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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:04 am

Any word on when the SBD gateway is suppose to open up?
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:31 pm

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We should be seeing N491AZ (former N392AN) going into service today, if it keeps to the plans we saw a couple of months ago.



N392AN was leased to Amazon yesterday.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:38 pm

MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
We should be seeing N491AZ (former N392AN) going into service today, if it keeps to the plans we saw a couple of months ago.



N392AN was leased to Amazon yesterday.


Thanks as always for this info!

So maybe it will move soon. Looks like the transaction was timely, just not the activation to service.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:05 pm

Was wondering which tail is next for GUS? N394AN B763 BDSF has been at ILN since February 17, 2020, to be RR N321CM? N227AZ B763 ex-N388AA did go to ROW for AZ paint few weeks ago, right? As of February 24, 2021 N712AX B762 Asian Air had not been parted out, & for me soo thankful! Any word if Astral is to lease ex-West Atlantic B762's SE-RLA & SE-RLB from ABX? cheers!
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:20 pm

N385AM has filed for a 10:10 AM GMT departure from SNN-CVG on Saturday. TLV-SNN leg not showing up, but seems like it will depart TLV within the next day or so.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:39 pm

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N385AM has filed for a 10:10 AM GMT departure from SNN-CVG on Saturday. TLV-SNN leg not showing up, but seems like it will depart TLV within the next day or so.


Good eye! Right on schedule.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:13 am

N376AN (N317AZ) is having some difficulties in c-check and because of that N385AM will be sliding into it’s delivery spot (March 16th) and will join without a Prime Air livery like a couple previous tails. 376 will join at a later date.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:15 am

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N376AN (N317AZ) is having some difficulties in c-check and because of that N385AM will be sliding into it’s delivery spot (March 16th) and will join without a Prime Air livery like a couple previous tails. 376 will join at a later date.


Interesting, given that she's been operated by ATI for two and a half years, and been all around the world with them. You would think that their operational experience with her would minimize surprises in check, but, OTOH, that's one purpose of doing a heavy-check: find latent defects.

Is there anything to infer from the fact that this is the first C-check that Flightstar has done for ATI?

This really-validates ATSG's conservative approach of having more metal around, sooner-than-promised, for their primary cargo customer, so if something goes sideways there is a Plan B.

In any event, we're getting kind of fond of ATI's, "I used to fly for AA" livery. Actually looks kinda-snappy, and it's cheap and easy to create: all it takes is a couple of guys in TLV with a can of Battleship Grey and a paint roller to apply it over the green primer. Maybe that's what they're doing right now...

While we have you here, any word yet on who's gonna fly N521AZ and N563AZ?
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:24 pm

Jetran bought N397AN from American on Tuesday.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:42 pm

wjcandee wrote:
autopiloton wrote:
N376AN (N317AZ) is having some difficulties in c-check and because of that N385AM will be sliding into it’s delivery spot (March 16th) and will join without a Prime Air livery like a couple previous tails. 376 will join at a later date.


Interesting, given that she's been operated by ATI for two and a half years, and been all around the world with them. You would think that their operational experience with her would minimize surprises in check, but, OTOH, that's one purpose of doing a heavy-check: find latent defects.

Is there anything to infer from the fact that this is the first C-check that Flightstar has done for ATI?

This really-validates ATSG's conservative approach of having more metal around, sooner-than-promised, for their primary cargo customer, so if something goes sideways there is a Plan B.

In any event, we're getting kind of fond of ATI's, "I used to fly for AA" livery. Actually looks kinda-snappy, and it's cheap and easy to create: all it takes is a couple of guys in TLV with a can of Battleship Grey and a paint roller to apply it over the green primer. Maybe that's what they're doing right now...

While we have you here, any word yet on who's gonna fly N521AZ and N563AZ?


I think this is something we may be seeing more of going forward. It's not a condemnation of any sorts, it's just that no matter what sort of 20 year guarantee that ATSG makes on their conversion, many of these 767s are well into "Ageing Aircraft" territory so there's a high likelihood that issues will pop up during heavy checks. I'm not doubting they can be fixed and the aircraft will return to faithful service, it's just these sorts of things will take more time.

On another CAM note, I saw a youtube spotter video of CAM's aircraft that was on Australia duty until not too long ago. I'd really like to know the story on that paintless patch on the starboard front near the cockpit. It really stands out.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:09 pm

anybody notice ATSG stock made some volatile moves today?

3% down ?

S&P 500 is slightly up, FDX and UPS also did not take a hit at all. So just wondering what caused this.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/%5EGSP ... c=fin-srch
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:47 pm

Earnings call this morning, most likely. Maybe financial results released last night. But I don't know what would have been expected to be higher. They did pretty-well.

I thought earnings call was positive. And they actually got gov't $$ to keep the folks at Omni and the pax-service folks (combi) at ATI employed. I think Zacks's focus on GAAP numbers, and failure to recognize the probable rebound in Omni business as countries open up just a smidge to not quarantine crews on the military flights, plus possible rebound in the commercial charter biz, should have a positive effect on those numbers that aren't covered by gov't replacement funds. I didn't personally find the Zacks thing to be very-well-thought-through, but that's just me. Perhaps Cowan and Stifel, who were on the call, will analyze all this differently. Or not; I'm not in their world.
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:08 am

Spacepope wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
FX1816 wrote:

Yes it is but early in the morning is not too bad but it is basically 95 miles door to door. It has the greatest view of any tower I've worked at.

Back to the topic: I wonder why they sent this one to VCV, other paint lines backed up? I know N1511A was a VCV a couple years ago but it's just white, I'd love to see Prime Air fresh out of the shop.


I, of course, don't know anything about the actual numbers of the cost, but my suspicion is that it was cheaper for Amazon to send it to IAC than Dean Baldwin. No actual information on the pricing, just the knowledge that Amazon is going to do things as efficiently as they can but at the best cost possible. It might also be, as wjcandee noted, so that they can do cockpit upgrades at ComAv and do it all in one place. I don't think this one is supposed to go into service with ATI until May, IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong), so there's not too much of a rush to get these things done at the moment


Well, it's not like VCV is busy with a parade of new 787s to paint anymore, they might just have more open slots.


Anyone know how many paint bays Dean Baldwin has in GUS?

DL has 3 lines of paint going on both in GUS and CWF right now, they may have taken up all of the slots.

Supoosedly MCN is getting a bunch of AMZL paint work once they get it up and running.
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Anyone have any information on SCX/Amazon plane N8059A ?? Its been at ATS in PAE for almost 3 months. Last I heard Boeing had to do some work on it. Did / Are they putting the plane back through a full conversion again?? Even a 737-800 in HVM does not take 3 months....??
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:34 pm

sunking737 wrote:
Anyone have any information on SCX/Amazon plane N8059A ?? Its been at ATS in PAE for almost 3 months. Last I heard Boeing had to do some work on it. Did / Are they putting the plane back through a full conversion again?? Even a 737-800 in HVM does not take 3 months....??


She's currently undergoing radical exploratory surgery along with experimental treatments. Might be back in mid-March.
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:38 pm

777Mech wrote:
Anyone know how many paint bays Dean Baldwin has in GUS?

DL has 3 lines of paint going on both in GUS and CWF right now, they may have taken up all of the slots.

Supoosedly MCN is getting a bunch of AMZL paint work once they get it up and running.


I certainly noticed the activity at CWF, and am glad to see it. Good for Landlocked. They say they have the facilities to do 4 simultaneous lines at CWF, but they may not have all their people back yet post-hurricane.

As to GUS, they can do between 4-6 aircraft at once, depending on size (2 "flex bays"). The Dean Baldwin web site lays it out in detail as follows:

"Description: 156,000 sq ft
Four to Six Bays:
Bay 1 – B737-800 / A321
Bay 2 – 1 B747-8 or 2 A321
Bay 3 – 1 B737-700 / A320
Bay 4 – 1 B767-400 or B757 and CRJ700"
Souce: https://www.deanbaldwinpainting.com/indiana

At MCN, they will only be able to do one 1 767-size aircraft at a time. Because they plan to do a lot of military work here, they call it a "C17/767-300" bay. The other 3 are smaller (C130/757/A321).

So if Amazon starts rolling them through MCN, that's probably half or more of the facility's 767 capacity for a couple of months (assuming completion at the Dean Baldwin standard of 2 weeks for a 763).
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:23 pm

Okay, time for a status update on all the new planes! Lots of Painting Musical Chairs recently, so here's the current skinny:

N381AN: Just flew to ROW for paint. This aircraft was converted in mid-2020, and ATI flew it as a spare/charter for like 3-4 months. IAI had rolled some grey on it, so it flew in a "I used to fly for AA" livery: all grey with the American Flag rudder untouched. Then, without painting it for Amazon it because of time pressure, CAM leased it to Amazon and ATI started flying it as part of the Amazon fleet on Jan 6 2021. As other aircraft are becoming available now, it is off today to ROW to be repainted in the Amazon livery. Will be N479AZ eventually.

N491AZ: Ready to go. Expected it to be flying already. This was N392AN. ATI flew it in the ex-AA livery from 11/30/20 after conversion. Then it went to paint at GUS 1/23-2/6/21. Been back at ILN since then.

N499AZ: Was already flying on the ATI certificate for Amazon, but needed Amazon paint. Now painted. Was N395AN. Back from conversion in December 2020. In service 1/24/21. Then sent to paint 2/6/21. Back 4 days ago, 2/23/21. Since it was already flying, should just go back into service.

N227AZ: Was (is?) planned for 3/29/21. Now painted. Was N388AA. Converted 8/20/20-1/18/21 at TLV. Was at ILN post-conversion 1/19-2/12/21. Paint at ROW 2/12/21-TODAY (2/27/21). The crew that dropped off N381AN appears to be planning to fly her back to ILN.

N376AN: This is a longtime ATI spare that is going now to be dry-leased to Amazon. Was planned for 3/16/21, but now probably delayed due to issues in C-check at VQQ. Still at VQQ. Word is that when N385AM comes back from TLV shortly, it will come with the ex-AA livery and fly like that for a while. Will be N317AZ.

N385AM: Did a test flight at TLV the other day, probably will come back soon. Although planned for August initially, apparently it is going to go into service sooner b/c N376AN is stuck in c-check. Will be N229AZ.

N503AZ: Amazon-owned. I'm expecting ATI to operate. Initially planned for a May in-service date. At VCV for paint since 2/22/21.

N521AZ: Amazon-owned. I don't know who will operate, or a planned in-service date. Went to TLV 2 weeks after N503AZ, but that doesn't mean it's coming out 2 weeks after that plane did. Logically could be coming out after N385AM...or not.

N393AN: In conversion at TLV since 9/25/20. Might or might not come out shortly. Will be N223AZ. Was planned for May.

N569AZ and N563AZ; Amazon-owned. 569 went to MEX on 5/28/20. Her sister, 563, went to MEX 5 days earlier, but I don't have much on her. N569AZ is expected to be operated by ATI. No word on 563. Both of these ships could pop out of MEX like tomorrow, or they could be there a couple more months. We'll just have to watch them.

Lots happening!!
 
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:37 pm

N381AN B763 ILN-ROW February 27, 2021 this morning for Amazon paint. The crew from N381AN may have brought back N227AZ / N388AA B763 ROW-ILN after it was painted, landing moments ago. I hope N385AM B763 makes it back stateside soon. cheers!
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:01 am

stretch8 wrote:
N381AN B763 ILN-ROW February 27, 2021 this morning for Amazon paint. The crew from N381AN may have brought back N227AZ / N388AA B763 ROW-ILN after it was painted, landing moments ago. I hope N385AM B763 makes it back stateside soon. cheers!


Me, too! Thanks, Stretch8!
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:09 am

She's in a test loop right now at TLV.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:04 pm

rudywilliams wrote:
She's in a test loop right now at TLV.


Thanks for the update! Hopefully two times is a charm!
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Okay, so N491AZ is officially in-service, painted and in its new number! About 5 days behind where originally-thought it would go into service, but in-service she is! Flying CVG-JFK as her first revenue flight as an Amazon-dry-leased aircraft. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N491AZ

This was N392AN, which ran for ATI during Peak in that ex-AA grey, including doing Aloha Cargo rotations. Then painted at GUS into Amazon Air livery, and now into service, operated by ATI.

I would think that next (back) into service would be N499AZ, which was already on the ATI certificate and operating for Amazon temporarily in an ex-AA livery, until recently-painted in Amazon Air livery.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:26 pm

Haven’t been able to confirm, but 491 is apparently painted in “Coming to America 2” livery.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm

I know N491AZ got a “special project” and that was part of the reason for the delay of service entry. I was thinking it would be something similar to the Jack Ryan plane so “Coming to America 2” makes sense. Can’t wait to see it! I wish Amazon would do more of these special liveries. They did a childhood cancer livery a while back. I really like them.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:24 pm

GoodRide wrote:
Haven’t been able to confirm, but 491 is apparently painted in “Coming to America 2” livery.


Looks like someone was able to snag a few pics at JFK: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL2ok_qsIiF ... gpignohszw
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:52 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
GoodRide wrote:
Haven’t been able to confirm, but 491 is apparently painted in “Coming to America 2” livery.


Looks like someone was able to snag a few pics at JFK: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL2ok_qsIiF ... gpignohszw


And he has some cool pics on his Instagram from flying the Combi to Thule and Ascension Island recently. I love the NAV map he shows. Middle of Nowhere, man!
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:50 am

Looks like N385AM B763 back on for SNN-CVG-ILN March 2, 2021. If so, Than TLV-SNN most likely March 1, 2021 - fingers crossed. Can't wait to see N491AZ B763 in "Back to America" colors. cheers!
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:20 pm

N385AM B763 left TLV-SNN as "positioning flight", arriving about 1000L. Looks like March 2, 2021 departure SNN-CVG arriving 1155L, then to ILN after clearing customs. cheers!
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:22 pm

What's the story with what looks like N738AX (or 736) being trucked from ILN to FFO (WPAFB) as some sort of medical trainer?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3821121 ... 2753778428
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:41 pm

It's a little hard to read in the photo, but that's N798AX.

She was ex-ANA (del June 1986), Line Number 143. Was converted to freighter and ran for ABX for nearly 15 years after retiring from ANA. ABX ran her right to the Limit of Validity (50,000 cycles) in Peak 2019, and parked her on December 27, 2019.

They had just repainted her about 9 months earlier, which is doubtless why she cleaned up so nicely for this trip.

Apparently, they hired an alien to drive her over to the air force base.

Don't know much more than that.

Glad to see she found something to do with herself!
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:44 pm

wjcandee wrote:
It's a little hard to read in the photo, but that's N798AX.

She was ex-ANA (del June 1986), Line Number 143. Was converted to freighter and ran for ABX for nearly 15 years after retiring from ANA. ABX ran her right to the Limit of Validity (50,000 cycles) in Peak 2019, and parked her on December 27, 2019.

They had just repainted her about 9 months earlier, which is doubtless why she cleaned up so nicely for this trip.

Apparently, they hired an alien to drive her over to the air force base.

Don't know much more than that.

Glad to see she found something to do with herself!


It seems kinda insane to truck this, instead of just getting a ferry permit or something to fly it the short hop over to WPAFB. That also assumes it was literally at 50,000 cycles and didn't have one to spare..
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:46 pm

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GoodRide wrote:
Haven’t been able to confirm, but 491 is apparently painted in “Coming to America 2” livery.


Looks like someone was able to snag a few pics at JFK: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL2ok_qsIiF ... gpignohszw


Interesting strategy on Amazon's part. It just seems that that'd require another repaint down the road a bit, and since this doesn't park at passenger gates it'll get limited viewing...

But eh, someone in the Amazon Movie market had money to burn, and given Hollywood accounting this probably was the best way to do it..
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:42 pm

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wjcandee wrote:
It's a little hard to read in the photo, but that's N798AX.

She was ex-ANA (del June 1986), Line Number 143. Was converted to freighter and ran for ABX for nearly 15 years after retiring from ANA. ABX ran her right to the Limit of Validity (50,000 cycles) in Peak 2019, and parked her on December 27, 2019.

They had just repainted her about 9 months earlier, which is doubtless why she cleaned up so nicely for this trip.

Apparently, they hired an alien to drive her over to the air force base.

Don't know much more than that.

Glad to see she found something to do with herself!


It seems kinda insane to truck this, instead of just getting a ferry permit or something to fly it the short hop over to WPAFB. That also assumes it was literally at 50,000 cycles and didn't have one to spare..


I don't know that it was at 50K exactly and even if it was, a ferry permit could have been possible still, I think. However, I doubt that she still had engines, and the amount of work necessary to fly her there must have militated in favor of driving. One thing ATSG doesn't do is waste even a nickel. Besides, this way they could have the alien drive.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:46 pm

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Interesting strategy on Amazon's part. It just seems that that'd require another repaint down the road a bit, and since this doesn't park at passenger gates it'll get limited viewing...

But eh, someone in the Amazon Movie market had money to burn, and given Hollywood accounting this probably was the best way to do it..


Think of it as a mobile billboard. A lot of people see a lot of parked planes. Anybody who flew into LGA for many years noticed the parked Trump plane(s) at one point or another. That FedEx DC10 that used to park (maybe still does) all day right by the Turnpike near EWR is a huge marketing/branding thing for FedEx, seen by hundreds of thousands of folks weekly, with multiple impressions per viewer.

And in places outside of ever-so-jaded NYC, LA and such, little differences like this do draw attention.

But as you say, somebody certainly made the calculation that it was a good investment.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:16 pm

I’m pretty sure that it’s just a decal and not an actual paint job. But I could be wrong and hopefully someone corrects me. I do remember someone discussing the child cancer decals a few years ago were already peeling off shortly after they got put on. Didn’t hear much about the Jack Ryan one though.


USAirKid wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
GoodRide wrote:
Haven’t been able to confirm, but 491 is apparently painted in “Coming to America 2” livery.


Looks like someone was able to snag a few pics at JFK: https://www.instagram.com/p/CL2ok_qsIiF ... gpignohszw


Interesting strategy on Amazon's part. It just seems that that'd require another repaint down the road a bit, and since this doesn't park at passenger gates it'll get limited viewing...

But eh, someone in the Amazon Movie market had money to burn, and given Hollywood accounting this probably was the best way to do it..
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:22 am

It’s a decal and it’s the third amazon bird to get special branding for a period of time. Go Gold, Jack Ryan, Eddie Murphy. FedEx should do a Pfizer one with all the branding they are trying to squeeze out of that project. Who knows what Amazon will unveil when they get to third party shipping.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:26 pm

N397AN, which has been parked at ROW since 3/30/20, is now on its way to ILN as we speak, presumably for conversion, presumably (but not definitely) for Amazon. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N39 ... /KROW/KILN

Believe it or not, this is the second-to-last of the 20 not-then-yet-retired American 767-300s that ATSG optioned from Jetran in December 2018. So in less than 2 years, ATSG has bought all but one of them, and will certainly take all 20. The other 8 that had not been retired at that time were taken by Jetran, too, and all-but-one resold to DHL, who will presumably take the 8th. Twenty-eight aircraft in 2 years. Remarkable.
 
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:39 pm

N397AN B763 ROW-ILN arrived yesterday, early evening. N385AM B763 SNN-CVG-ILN also arrived early afternoon, yesterday. cheers!
 
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:31 pm

Seems like for my orders to my grandfather in Puerto Rico, Amazon Air/USPS now seems to be the norm for most orders. However, in Puerto Rico Amazon drops off packages at the USPS Cataño PR Distribution Center, not at the local DDU.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:46 am



The special Eddie Murphy livery has been added to the database
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:23 pm

N798AX ex-ABX Air B762 arrived via flat-bed tractor trailer from ILN at FFO late yesterday afternoon, March 3, 2021. 30+ miles & 3 days on road. FFO = Wright-Patterson AFB. cheers!
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:37 pm

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N798AX ex-ABX Air B762 arrived via flat-bed tractor trailer from ILN at FFO late yesterday afternoon, March 3, 2021. 30+ miles & 3 days on road. FFO = Wright-Patterson AFB. cheers!


Why wouldn't they just do the journey in one day? Seems odd, maybe permit related? It's not a long distance at all, and I figure that it probably puts more stress on the truck for the fuselage to be on there for such a long duration of time
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:01 pm

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stretch8 wrote:
N798AX ex-ABX Air B762 arrived via flat-bed tractor trailer from ILN at FFO late yesterday afternoon, March 3, 2021. 30+ miles & 3 days on road. FFO = Wright-Patterson AFB. cheers!


Why wouldn't they just do the journey in one day? Seems odd, maybe permit related? It's not a long distance at all, and I figure that it probably puts more stress on the truck for the fuselage to be on there for such a long duration of time


With all the valuable bits that CAM probably wanted off of the aircraft, and the absolute security and permitting nightmare it would be to do that on an active AFB ramp, this was probably the least hassle and the cheaper option.

Plus the truck is employed doing what it's made to do, and the airframe is never flying again so stresses really aren't an issue.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:49 pm

Meanwhile, in Albuquerque, the AMZL delivery station has been open since January. The fulfillment center is almost finished and Amazon has broke ground on a new Sortation Center adjacent to the FC.

I wonder, could ABQ be an eventual Amazon Air station? Some have suggested AEG (Double Eagle II), but does it really have the infrastructure to handle such a cargo operation?
 
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:48 am

1337Delta764 wrote:
Meanwhile, in Albuquerque, the AMZL delivery station has been open since January. The fulfillment center is almost finished and Amazon has broke ground on a new Sortation Center adjacent to the FC.

I wonder, could ABQ be an eventual Amazon Air station? Some have suggested AEG (Double Eagle II), but does it really have the infrastructure to handle such a cargo operation?


Once CVG hub opens up there’s a possibility and if they don’t have the infrastructure I’m sure Amazon will make it happen.
 
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Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:07 pm

Also, I'm not sure if those on the Albuquerque West Mesa would like the noise from an Amazon Air cargo operation.
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:43 am

N397AN B763 should be departing ILN-SNN tonite, originally scheduled 1810L, but is still on ground at 1930L. cheers!
 
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stretch8 wrote:
N397AN B763 should be departing ILN-SNN tonite, originally scheduled 1810L, but is still on ground at 1930L. cheers!


And she finally got off at 2006L, and she's well over Canada already. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N39 ... /KILN/EINN
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:34 pm

N397AN B763 SNN-TLV today, landing some 4+ hours ago. cheers!

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