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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:41 am

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MajMattMason wrote:
569 has been a bit of a mystery. Thought it was supposed to be online Aug. Not sure what the issue is there.


Yeah, 569AZ has been at MEX for 11 months. Plainly, it's not going through the process at the same speed as others. Whether it has to do with whatever engineers/consultants Amazon is using to shepherd it through (as opposed to the greased wheels of CAM), or whether they're just not in a hurry, I don't know. I do know that they didn't have uber-specific plans for each aircraft when Amazon bought them, which is why they had the flexibility to send two to Cargojet to operate in Canada. I do note that 563AZ (now C-GAZF) took 10 months to be completed in MEX. Hard to know precisely-why. One possibility of course is also possibly Covid and the ability for MexicanaMRO to staff fully. With most of Israel fully-vaccinated, the Covid situation at IAI in TLV is very different than at their contract vendor at MEX.

Small World note: the guy (company, actually) that Cargojet used to manage the couple of conversions that it did "itself" through IAI was Tarpley, the guy who is part of the Mammoth Aviation lawsuit and purports to have all this conversion knowledge. It appears that he was employed by CAM for a long time in a role that involved interfacing with the conversion vendors, and after he left CAM, he set up a company to help others manage their own conversions. That's why he and the other Mammoth guy, who is an engineer, decided to join forces to try to do their own 777 conversion. (Tarpley was the "conversion expertise" guy, while the other guy was the "engineering expertise" guy.) The third guy involved, who is a defendant in their lawsuit, was a finance guy who walked away to start his own 777 conversion when they weren't willing to give him a third of the company to arrange the financing, and when they kind of downplayed his importance. He then kind of got the drop on them by lining up financing and associating with Wichita State as his engineering source and announcing his conversion. Now that the lawsuit is going hammer and tong, the Mammoth guys finally put up a web site and claim to have financing and to be moving forward fast enough to have a certified, flying, deliverable 777 freighter within 2 years from now. (We'll see.)


Thank you for all the information on the Seqouia & Mammoth setups. There is such a ton of perfectly setup 77Ws out there that I can't see just IAI running it alone. Shall be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:59 am

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Thank you for all the information on the Seqouia & Mammoth setups. There is such a ton of perfectly setup 77Ws out there that I can't see just IAI running it alone. Shall be interesting to see how this plays out.


Agreed there's room for more than one. It's just interesting that any owner of a substantial Fleet, or any Leasing Company, would want to bet on a completely unknown company or two, rather than associating with an experienced existing conversion house with an existing cargo door design, like AEI, or for that matter Boeing. I understand that everybody has to start somewhere, but on one of the biggest and most complicated freighter conversion projects in decades?
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:22 am

wjcandee wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Thank you for all the information on the Seqouia & Mammoth setups. There is such a ton of perfectly setup 77Ws out there that I can't see just IAI running it alone. Shall be interesting to see how this plays out.


Agreed there's room for more than one. It's just interesting that any owner of a substantial Fleet, or any Leasing Company, would want to bet on a completely unknown company or two, rather than associating with an experienced existing conversion house with an existing cargo door design, like AEI, or for that matter Boeing. I understand that everybody has to start somewhere, but on one of the biggest and most complicated freighter conversion projects in decades?


Completely agree on the thought process but you have to start somewhere. If we are going to jump in the pool, why not focus on the conversion gold standard for the world's widebody fleet?!?! I don't wish to take us too far off track but....IF we were buying converted 77Ws and you had to choose...Are you going with Seqouia or Mammoth?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:23 pm

N241AZ B763 ex N391AA departed CVG-ROW as ATN241 for paint, after canx this morning. cheers!
 
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:08 am

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N241AZ B763 ex N391AA departed CVG-ROW as ATN241 for paint, after canx this morning. cheers!


Looks like ATI ran it over the weekend in revenue runs as N241AZ before sending it to paint on Monday.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 pm

wjcandee wrote:
ATSG continues to move their acquired 767-300s through pre-conversion maintenance in the US, including some interesting developments.

Most interesting involves one fo the DL birds. As you know, ATSG over-the-summer bought 152DL, 154DL, 155DL and 156DL, among others. 152 has been at ILN about 2 months and is probably next to go to TLV. 155 was parled at MZJ and 156 was parked at SBD with 155. Interesting move: Instead of going to ILN or TPA for pre-conversion work, 154 has now flown to ATL. It's still registered to Cargo Aircraft Management ("CAM", the ATSG leasing company). Perhaps DL will do some contract work on it for ATSG? (Perhaps there's some conformity issue that DL can best straighten out in its own facilities?) Interesting, anyway. DL and ATSG have a long symbiotic relationship with it comes to maintenance, with DL doing a lot of engine work for ATSG, and ATSG doing a lot of airframe-type work for DL.

The other interesting development is that N900UD is going from MZJ to ILN today to get in line to go over to TLV. That's interesting because it has PW4000s, one of two (with N898CU) ex-Air Canada 763s that ATSG recently bought with PW4000s. (There are several in the fleet with that engine already, 3 at ABX and a few leased out.)


I still scratch my head they are sending their oldest 767 through heavy checks and sold their newest 767’s.
 
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:21 pm

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I still scratch my head they are sending their oldest 767 through heavy checks and sold their newest 767’s.

Most of the 767s are on the way out, makes sense to sell the newer ones that are worth far more first. They'll operate the small Premium Select subfleet for the low demand TATL routes for the foreseeable future. Such routes will be low on cycles, thus older frames are sufficient.
 
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:11 am

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I still scratch my head they are sending their oldest 767 through heavy checks and sold their newest 767’s.


Didn't we decide that the newer ones that were sold were part of a weird subfleet?
 
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:46 am

wjcandee wrote:
dl757nyc wrote:

I still scratch my head they are sending their oldest 767 through heavy checks and sold their newest 767’s.


Didn't we decide that the newer ones that were sold were part of a weird subfleet?


Or were we talking about Air Canada?
 
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:09 am

wjcandee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
dl757nyc wrote:

I still scratch my head they are sending their oldest 767 through heavy checks and sold their newest 767’s.


Didn't we decide that the newer ones that were sold were part of a weird subfleet?


Or were we talking about Air Canada?


It was a DL subfleet.
 
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:17 am

jbs2886 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

Didn't we decide that the newer ones that were sold were part of a weird subfleet?


Or were we talking about Air Canada?


It was a DL subfleet.


Right, no, I realize that. What I was asking was whether the poster was talking about Air Canada keeping its older 767s and selling its younger ones, or was this the same discussion that we've had before about the DL 767 fleet decisions, which are explainable and make sense. But since he said "Premium Select", which is a DL product, I realize that it must be the latter question, which we have previously answered. And since AC has already unloaded all its 767s, that answers my question, which is looking pretty-dumb at this point. I just didn't want to assume something and look like a douche for telling the guy we had already discussed it on here.

Since we're the Nice Thread! :D :D But I should have engaged my brain first.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:37 am

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Since we're the Nice Thread! :D :D But I should have engaged my brain first.


Outside of the military threads, the freighter threads are quite adult and reasonable compared to the food fights on so many threads. Yes, the Nice threads.

It's interesting how more facts are brought forth and good discussions, without drama. Thanks to everyone
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:36 am

Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:12 am

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Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.


Good catch! I guess the limited fuselage space forward of the wing and aft of the cockpit leads to the tiny lettering. Looks sorta wimpy, but I guess that's all they could do.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:12 am

Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted


I thought Prime Air was reserved for the drone delivery service, and the hub to hub stuff was now called Amazon Air. I get why the 767s and 737s were painted Prime Air, but why not fix this with the ATRs?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:57 am

wjcandee wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.


Good catch! I guess the limited fuselage space forward of the wing and aft of the cockpit leads to the tiny lettering. Looks sorta wimpy, but I guess that's all they could do.

I'm more disappointed by the livery as a whole. I'm assuming and hoping it's just some quick and temporary decals.
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:16 am

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I thought Prime Air was reserved for the drone delivery service, and the hub to hub stuff was now called Amazon Air. I get why the 767s and 737s were painted Prime Air, but why not fix this with the ATRs?


You are correct that Prime Air is technically the drones, and the organic air service is a division called Amazon Global Air, which is shortened to Amazon Air. However, the planes all say Prime Air on them, because that's how they chose to brand/livery the planes. Prime is the brand that they want to put in front of the public. Global Air is just an internal organization that nobody who isn't an enthusiast, contractor, vendor, employee, etc., really knows about.

I know it's not necessarily logical, but that's how they've chosen to do it.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:36 pm

wjcandee wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
I thought Prime Air was reserved for the drone delivery service, and the hub to hub stuff was now called Amazon Air. I get why the 767s and 737s were painted Prime Air, but why not fix this with the ATRs?


You are correct that Prime Air is technically the drones, and the organic air service is a division called Amazon Global Air, which is shortened to Amazon Air. However, the planes all say Prime Air on them, because that's how they chose to brand/livery the planes. Prime is the brand that they want to put in front of the public. Global Air is just an internal organization that nobody who isn't an enthusiast, contractor, vendor, employee, etc., really knows about.

I know it's not necessarily logical, but that's how they've chosen to do it.

Is drone delivery even a thing anymore? A few years it was a hot topic in the Media. I don't recall seeing much on it recently. I have a lot of questions on the feasibility of drones but that is a topic for another thread.

Edit: Fingers faster than the brain.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:49 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted


I thought Prime Air was reserved for the drone delivery service, and the hub to hub stuff was now called Amazon Air. I get why the 767s and 737s were painted Prime Air, but why not fix this with the ATRs?


Oooh... maybe they are setting this up for optionally piloted freighters *takes tinfoil hat off*

It's not like the average person is going to notice these freighters at the airport let alone be concerned with the branding. That's just for us nerds.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:43 pm

N154DL CAM B763 routed ATL-ILN today, arriving late morning. This the triple landing gear change? cheers!
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:42 pm

I think this is on topic. Res Drones. Where I live there are thousands of people living on the waterfront with a driveway dropping 300 feet in elevation. I could easily see a drone flying the driveway and putting the package in an approved carport type structure.
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:49 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted


Anyone else surprised that they didn't give it a full freighter conversion (window plugs, freight door, etc.)?
 
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Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:04 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted


Anyone else surprised that they didn't give it a full freighter conversion (window plugs, freight door, etc.)?


That is IPR Conversion's BFC package (Bulk Freighter Cargo). The Large Cargo Door is a separate STC.

https://iprconversions.com/atr-structural-tube/

Since it looks like an economy paint job, I'm not surprised about anything.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:09 pm

MO11 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Scramble has a pic of the first Silver ATR in Amazon colors.

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/1st- ... 2f-spotted


Anyone else surprised that they didn't give it a full freighter conversion (window plugs, freight door, etc.)?


That is IPR Conversion's BFC package (Bulk Freighter Cargo). The Large Cargo Door is a separate STC.

https://iprconversions.com/atr-structural-tube/

Since it looks like an economy paint job, I'm not surprised about anything.


It looks like cargo sidewalls inside the windows.

I’m most surprised they painted the lettering right over the windows though.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 pm

N241AZ ATI B763 ex N391AA returned to ILN from ROW, after paint into AZ colors, late this afternoon. cheers!
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:29 pm

N1619A (which has been running DHL lately) ferried to Opa-Locka today. Even lower-cost maintenance?
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:39 am

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N1619A (which has been running DHL lately) ferried to Opa-Locka today. Even lower-cost maintenance?


I'm assuming that it's going to Xtreme Aviation. They're certified to work on 767s, but I can't think of anyone who has used them, although I guess there must be.

Atlas has been using Flightstar at VQQ on the 767s basically since Premier shut down its NY facility. Interesting to see how this ends up going.

This is gonna be a c-check; Atlas's maint program seems to put them in the shop around every 18 months, and the last hmv on this frame was 2/22-3/17/20. So it's time.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:22 am

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
N1619A (which has been running DHL lately) ferried to Opa-Locka today. Even lower-cost maintenance?


I'm assuming that it's going to Xtreme Aviation. They're certified to work on 767s, but I can't think of anyone who has used them, although I guess there must be.



Eastern.
 
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Eastern.


There you go. Oy. I guess we'll see.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:11 am

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MO11 wrote:
Eastern.


There you go. Oy. I guess we'll see.


We see heavy-ish Mx as a bottleneck lately. Perhaps Atlas is in a “whoever can get the job done” mindset.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:05 am

You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up. We see the schedule changes at CVG, but oddly I haven't seen any video stories showing packages moving through the site, or newspaper articles with photos of the thing running. I don't have a sense of what if anything DHL is still doing for Amazon at CVG. I suspect that Amazon was smart enough to ramp it up in phases, not just cut over to it over a weekend. (Ahem. DHL/AStar/ABX) But I'm really in the dark. Anybody see anything interesting about it other than the simple announcement?
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:09 am

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Eastern.


There you go. Oy. I guess we'll see.


We see heavy-ish Mx as a bottleneck lately. Perhaps Atlas is in a “whoever can get the job done” mindset.


That's certainly a possibility. But of course the more you spread the work around, the more reps you need in order to have one or more at each shop. And the quality of the work is very-often a function of who the rep is, and they're not all equally-good. So it becomes a management issue. Hardly-insurmountable, but another hole potentially punched in the swiss cheese, at least as to reliability.

The general public doesn't necessarily think of aircraft maintenance as being the kind of people and relationships business that it actually is.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:26 pm

wjcandee wrote:
You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up….


https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:33 pm

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N557CM, N605DL, and N620DL were all sold on July 21 and placed in a trust (usually, if it's Bank of Utah, it's not something suspicious).



And now N531UA was sold October 1 and placed in trust; probably same buyer.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:04 pm

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That's certainly a possibility. But of course the more you spread the work around, the more reps you need in order to have one or more at each shop. And the quality of the work is very-often a function of who the rep is, and they're not all equally-good. So it becomes a management issue. Hardly-insurmountable, but another hole potentially punched in the swiss cheese, at least as to reliability.

The general public doesn't necessarily think of aircraft maintenance as being the kind of people and relationships business that it actually is.


I was going through the SDRs on this aircraft yesterday. Pretty dang young both hours and cycles wise (76000/14500-ish) but it had a spate of recorded work in June, enough so I thought for a second it had had a heavy check back then.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:40 pm

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I was going through the SDRs on this aircraft yesterday. Pretty dang young both hours and cycles wise (76000/14500-ish) but it had a spate of recorded work in June, enough so I thought for a second it had had a heavy check back then.


It had a 4-day stop in Miami in June, then a stop in Mexico City during the first 3 weeks of August.....
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:09 pm

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I was going through the SDRs on this aircraft yesterday. Pretty dang young both hours and cycles wise (76000/14500-ish) but it had a spate of recorded work in June, enough so I thought for a second it had had a heavy check back then.


MO11 mentioned it was in MIA for a few days in June, apparently for some work. Atlas is super-meticulous about their SDRs, so I'm not surprised that if they worked on it then, they documented it thoroughly in the SDRs.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:12 pm

MajMattMason wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up….


https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.


THANK YOU!! Very interesting. Drive robots, Robin arms -- very cool! Interesting that they're seeing 7 planes now and up to a dozen by December. So, like I expected, the place is ramping up VERY-slowly. In the photos, it looks positively-empty! The thing is cavernous and massive; evidently it's all built-out, but the ramp-up is going to be very-deliberate. Can't wait to see what it's doing a year from now.

I do recall reading somewhere that all these technologies have been installed and worked with in at least a couple of the regional hubs, so they're not starting from scratch. ILN is not one of those, apparently.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:59 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MajMattMason wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up….


https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.


THANK YOU!! Very interesting. Drive robots, Robin arms -- very cool! Interesting that they're seeing 7 planes now and up to a dozen by December. So, like I expected, the place is ramping up VERY-slowly. In the photos, it looks positively-empty! The thing is cavernous and massive; evidently it's all built-out, but the ramp-up is going to be very-deliberate. Can't wait to see what it's doing a year from now.

I do recall reading somewhere that all these technologies have been installed and worked with in at least a couple of the regional hubs, so they're not starting from scratch. ILN is not one of those, apparently.


The thing I'm really curious about is the drive unit robots, does anyone have video of those in action? It kinda seems like they'd be significantly less efficient than just a conveyor belt based system..
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:35 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MajMattMason wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up….


https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.


THANK YOU!! Very interesting. Drive robots, Robin arms -- very cool! Interesting that they're seeing 7 planes now and up to a dozen by December. So, like I expected, the place is ramping up VERY-slowly. In the photos, it looks positively-empty! The thing is cavernous and massive; evidently it's all built-out, but the ramp-up is going to be very-deliberate. Can't wait to see what it's doing a year from now.

I do recall reading somewhere that all these technologies have been installed and worked with in at least a couple of the regional hubs, so they're not starting from scratch. ILN is not one of those, apparently.


Similar sort systems are used at LAL and AFW I believe.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:57 pm

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Similar sort systems are used at LAL and AFW I believe.


Thank you! That makes sense.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:17 am

USAirKid wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
MajMattMason wrote:

https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.


THANK YOU!! Very interesting. Drive robots, Robin arms -- very cool! Interesting that they're seeing 7 planes now and up to a dozen by December. So, like I expected, the place is ramping up VERY-slowly. In the photos, it looks positively-empty! The thing is cavernous and massive; evidently it's all built-out, but the ramp-up is going to be very-deliberate. Can't wait to see what it's doing a year from now.

I do recall reading somewhere that all these technologies have been installed and worked with in at least a couple of the regional hubs, so they're not starting from scratch. ILN is not one of those, apparently.


The thing I'm really curious about is the drive unit robots, does anyone have video of those in action? It kinda seems like they'd be significantly less efficient than just a conveyor belt based system..


The Kiva robots supplement the greater system of conveyor belts and slides. They aren’t the only tech employed, but they are nifty.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/amazon-introd ... use-robots
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:38 pm

MajMattMason wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
You know, folks, I really haven't seen any big articles anywhere about how the new Amazon air hub is ramping up….


https://www.cincinnati.com/picture-gall ... 353383002/

This is the latest article I’ve seen. A bit of a puff piece, but it has some pictures.


The plant is reported to eventually have the capacity of moving a million packages a day. According to a Forbes article they now move 2.5 billion a year in the US, but could hit 6.5 billion next year. If all this is true then Cincinnati could be dealing with about 5% of the deliverines. But I may be mixing apples and oranges. The Forbes article discusses the implications of Amazon's huge capacity to move things. Anyone have a handle on this?

ps - the short Forbes article has a lot of data, I am assuming that it is correct. (?)
 
MO11
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:38 pm

CAM transferred N241AZ to Amazon yesterday (Tuesday).
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:25 pm

MO11 wrote:
CAM transferred N241AZ to Amazon yesterday (Tuesday).


She has been back from paint for a week, so good to hear that she should be in service shortly.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:13 pm

N898CU is scheduled to ferry MZJ-ILN today. This is one of the former Rouge 763's with PW4000s. We'll see where it goes from here. Sister ship N900UD still sits at ILN
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:29 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
N898CU is scheduled to ferry MZJ-ILN today. This is one of the former Rouge 763's with PW4000s. We'll see where it goes from here. Sister ship N900UD still sits at ILN


Interesting. MO11 pointed out a while back that CAM bought it on 7/1/21. So it's 5th in line to go over to TLV from ILN. Seems like we should be getting some movement over and back pretty soon.

And it looks like it's just about to arrive!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:14 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
N1619A (which has been running DHL lately) ferried to Opa-Locka today. Even lower-cost maintenance?


I'm assuming that it's going to Xtreme Aviation. They're certified to work on 767s, but I can't think of anyone who has used them, although I guess there must be.

Atlas has been using Flightstar at VQQ on the 767s basically since Premier shut down its NY facility. Interesting to see how this ends up going.

This is gonna be a c-check; Atlas's maint program seems to put them in the shop around every 18 months, and the last hmv on this frame was 2/22-3/17/20. So it's time.


Extreme Aviation.

We used them to do a C-Check on HP-3310 and now they are working the line alongside our MX personnel at MIA.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:39 am

N898CU CAM B763 arrived at ILN from MZJ early this evening. N241AZ AZ B763 operated her inaug flight ILN-SEA early this morning, & returned today early evening SEA-ILN. cheers!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2021

Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:25 pm

Bloomberg recently published Amazon Delivery Partners Rage Against the Machines: ‘We Were Treated Like Robots’.

It's fascinating how much control Amazon has over their DSPs, down to being able to fire employees. There also is a fair bit of discussion from how things are managed algorithmically from Seattle.

I find this fascinating that Amazon has essentially adopted the FedEx Ground model, although they periodically remove FedEx Ground from seller fulfilled prime. (Not that I blame them, I had a Kroger package from Cincinnati, Ohio to Seattle, Washington that went via FedEx Ground. FedEx originally said it'd be delivered on Thursday, then they said it would be Friday. It finally arrived on Tuesday. To top it off, the tracking and promised delivery date was really mediocre.)

I'm curious if Amazon would ever consider the model that the US3 have considered: owning a few of the DSPs, both as a learning and bargaining tool. (DL owns Endeavor Air. AA owns Piedmont, Envoy, and PSA. UA's situation on this is weird and murky given their contract with their FAs.) Besides air and truck transportation Amazon runs their own operation with their own employees, this means they get both feedback on the operation as well as the ability to promote within, which gives them people that understand the operation. Amazon is a good at managing vendors, but I'd suggest some of their best vendors are the ones that already were in and understand their businesses.

Anecdotally in Seattle, I've seen fewer packages fulfilled by Amazon in the last mile. They seem to be leaning on UPS and USPS a bit more than in the past, I'm wondering if this is due to capacity issues in with DSPs and Flex.

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