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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:58 pm

I figured this weekend would be when JetBlue would make any more cuts to OCT if they were going to (the weekend before the pilots and inflight bid their next new month so schedules need to be firm).

Anyone seeing anything for OCT or later in Q4 for that matter?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:07 pm

Anyone has any info on how the GUA flights are doing? They’ve been operating the flight with an A321 which is great but not much to go on with. I hope they open FLL or MCO as well.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:09 pm

https://crankyflier.com/2021/08/30/fall ... er-trends/

On this weekend's cuts. 2.5% down in Oct, 4.5% down in Nov and 2.9% down in Dec. Apparently, a lot of off peak stuff trimmed. FLL-PDX done for the year and FLL-SEA gone until holiday season. I'm sure they would have chopped more at NYC if not for the slot waiver ending.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:00 pm

Will B6 add better connections out of DCA seems like most connections are though BOS"??? why
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:42 am

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Will B6 add better connections out of DCA seems like most connections are though BOS"??? why


I saw you asking the same question on BOS thread. The answer is pretty simple. They have 16 flights a day on BOS-DCA. Even if it requires back tracking, DCA going through BOS would get you to most destinations in JetBlue's network better than any other plausible connection points.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:10 am

Found this interesting article from AA back in July. Jetblue has plans to exit the MAT, but it will still take a year or so? Are they waiting for the western concourse to open or for increased demand?

Honestly, as Jetblue adds, the MAT becomes more cramped especially with NK's FLL powerhouse.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:42 am

Looks like JetBlue swung the ax to its Winter 21/22 schedule last night. My nonstop flight was changed into a one-stop via JFK. Thanks but no thanks. Now flying another airline.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:10 pm

Don't know about winter 21/22 schedule, but they did do Nov/Dec cuts this past weekend and BOS saw frequency cuts to AUS/BUF/CHS/DFW/MSP. EWR and FLL saw quite a lot of reductions. JFK saw a bunch of minor reductions in October. Not a surprise, but LGA/JFK/DCA basically saw no reductions due to slot waiver ending. Again, this could all still change depending on whether or not slot usage requirements gets updated.

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Found this interesting article from AA back in July. Jetblue has plans to exit the MAT, but it will still take a year or so? Are they waiting for the western concourse to open or for increased demand?

Honestly, as Jetblue adds, the MAT becomes more cramped especially with NK's FLL powerhouse.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx

not much NK can do at MAT with just 11 permanent slot pairs.

It makes sense for B6 to keep the BOS-LGA shuttle in MAT as long as it can. Over time, I guess the costs of having its own private terminal and split terminal operation outweighs the benefits of having the closest terminal to the city.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:51 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Looks like JetBlue swung the ax to its Winter 21/22 schedule last night. My nonstop flight was changed into a one-stop via JFK. Thanks but no thanks. Now flying another airline.


And where were you flying from and going to?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:01 am

not too surprising here. LHR cuts extended through Oct. LGW also starts off at 4x weekly.
https://paxex.aero/jetblue-london-schedule-cut-october/
looks like they are doing this to make sure they comply with the 50% slot usage requirements over in those 2 airports.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 pm

tphuang wrote:
not too surprising here. LHR cuts extended through Oct. LGW also starts off at 4x weekly.
https://paxex.aero/jetblue-london-schedule-cut-october/
looks like they are doing this to make sure they comply with the 50% slot usage requirements over in those 2 airports.

Towards the end of the article it mentions “ Thanks to JetBlue’s ever deepening partnership with American Airlines the schedule to London looks better than it really is. JetBlue placed its code on American’s JFK-Heathrow flights every day. American’s Boston-London flights also carry a JetBlue code.”
I thought the transatlantic was carved out and they would compete on this? Or is it temporary to help those who booked before the reduction due to the travel restrictions?
It is nice overall they mentioned since they will start lgw service, the London area will still be serviced daily between the 2 airports, even 2x on mondays to Lhr/lgw
“ The updated schedule gives the carrier coverage to London daily (double on Mondays!) and meets slot usage requirements at both airports.”
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:59 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
not too surprising here. LHR cuts extended through Oct. LGW also starts off at 4x weekly.
https://paxex.aero/jetblue-london-schedule-cut-october/
looks like they are doing this to make sure they comply with the 50% slot usage requirements over in those 2 airports.

Towards the end of the article it mentions “ Thanks to JetBlue’s ever deepening partnership with American Airlines the schedule to London looks better than it really is. JetBlue placed its code on American’s JFK-Heathrow flights every day. American’s Boston-London flights also carry a JetBlue code.”
I thought the transatlantic was carved out and they would compete on this? Or is it temporary to help those who booked before the reduction due to the travel restrictions?
It is nice overall they mentioned since they will start lgw service, the London area will still be serviced daily between the 2 airports, even 2x on mondays to Lhr/lgw
“ The updated schedule gives the carrier coverage to London daily (double on Mondays!) and meets slot usage requirements at both airports.”

IIRC B6's transatlantic service is carved out meaning AA won't put its code on those flights. I don't think the opposite ever applied.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:49 pm

From what I understand, the B6 ALPA contract places limits on codesharing when JetBlue can operate the flying with their own metal. Routes such as JFK-TLV, FCO, MXP, ATH, etc. are fine as JetBlue doesn’t have aircraft with range but codesharing on BOS/JFK-LHR is prohibited. Of note: JetBlue asked for scope relief earlier this year in exchange for a very small raise and the pilots turned it down. JetBlue implemented contractually illegal codeshares after the vote and ALPA is seeking binding arbitration.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:57 pm

tphuang wrote:
not too surprising here. LHR cuts extended through Oct. LGW also starts off at 4x weekly.
https://paxex.aero/jetblue-london-schedule-cut-october/
looks like they are doing this to make sure they comply with the 50% slot usage requirements over in those 2 airports.

Maybe this has been answered already, but wasn’t the temporary slot award for Heathrow a total of 270 and only for 2021. Does it really matter if they use 50% or more as these aren’t dedicated permanent slots in the normal sense? Could using less now stretch their 270 total farther out?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:29 pm

https://onemileatatime.com/reviews/jetb ... te-a321lr/
More from OMAAT on A321LR mint suite. A lot of positive coverage recently from them on B6. While we have been looking at these reviews for a while, the flying public is mostly unaware of A321LR product. This type of review comment makes me think that it might be a while before A321LR really takes off with the flying public.
While some people obviously booked JetBlue because they were excited to fly the airline, there were just as many people caught off guard. I can’t count the number of expletives I heard (in a positive way), as people saw the Mint cabin.


again, the fly-fi is something that will really set them apart across the Atlantic, especially among the Y passengers
The best part of JetBlue’s entertainment is Fly-Fi, which is JetBlue’s unlimited high-speed Wi-Fi. Yep, this is even available across the Atlantic. All passengers can use as much Wi-Fi as they’d like on as many devices as they’d like, with no data caps.
This is such a ridiculously awesome competitive advantage. Not only was Wi-Fi free, but it was also the fastest I’ve experienced across the Atlantic. La Compagnie is the only other airline I know of with free Wi-Fi across the Atlantic with no data caps, and speeds there were comparable.


Again, I think at this point, lounge is needed. I'm curious to see if the LR will get some JFK-LAX rotations in October, since both LHR/LGW are getting reduced schedules. Right now, only 2 flights a day at on A321LD. They should work toward getting the new mint suite product on all the JFK-LAX/SFO flights eventually.

Maybe this has been answered already, but wasn’t the temporary slot award for Heathrow a total of 270 and only for 2021. Does it really matter if they use 50% or more as these aren’t dedicated permanent slots in the normal sense? Could using less now stretch their 270 total farther out?

you don't get to strech them out. I think it's pretty much a given they will get slots for the winter season (although times might change). The big question is next summer, which the slot requirements t LHR might go up and the temporary slots get taken up. They are doing this great effort now to try to secure permanent LHR slots by showing that they have positive effect in the JFK-LHR market. We will see if that works out.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:12 pm

tphuang wrote:
They are doing this great effort now to try to secure permanent LHR slots by showing that they have positive effect in the JFK-LHR market. We will see if that works out.


That's not how slot allocation works at LHR so that would be a wasted effort. Free slots, which are extremely rare, get dolled out to new airlines flying unserved routes. You pretty much need both to score as there are so few to go around (a handful a year at most, and not necessarily at suitable times - ask Norwegian or easyJet when they tried to get into LHR). B6 being a new airline won't be enough since NYC is already very well served so B6 is extremely unlikely to be successful.

But yes, that will be a problem for next summer.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:32 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
tphuang wrote:
They are doing this great effort now to try to secure permanent LHR slots by showing that they have positive effect in the JFK-LHR market. We will see if that works out.


That's not how slot allocation works at LHR so that would be a wasted effort. Free slots, which are extremely rare, get dolled out to new airlines flying unserved routes. You pretty much need both to score as there are so few to go around (a handful a year at most, and not necessarily at suitable times - ask Norwegian or easyJet when they tried to get into LHR). B6 being a new airline won't be enough since NYC is already very well served so B6 is extremely unlikely to be successful.

But yes, that will be a problem for next summer.


B6 is bidding on most of the slot divestitures from BA/AA JBA. That's where this would come into play. On top of that, there was also the talk of additional LHR slots being made available a while ago. We will see what happens. If none of this works out, then they will just have to live with LGW or do some trading with airlines that have surplus of LHR slots like Etihad.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:06 pm

JFK-LHR has been removed from inventory after March 25, 2022. LGW is still available for booking through the end of the schedule.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:32 am

DELTA777 wrote:
JFK-LHR has been removed from inventory after March 25, 2022. LGW is still available for booking through the end of the schedule.

LHR has never been for sale beyond that date, so to say it has been removed is inaccurate. It would be correct to say it has not been added for sale after March 25.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:41 am

TerminalD wrote:
DELTA777 wrote:
JFK-LHR has been removed from inventory after March 25, 2022. LGW is still available for booking through the end of the schedule.

LHR has never been for sale beyond that date, so to say it has been removed is inaccurate. It would be correct to say it has not been added for sale after March 25.


Good to know! Thanks for that information.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:35 am

tphuang wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
tphuang wrote:
They are doing this great effort now to try to secure permanent LHR slots by showing that they have positive effect in the JFK-LHR market. We will see if that works out.


That's not how slot allocation works at LHR so that would be a wasted effort. Free slots, which are extremely rare, get dolled out to new airlines flying unserved routes. You pretty much need both to score as there are so few to go around (a handful a year at most, and not necessarily at suitable times - ask Norwegian or easyJet when they tried to get into LHR). B6 being a new airline won't be enough since NYC is already very well served so B6 is extremely unlikely to be successful.

But yes, that will be a problem for next summer.


B6 is bidding on most of the slot divestitures from BA/AA JBA. That's where this would come into play. On top of that, there was also the talk of additional LHR slots being made available a while ago. We will see what happens. If none of this works out, then they will just have to live with LGW or do some trading with airlines that have surplus of LHR slots like Etihad.


I assuming the divestures you're referring to are those demanded by the CMA (the UK's Competition & Markets Authority) in relation to approval of the OW JBA.

https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/investigation-of-the-atlantic-joint-business-agreement

If so, LON-NYC is not a route of concern and B6 will not be able to score slots through divesture for that route (divestures are route-specific). They will only be able to do that for LON-BOS (which is how UA was able to secure slots for its BOS-LHR flight).

As for the additional slots at Heathrow, there won't be many. Anyways, demand for slots at LHR is always high and slot allocation will still give a premium to new destinations as opposed to NYC, which is already well served. That reality won't change. Heck, Chinese airlines launching a new flight to the armpit of China will have a better chance to succeed (and when are Chinese airlines not happy launching crazy routes!). Also keep in mind there are plenty of carriers at Gatwick who are just waiting for an opportunity to switch to Heathrow. B6 will be at the end of a long queue.

To be honest, they'd be better off concentrating on Gatwick where they can build a bigger operation (compared to a split setup), and where they could leverage a possible easyJet partnership for feed.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:19 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Found this interesting article from AA back in July. Jetblue has plans to exit the MAT, but it will still take a year or so? Are they waiting for the western concourse to open or for increased demand?

Honestly, as Jetblue adds, the MAT becomes more cramped especially with NK's FLL powerhouse.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx


Boston shuttle (if there is ever a need for a shuttle again) stays at MAT. Everything else returns to the main terminal
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:25 pm

Therr will be plenty of slots next summer.

Most of the world beyond America it’s still under a very restricted state with little to no travel.

Look at the Qantas debacle earnings from last week.

And look at the EU reimposing travel restrictions on the US this week.


Travel to the UK and Europe will still be way down next summer…And Jetblue will have slots.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:24 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Found this interesting article from AA back in July. Jetblue has plans to exit the MAT, but it will still take a year or so? Are they waiting for the western concourse to open or for increased demand?

Honestly, as Jetblue adds, the MAT becomes more cramped especially with NK's FLL powerhouse.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx


Boston shuttle (if there is ever a need for a shuttle again) stays at MAT. Everything else returns to the main terminal



Boston shuttle stays until early 2022, even that moves eventually.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:11 pm

Does anyone know how B6 did at LAX for their first summer ops there? They seemed to have a rocky start by announcing all the routes and then cutting them before bringing them back for the summer season. I know they ran into some gate pains and now have select flights leaving out of the new midfield terminal. All the flights I worked into LA this summer were full full full which was a nice thing to see, but now with the summer near the end, schools back in session and some lockdowns coming back load factors have dropped off a lot (as to be expected this time of year).

Hoping to see some new routes announced out of LA for next summer later this year.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:27 am

jfklganyc wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Found this interesting article from AA back in July. Jetblue has plans to exit the MAT, but it will still take a year or so? Are they waiting for the western concourse to open or for increased demand?

Honestly, as Jetblue adds, the MAT becomes more cramped especially with NK's FLL powerhouse.

https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx


Boston shuttle (if there is ever a need for a shuttle again) stays at MAT. Everything else returns to the main terminal


When will B6 move out of the MAT besides Boston?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:39 am

This fall is word around MAT.

What I gather from talking to managers (again gather) is the Port Authority screwed this all up with the NK move.

It was unexpected and unwanted, but Delta wanted it done.

It made the boutique terminal B6 created with the refresh a crowded mess with a lower-tier type traveller. There are fist fights and such. The seating has been changed from club seating to standard seating in all of the terminal.

The move hastened B6s hand.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:55 pm

B6 will be introducing the 321LR (3NL) on select flights in October in addition to the current 3NS. Bookable now and looks to be scheduled for the noon departure from JFK.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:02 pm

FARmd90 wrote:
B6 will be introducing the 321LR (3NL) on select flights in October in addition to the current 3NS. Bookable now and looks to be scheduled for the noon departure from JFK.

You mean on jfk lax I assume? It makes a lot of sense to rotate a321lr through jfk lax as long as tatl demand is down.

Not sure how rest of lax is doing. I know the new routes were performing poorly. Not sure if things got more sustainable over summer time.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:03 pm

Re: Lounge… They recently put up new signs in T5 for the T8 connection bus.

I also noticed the word lounge has a little cover on it. Does anyone know if they are bringing back a lounge in the international wing?

Sure seems that way by the new signage
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm

tphuang wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
B6 will be introducing the 321LR (3NL) on select flights in October in addition to the current 3NS. Bookable now and looks to be scheduled for the noon departure from JFK.

You mean on jfk lax I assume? It makes a lot of sense to rotate a321lr through jfk lax as long as tatl demand is down.

Not sure how rest of lax is doing. I know the new routes were performing poorly. Not sure if things got more sustainable over summer time.


Correct. Several pairings in the October bid have 3NL running JFK-LAX routings
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:48 pm

They're already running the LR on JFK-LAX
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:11 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Travel to the UK and Europe will still be way down next summer…And Jetblue will have slots.

Most countries have relaxed their slot ownership regulations. This permits airlines to hold onto slots they owned pre-COVID even if they're currently not serving the route. The skies may be empty, but there aren't really any more free slots than before.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:56 pm

Any idea when SFO will get the LD/LR? Would love to see B6's new premium seat here.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:34 pm

TheLunchbox wrote:
They're already running the LR on JFK-LAX


Correct. Looks as though the 321LR goes from operating on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday in September, to daily in October.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:19 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
This fall is word around MAT.

What I gather from talking to managers (again gather) is the Port Authority screwed this all up with the NK move.

It was unexpected and unwanted, but Delta wanted it done.

It made the boutique terminal B6 created with the refresh a crowded mess with a lower-tier type traveller. There are fist fights and such. The seating has been changed from club seating to standard seating in all of the terminal.

The move hastened B6s hand.


If this is the case (and I have no reason to doubt you given the videos we see of NK travelers elsewhere) -- why would any LGA-BOS business traveler want to wait in what is no better than the Port Authority Bus Terminal?

It seems like getting everything out of there -- or building a lounge for those business travelers -- would be best?

Sad, but typical, Port Authority.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:57 am

The reason LGA-BOS will stick around MAT the longest is due to the short cab time from the city to MAT vs the main terminal. They are going to be up to 35 departures a day by November. I'm assuming that's when the initial move will happen. I'm sure the business travelers on LGA-BOS won't like it very much, but at least there shouldn't be that many NK flights.

As for SFO on LR/LD, that might take a while since no A321LD deliveries in 2022. If I had to guess, then late 2023 is probably the earliest when you'd see regularly scheduled LD/LR service. All could change, but JFK-LAX is always going to be the mint route getting the latest product first.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm

 
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Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:40 pm

http://otp.investis.com/generic/sec/sec ... 3&Type=PDF
Here is the 8-K on that one. I have to say that the update for Q3 was not as disastrous as I had expected. A drop of 6 to 9% in revenue vs 2019 Q3 is not so bad. No change in CASM-ex. Still positive EBIDTA.

The big concern is probably for Q4, especially before Thanksgiving.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:00 pm

Looks like JetBlue also sent messages to employees.
https://paxex.aero/jetblue-scale-back-q3-growth/
I have to say this message seems more pessimistic than the Q3 udpate. I'd assume that bookings in October and first half of November must look pretty weak for them.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:26 pm

FAA is extending slot waivers at JFK LGA DCA another 6 months per Bloomberg.

I’d guess massive schedule changes coming since the Nov and on schedules were based on this not happening.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:44 pm

IdlewildJFK wrote:
FAA is extending slot waivers at JFK LGA DCA another 6 months per Bloomberg.

I’d guess massive schedule changes coming since the Nov and on schedules were based on this not happening.



Link?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:59 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
IdlewildJFK wrote:
FAA is extending slot waivers at JFK LGA DCA another 6 months per Bloomberg.

I’d guess massive schedule changes coming since the Nov and on schedules were based on this not happening.



Link?



The FAA also on Thursday said it is extending a Covid-19 related waiver of the minimum slot usage requirement at JFK, LaGuardia and Reagan until March 26, 2022.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... r-carriers
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:04 pm

IdlewildJFK wrote:
FAA is extending slot waivers at JFK LGA DCA another 6 months per Bloomberg.

I’d guess massive schedule changes coming since the Nov and on schedules were based on this not happening.



I wouldnt expect too much from B6.

I would expect to see AA dump their JFK schedule though
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm

I would expect a huge reduction in their DCA schedule. No reason to have 16x BOS-DCA right now. there isn't a lot of slot squating for them out of JFK/LGA. I'd imagine they will cut some of the BOS shuttle flights. I would still expect to see over 160 flights a day for them out of JFK on peak days. I could see some of these aircraft time get re-allocated to EWR. There is probably a good chance they win the 16 prime time slots (8 slot pairs). I see that as an obvious step for them to get to 80 departures a day there.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:43 pm

tphuang wrote:
I would expect a huge reduction in their DCA schedule. No reason to have 16x BOS-DCA right now. there isn't a lot of slot squating for them out of JFK/LGA. I'd imagine they will cut some of the BOS shuttle flights. I would still expect to see over 160 flights a day for them out of JFK on peak days. I could see some of these aircraft time get re-allocated to EWR. There is probably a good chance they win the 16 prime time slots (8 slot pairs). I see that as an obvious step for them to get to 80 departures a day there.


If they win the slot pairs then the aircraft should be allocated to EWR. If not, I don’t think they can fly more then the schedule they have now from EWR. The slots at EWR seem to be here to stay, for now, so B6 can’t add.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:49 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I would expect a huge reduction in their DCA schedule. No reason to have 16x BOS-DCA right now. there isn't a lot of slot squating for them out of JFK/LGA. I'd imagine they will cut some of the BOS shuttle flights. I would still expect to see over 160 flights a day for them out of JFK on peak days. I could see some of these aircraft time get re-allocated to EWR. There is probably a good chance they win the 16 prime time slots (8 slot pairs). I see that as an obvious step for them to get to 80 departures a day there.


If they win the slot pairs then the aircraft should be allocated to EWR. If not, I don’t think they can fly more then the schedule they have now from EWR. The slots at EWR seem to be here to stay, for now, so B6 can’t add.


There are no slots at EWR.

There are hourly limits.

B6 can add outside of peak times
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:50 pm

Just announced B6 will move to the south terminal in MCO in May. Anchor tenant.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:59 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Just announced B6 will move to the south terminal in MCO in May. Anchor tenant.


Lots of big moves coming up for B6 next year. The EWR move to the new terminal will be right around the same time.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:00 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I would expect a huge reduction in their DCA schedule. No reason to have 16x BOS-DCA right now. there isn't a lot of slot squating for them out of JFK/LGA. I'd imagine they will cut some of the BOS shuttle flights. I would still expect to see over 160 flights a day for them out of JFK on peak days. I could see some of these aircraft time get re-allocated to EWR. There is probably a good chance they win the 16 prime time slots (8 slot pairs). I see that as an obvious step for them to get to 80 departures a day there.


If they win the slot pairs then the aircraft should be allocated to EWR. If not, I don’t think they can fly more then the schedule they have now from EWR. The slots at EWR seem to be here to stay, for now, so B6 can’t add.


There are no slots at EWR.

There are hourly limits.

B6 can add outside of peak times


The FAA didn’t just release 16 slots for there to be “no slots.”

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