOPS set, from there continue with the certification process for both maintenance and operations. Once they are certified they will go from there. However the two contingencies at this time is taking delivery and then the FAA. One is more of known timeframe than the other.


So you just told me it was premature to talk about London flights going on sale and now your saying they will launch this year? You gotta make up your mind.


They could start flights in November as the start of the Northern Winter 2021 window, and that would be this year.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:42 am

PVD757 wrote:
I am very happy that JetBlue has added Florida service (RSW & TPA) during the pandemic but hope they consider a route that gets PVD access to the western network. JFK, EWR, and maybe now RDU would get us that but not sure it’s feasible. Thoughts??


LAX. What's the market size of LAX from PVD?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:42 am

hbernal1 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Perhaps JetBlue should consider flying to Hawaii. Would be a reasonable substitution for Mexico.

There are strong rumors that this will happen after ETOPS certification. Might not happen immediately after but I’d be surprised if B6 is not flying to the islands in 2022.

Completely agree. B6 starting HNL-LAX/SFO has probably moved up the priority list with the new US testing requirements that could hurt international leisure destinations like SJD/CUN. I was liking the idea of a semi-focus city at CUN but it would certainly need to wait now with the testing requirements possibly really hurting Mexico flying.


I've brought this up previously in this thread. I think the consensus was that it's definitely moved up in B6's "to-do list" or priorities, like you all have said - maybe not this summer, but definitely by next summer. In fact, even this summer should be great for Hawaii. About equipment and offerings on potential Hawaii routes, Mint would be a great offering that would attract many honeymooners/premium leisure pax to B6, especially given Mint's unique config which allows pax to easily decide whether they want direct aisle access or not based on the large amount of couples flying to Hawaii. Of course, to get any of this off the ground, they'll have to wait for ETOPS cert and 321neos (or even LRs I guess) with Mint. Speaking of which, anyone know when the first Mint-equipped neos will be delivered??
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:18 pm

sfojvjets wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
There are strong rumors that this will happen after ETOPS certification. Might not happen immediately after but I’d be surprised if B6 is not flying to the islands in 2022.

Completely agree. B6 starting HNL-LAX/SFO has probably moved up the priority list with the new US testing requirements that could hurt international leisure destinations like SJD/CUN. I was liking the idea of a semi-focus city at CUN but it would certainly need to wait now with the testing requirements possibly really hurting Mexico flying.


I've brought this up previously in this thread. I think the consensus was that it's definitely moved up in B6's "to-do list" or priorities, like you all have said - maybe not this summer, but definitely by next summer. In fact, even this summer should be great for Hawaii. About equipment and offerings on potential Hawaii routes, Mint would be a great offering that would attract many honeymooners/premium leisure pax to B6, especially given Mint's unique config which allows pax to easily decide whether they want direct aisle access or not based on the large amount of couples flying to Hawaii. Of course, to get any of this off the ground, they'll have to wait for ETOPS cert and 321neos (or even LRs I guess) with Mint. Speaking of which, anyone know when the first Mint-equipped neos will be delivered??


I think a mint configured 321CEO would easily be able to fly to Hawaii (2ACT’s).
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:23 pm

11C wrote:
sfojvjets wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Completely agree. B6 starting HNL-LAX/SFO has probably moved up the priority list with the new US testing requirements that could hurt international leisure destinations like SJD/CUN. I was liking the idea of a semi-focus city at CUN but it would certainly need to wait now with the testing requirements possibly really hurting Mexico flying.


I've brought this up previously in this thread. I think the consensus was that it's definitely moved up in B6's "to-do list" or priorities, like you all have said - maybe not this summer, but definitely by next summer. In fact, even this summer should be great for Hawaii. About equipment and offerings on potential Hawaii routes, Mint would be a great offering that would attract many honeymooners/premium leisure pax to B6, especially given Mint's unique config which allows pax to easily decide whether they want direct aisle access or not based on the large amount of couples flying to Hawaii. Of course, to get any of this off the ground, they'll have to wait for ETOPS cert and 321neos (or even LRs I guess) with Mint. Speaking of which, anyone know when the first Mint-equipped neos will be delivered??


I think a mint configured 321CEO would easily be able to fly to Hawaii (2ACT’s).


They can. Mint A321s with 2ACTs have nearly 8 hour range. But ETOPS wasn't considered on this subfleet, which is why they need to wait for the LR, since that'll be the type which will be OpsSpec'd.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:10 pm

B752OS wrote:
PVD757 wrote:
I am very happy that JetBlue has added Florida service (RSW & TPA) during the pandemic but hope they consider a route that gets PVD access to the western network. JFK, EWR, and maybe now RDU would get us that but not sure it’s feasible. Thoughts??


LAX. What's the market size of LAX from PVD?


Pre pandemic numbers were historically north of 100 PDEW. LA has, for years, been the largest unserved market from PVD. B6s focus and doubling down on protecting the BOS network 60 miles north likely inhibited any substantial growth from PVD. Lots of talk on here suggesting there could finally be a RI-CA link with either JetBlue's recent unorthodox strategy of connecting the dots or perhaps a few years down the road when there's more A220s to go around.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:38 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ytib wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

JetBlue made a commitment to launch London flights in 2021 and then reaffirmed their commitment twice during the pandemic.


To put it in the simplest terms, you can't sell tickets for operations you are not certified to fly.


Have you never seen “*Route dependent on government approval” noted on a route?


That is not for this.

B6 doesnt have the aircraft

B6 hasnt trained the pilots

B6 hasnt even put out a bid for the pilots yet

B6 doesnt have a commencement date

B6 doesnt have an airport in London to fly into

B6 literally has nothing ready that is required to sell tickets.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:03 pm

Any chance B6 tries any South American destinations from EWR?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:14 pm

A bigger question for me is if their international plans change with the AA relationship. In order to fulfill the requirements of the deal, they need to do massive domestic growth out of NYC. We know they will go into London for sure. Aside from London, where does it make sense for them to fly to? Do they stay away from certain airports because AA already fly there from JFK? By 2023, do they focus more on South American flying to grow FLL?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:38 pm

tphuang wrote:
A bigger question for me is if their international plans change with the AA relationship. In order to fulfill the requirements of the deal, they need to do massive domestic growth out of NYC. We know they will go into London for sure. Aside from London, where does it make sense for them to fly to? Do they stay away from certain airports because AA already fly there from JFK? By 2023, do they focus more on South American flying to grow FLL?


I've seen business press articles suggesting AMS, PAR (unclear if ORY or CDG), and I think BRU as potential B6 destinations from BOS or JFK. Not sure about DUB as they would be duplicating EI services from JFK and BOS if they were do launch them. I don't think the other TATL routes AA has from JFK will see any B6 service (FCO, MXP, MAD, BCN, or LHR). They don't have the equipment or the sales infrastructure in place fo that. BCN way down the road, potentially, with 321XLRs but years away and could be a complement to the AA flight (AA used to fly BCN 2 x daily in peak times, though with the 767, then consolidated down to a single 777). I don't see B6 getting LHR slots and more likely will operate to LGW, where they could pick up the traffic left off by DY's exit and that would complement AA's up 4 x daily LHR service, though not sure the "partnership" makes that in scope. AMS, BRU make some sense, in that it will be a few years before AA will have the 321XLRs and I don't frankly see AA adding either destination from JFK.

I would expect B6's TATL services to be pushed out well into 2022 and perhaps even beyond. The market they are chasing isn't there right now.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:16 am


B6 doesnt have an airport in London to fly into


Didn’t they receive slots to Stansted and Gatwick?

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